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seized (OP) User ID: 615220 United States 02/14/2009 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Crash investigators picked through incinerated wreckage Saturday, gathering evidence to determine what brought down the plane. Icing on the aircraft is suspected to have played a role, <but officials have stopped short of calling that the cause.> Chealander said indicators lights showed the deicing equipment was working and that investigators who examined both engines said it appears they were working normally at the time of the crash. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 615214 United States 02/14/2009 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Plane fell flat onto Buffalo house! Quoting: seized 615220CLARENCE, N.Y. – A commuter plane that smashed into a house apparently plunged flat to the ground rather than nose-diving, ending up pointed away from the airport it was trying to reach, investigators said Saturday. Investigators did not offer an explanation as to why the plane ended up pointed away from the Buffalo airport. Continental Connection Flight 3407 was cleared to land on a runway pointing to the southwest, but it crashed with its nose pointed northeast, said Steve Chealander, a National Transportation Safety Board member. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 614439 United States 02/14/2009 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a former pilot I would say they might have given verbal indications of the situation. And....the flight recorder will give a good indication of the flight parameters. I would say that if they can recreate the final minute of flight they should even be able to provide a computer simulation of the descent path into the house. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 615220 United States 02/15/2009 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Recordings from the plane indicate that the crew did not tell passengers the plane was in trouble.

Residents closest to the site were evacuated and allowed to return only for essential items and only with a police escort. Twelve residences in the neighborhood, as well as a church, have been evacuated until officials finish securing and examining the site, said Christopher Cummings, Troop A commander of the Batavia-based State Police. Cummings said three arrests have been made for trespassing on the police-defined area around the crash scene. One arrest, Cummings said, was a 19-year-old Clarence man, who was found videotaping the crash site within the perimeter. Police confiscated and deleted his video [link to www.democratandchronicle.com] |
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-Freak- User ID: 615484 Norway 02/15/2009 05:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They haven't released the cockpit recordings yet have they? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 614439As a former pilot I would say they might have given verbal indications of the situation. And....the flight recorder will give a good indication of the flight parameters. I would say that if they can recreate the final minute of flight they should even be able to provide a computer simulation of the descent path into the house. Comm with the aircraft just before the crash indicated heavy ice buildup. Tail icing have been mentioned as a possible cause, but new information about the aircraft being in a relatively flat attitude at impact makes me think that wing stall and flat spin might be involved as a tail stall would drop the nose fast and beyond recovery at that altitude. |
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The two witnesses (OP) User ID: 615220 United States 02/15/2009 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As far as I can tell, there were only two eyewitnesses who saw the plane before it crashed. Jaimee Trujillo and her daughter, Tomasita. ``The plane was at a crazy angle,'' said Jaimee Lynn Trujillo, 39, of Clarence Center, who was inside her third-floor apartment with her daughter Tomasita when they heard an alarming hum overhead. ``Then everything went dead silent and then the house shook. There was a terrifying explosion.'' Tomasita saw the plane just before it hit the ground. ``You could see it was just starting to catch on fire,'' said the 12 year old. ``You could see some flames glowing. It just collapsed; just went right down. It seemed like no one was alive on the plane to stop it.'' Tomasita feared the worst: ``I thought: `Is it the end of the world? Are we getting bombed? It was so loud that I thought the world was ending.'' [link to www2.canada.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 615220 United States 02/15/2009 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Transient electromagnetic disturbances can cause airplane instruments to malfunction. A research paper, Aviation Safety in America, addresses the question of whether or not there is reliable data demonstrating a significant relationship between aviation safety in America and unidentified aerial phenomena [UAP] (or UFOs). They came to the conclusion that if pilots depend upon erroneous instrument readouts, safety may be compromised. Three kinds of reported UAP dynamic behavior and reported consequences are addressed, each of which can affect air safety: (1) near-miss and other high speed maneuvers conducted by the UAP near the aircraft, (2) transient and permanent electromagnetic effects onboard the aircraft that affect navigation, guidance, and flight control systems, (i.e., the auto pilot control). (3) close encounter flight performance by the UAP that produces cockpit distractions which inhibit the flight crew from flying the airplane in a safe manner. Interestingly, all of the U.S. government sources illustrate the fact that either pilots don’t report their UAP sightings at all or, if they do, they almost never use the term UAP, UFO, or when reporting their near-miss and/or in flight encounters. Conclusions: (1) In order to avoid collisions with UAP, some pilots have made control inputs that have resulted in passenger and flight crew injury. (2) Based upon a thorough review of pilot reports of UAP over the conterminous United States between 1950 and 2000 it is concluded that an immediate physical threat to aviation safety due to collision does not exist because of the reported high degree of maneuverability shown by the UAP. However, (a) should pilots make the wrong control input at the wrong time during an extremely close encounter the possibility of a mid-air collision with a UAP still exists, and (b) if pilots rely upon their instruments when anomalous electromagnetic effects are causing them to malfunction, the possibility of an incident or accident exists. (3) Documented UAP phenomena have been seen and reported for at least fifty years by pilots but many of these reporters have been either ridiculed or instructed not to report their sighting publically. (4) Responsible world aviation officials should take UAP phenomena seriously and issue clear procedures for reporting them without fearing ridicule, reprimand or other career impairment and in a manner that will support scientific research, (5) Airlines should implement instructional courses that teach pilots about optimal control procedures to carry out when flying near UAP and also what data to try to collect about them, if possible, and (5) A central clearing house should be identified to receive UAP reports (e.g., ASRS; Global Aviation Information Network (GAIN). This unclassified clearing house should collect, analyze, and report UAP sightings for the continuing benefit of aviation safety as well as scientific curiosity. Whatever UAP are, they can pose a hazard to aviation safety and should be dealt with appropriately and without bias. |
silent User ID: 226864 United States 03/21/2009 03:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As for as I know, this is the status of investigation of this tragic event. The last statement released by the investigation noted that the severe altitude and positioning of the flight pattern of the plane was done to avoid a collision. This statement was given off the record. The passenger list listing those passengers who perished in the crash gave 46 names, yet the record indicates 49 plus one on the ground perished. The lead investigator has retired. Any further information regarding the crash will not be released until one year has passed, and may not be released then. There are other questions that could be raised but out of respect for the families who lost loved ones in this crash, they will not be mentioned. The question remains: what happened? No answer is expected. |
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