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How to Terminate Your Social Security Number

I saw this in a bulletin and thought I'd pass it along...

How to Terminate Your Social Security Number

Interesting call to the Social Security Administration

So I've been contemplating turning in my social security number, in order to stop being a Federal United States employee, so I called the SSA today just to see what they would say.

SSA: Hello this is Dorothy, how may I help you?

ME: Hello Dorothy, I recently learned that Social Security is a voluntary insurance program, and that I may terminate my SS number at any time and get out of it, my question is, do I get all of my money back that I payed in when I turn in my number?

SSA: (pissy) No

ME: So I'd probably have to file suit for that?

SSA: Probably

ME: one more question, is there a SSA form that I fill out to cancel my number?

SSA: hold on let me check...

(2 minutes)

SSA: sir?

ME: Im here

SSA: we dont have a form for that, you would have to send in a letter and your card.
(much nicer attitude for some reason)

ME: O.K., I was surprised to find out it was voluntary, I always thought it was mandatory to have a number.

SSA: Are you in the United States

ME: do you mean in the United States as defined as the District of Columbia, or do you just mean one of the states?

SSA: one of the states (no hesitation or surprise in her voice)

ME: oh, one of the states

SSA: yeah it actually is mandatory to have one if your not paying into another pension program to the federal or state government.

ME: Oh, you mean if Im a state or Federal Employee?

SSA: Yes

ME: Oh, ok, yeah, I'm not a State or Federal employee, ok, thanks for your time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For anyone else interested in doing so, tthe SSA can be reached at 1-800-772-1213.

Edward, ID Number DELTED, my SSA customer service rep looked into the termination section of their manual to verify the procedure for terminating my social security number.

He gave me the office address and number of my local office and told me to send it in with a letter describing the fact that I wish to terminate my number as it is voluntary.

He asked why I wish to terminate my number and I stated that I wished to stop contibuting to the program voluntarily.

"Well," he said, "You can just tell your employer to stop withholding the money from your paycheck. That way you can still get the benefits that you have paid into so far."

I explained to him that I tried to do so with my employer, but my employer believes that he is required to continue withholdings.

He then went on to say that if I did terminate my social security number through the process he described that I would receive a letter stating that I have terminated the number and withholdings can terminate as well.

Brilliant!!!! Absolutely brilliant.

More Links

[link to famguardian.org]

Payroll Withholding Form-Short Form Instructions...

[link to www.sedm.org]


How to Open a Bank Account with NO SSN

I did a google search, and came across this MOST USEFUL INFORMATION regarding banking with NO SSN! The only way this has ANY MEANING WHATSOEVER, IS IF WE GET OUT THERE AND USE THIS INFORMATION FOLKS! And be sure to fill us in on how it's working out there on the front lines! I am going to try this as soon as possible!

Opening a Bank Account Without a SSN Compliments of
Craig Burkholder, Harrisonburg, VA

Hi, Just wanted to drop you a line to let you know about a recent small victory in the no-SSN corner.

I recently tried to open a bank account with my local bank , and when they asked for a SSN, I informed them that I didn't have one. They flatly refused and said that without a SSN that they absolutely could NOT open an account of any kind. I then proceeded thus to convince them that they were in the wrong: 1) I informed them that I had terminated my SSN legally in accordance with 20 CFR 3 A7 404.1905 and 2) I informed them that the bank could not be held legally responsible by anyone for failing to obtain a SSN from me pursuant to 31 CFR 103.34(a)(1) and 3) I informed them that under the Internal Revenue Code Section 6041, that they were not even required to provide any taxpayer identification numbers on the Form 1099 that they file with the IRS at the end of the year, and 4) I informed them that pursuant to 26 CFR 301.6109-1(c) that they were under no legal obligation to obtain a SSN from me, and 5) I informed them that 42 USC 408 makes it a FELONY to use threat, duress, or coercion to try to force a person by fear or deceit to provide his SSN in an unlawful manner. After a brief meeting with the banks controller and legal counsel, I received a phone call stating that I would be allowed to open a checking account. Please pass this information along to your readers, in hopes that it may help someone else who may find themselves in this situation.

