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Arcadia had a population of 443 with 183 housing units; a land area land area of 0.98 sq. miles; a water area of 0 sq. miles; ...
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This is something straight out of "Jericho" TV show.
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I was military police, (years ago) and I am all for realistic training, but I do find this a bit disconcerting, after all why not do this sort of training on an actual military base, they have housing, roads, vehicles, and everything towns and cities have. I don’t see the reason for doing this sort of training in the public arena, and believe it to be a dangerous and unnecessary exercise

In most cases I side with the military, but this does leave a bit of bad taste in my mouth and I believe it to be ill conceived, and I would bet it is stopped by wiser more thoughtful people before it actually occurs.
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I knew a guy that had 22 years in the military and was in special ops. He served in Afganistan,Iraq,and Pananama.

Granted he was a little unstable at times.But.....


He said all this was going to happen very soon a few years back.He was personally ready.Including bomb shelter and enough food for years.

He thought Obama would become president and his "assasination"(possibly staged) would be the final straw that triggers the "civil war/ revolution".

He said the Fema camps and death trains are real and ready.

He said the government is totally control and funding the illeagal drug trade. He said thats how they got a lot of their funds for black ops.

Could this be the excuse?

Some "right winger conspiracy theorist" pulls the trigger on the president and then they have the perfect excuse to take all the guns.
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I was military police, (years ago) and I am all for realistic training, but I do find this a bit disconcerting, after all why not do this sort of training on an actual military base, they have housing, roads, vehicles, and everything towns and cities have. I don’t see the reason for doing this sort of training in the public arena, and believe it to be a dangerous and unnecessary exercise

In most cases I side with the military, but this does leave a bit of bad taste in my mouth and I believe it to be ill conceived, and I would bet it is stopped by wiser more thoughtful people before it actually occurs.
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A bit disconcerting.I was an army infantry officer and if anybody knocks on my door looking for weapons they're fucking dead.It's acclimating people to take our guns and I will fight them.
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Arcadia had a population of 443 with 183 housing units; a land area land area of 0.98 sq. miles; a water area of 0 sq. miles; ...
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yeppers.
figure most will sign up for the excitement, you know, wow! we got to be part of a military drill!!

seriously.
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I hope they don't fuck that up. If it accidentally goes live, Arcadia be the new Waco or Ruby Ridge.
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If they want your guns ,they will just come,push you down, and take them from you and there's not a damn thing you will be able to do about it.

just ask these folks...

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I don't think so. When that 06 barks, your head is going to split open like a fucking melon. I'm not going to wait for you to knock on my door. You'll be dead standing down the road a my neighbors home. And don't think your POS body armor is going to save you. Your gonna fucking die, count on it.
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I keep wondering when the military, police, etc. is going to wake up and realize WHO they're protecting; that the bogeyman, "terrorist", drug dealer is their BOSS. Are they REALLY going to confiscate guns, ammo and shoot their own country folk just to protect the very bastards who have been robbing, controlling and lying to their very own families and neighbors??
They really need to wake the fuck up!
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Unfortunately, there are too many that will get there rocks off doing something like this. And there are some that believe that when this time comes, foreign troops will be used to "execute" the plan.
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Time to bury some guns. What makes our politicians and the NWO(Europeans) so dumb that they think that even none gun owners aren't going to be mad when soldiers and cops demand to be allowed into their houses?
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Hearing rumors of the Texas National Guard being placed on alert by the Governor to possibly deal with the Mexican situation on the border. Anyone know any one in the Texas National Guard who can verify whether this is true or not?
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I know the Border Patrol is out in my Ranch right now, Mexicans are fleeing Mexico in vast numbers as of today

Van Horn, TX ((Chihauhaun Desert)
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Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

By BUTCH HEMAN

The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a four-day exercise at Arcadia.

The purpose of the April 2-5 drill will be to gather intelligence, then search for and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company.

Citizens, law enforcement, media and other supporters will participate.

Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer.

The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of the arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect.

Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

"Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

"One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

During this phase of the operation, troops will interact with residents and media while implementing crowd-control measures and possibly treating and evacuating injured persons.

The unit will use a Blackhawk helicopter for overhead command and control, and to simulate medevacs.

The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.

Alpha Company will conduct a review of the drill on Sunday, April 5.

