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Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift

 
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Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
So, has anyone made plans in case electronic communications are lost? I was just thinking of the difficulty of reaching family and friends in the case of an EMP attack, solar flare/storm knocking out satellites, magnetic pole shift, etc.

Some of my family only live 1 hour away, but contacting them would be extremely difficult without a car to travel, and phones not working.

I highly suggest using a pen/pencil and pad of paper...everytime you leave the house, make a note of the day and time of day you left and are expected back and where you went.

If you decide to leave your house to move in with other friends or family, make sure you leave a note with all the information, so it other friends or family know where you went and do not wait around your house wondering if you ever get back.
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Re: Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
When the grid goes down, you'll need:

1) food
2) water
3) weapons
4) fire
5) bicycle

Communication is by mirror flash, fire at night, smoke signal, drum/noise and is limited in distance.

Pharmaceuticals needed: access to willow trees and various herbs.

You'll need boolits for sure... lots of boolits.
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So, has anyone made plans in case electronic communications are lost? I was just thinking of the difficulty of reaching family and friends in the case of an EMP attack, solar flare/storm knocking out satellites, magnetic pole shift, etc.

Some of my family only live 1 hour away, but contacting them would be extremely difficult without a car to travel, and phones not working. A lot of communications systems are digital now, including telecommunications.

On a side note, I walked by the pharmacy the other day and it hit me. ALL pharmaceutical files are digitized. Imagine the f-ed up chaos that will occur when those systems go offline with the amount of people using prescriptions!
 Quoting: Sickscent

After the EMP radio messages will tarvel as well as before, all you have to do is find a working radio transmitter/receiver. Military equipment should be resistant to EMP to some level (at least the Harris seems imortal to me).
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Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.
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02/17/2009 10:38 AM
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Buy a ham radio and build a Faraday cage and bury it in the ground along with a car battery and an alternator and a solar panel. Issue solved.
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I was think about writing letters... you know, like we did for the previous 3000 years.
Seemed to work ok.
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Re: Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
I bought a battery operated loud speaker. So i can yell to my neighbors up the street.
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Please be advised the US military has a contingency for this that will allow them to communicate after such an event, although not to the same extent as before. If the command structure remains intact they will be actively shutting down any 'unauthorized' channels in pursuit of full spectrum dominance. This means you might get whacked shortly after you fire up that transmitter. Therefore any equipment should be located away from people and infrastructure and utilize spread spectrum burst transmission.
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Re: Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.
 Quoting: Sickscent


This is a really good idea. Any preparation for risk emergent large scale should take into account a plan for meeting and/or communication in the event of emergency. Not just immediate family, but friends, relatives, allies and anyone else who "needs to know".

Before (if/when) electronic communications are null I think its best to exploit it as much as possible in the meantime. Social networking sites are excellent places potentially to hatch plans and plots for the future.

Having a plan ready will definitely reduce stress and ease anxiety, even if its effect is only limitied.

So also, I plan needs to be ready that admits plans don't often work. Creating situational awareness is also critical. In such cases, knowing what to do when communication seems impossible is radically important.
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Another plan I came up with is.If the power is still on. Swap TV remotes with your neighbors. Develop a code book of what different channels mean etc.Get the idea???
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02/17/2009 10:46 AM
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to date we pick up nothing but screaming christians on the broadcast radio and short wave
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If the power is out. Use a laser pointer. Develop with a neighbor a code book of your own mores code. Develop an exact location where to beam the light into their home. Like that one???
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02/17/2009 10:49 AM
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Another plan I came up with is.If the power is still on. Swap TV remotes with your neighbors. Develop a code book of what different channels mean etc.Get the idea???
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Are you a Republican?
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02/17/2009 10:51 AM
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nope just very resourceful.
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02/17/2009 10:55 AM
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Yep, apart from the food and water cleaning systems.
I have high powered radio ham equipment and battries and generator systems inside fully earthed metal boxes for use after anything of this nature happens... Goofy Thum
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I bought a battery operated loud speaker. So i can yell to my neighbors up the street.
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I always think of that scene in Rocky I

Rocky opens the window and yells.

Yo Paulie, your sister is going to be spending the night over here........ If you need her give me a call back....
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nope just very resourceful.
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good luck with that.
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02/17/2009 11:06 AM
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Re: Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
I took it up just one more level by what I did for my car.

I bought an after market distributor w/points,intake manifold,carburetor,mechanical fuel pump, and a siphon hose.

Guess who will have a ride after the pulse.
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02/17/2009 11:14 AM
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I took it up just one more level by what I did for my car.

I bought an after market distributor w/points,intake manifold,carburetor,mechanical fuel pump, and a siphon hose.

Guess who will have a ride after the pulse.
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People with bikes and
anyone with a pre-1972 Land Rover..
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Yes those will work.

For the people that cannot do this. I suggest that you research the model t. basically all you need is a way to put gas into the engine and have a spark. find something that will create a random continuous spark. like a fence charger??

It will run crap but it will beat walking.
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Re: Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.