Some questions that arise:

What happens to that other voluntary program that uses your SSN? You know income taxes...

And what happens to your old SSN that people already have; like your employer or bank? What happens when they file IRS related items with that number?

Since the SSN is what is used to collect income taxes, how could the Feds track and collect taxes without it?
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I might as well not even bother...Its been identity thefted anyway.
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.
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Wrong!!! Fail go back to end of line.
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554626

Yes you can. I just posted a thread about this. When you agree to fill out W-2, you're telling your employer that you agree to let them act on behlaf of the IRS as tax collectors.
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You act as tho SS is insolvent or something <gasp> hmm
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554626


Well, aside from those illegals who have stolen the SSN's and ID's of u.S. citizens, it does not seem to be a problem for the illegals to find work for cash payment. And a goodly number seem to be doing pretty well, if you see all the material crap they have. Doing better than me. So, you might want to modify your claim.
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So I tell my employer to stop taking taxes out? Thats it?
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I can't tell you that you cannot cancel your satanic serial number or not.

But generally only a death certificate can terminate a SSN account.

Now you know why it is so mf'ing important to know who died in accidents and what have you.

If they do not terminate the account it will be drawn off of for years to the tune of millions to billions of dollars.

BTW, where did you think the debt came from? Borrowing?
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So I tell my employer to stop taking taxes out? Thats it?
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I'd recommend watching the entire video before doing anything...

[link to video.google.com]


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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554626


Look up ITIN and see if you NEED an SSN to work.
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SSA: yeah it actually is mandatory to have one if your not paying into another pension program to the federal or state government.
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Bold section is the key. If your not paying into another pension program to the federal or state government.

I take that to mean that if you are paying into an alternate federal or government pension, you would not be required to have an SSN. For the rest of us, we would.

Am I reading that correctly?
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cool..

i would like to get rid of my bar code too one of these days.


thanks for the info
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I guess you think you'll never need to collect Social Security to survive when you're old.
Not that it won't be broke anyway.
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If you termanate your SSN you will never have to pay taxes anyway... for Federal Income Tax is a voluntary system, always has been always will be... just that everyone got bullied in to believing other wise!!

just getting others to work with it is another thing
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www.famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Instructions/4.20TermSS.htm

Interesting read.
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it's awesome seeing people waking up! ^5
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Easy. Just get a blank death certificate and write your name on it. Send it to the social security administration so you, as the relative can collect the $235 death benefit.

Then create a whole new identity for yourself.

Of course, that might not be so easy.
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same thing with drivers licence, vehicle licence and registration, etc. there was a thread a couple years ago or so about it. the guy won in court after having been pulled over with no plates, tags, license....

if anyone remembers that thread would ya look it up? I can't remember what it was called and content search is continually disabled. I know the guy lived in new mexico and cited new mexico's constitution. his last word was that he was carless again, and how inconvenient...

he cited law numbers and references, too.
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.



Wrong!!! Fail go back to end of line.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 563271


It is YOU who are wrong, my friend.

Each employee should complete a form W-4 to let the employer know how much taxes to withhold. The W-4 allows the employee to reduce the amount withhold from each paycheck by claiming legitimate dependents. The W-4 form requires the employee to show his SSN. Now some may correctly assert that the employee does not have to file a W-4 form. However, refusing to give this information can only harm the employee.

According to the IRS (Publication 17 2007, page 37):

“You do not have to file a W-4 to work in the United States. However, every employer is required by law to withhold a proper amount of taxes from your wages. If you do not give your employer a completed W-4 , your employer must withhold at the highest rate, as if you were single and claimed no withholding allowances.”

There is no benefit, therefore, in not filing a W-4 with your employer, which includes your SSN. Filing a W-4 allows you to keep a greater portion of each pay check rather than wait until the end of the year for a tax refund to get your money back. Ooooops, another problem: if you don’t give the IRS your social security number, there is no way for you to file for a refund of any money your employer withheld. Bummer! Further, the wages you earned will not be credited to your Social Security benefits account. Making you ineligible for benefits even though social security taxes were withheld) Big bummer!

