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Communicating after EMP attack, Solar Flare/Storm, Magnetic Pole Shift

 
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JUPITER IGNITION!!!!!!!


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Fiber optic cables are immune to EMP/solar flare......
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but not the electronics at each end that turns it from light back into electrical signals...

<sigh> you are not as smart as you think you are and half as bright as you let on to be...

ELECTRONICS makes everything work...
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Yeah, yeah. Forgot to include JUPITER IGNITION in my scenario. Love those SOHO pix though.
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Fiber optic cables are immune to EMP/solar flare......



but not the electronics at each end that turns it from light back into electrical signals...

<sigh> you are not as smart as you think you are and half as bright as you let on to be...

ELECTRONICS makes everything work...
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Thats what I came to the conclusion about the fiber optics comment.
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TELEPATHY! The bst form of communication and it's totally FREE!
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But will ham radio gear and CB radios work? Won't the electronics get fried by the pulse? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I have no idea how these things work.
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This is an important thread, and people need to be aware of losing communication with loved ones and friends. It can be as easy as leaving a note to save yourself from being forever seperated from people you care about.
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Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.


This is a really good idea. Any preparation for risk emergent large scale should take into account a plan for meeting and/or communication in the event of emergency. Not just immediate family, but friends, relatives, allies and anyone else who "needs to know".

Before (if/when) electronic communications are null I think its best to exploit it as much as possible in the meantime. Social networking sites are excellent places potentially to hatch plans and plots for the future.

Having a plan ready will definitely reduce stress and ease anxiety, even if its effect is only limitied.

So also, I plan needs to be ready that admits plans don't often work. Creating situational awareness is also critical. In such cases, knowing what to do when communication seems impossible is radically important.
 Quoting: Shen Long


We take communication for granted nowadays. I think of my parents, who are getting up there in age. Well, what if some organization says it is best to leave your home and go to a shelter...and they, not knowing any better, go to the shelter...and they don't leave a note as to where they went.

I, possibly, would never see them again having no clue to where they went! All it would take is a small note.
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hi sickscent...did you get a reply to your e-mail on this subject from the The EMP Commission?
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Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.


This is a really good idea. Any preparation for risk emergent large scale should take into account a plan for meeting and/or communication in the event of emergency. Not just immediate family, but friends, relatives, allies and anyone else who "needs to know".

Before (if/when) electronic communications are null I think its best to exploit it as much as possible in the meantime. Social networking sites are excellent places potentially to hatch plans and plots for the future.

Having a plan ready will definitely reduce stress and ease anxiety, even if its effect is only limitied.

So also, I plan needs to be ready that admits plans don't often work. Creating situational awareness is also critical. In such cases, knowing what to do when communication seems impossible is radically important.


Exactly. If I was aware of what family and friends were up to, and they were aware of what I am up to, etc. then plans to try and group together could be made more easily.

Here is another example; say my parents do not believe that shit will hit the fan to the extent of no electronic communications. Shit does hit the fan, and now they are kind of lost as to what to do. So, what are they going to do? Most likely they will do what they are told to do when 'officials' come a knockin'. They get in line, wait for food, wait for water, wait for shelter not knowing that my family and my brother's family, and my sister's family are all on our way (because we decided this before-hand). All the parents had to do is sit tight for awhile (with their stock of rice/beans, water, etc.) and wait it out until other family members and friends group back together.

I can't imagine if they left their house and other family members get there and see that they are gone with know way to communicate or track them down!
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friend i'm not sure if your example was just that or more a reflection on your personal concern but i suggest if it's the latter you may need to accept that you'll sound a bit crazy , bite the bullet and tell your mum what your thoughts/plans would be, should STHTF

you don't have to go the whole hog, just a plan should the grid go down
you know enough about solar activity and it's vagaries to make that scenario more than credible

mums are usually more perceptive of genuine concern as opposed to crazy talk

i know my parents already have concern that i verge on crazy, fortunately, my brother, whom i can speak freely with , knows i'm not-and eases their worry- although he doesn't agree with my thoughts

not at all

faith that they will be where they are meant to be , when they are meant to be there and that this journey is their's too
might also make this transitory time more peacefuly accepting

good luck
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hi sickscent...did you get a reply to your e-mail on this subject from the The EMP Commission?
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You know what, I never did... I had forgotten about that.

But nope, not even a thanks for your interest note...nothing, nada, zilch, zippo
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Keep 1 UHF radio and 1 CB radio inside a unused microwave oven or as many radios as you can fit. The hull of the microwave over serves as a poor mans Faraday cage.

UHF Radio: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

CB radio: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Why a UHF radio? You will be able to use it immediately after a nuclear EMP event. UHF is not suited for long haul communications or distant communications but it is resistant to the type of interference a nuclear EMP burst produces. UHF is good for local or almost line of sight communications.

Lower frequency radios such as shortwave or CB Citizen Band radios will be useless after a nuclear EMP event.

Interference will be heavy for long distance communications for about 5 hours after the event depending on what altitude the device detonated and frequency range of your equipment.

