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10 Item Survival Checklist For The Coming Economic Collapse

 
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Most Americans have become so incredibly spoiled that they have NO idea how to survive if they suddenly couldn't run down to Wal-Mart and fill up their shopping carts. The truth is that whether it is a complete economic collapse (which becomes more of a possibility by the day) or whether it is another natural disaster like Hurricane Katrina or whether it is a bird flu emergency, we are moving into times when we are likely going to need to learn how to survive.

The following is a list of 10 key items that you will want to make sure that you and your family have in case you are faced with a survival situation.....

#1) Storable Food

Most Americans cannot conceive of a world where you can't just run out to McDonald's or to the supermarket and get all the food you want. However, when the economy collapses, you and your family are going to need food. Even if you plan to grow food you better have a substantial amount of storable food put away.

#2) Clean Water

Most people could make it for a number of weeks without food, but without water you will die in a matter of days. You and your family are going to need clean water. Is there an abundant supply of water near your home? Will you be able to boil water if you need to? Without clean water you just are not going to survive for long.

#3) Shelter

What would you do if you lost your home or you were forced from your home? You and your family will need a warm place to sleep. Make sure you aren't just relying on the power company to keep your home warm in the winter. If you need firewood, start chopping now. In addition, always make sure you have a backup plan if you have to leave where you are at. Do you have family you can move in with if necessary? Do you have a tent that you could set up in the woods?

#4) Warm Clothing

This is especially important if you live in a colder climate. You are your family need to prepare as if you would not be able to depend on the power company. Store up clothing as if you would have to make it without heat if necessary. Always make sure to have plenty of blankets as well. Already there have been recent news stories of people freezing to death inside their own homes after having their heat turned off. Don't let that be you.

#5) Communication

This is especially important if you live in an isolated area. Always have a way to communicate with the outside world. Whether it is an emergency cell phone or something else, if you are able to call an ambulance in a timely manner it might save your life. Also, you are going to want a way to be in contact with your family and close friends. It is those who are willing to work together that will have the best chance of making it.

#6) Lighters Or Matches

There may come a day when you need to start a fire in order to cook food or to boil water or to stay warm. When that day comes, do you really want to try rubbing sticks together to start a fire? Of course not. Now is the time to put away a supply of lighters or matches so that you will be prepared when you really need them.

#7) Comfortable Shoes

This is an item that not a lot of people think of when it comes to survival. But someday people either won't have cars or won't be able to depend on them. So what will you do then? When the economy collapses, a whole lot of people are going to have to do a whole lot of walking. Make certain to have some shoes on hand that will be comfortable.

#8) Flashlight And Plenty Of Extra Batteries

Just think about what happens when the power goes out now. What quickly becomes one of the most important items? A flashlight. Without a flashlight, you won't be able to do much of anything after the sun goes down. Also, make sure you have plenty of extra batteries, because in a prolonged crisis your flashlight will be of little help without batteries.

#9) A Battery-Powered Radio

In a crisis situation, you will want to know what is going on in the world around you. A battery-powered radio can be a great source of information. You can even get a wind-up radio in some stores that doesn't require batteries at all. Now, you can certainly survive without a radio, but you are your family will feel much better if you have some way of keeping track of what is going on out there.

#10) Sanitation Supplies And A First Aid Kit

What would you do without toilet paper? What if you had to go without soap or shampoo for several days? You get the idea. Things can get messy and smelly fast. Make sure that you and your family have plenty of sanitation supplies on hand. In addition, make sure that you have first aid supplies so that you can treat any injuries that occur.

Lastly, always have a backup plan for everything. When you are out there surviving on your own and things don't go according to plan, what are you going to do?

Have a plan.

The reality is that times are only going to get harder and people WILL want to start heading for the hills. Do your research and find out what you are getting yourself and your family into.

Those who are well prepared will have the best chance to make it during the times to come.

[link to shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com]
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I have all that and more in a backpack if I should ever have to bugout.
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)
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and why do you think you will be successful?>?

you think the people that have the foresight to have ALL TEN are just going to let you take what you want>?

when it gets REALLY bad we will hunt down scum like you and shoot them like dogs in the street...
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)



and why do you think you will be successful?>?

you think the people that have the foresight to have ALL TEN are just going to let you take what you want>?

when it gets REALLY bad we will hunt down scum like you and shoot them like dogs in the street...
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It sounds like some people are ready for war already.
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)
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I know youre joking, but

I have lived through a catastrophe where people had no outside assistance, no electricity, no food from the outside, little to no water, and extremely limited resources for many months.