In the plainest words I can think of: if you refuse to provide your employer with a W-4 you will pay one hell of a lot more in taxes than those who provide this information, and when your friends start getting their Social Security checks, you will not be eligible for the same benefits. But, it’s your choice.

But, even if there is no specific law saying that YOU must submit your social security number to your employer, there is a law that says your employer must submit your social security to the IRS or face penalties. So unless your employer wants to get in BIG trouble with the IRS (and the Social Security Administration), he will not hire you if you refuse to give your SSN.

Here’s what the IRS tells employers:

[link to www.irs.gov]

"You must verify that each new employee is legally eligible to work in the United States. Have the employees you hire fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

You are required to get each employee's name and Social Security Number (SSN) and to enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and nonresident alien employees.) You should ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee may show the card if it is available. You may, but are not required to, photocopy the social security card if the employee provides it. Record each new employee's name and social security number from his or her social security card. Any employee without a social security card should apply for one using Form SS-5, Application for Social Security Card (PDF). The Social Security Administration (SSA) offers social security number (SSN) verification and quick access to relevant forms and publications.

Do not accept an ITIN in place of an SSN for employee identification or for work. An ITIN is only available to resident and nonresident aliens who are not eligible for U.S. employment and need identification for other tax purposes. You can identify an ITIN because it is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number "9" and is formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNN).

Note: An individual with an ITIN who later becomes eligible to work in the United States must obtain an SSN" (highlight my own).

AND

[link to www.irs.gov]

On page 9 of this link, you will find that employers are required to get each employee’s name and SSN and to enter this information on the employees’ W-2 forms. Employers are told that failure to provide such information will subject them to penalties.

And here’s what the law says:

[link to uscode.house.gov]


26 U.S.C. 6051. Receipts for employees
-STATUTE-
(a) Requirement

Every person required to deduct and withhold from an employee a
tax under section 3101 or 3402.…….. shall furnish to each such employee a written statement showing the following:

(1) the name of such person,
(2) the name of the employee ( and his social security account number if wages as defined in section 3121(a) [ have been paid), (3) the total amount of wages as defined in section 3401(a),
(4) the total amount deducted and withheld as tax under section
3402,
(5) the total amount of wages as defined in section 3121(a),
6) the total amount deducted and withheld as tax under section
3101,............"

Note: The written record the law speaks of is the information you get on your W-2 form. Of course a copy of the W-2 goes to the SSA who later electronically transmits this information to the IRS.

You may also want to check out the following links:

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

"There are certain times when Social Security numbers must be used. This is not a complete list, but here are some of the major situations when they are required:

Most financial transactions
Employment records
Tax returns (federal and state)
Medicare benefits
Contact with the Social Security Administration
Applications for a hunting, fishing or other recreational license" (highlights my own).

[link to www.isomedia.com]

"Employers are required by the IRS to get the SSNs of people they hire. They often ask for it during the interview process, but there are good reasons to refuse if you can afford to argue with the potential employer. Some of them use the SSN to check credit records, to look for criminal history, and otherwise to delve into your past in areas you might object to. Tell them you'll give them your SSN when you accept their offer. They have no legitimate use for it before then."

[link to www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov]

"Generally, your SSN is required on records of transactions in which the Internal Revenue Serviceis interested. This includes most banking, stock market, property, and other financial transactions [and employment]" (inseertion my own).

[link to www.twc.state.tx.us]

"You [employers] must get each employee's name and SSN because you must enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and non-resident alien employees.) You may ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee is required to show the card if they have it available. If you do not provide the correct employee name and SSN on Form W-2, you may owe a penalty" (insertion my own).


Now, don’t embarrass yourself by telling me to go to the end of the line!!!!

PS, my question for you: have you ever gotten a job without giving your employer your SSN??? The answer is no, hell no.
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.



Wrong!!! Fail go back to end of line.


It is YOU who are wrong, my friend.