Long distance shortwave communications depend on the ionosphere as a reflecting medium for radio signals. A nuclear detonation disturbs this atmospheric ionosphere region. As this area calms down, long distance communications will open up. This is when you can use your shortwave equipment or CB radio.

Why CB radio? It is commercially available to everyone, more sophisticated equipment is only available to licensed amateur radio operators (HAMS). You have to a license to purchase the equipment.
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Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.


This is a really good idea. Any preparation for risk emergent large scale should take into account a plan for meeting and/or communication in the event of emergency. Not just immediate family, but friends, relatives, allies and anyone else who "needs to know".

Before (if/when) electronic communications are null I think its best to exploit it as much as possible in the meantime. Social networking sites are excellent places potentially to hatch plans and plots for the future.

Having a plan ready will definitely reduce stress and ease anxiety, even if its effect is only limitied.

So also, I plan needs to be ready that admits plans don't often work. Creating situational awareness is also critical. In such cases, knowing what to do when communication seems impossible is radically important.


Exactly. If I was aware of what family and friends were up to, and they were aware of what I am up to, etc. then plans to try and group together could be made more easily.

Here is another example; say my parents do not believe that shit will hit the fan to the extent of no electronic communications. Shit does hit the fan, and now they are kind of lost as to what to do. So, what are they going to do? Most likely they will do what they are told to do when 'officials' come a knockin'. They get in line, wait for food, wait for water, wait for shelter not knowing that my family and my brother's family, and my sister's family are all on our way (because we decided this before-hand). All the parents had to do is sit tight for awhile (with their stock of rice/beans, water, etc.) and wait it out until other family members and friends group back together.

I can't imagine if they left their house and other family members get there and see that they are gone with know way to communicate or track them down!



friend i'm not sure if your example was just that or more a reflection on your personal concern but i suggest if it's the latter you may need to accept that you'll sound a bit crazy , bite the bullet and tell your mum what your thoughts/plans would be, should STHTF

you don't have to go the whole hog, just a plan should the grid go down
you know enough about solar activity and it's vagaries to make that scenario more than credible

mums are usually more perceptive of genuine concern as opposed to crazy talk

i know my parents already have concern that i verge on crazy, fortunately, my brother, whom i can speak freely with , knows i'm not-and eases their worry- although he doesn't agree with my thoughts

not at all

faith that they will be where they are meant to be , when they are meant to be there and that this journey is their's too
might also make this transitory time more peacefuly accepting

good luck
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1004399


I agree with you. My parents know the whole scenario and call me regularly for any updates. I was using it as a general hypothetical. My Dad is very interested in how all this is playing out. Shit that I told them years ago is all coming to pass, so they, especially my Dad, are VERY interested in making preparations should it truly come down.

Thanks for your thoughts though! But, I got my parents covered.
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Keep 1 UHF radio and 1 CB radio inside a unused microwave oven or as many radios as you can fit. The hull of the microwave over serves as a poor mans Faraday cage.

UHF Radio: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

CB radio: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Why a UHF radio? You will be able to use it immediately after a nuclear EMP event. UHF is not suited for long haul communications or distant communications but it is resistant to the type of interference a nuclear EMP burst produces. UHF is good for local or almost line of sight communications.

Lower frequency radios such as shortwave or CB Citizen Band radios will be useless after a nuclear EMP event.

Interference will be heavy for long distance communications for about 5 hours after the event depending on what altitude the device detonated and frequency range of your equipment.

Long distance shortwave communications depend on the ionosphere as a reflecting medium for radio signals. A nuclear detonation disturbs this atmospheric ionosphere region. As this area calms down, long distance communications will open up. This is when you can use your shortwave equipment or CB radio.

Why CB radio? It is commercially available to everyone, more sophisticated equipment is only available to licensed amateur radio operators (HAMS). You have to a license to purchase the equipment.
 Quoting: Eight Squared 1009134


Excellent information 8squared. Appreciate it.
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good idea about leaving a note if you have to leave, however, it would need to be hidden in prearranged location, so a stranger wont see it as a welcome, come in and rob your house.
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I have told everyone that if any crazy shit happens....get to my Mothers house(wood heat/fresh water/stone cellar/etc)...I of course say it in a "joking" manner...but if shit ever does go down...they will remember hf
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Do you have any step by step farraday cage plans for us dummies?
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good idea about leaving a note if you have to leave, however, it would need to be hidden in prearranged location, so a stranger wont see it as a welcome, come in and rob your house.
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If they got in the house to view the note, they already know your not there and would rob you anyway...with, or without, a note
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I have told everyone that if any crazy shit happens....get to my Mothers house(wood heat/fresh water/stone cellar/etc)...I of course say it in a "joking" manner...but if shit ever does go down...they will remember hf
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LOL, exactly. That's the way I did it.
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I read here on some other thread that you can use a metal trash can. Just wrap everything so that it doesn't touch the can's wall.
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Do you have any step by step farraday cage plans for us dummies?
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Here: [link to www.endtimesreport.com]
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CB:

Spend the extra money and get one that has Single Sideband (SSB). Triples to quadruples one's range. (say from 4 miles to 12 miles ... or if you have a good antenna set up from 6 miles to 20 miles)
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So, has anyone made plans in case electronic communications are lost? I was just thinking of the difficulty of reaching family and friends in the case of an EMP attack, solar flare/storm knocking out satellites, magnetic pole shift, etc.