MOST of the people came together for the common good. The few that became criminals were the ones who being being hunted down and their 'asses capped'.



In a severe national or global TEOTWAWKI scenario, there will be a criminal class that comes out of the woodwork and causes trouble early-on, but they will die, be killed off, or assimilated fairly quickly as stronger and stronger communities form.

Long-term you would see small communities form where people work towards the common good and conduct inter-community trading and assistance.
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)
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How? You think the prepared people also don't have guns?

Unfortunately the easy targets will suffer the most: Single moms with kids, the elderly that are alone. Single people.
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This is a blog from a guy who lives in Argentina, a country that used to be middle class but suffered a currency collapse in 2001 and never recovered.

Read some of the first hand accounts he posts there.

[link to ferfal.blogspot.com]

Ferfal's posts from Argentina describing his experiences since their economic crash there have been enlightening and very helpful for those of us who care and want to be prepared.


Here is another EXCELLENT thread by him which has been pinned at frugalsquirrels forum:
[link to www.frugalsquirrels.com]
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Here are some other survival info links and random info that may be of interest and help you brainstrom things that might be of interest/need to you:

[link to www.ebookee.com]

[link to www.survival-center.com]

[link to www.ki4u.com]

[link to practicalpreps.com]

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

[link to www.i4at.org]

[link to readync.org]

[link to www.monolithic.com]

[link to www.timebomb2000.com]






Ratio of Clorox Bleach to Water for Purification :

2 drops of Regular Clorox Bleach per quart of water
8 drops of Regular Clorox Bleach per gallon of water
1/2 teaspoon Regular Clorox Bleach per five gallons of water
If water is cloudy, double the recommended dosages of Clorox Bleach.

Only use Regular Clorox Bleach (not Fresh Scent or Lemon Fresh). To insure that Clorox Bleach is at its full strength, rotate or replace your storage bottle minimally every three months.











BASIC SURVIVAL ITEM LIST

I took the time to write this so it may remind your of some BASIC survival things you may have or things you might have forgot or never noticed. Please do not let this thread go to the bottom as I feel it is important if TSHTF.

Plastic sheet
for water evaporation water droplet collecting from ground to filter out poison water or toxic water through evaporation water filtering slow water filtering

twine
for shelter, hanging things ,tieing things ,etc

hand axe
for starting fires, sparks ,Good to have to cut through bones of animals

shovel
good to build fox holes and trenches or clear area for tent

hand shovel
Good to have if you plan on growing edible plants potatoes beans etc

hand saw
good for cutting branches to make a bungalow out of your tarp if your tent suffers damage
good to have to cut branches and place on ground making a mattress out of leaves and branches so water does not soak through base of tent if tent base get wears down and allows rain to seep through the bottom

hammer
Good to break things , start camp fire sparks on rock ,good to pound in tent spikes if you have a old tent good to have if you are going to bring a hammock ,good to have to make a tree stand for hunting animals with crossbow in tree

duck tape
good to seal holes in tent, good to wrap around your leg along with plastic to seal a wound

dental floss
good to use with a fishing hook or needle if you have one to stitch open wounds up that are deep

Nails
thick nails you can remove and reuse if needed

tent
a no brainier

sleeping bag
a no brainier

tarp
a no brainier, can be used as a tent

folding chairs that can fit in a back pack
good to have to lounge if tshtf you will be doing a lot of talking

wind up radio
im sure if tshtf there will be plenty of things to hear don't fall for any one giving free help

plastic cups
good for evaporation of water when under the plastic sheet to collect water droplets from evaporation of water creating water droplets on plastics inner surface cup collects water good slow though good for filtering urine if there is no water filter or water filter breaks or is damaged

Water filter

plastic bottles
good to water or carry urine in if you life in a desert

I took the time to write all this maybe it will remind you of some things you forgot to pack in the case we are rendered into survival mode

Salt
the body need 3g of salt a day or you will die with out salt after a week

knife
universal good for gutting a catch and cutting twine etc

Fishing string
buy fishing string you know will last a long time like monofilament, used for trip lines, attach cans to your fishing lines and place it around your perimeter so if some one snags it animal or human you will hear them
also use it for fishing, can be used for stitching a wound

water resistant zip lock bags if your going light weight and don't want to carry a small mason jar in your bag you can use these bags to preserve food and also hold many one strike match heads make sure your matches don't rub around in your bag it would be better to put in mason jar because their is no air to feed the fire if they ignite by accident, also good for paper if your writing down your location in the forest through a compass