Each employee should complete a form W-4 to let the employer know how much taxes to withhold. The W-4 allows the employee to reduce the amount withhold from each paycheck by claiming legitimate dependents. The W-4 form requires the employee to show his SSN. Now some may correctly assert that the employee does not have to file a W-4 form. However, refusing to give this information can only harm the employee.

According to the IRS (Publication 17 2007, page 37):

“You do not have to file a W-4 to work in the United States. However, every employer is required by law to withhold a proper amount of taxes from your wages. If you do not give your employer a completed W-4 , your employer must withhold at the highest rate, as if you were single and claimed no withholding allowances.”

There is no benefit, therefore, in not filing a W-4 with your employer, which includes your SSN. Filing a W-4 allows you to keep a greater portion of each pay check rather than wait until the end of the year for a tax refund to get your money back. Ooooops, another problem: if you don’t give the IRS your social security number, there is no way for you to file for a refund of any money your employer withheld. Bummer! Further, the wages you earned will not be credited to your Social Security benefits account. Making you ineligible for benefits even though social security taxes were withheld) Big bummer!

In the plainest words I can think of: if you refuse to provide your employer with a W-4 you will pay one hell of a lot more in taxes than those who provide this information, and when your friends start getting their Social Security checks, you will not be eligible for the same benefits. But, it’s your choice.

But, even if there is no specific law saying that YOU must submit your social security number to your employer, there is a law that says your employer must submit your social security to the IRS or face penalties. So unless your employer wants to get in BIG trouble with the IRS (and the Social Security Administration), he will not hire you if you refuse to give your SSN.

Here’s what the IRS tells employers:

[link to www.irs.gov]

"You must verify that each new employee is legally eligible to work in the United States. Have the employees you hire fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

You are required to get each employee's name and Social Security Number (SSN) and to enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and nonresident alien employees.) You should ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee may show the card if it is available. You may, but are not required to, photocopy the social security card if the employee provides it. Record each new employee's name and social security number from his or her social security card. Any employee without a social security card should apply for one using Form SS-5, Application for Social Security Card (PDF). The Social Security Administration (SSA) offers social security number (SSN) verification and quick access to relevant forms and publications.

Do not accept an ITIN in place of an SSN for employee identification or for work. An ITIN is only available to resident and nonresident aliens who are not eligible for U.S. employment and need identification for other tax purposes. You can identify an ITIN because it is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number "9" and is formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNN).

Note: An individual with an ITIN who later becomes eligible to work in the United States must obtain an SSN" (highlight my own).

AND

[link to www.irs.gov]

On page 9 of this link, you will find that employers are required to get each employee’s name and SSN and to enter this information on the employees’ W-2 forms. Employers are told that failure to provide such information will subject them to penalties.

And here’s what the law says:

[link to uscode.house.gov]


26 U.S.C. 6051. Receipts for employees
-STATUTE-
(a) Requirement

Every person required to deduct and withhold from an employee a
tax under section 3101 or 3402.…….. shall furnish to each such employee a written statement showing the following:

(1) the name of such person,
(2) the name of the employee ( and his social security account number if wages as defined in section 3121(a) [ have been paid), (3) the total amount of wages as defined in section 3401(a),
(4) the total amount deducted and withheld as tax under section
3402,
(5) the total amount of wages as defined in section 3121(a),
6) the total amount deducted and withheld as tax under section
3101,............"

Note: The written record the law speaks of is the information you get on your W-2 form. Of course a copy of the W-2 goes to the SSA who later electronically transmits this information to the IRS.

You may also want to check out the following links:

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

"There are certain times when Social Security numbers must be used. This is not a complete list, but here are some of the major situations when they are required:

Most financial transactions
Employment records
Tax returns (federal and state)
Medicare benefits
Contact with the Social Security Administration
Applications for a hunting, fishing or other recreational license" (highlights my own).

[link to www.isomedia.com]

"Employers are required by the IRS to get the SSNs of people they hire. They often ask for it during the interview process, but there are good reasons to refuse if you can afford to argue with the potential employer. Some of them use the SSN to check credit records, to look for criminal history, and otherwise to delve into your past in areas you might object to. Tell them you'll give them your SSN when you accept their offer. They have no legitimate use for it before then."