A meeting to give residents more information and accept volunteers will be held 7 p.m. Monday, March 2, in the Arcadia American Legion hall.

Kots said the exercise will replace Alpha Company's weekend drill for April.

"We have a lot of extended drills this coming year," he added.

In addition to surveillance, searching and apprehension, the exercise will also give the troops valuable experience in stability, support, patrol, traffic control, vehicle searches and other skills needed for deployment in an urban environment.

"This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

The pre-drill work with residents is as important at the drill itself.

"It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," said Kots. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing."

"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."
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bsflag This is a Damn bsflag lie I am National Guard this isnt happening.
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The thing these idiot feds don't realize is that those of us who have registered weapons also have unregistered weapons in the event that they do come around to confiscate guns.

My advice...get one registered weapon, and have 3 or 4 unregistered ones hidden on your property.

Protect yourself.
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I agree with you. However, I'd like to suggest that bury one's firearms on one's own land may not be the best idea especially if you have one that is registered. Burying your firearm on state forest land would be a much larger land area that would be nearly impossible to completely search. Just take a gun or two with on your camping/hiking trip and bury it far off the beaten path.

Either that or bury it in your local government a$$ sucker's backyard if you think you can get away with it.
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Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

"Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.
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In accordance with their wishes, for now...
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bsflag This is a Damn bsflag lie I am National Guard this isnt happening.
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Here is the link to the actual local newspaper article DUMBASS!

[link to www.carrollspaper.com]
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You guys are so stupid!

The hints are everywhere, the GOV is going to LAUNCH a dictatorship because they have been TOLD by the ELITE that this is the best approach to PROTECT you all!

You guys will loose your guns, freedom, constitution and a lot more! You will starve without a job and a lot more!

JOIN THE REVOLUTION AND WAKE UP!
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Geez, I was going to contact you and sign up, to be a proud soldier just like you.

Unfortunately, I couldn't. You're an anonymous coward.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

By BUTCH HEMAN

The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a four-day exercise at Arcadia.

The purpose of the April 2-5 drill will be to gather intelligence, then search for and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company.

Citizens, law enforcement, media and other supporters will participate.

Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer.

The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of the arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect.

Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

"Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

"One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

During this phase of the operation, troops will interact with residents and media while implementing crowd-control measures and possibly treating and evacuating injured persons.

The unit will use a Blackhawk helicopter for overhead command and control, and to simulate medevacs.

The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.

Alpha Company will conduct a review of the drill on Sunday, April 5.

A meeting to give residents more information and accept volunteers will be held 7 p.m. Monday, March 2, in the Arcadia American Legion hall.

Kots said the exercise will replace Alpha Company's weekend drill for April.

"We have a lot of extended drills this coming year," he added.

In addition to surveillance, searching and apprehension, the exercise will also give the troops valuable experience in stability, support, patrol, traffic control, vehicle searches and other skills needed for deployment in an urban environment.

"This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

The pre-drill work with residents is as important at the drill itself.

"It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," said Kots. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing."

"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."

bsflag This is a Damn bsflag lie I am National Guard this isnt happening.
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Was about to call you a bad name, but you may be right. I've checked thru this site and see nothing on the exercise in question:

[link to www.ngb.army.mil]
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"residents wishes"? What the hell does that mean? "Officer..that man on the corner probably has guns and bombs cause he shot a der last year and has a flag hainging outside and his son has aloud muffler on his Jeep so I think you should check him real good cause he may have some of them armorpoercing hollowpoint copkiller bullets and dineymite er some of them torpedos er something and I thought you were'nt s'posed to own guns if'n you had kids....oh I just hate them ol' guns and carryin' on WE DON"T own any guns cause we have kids in our house"!....so the global whiners will now be determining probable cause of exigency for a warrantless earch for an item that the ownership of is protected by the alleged constitutuion f the US of Amerika. Maybe we should just send our military on some fool's errand aroud the world foor some rich people stead...oh we already did...never mind. Wellone thing which may be of comfort...the "residents who wish INRE others exercise of their rights may be the first to be raped, eaten burnt at the stake when TSHTF and the de-gunned ones get to watch and yell at them aout "If we still hhad our guns...you wouldn't be getting that done to you bitch"!
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Was about to call you a bad name, but you may be right. I've checked thru this site and see nothing on the exercise in question:

[link to www.ngb.army.mil]
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How do u know for sure and why would this have been published
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I keep wondering when the military, police, etc. is going to wake up and realize WHO they're protecting; that the bogeyman, "terrorist", drug dealer is their BOSS. Are they REALLY going to confiscate guns, ammo and shoot their own country folk just to protect the very bastards who have been robbing, controlling and lying to their very own families and neighbors??
They really need to wake the fuck up!


