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***Pope Benedict strongly rebukes Pelosi over abortion-"House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s photo-op with Pope Benedict XVI turned sour..."

 
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wow, not as many will be making vatican trips i guess
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Pope Rebukes Pelosi, Tells Her Catholic Legislators Obligated to Protect Life

"Such encounters with the Pope are treasured by politicians for the photo opportunity they provide.

Pelosi, however, was not afforded that customary photo by the Vatican. The AP reports that the Vatican said it was not issuing a photo of the meeting -- as it usually does when the pope meets world leaders -- saying the encounter was private.

For her part, Pelosi issued a press release on the 15-minute meeting with the Pope. "It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI today," she said. "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger, and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel."

The release from the Vatican, however, made no mention of the comments that Pelosi stressed in her release.

Pelosi's positive spin on the meeting is not being swallowed even by left-leaning Papal watchers. Vatican correspondent John Allen, who writes for the National Catholic Reporter, noted that "routine Vatican declarations after diplomatic meetings also generally sum up the range of issues discussed rather than concentrating on a particular point. In that sense, the statement can only be read as a rejection of Pelosi's statements last summer, and, in general, of her argument that it's acceptable for Catholics in public life to take a pro-choice position."


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she should decide what religion she agrees with
and go to their buildings
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she should decide what religion she agrees with
and go to their buildings
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True...why try to create a hockey team i you really want to play basketball?
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"A spokesman for Pelosi, who is now headed to Southern Italy as part of her Italian tour, said she would issue a statement later in the day regarding her meeting with the Pope."

I guess we'll see in her 'statement' whether or not she decides to put a liberal, pro abortion spin on the meeting.
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It wasn't a STRONG rebuke.
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"A spokesman for Pelosi, who is now headed to Southern Italy as part of her Italian tour, said she would issue a statement later in the day regarding her meeting with the Pope."

I guess we'll see in her 'statement' whether or not she decides to put a liberal, pro abortion spin on the meeting.
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This is her statement:


"It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI today.

"In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the church’s leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father’s dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel.

"I was proud to show His Holiness a photograph of my family’s papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren."



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It wasn't a STRONG rebuke.
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"Vatican correspondent John Allen, who writes for the National Catholic Reporter, noted that "routine Vatican declarations after diplomatic meetings also generally sum up the range of issues discussed rather than concentrating on a particular point. In that sense, the statement can only be read as a rejection of Pelosi's statements last summer, and, in general, of her argument that it's acceptable for Catholics in public life to take a pro-choice position."

Allen also noted that "by issuing an unusual public statement after the session with Pelosi -- which insisted that all Catholics, including legislators, are obliged to work for the defense of human life from conception to natural death -- the pope also made clear there will no let-up in the pressure on pro-choice Catholic politicians to change their ways."


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Picture:

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It wasn't a STRONG rebuke.


"Vatican correspondent John Allen, who writes for the National Catholic Reporter, noted that "routine Vatican declarations after diplomatic meetings also generally sum up the range of issues discussed rather than concentrating on a particular point. In that sense, the statement can only be read as a rejection of Pelosi's statements last summer, and, in general, of her argument that it's acceptable for Catholics in public life to take a pro-choice position."

Allen also noted that "by issuing an unusual public statement after the session with Pelosi -- which insisted that all Catholics, including legislators, are obliged to work for the defense of human life from conception to natural death -- the pope also made clear there will no let-up in the pressure on pro-choice Catholic politicians to change their ways."


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Go read CATHOLIC news sites now, not LIESITE news which has LIED about the Pope before.Catholic news said "gentle." Interesting, no?

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It wasn't a STRONG rebuke.


"Vatican correspondent John Allen, who writes for the National Catholic Reporter, noted that "routine Vatican declarations after diplomatic meetings also generally sum up the range of issues discussed rather than concentrating on a particular point. In that sense, the statement can only be read as a rejection of Pelosi's statements last summer, and, in general, of her argument that it's acceptable for Catholics in public life to take a pro-choice position."