[link to www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov]

"Generally, your SSN is required on records of transactions in which the Internal Revenue Serviceis interested. This includes most banking, stock market, property, and other financial transactions [and employment]" (inseertion my own).

[link to www.twc.state.tx.us]

"You [employers] must get each employee's name and SSN because you must enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and non-resident alien employees.) You may ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee is required to show the card if they have it available. If you do not provide the correct employee name and SSN on Form W-2, you may owe a penalty" (insertion my own).


Now, don’t embarrass yourself by telling me to go to the end of the line!!!!

PS, my question for you: have you ever gotten a job without giving your employer your SSN??? The answer is no, hell no.
 Quoting: The Professor 385883



you cite the IRS as backing? lol

that's like trying to prove a mob boss is only involved with importing/exporting
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.


Look up ITIN and see if you NEED an SSN to work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 612961


AC 554626 was right.

You are wrong. You are the one who should look up ITIN.

Here’s what the IRS tells employers:

[link to www.irs.gov]

Eligibility to Work in the United States

You must verify that each new employee is legally eligible to work in the United States. Have the employees you hire fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

You are required to get each employee's name and Social Security Number (SSN) and to enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and nonresident alien employees.) You should ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee may show the card if it is available. You may, but are not required to, photocopy the social security card if the employee provides it. Record each new employee's name and social security number from his or her social security card. Any employee without a social security card should apply for one using Form SS-5, Application for Social Security Card (PDF). The Social Security Administration (SSA) offers social security number (SSN) verification and quick access to relevant forms and publications.

Do not accept an ITIN in place of an SSN for employee identification or for work. An ITIN is only available to resident and nonresident aliens who are not eligible for U.S. employment and need identification for other tax purposes. You can identify an ITIN because it is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number "9" and is formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNN).

Note: An individual with an ITIN who later becomes eligible to work in the United States must obtain an SSN" (highlights my own).

With all due respect, sir, you need to get better sources of information. Chat with AC 554626. He seems to know what's going on. He probably works for the IRS, like I used to.
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.
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1rof1 1rof1 lmao lmao
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You can not work in the USA without a SS card.

They got your ass.

You can not work without them withholding taxes.



Wrong!!! Fail go back to end of line.


It is YOU who are wrong, my friend.

Each employee should complete a form W-4 to let the employer know how much taxes to withhold. The W-4 allows the employee to reduce the amount withhold from each paycheck by claiming legitimate dependents. The W-4 form requires the employee to show his SSN. Now some may correctly assert that the employee does not have to file a W-4 form. However, refusing to give this information can only harm the employee.

According to the IRS (Publication 17 2007, page 37):

“You do not have to file a W-4 to work in the United States. However, every employer is required by law to withhold a proper amount of taxes from your wages. If you do not give your employer a completed W-4 , your employer must withhold at the highest rate, as if you were single and claimed no withholding allowances.”

There is no benefit, therefore, in not filing a W-4 with your employer, which includes your SSN. Filing a W-4 allows you to keep a greater portion of each pay check rather than wait until the end of the year for a tax refund to get your money back. Ooooops, another problem: if you don’t give the IRS your social security number, there is no way for you to file for a refund of any money your employer withheld. Bummer! Further, the wages you earned will not be credited to your Social Security benefits account. Making you ineligible for benefits even though social security taxes were withheld) Big bummer!

In the plainest words I can think of: if you refuse to provide your employer with a W-4 you will pay one hell of a lot more in taxes than those who provide this information, and when your friends start getting their Social Security checks, you will not be eligible for the same benefits. But, it’s your choice.

But, even if there is no specific law saying that YOU must submit your social security number to your employer, there is a law that says your employer must submit your social security to the IRS or face penalties. So unless your employer wants to get in BIG trouble with the IRS (and the Social Security Administration), he will not hire you if you refuse to give your SSN.