Crossbow
used for hunting make sure it can last in the rain snow and many harsh seasons better then a gun since ammo can be reused and one does not have to risk going into areas to regain ammo being dominated by gangs etc can even be modified as a fishing device

compass

survival knife
comes with magnifying glass or should good for starting fires and cutting things

flint rock
good to start fires as well but if wet not good choice

Fishing poll
no brainier free food while waiting

Big fishing net
a big net to hull in a big amount of fish at once

glasses
good for eyes while in UV sunlight for long time

Mosquito repellant



Rice and beans make a complete protein and if stored in rodent proof tins and kept dry they last for years.

map-detailed

Bucket w lid

vitamins
peanut butter
dynamo flashlight
wind up radio
toilet paper
rice

dried milk on sale , and tuna fish

22LR ammo! good for trading, defense, and also taking animals

something to store large amounts of water in













100 Items To Disappear First In A Panic
5-21-06


#1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy.. target of thieves; maintenance, etc.)
#2. Water Filters/Purifiers (Shipping delays increasing.)
#3. Portable Toilets (Increasing in price every twomonths.)
#4. Seasoned Firewood (About $100 per cord; wood takes 6 - 12 mos. to become dried, for home uses.)
#5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
#6. Coleman Fuel (URGENT $2.69-$3.99/gal. Impossible to stockpile too much.)
#7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots
#8. Hand-Can openers & hand egg beaters, whisks (Life savers!)
#9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugars
#10. Rice - Beans - Wheat (White rice is now $12.95
- 50# bag. Sam's Club, stock depleted often.)
#11. Vegetable oil (for cooking) (Without it food burns/must be boiled, etc.)
#12. Charcoal & Lighter fluid (Will become scarce suddenly.)
#13. Water containers (Urgent Item to obtain. An size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY)
#14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
#15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
#16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur by September, 1999.)
#17. survival guides at places that sell books
#18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
#19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula/ointments/aspirin, etc
#20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
#21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
#22. Vitamins
#23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item.)
#24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products
#25. Thermal underwear (Tops and bottoms)
#26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets & Wedges (also, honing oil)
#27. Aluminum foil Reg. & Hvy. Duty (Great Cooking & Barter item)
#28. Gasoline containers (Plastic or Metal)
#29. Garbage bags (Impossible to have too many.)
#30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, paper towels
#31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake liquid every 3 to 4 months.)
#32. Garden seeds (Non-hybrid) (A MUST)
#33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
#34. wind-up flashlights
#35. Tuna Fish
#36. Fire extinguishers (or.. large box of Baking soda in every room...)
#37. First aid kits
#38. Batteries (all sizes... buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
#39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
#40. dog food
#41. Flour, yeast & salt
#42. Matches (3 box/$1 .44 at WalMart: "Strike Anywhere" preferred. Boxed, wooden matches will go first.)
#43. Writing paper/pads/pencils/solar calculators
#44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime)
#45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
#46. Flashlights/LIGIITSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
#47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (Jot down ideas, feelings, experiences: Historic times!)
#48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water transporting - if with wheels)
#49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
#50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
#51. Fishing supplies/tools
#52. Mosquito coils/repellent sprays/creams
#53. Duct tape
#54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
#55. Candles
#56. Laundry detergent (Liquid)
#57. Backpacks & Duffle bags
#58. Garden tools & supplies
#59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
#60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
#61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
#62. Canning supplies (Jars/lids/wax)
#63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
#64. Bicycles... Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.
#65. Sleeping bags & blankets/pillows/mats
#66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
#67. Board Games Cards, Dice
#68. d-Con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
#69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
#70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks...)
#71. Baby Wipes, diapers, tampons, oils, waterless & Anti-bacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
#72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
#73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
#74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
#75. vinegar, soy sauce, boullions/gravy/soup base, etc
#76. Reading glasses
#77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
#78. wind-up radio
#79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
#80. gasoline
#81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
#82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
#83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
#84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
#85. Lumber (all types)
#86. Wagons & carts (for transport to & from open Flea markets)
#87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses (for extra guests)
#88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
#89. Lantern Hangers
#90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts
#91. Teas
#92. Coffee
#93. Cigarettes
#94. Wine/Liquors (even if just for bartering, medicinal, etc.)
#95. Paraffin wax
#96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
#97. Chewing gum/candies
#98. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
#99. Goats/chickens
#100. Sanity, kindness, rationality, and selflessness





For issues of nuclear war survival, fallout shelters, etc:

"Nuclear War Survival Skills"
by Oak Ridge National Laboratory,
a Facility of the
U.S. Department of Energy
---> [link to www.oism.org]

Pay special attention to the "small-pole shelter" design. If you want to learn nuclear war survival skills, but dont want to build a permanent shelter, you at least need to know how to build expedient fallout shelters.