Allen also noted that "by issuing an unusual public statement after the session with Pelosi -- which insisted that all Catholics, including legislators, are obliged to work for the defense of human life from conception to natural death -- the pope also made clear there will no let-up in the pressure on pro-choice Catholic politicians to change their ways."


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Go read CATHOLIC news sites now, not LIESITE news which has LIED about the Pope before.Catholic news said "gentle." Interesting, no?

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The first source is a Catholic source:

[link to www.catholicnewsagency.com]

They are both right! The pope uses a gentle, diplomatic way to make a strong statement.
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...as far as what went on behind closed doors, I'd bet money that he tried to perform an emergency exorcism, and her head spun around a few times, while laughing maniacally.
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...as far as what went on behind closed doors, I'd bet money that he tried to perform an emergency exorcism, and her head spun around a few times, while laughing maniacally.
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This is just a taste of what is coming. Many do not realize the extent to which the Vatican is behind the New World Order. The Vatican has a completely different meaning in mind when it uses the terms liberty and human rights.

In his apostolic letter: Ad Tuendam Fidem, May 18, 1998, John Paul mentioned canon 1436.1 which says, “One who denies a truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or who calls it into doubt… is to be punished as a heretic or an apostate with major excommunication…

"The Roman Catholic Church, convinced, through its divine prerogatives, of being the only true church, must demand the right to freedom for herself alone, because such a right can only be possessed by truth, never by error. As to other religions, the church will require that by legitimate means they shall not be allowed to propagate false doctrine. Consequently, in a state where the majority of the people are Catholic, the church will require that legal existence be denied to error, and that if religious minorities actually exist, they shall have only a de facto existence without opportunity to spread their beliefs. If, however, actual circumstances, either due to government hostility or the strength of the dissenting groups, makes the complete application of this principle impossible, then the [Catholic) church wilt require for herself all possible concessions, limiting herself to accept, as a minor evil, the de jure toleration of other forms of worship. In some countries Catholics will be obliged to ask full religious freedom for all, resigned at being forced to cohabitate where they alone should rightfully be allowed to live." —F. Cavalli, S.J., in Ia Civilt Cattolica (a Jesuit organ published at Rome), April, 1948, quoted in an editorial in The Christian Century, June 23, 1948, p. 623.

This is insightful from a book called, The Great Controversy:

The Roman Catholic Church, with all its ramifications throughout the world, forms one vast organization under the control, and designed to serve the interests, of the papal see. Its millions of communicants, in every country on the globe, are instructed to hold themselves as bound in allegiance to the pope. Whatever their nationality or their government, they are to regard the authority of the church as above all other. Though they may take the oath pledging their loyalty to the state, yet back of this lies the vow of obedience to Rome, absolving them from every pledge inimical to her interests.

History testifies of her artful and persistent efforts to insinuate herself into the affairs of nations; and having gained a foothold, to further her own aims, even at the ruin of princes and people. In the year 1204, Pope Innocent III extracted from Peter II, king of Arragon, the following extraordinary oath: "I, Peter, king of Arragonians, profess and promise to be ever faithful and obedient to my lord, Pope Innocent, to his Catholic successors, and the Roman Church, and faithfully to preserve my kingdom in his obedience, defending the Catholic faith, and persecuting heretical pravity." --John Dowling, The History of Romanism, b. 5, ch. 6, sec. 55. This is in harmony with the claims regarding the power of the Roman pontiff "that it is lawful for him to depose emperors" and "that he can absolve subjects from their allegiance to unrighteous rulers."-Mosheim, b. 3, cent. 11, pt. 2, ch. 2, sec. 9, note 17.
And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And had she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries....Rome is aiming to re-establish her power, to recover her lost supremacy. Let the principle once be established in the United States that the church may employ or control the power of the state; that religious observances may be enforced by secular laws; in short, that the authority of church and state is to dominate the conscience, and the triumph of Rome in this country is assured.
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Interesting on the topic:

In the Vatican, Ratzinger was one of the driving forces behind the crackdown on Liberation Theology and he was one of the chief architects of the Roman Church's alliance with the American New World Order System. Indeed, Sidney Blumenthal credits Bush's victory over Senator John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election to the machinations of Cardinal Ratzinger. Blumenthal writes:

"President Bush treated his final visit with Pope John Paul II in Vatican City on June 4, 2004, as a campaign stop ... Bush lobbied Vatican officials to help him win the election. 'Not all the American bishops are with me', he complained, according to the National Catholic Reporter. He pleaded with the Vatican to pressure the bishops to step up their activism ... [in his favor] ...