This is a really good idea. Any preparation for risk emergent large scale should take into account a plan for meeting and/or communication in the event of emergency. Not just immediate family, but friends, relatives, allies and anyone else who "needs to know".

Before (if/when) electronic communications are null I think its best to exploit it as much as possible in the meantime. Social networking sites are excellent places potentially to hatch plans and plots for the future.

Having a plan ready will definitely reduce stress and ease anxiety, even if its effect is only limitied.

So also, I plan needs to be ready that admits plans don't often work. Creating situational awareness is also critical. In such cases, knowing what to do when communication seems impossible is radically important.
 Quoting: Shen Long


Exactly. If I was aware of what family and friends were up to, and they were aware of what I am up to, etc. then plans to try and group together could be made more easily.

Here is another example; say my parents do not believe that shit will hit the fan to the extent of no electronic communications. Shit does hit the fan, and now they are kind of lost as to what to do. So, what are they going to do? Most likely they will do what they are told to do when 'officials' come a knockin'. They get in line, wait for food, wait for water, wait for shelter not knowing that my family and my brother's family, and my sister's family are all on our way (because we decided this before-hand). All the parents had to do is sit tight for awhile (with their stock of rice/beans, water, etc.) and wait it out until other family members and friends group back together.

I can't imagine if they left their house and other family members get there and see that they are gone with know way to communicate or track them down!
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02/17/2009 11:26 AM
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Bicycle - definitely. And some bike mechanics experience would be very helpful.

I've always thought that moto-x or crossover motorcycle would by VERY VALUABLE to have, much more so than trying to maintain a car AND find/pay for fuel?
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02/17/2009 11:29 AM
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How about walkie talkies? What is the range of the most powerful hand held walkie talkie??

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02/17/2009 11:34 AM
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NOTHING works without the phone company....

Nothing....

NOTHING... no credit, no insurance, no cash registers linked to the main brain...

Cash might work at small stores...

but they have to order more stock... no phones, no internet...

I'm looking at some ham radios that will talk all the way around the world...
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Exactly. If I was aware of what family and friends were up to, and they were aware of what I am up to, etc. then plans to try and group together could be made more easily.

Here is another example; say my parents do not believe that shit will hit the fan to the extent of no electronic communications. Shit does hit the fan, and now they are kind of lost as to what to do. So, what are they going to do? Most likely they will do what they are told to do when 'officials' come a knockin'. They get in line, wait for food, wait for water, wait for shelter not knowing that my family and my brother's family, and my sister's family are all on our way (because we decided this before-hand). All the parents had to do is sit tight for awhile (with their stock of rice/beans, water, etc.) and wait it out until other family members and friends group back together.

I can't imagine if they left their house and other family members get there and see that they are gone with know way to communicate or track them down!
 Quoting: Sickscent

Well then it up to you and you alone.Buy the communications device that they will need. Secure it in order to keep it functioning. Bury it win their backyard with out their knowlage with a letter inside of your intent and instructions on how to set it up and use it. Place a letter in a box of food that you know that they have but would not eat unless that was all that they had. Then they will find it and be able to locate the communications device that you left for them.
A word of caution though. A family that is not on the same page as you are as far as preparedness is a danger to you. They will give you up. This is most important. You cannot save everyone.
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NOTHING works without the phone company....

Nothing....

NOTHING... no credit, no insurance, no cash registers linked to the main brain...

Cash might work at small stores...

but they have to order more stock... no phones, no internet...

I'm looking at some ham radios that will talk all the way around the world...
 Quoting: Enigma


This is true. Food will buy more stuff than money.Did you know a simple CB radio will talk around the world. It is called skip. A cb is the cheapest radio to get.You can relay messages via other operators. You need to develop a code book with them in order to send a message that no one will understand, Also you now need to decide your handles (names)so that no one will know who you actually are.
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02/17/2009 11:59 AM
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Please be advised the US military has a contingency for this that will allow them to communicate after such an event, although not to the same extent as before. If the command structure remains intact they will be actively shutting down any 'unauthorized' channels in pursuit of full spectrum dominance. This means you might get whacked shortly after you fire up that transmitter. Therefore any equipment should be located away from people and infrastructure and utilize spread spectrum burst transmission.
 Quoting: minimeister 349970

Good
I like to use a beam antenna and bounce the signal off a place other than where I am actually at.
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02/17/2009 12:06 PM
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Fiber optic cables are immune to EMP/solar flare......
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02/17/2009 12:17 PM
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Fiber optic cables are immune to EMP/solar flare......
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Now that is interesting.
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Re: Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift
One last thing to say then I am off. Did you know that you can use your enemy communication device as well? If you developed a code book ahead of time then this will work.

Then when a message is needed to be broadcast then make an identifying mark on their vehicles. This could consist of say hitting their vehicles with a colored paint ball to correspond to a predetermined code. cool ?

I hope that I have been helpful here today. I hope that you all keep safe.
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Ring church bells to communicate, those of y'all who didn't cave to cheap electronic bells...

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