And before any idiots say "there is no such thing as 'nuclear war survival' ", or the ever-popular idiot's statement, "I wouldnt wouldnt want to survive",
please read:
"Chapter 1. The Dangers from Nuclear Weapons: Myths and Facts "
---> [link to www.oism.org]
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I've posed this question before and people seem reluctant to give a definative answer. Imagine 10 people in a situation where no help will be available for a month and there are barely supplies for 2 weeks for the 10 people.

Will all agree to share everything equally and hope for the best or some volunteer to die or a group decides to kill the remander of the people so they are able to survive?


I think you know the answer.
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I've posed this question before and people seem reluctant to give a definative answer. Imagine 10 people in a situation where no help will be available for a month and there are barely supplies for 2 weeks for the 10 people.

Will all agree to share everything equally and hope for the best or some volunteer to die or a group decides to kill the remander of the people so they are able to survive?


I think you know the answer.
 Quoting: scimitar

In that situation, I would be happy to take off on my own and fend for myself, because if everyone stayed, violence would ensue soon enough.
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some of the links above didnt get posted correctly. Here they are again:


[link to www.ebookee.com]

[link to www.survival-center.com]

[link to www.ki4u.com]

[link to practicalpreps.com]

[link to www.i4at.org]

[link to readync.org]

[link to www.monolithic.com]

[link to www.timebomb2000.com]
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Good point ET, never actually thought about that decision. I suppose that's what I might be tempted to do. I'm a lover not a fighter...... although that could change soon.
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i have all this and more but now im starting to think mabe all i need is an indian by my side lol lol
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ET Question...... I don't have funds nor the desire to have a weapons arsenal, so a shotgun has to suffice as a short range rifle with rifled slugs. I purchased a scope for it, but haven't fired it yet. What might I expect at ~100yards? It's just an 18.5" barrel.
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People on this forum sure do seem obsessed with guns.....
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I've posed this question before and people seem reluctant to give a definative answer. Imagine 10 people in a situation where no help will be available for a month and there are barely supplies for 2 weeks for the 10 people.

Will all agree to share everything equally and hope for the best or some volunteer to die or a group decides to kill the remander of the people so they are able to survive?


I think you know the answer.
 Quoting: scimitar



I'll give you the answer that you clearly dont understand. There are those like you who live in a fantasy world where everyone in a TSHTF/TEOTWAWKI sacenario would be killing everyone else in a wild orgy of murder and only the last few strongest would remain alive.

No.

The vast majority will come together and work towards the common good. This is not just my opinion, but we have been shown this time and again in dire situations.

This may not hold true in very large, densely-populated cities, however. If you live in this type of setting, thats your choice and I feel for you.

You have a very pessimistic view of human nature and its ability to survive without CORPGOV based on the false image given you through its controlled media.
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ET Question...... I don't have funds nor the desire to have a weapons arsenal, so a shotgun has to suffice as a short range rifle with rifled slugs. I purchased a scope for it, but haven't fired it yet. What might I expect at ~100yards? It's just an 18.5" barrel.
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That depends a lot on the slugs and barrel, but with my 24" smoothbore barrel and a tight choke, and some decent rifled slugs, my shotgun will shoot about 6" groups at 100 yds. Not great, but good enough to drop man or deer.
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Additional info:

Thread: Recession Proof GLP... 5 Minutes Until Financial Midnight
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)



and why do you think you will be successful?>?

you think the people that have the foresight to have ALL TEN are just going to let you take what you want>?

when it gets REALLY bad we will hunt down scum like you and shoot them like dogs in the street...
 Quoting: Enigma


And I will do the butchering, letting Messrs. Omega and Malu shoot you, because I am afraid of guns. Then I will cook you and your former associates up and have a dinner for all my aforementioned friends, to which you will be the guest of honor (although by that time you will be supremely indifferent to such).

And Mr. Omega's dogs will undoubtedly get the bones.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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They forgot number 11:

11) A reliable self-defence/hunting weapon with plenty of ammo.

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ET Question...... I don't have funds nor the desire to have a weapons arsenal, so a shotgun has to suffice as a short range rifle with rifled slugs. I purchased a scope for it, but haven't fired it yet. What might I expect at ~100yards? It's just an 18.5" barrel.
 Quoting: scimitar


As I have mentioned before, I have never owned a firearm and never will, since the government will take care of me, the police are my friends, and besides, guns kill people. However, if you're talking about a 12-gauge cylinder-bore barrel shooting a typical slug, you can expect about a 12-inch drop over a hundred yards, which make adjustable open sights a possible advantage.