"About a week later, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger sent a letter to the U.S. bishops, pronouncing that those Catholics who were pro-choice on abortion were committing a 'grave sin' and must be denied Communion. He pointedly mentioned 'the case of a Catholic politician campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws' - an obvious reference to John Kerry, the Democratic candidate and a Roman Catholic. If such a Catholic politician sought Communion, Ratzinger wrote, priests must be ordered to 'refuse to distribute it'. Any Catholic who voted for this 'Catholic politician', he continued, 'would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion'. During the closing weeks of the campaign, a pastoral letter was read from pulpits in Catholic churches repeating the ominous suggestion of excommunication. Voting for the Democrat was nothing less than consorting with the forces of Satan, a collaboration with 'evil'."
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The first source is a Catholic source:

[link to www.catholicnewsagency.com]

They are both right! The pope uses a gentle, diplomatic way to make a strong statement.
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LIESITE is NOT a Catholic source. It's been caught many times LYING about the news. Just go read about its Harry Potter debacle.
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So where is the excommunication?
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The first source is a Catholic source:

[link to www.catholicnewsagency.com]

They are both right! The pope uses a gentle, diplomatic way to make a strong statement.


LIESITE is NOT a Catholic source. It's been caught many times LYING about the news. Just go read about its Harry Potter debacle.
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As you probable can see, the link to the first article which is quoted is not Lifesite, but Catholic News Agency. Later in this thread I added other sources, including Lifesite.
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Nancy Pelosi tries to spin meeting with Pope Benedict


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Pope is leader of New world order

vatican and Jesuits control the Nights templars, mafia, illuminati...etc


he is in charge....of the pyramid

learn about one world religion is what all this economic collapse is about
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...as far as what went on behind closed doors, I'd bet money that he tried to perform an emergency exorcism, and her head spun around a few times, while laughing maniacally.
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lol
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Pope is leader of New world order

vatican and Jesuits control the Nights templars, mafia, illuminati...etc


he is in charge....of the pyramid

learn about one world religion is what all this economic collapse is about
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bull fucking shit.
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Pope is leader of New world order

vatican and Jesuits control the Nights templars, mafia, illuminati...etc


he is in charge....of the pyramid

learn about one world religion is what all this economic collapse is about
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That´s what the llluminati wants you to believe...

but...

"Illuminati oath"

"I renounce the Holy Trinity, the Crucifixional Sacrifice of the Roman Catholic Religion.

I renounce the belief in one God. I give up all secrets which are not revealed by the Spirit (Satan), and also the works, which do not originate from him.

I give voluntarily to him, all of myself, my body, and my soul!

I beg him to take exclusive possession of his ruling domain, my mind, my will, and my thinking.

I call upon him to live and act in me as I also live and act in him.

In his name, I curse Christ! the only true Catholic Church, and all His Sacraments!"


Illuminati oath

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Were Pelosi and Pope at Same Meeting?

"George Weigel writing at The Corner wonders if Nancy Pelosi and Pope Benedict XVI were at the same meeting. From their respective press releases, one would think not:
Were Benedict XVI and Nancy Pelosi in the same meeting, or even in the same city, this morning?

Charity requires that one concede the possibility that genuine piety was a part of Pelosi’s (rather boorish, and certainly irregular) insistence on being given a private moment with the pope during her current taxpayer-funded junket to Rome. But her office’s statement on today’s meeting makes it clear something else was afoot: that Pelosi, who shamelessly trumpets her “ardent” Catholicism while leading congressional Democrats in a continuing assault on what the Catholic Church regards as the inalienable human rights of the unborn, was trying to recruit Benedict XVI (“Joseph Ratzinger, D., Bavaria”?) to Team Nancy.

His Holiness wasn’t buying it."


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