Here’s what the IRS tells employers:

[link to www.irs.gov]

"You must verify that each new employee is legally eligible to work in the United States. Have the employees you hire fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

You are required to get each employee's name and Social Security Number (SSN) and to enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and nonresident alien employees.) You should ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee may show the card if it is available. You may, but are not required to, photocopy the social security card if the employee provides it. Record each new employee's name and social security number from his or her social security card. Any employee without a social security card should apply for one using Form SS-5, Application for Social Security Card (PDF). The Social Security Administration (SSA) offers social security number (SSN) verification and quick access to relevant forms and publications.

Do not accept an ITIN in place of an SSN for employee identification or for work. An ITIN is only available to resident and nonresident aliens who are not eligible for U.S. employment and need identification for other tax purposes. You can identify an ITIN because it is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number "9" and is formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNN).

Note: An individual with an ITIN who later becomes eligible to work in the United States must obtain an SSN" (highlight my own).

AND

[link to www.irs.gov]

On page 9 of this link, you will find that employers are required to get each employee’s name and SSN and to enter this information on the employees’ W-2 forms. Employers are told that failure to provide such information will subject them to penalties.

And here’s what the law says:

[link to uscode.house.gov]


26 U.S.C. 6051. Receipts for employees
-STATUTE-
(a) Requirement

Every person required to deduct and withhold from an employee a
tax under section 3101 or 3402.…….. shall furnish to each such employee a written statement showing the following:

(1) the name of such person,
(2) the name of the employee ( and his social security account number if wages as defined in section 3121(a) [ have been paid), (3) the total amount of wages as defined in section 3401(a),
(4) the total amount deducted and withheld as tax under section
3402,
(5) the total amount of wages as defined in section 3121(a),
6) the total amount deducted and withheld as tax under section
3101,............"

Note: The written record the law speaks of is the information you get on your W-2 form. Of course a copy of the W-2 goes to the SSA who later electronically transmits this information to the IRS.

You may also want to check out the following links:

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

"There are certain times when Social Security numbers must be used. This is not a complete list, but here are some of the major situations when they are required:

Most financial transactions
Employment records
Tax returns (federal and state)
Medicare benefits
Contact with the Social Security Administration
Applications for a hunting, fishing or other recreational license" (highlights my own).

[link to www.isomedia.com]

"Employers are required by the IRS to get the SSNs of people they hire. They often ask for it during the interview process, but there are good reasons to refuse if you can afford to argue with the potential employer. Some of them use the SSN to check credit records, to look for criminal history, and otherwise to delve into your past in areas you might object to. Tell them you'll give them your SSN when you accept their offer. They have no legitimate use for it before then."

[link to www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov]

"Generally, your SSN is required on records of transactions in which the Internal Revenue Serviceis interested. This includes most banking, stock market, property, and other financial transactions [and employment]" (inseertion my own).

[link to www.twc.state.tx.us]

"You [employers] must get each employee's name and SSN because you must enter them on Form W-2. (This requirement also applies to resident and non-resident alien employees.) You may ask your employee to show you his or her social security card. The employee is required to show the card if they have it available. If you do not provide the correct employee name and SSN on Form W-2, you may owe a penalty" (insertion my own).


Now, don’t embarrass yourself by telling me to go to the end of the line!!!!

PS, my question for you: have you ever gotten a job without giving your employer your SSN??? The answer is no, hell no.



you cite the IRS as backing? lol

that's like trying to prove a mob boss is only involved with importing/exporting

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Do it your way and see what happens.

Besides, regarding taxes, the only source that is better than the IRS are those court decisions which restrict their authority. I could find no such restrictions concerning the information I gave you.

Perhaps for you, I should have cited a better source, like, oh hell, I don't know...the Bible???
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Did you ever receive the money you gave to the Social Security insurance program after you withdrew yourself from the program?
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I'm retired so I don't worry about it, but my sister got a letter stating that her SS benefits will be much less than promised and my mother got her benefit cut by over $180 last year. So, why pay into a failing system? Get out and save your money.
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great thread
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Good luck with that...

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If I give up my number, after paying the maximum into it for years, will I still get a beer money check when I retire?
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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