A typical 40-caliber sabot drops only about 4 inches over a hundred yards and the terminal velocity is higher, but I still believe that 75 yards is about the maximum reliable range for a cylinder-bore barrel, with maybe 125-150 yards maximum rangefor a rifled barrel.

If I were going to look at shotguns, I would buy something like Mossberg 500 with the 28" cylinder-bore barrel for upland game, an 18" cylinder-bore barrel for home defense, and a 21" rifled barrel for slugs.

Of course I would never actually buy a shotgun, because, as I mentioned earlier, I have never owned a firearm and never will, since the government will take care of me, the police are my friends, and besides, guns kill people.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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This thread is depressing. I wanted a better future than this.
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Yeah this is my thoughts exactly :

As I have mentioned before, I have never owned a firearm and never will, since the government will take care of me, the police are my friends, and besides, guns kill people They are such great people and agencies and I am thrilled to be a citizen of such a great nation....lol....oh bother this thread is depressing and scaring me....:(
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02/12/2009 09:28 PM
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I've posed this question before and people seem reluctant to give a definative answer. Imagine 10 people in a situation where no help will be available for a month and there are barely supplies for 2 weeks for the 10 people.

Will all agree to share everything equally and hope for the best or some volunteer to die or a group decides to kill the remander of the people so they are able to survive?


I think you know the answer.
 Quoting: scimitar

First, I'd wait to see what the concensus was.

If it was to just hold out as long as possible until the supplies ran out, then I'd stay until just before they ran out, or until interpersonal conflict became a threat.
This I would do in hopes that the situation might change between now & then.

Then, if things didn't improve, I'd bail & head off on my own, as I could not be responsible for everyone else's survival at that point, especially when desparation set in.

And, my buttocks are no person's food. You can't stay awake 24/7 to guard yourself against starving people. But you can hide yourself if no one knows where you are.

You can't take care of others if you can't even take care of yourself.

I would try to teach them primitive survival skills before leaving however; my parting gift to them.

I would consider taking a companion if they were first a person of the highest moral character, and second proficient in primitive survival. If they can pull 100% of their own weight and are unquestionably trustworthy, they might be allowed to join me. I would pick and choose very carefully my companion(s) at that point.

If I/we later became comfortable and prosperous in my refuge, then I'd consider taking in others of good character, who are trainable, on a case-per-case basis. Sustainability is key. Communal death is not.

If the crisis lasted long-term, the group could grow slowly, eventually becoming a self-sustaining community. This is the way civilizations are born.

Weed out the riff-raff. And keep the weeds out of the garden.

Peace.
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02/12/2009 09:31 PM
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People on this forum sure do seem obsessed with guns.....
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Guns are tools, just like a knife or shovel. It's good to have one when you need it.

Perhaps you should re-examine your programming.
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02/12/2009 09:45 PM
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This thread is depressing. I wanted a better future than this.
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We definately live in increasingly difficult times that are almost assuredly going to get worse and possibly much much worse.

Its like a hurricane coming:
You know its coming - but dont know exactly how bad its going to be and where the worst is going to hit. The best that you can do is to prepare the best you can/can afford, even if that is nothing more than making a list of things to do/get and thinking about what your best survival options are in various scenarios.

If you can nothing nothing else, at least get to know your neighbors and make as many friends as you can in your community. Think 'community'.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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02/12/2009 09:46 PM

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I've posed this question before and people seem reluctant to give a definative answer. Imagine 10 people in a situation where no help will be available for a month and there are barely supplies for 2 weeks for the 10 people.

Will all agree to share everything equally and hope for the best or some volunteer to die or a group decides to kill the remander of the people so they are able to survive?


I think you know the answer.
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I get what your saying, and this worries the hell out of me.

People arn't all caring, and sharing. The vast majority are shelfish animals.

When it all starts falling apart, its all good having your supplies ready, but are you just becoming a target?

hf
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i wonder if anyone makes a .30 caliber rifled sabotted slug for shotguns? to get the effective range out there a lot further? would be a nice option

btw: the part about calling for an ambulance to save your life

bwwwwaaaaaahhhhhahahaha
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02/12/2009 09:49 PM
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i wonder if anyone makes a .30 caliber rifled sabotted slug for shotguns? to get the effective range out there a lot further? would be a nice option

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spock

/me heads out to garage to make one myself...
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Why do I need all that shit when I'll just cap your ass and take it??? ;)
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A Gun didn't make that list. It was #1 on mine :).

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