Some of my family only live 1 hour away, but contacting them would be extremely difficult without a car to travel, and phones not working.

I highly suggest using a pen/pencil and pad of paper...everytime you leave the house, make a note of the day and time of day you left and are expected back and where you went.

If you decide to leave your house to move in with other friends or family, make sure you leave a note with all the information, so it other friends or family know where you went and do not wait around your house wondering if you ever get back.

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I have told everyone that if any crazy shit happens....get to my Mothers house(wood heat/fresh water/stone cellar/etc)...I of course say it in a "joking" manner...but if shit ever does go down...they will remember hf


LOL, exactly. That's the way I did it.
 Quoting: Sickscent


My little sister is 3 hours away at uni and living with my best friend of 20+ years...he knows that his only mission is to get her home if TSHTF! Most importantly, I trust that he would die doing so :)

As the oldest girl in a family with many children, I feel a duty to take care of them all if ever things do get crazy! Sometimes they look at me as though I'm living in a different world, but they trust me, as they should!
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Do you have any step by step farraday cage plans for us dummies?


Here: [link to www.endtimesreport.com]
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Actually, this one is better... [link to preparednesspro.wordpress.com]

But, all you have to do is google it and you will get tons of information on them.
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Do you have any step by step farraday cage plans for us dummies?


Here: [link to www.endtimesreport.com]
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Those won't be good enough. You need to copper shield your entire room, with adequate surge protectors and multiple cage ground pins...
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I have told everyone that if any crazy shit happens....get to my Mothers house(wood heat/fresh water/stone cellar/etc)...I of course say it in a "joking" manner...but if shit ever does go down...they will remember hf


LOL, exactly. That's the way I did it.


My little sister is 3 hours away at uni and living with my best friend of 20+ years...he knows that his only mission is to get her home if TSHTF! Most importantly, I trust that he would die doing so :)

As the oldest girl in a family with many children, I feel a duty to take care of them all if ever things do get crazy! Sometimes they look at me as though I'm living in a different world, but they trust me, as they should!
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That is my role in my family and extended family now.
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Most of us know what we might need, but I was curious if many of us thought about communicating to family or friends. Like having a plan. For example, if this scenario does come round, it might be much better to try and get to my brother's house than attempting to stay at my own. And if plans were made ahead of time, well... the situation could be much more successful than guessing who in your inner circle is going to do what.
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Hola SS.

I'm going to be putting a few items into my rather nifty farraday cage. Including several sets of two way radios with 5ish mile radius. I have a generator and bunches of gas (ok...not bunches, but quite a bit). The generator has a farraday cage around it, too. The generator isn't much, but it will power a few luxury items until the gas is gone. Mostly the generator is for refrigeration and water pump operation. I'm on a deep well and haven't quite figured out how to keep that working AFTER the EMP. ugh.

I'm researching other power schemes, but honestly...nothing seems to be worth the time or money involved. I got a tight budget.

I have "organized" a "compound" of sorts with a few local peeps with varying skill sets. They know that if anything happens to get to ma hizzle asap, and bring the agreed upon resources. I have 6+ clean acres and the neighbor (rusty) and his family got 6+ clean acres. Tree lined with Pecan trees across the road and forest behind us.

The paper and pencil idea works, but assumes that various people will have access to wherever the notes are placed. Communication and transportation are HUGE in trying to create a "community". We use what we got, and the paper/pencil idea seems to be what we got.

As an aside, we noticed in Katrina that various military and health organizations used spray paint on doors...and sharpie on body parts. Not an ideal solution.
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Do you have any step by step farraday cage plans for us dummies?


Here: [link to www.endtimesreport.com]
 Quoting: Sickscent


Thanks! Does anybody know how many volts to plan for from a solar EMP?


"A nuclear ground burst over 200 miles away should only result in 50,000 volts per square centimeter (sc) on your equipment, so the above Faraday cages should work. An air burst within 200 miles can result in up to 100,000 volts per sc, and that would require grounding of any Faraday cage to a separate ground rod well away from any house ground rods. An enhanced EMP weapon exploded at 200 miles elevation can yield over 120,000 volts per sc within up to 600 miles below the detonation point, and that would definitely require insulated metal boxes which are grounded. Remember, in the battle of warhead versus armor, the warhead usually wins, as the warhead can be made bigger. However, for those who build simple Faraday cages and live in an area not likely to receive a direct or close nuclear attack, the foil cages described should work. Those under a direct or close nuclear attack would probably not survive to use their electronic equipment in any case."
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Those won't be good enough. You need to copper shield your entire room, with adequate surge protectors and multiple cage ground pins...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 945421


Hmmm, why surge protectors? The grid goes down...well.

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