Unfortunately, there are too many that will get there rocks off doing something like this. And there are some that believe that when this time comes, foreign troops will be used to "execute" the plan.
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In my 28thh yearr of LE iin a soouthern state. Iknow of VERY few officers who behave as the ones maligned ( and maybe rightly so on this forum) and the few that exist are the shaved heaed, wanna-be airborne rangers/green beret cops which do not understand that just because we have guns and uniforms does not mean that we are or should be synonymous with the military which exists for a totally different purpose and the 2 should almost never be mixed at all unless you have cops fighting Chi-com paratroppers which would not last too ong. Most ALL cops i know also know that the day you lose your rights is the day they lose theirs. It is a foolish man who cuts his own thraoat along with other t please a politwhore. e say the same things to each other about TSHTF as are openly discussed here everyday and share the same concerns as we ain't going gently ito that good night either. Any regime that would send us to do this to people would do it to us the next day. I live in your community, I speak to your wife and kids at the Pggly Wiggly, i watch you kids pla ball with mine and i loan you my weedeater whn your is in the shop. The renegade cops are few relatively speaking and we don't spppreciate their asinine antics diparaging us any more that you appreciate the way they treat you. you have rights if you don;t knowe whatthhey are i will tell you hether you are in cuffs under arrest or not. We have as much at stake as anybody else in Amerika and will probably be in the shit firt when they actually try to implement this kind of shit. we have been talking about shooting little 308/1000 or 223/1000 inch holes inn blue helmets for 20 years or so...especially since slick Willie toook office and particularly since SOME feds did the randy Weaver debacle based on lies, unprofessional conduct and criminal perjorative staements to obtain warrants as well as an intentional policy of escalating something that could have been handles easily or better still not at all while entrapping this man for unpopular ideaology. Same with Waco. God blesss the Bill Of Rights!!Forgive my typos I am really mad at this latest cluster fuck by Guv'mint!!!
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I cannot imagine that bull either. Nor the stupidity of soldier wanting to look in mother Hubbard's cupboard. what a waste of soldier duty and how pathetic of them. May scorpions I sometimes have run about my cupboards bite their asses.
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The thing these idiot feds don't realize is that those of us who have registered weapons also have unregistered weapons in the event that they do come around to confiscate guns.

My advice...get one registered weapon, and have 3 or 4 unregistered ones hidden on your property.

Protect yourself.


I agree with you. However, I'd like to suggest that bury one's firearms on one's own land may not be the best idea especially if you have one that is registered. Burying your firearm on state forest land would be a much larger land area that would be nearly impossible to completely search. Just take a gun or two with on your camping/hiking trip and bury it far off the beaten path.

Either that or bury it in your local government a$$ sucker's backyard if you think you can get away with it.
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Many states do not have any registration and there is no such except the form 4473 filled out when it is purchased IF it was from a gunstore. As an aside NEVER EVER look sheepishly at a cop and say...uh I have this here gun...but it ain't regt'red". What an idiotic thing to do cause if your state r city has regitration w you have just made a voluntary staement admitting to a possible felony....I have had this happen many times and have had to explain just how stupid it is. ALSO NEVER EVER apologize to a cop ( or at least not to me) because you have a firearm or cary permit. ( I personally think there should be no such thing and unless you are a dangerous felon or pervert or a threat to the community you should be able to carry concealed without gov'mint permission. Especially do not feel like you have to offer an explanation as to why you are in legal posession of a handgun or any gun. In my state we don't think much about citizens owning guns like my MOTHER. SISTER DDADDY, BROTHER GRANDPARENTS etc. The shitheads have them anyway they always have and will and would cheerfully kill you in washington DC despite the social engineers machunations in that fair precint of debauchery, lies, theft and whores in 1000 dollars suits. Don;t assume that every cop is like me INRE your rights and some will burn you to loo good to TPTB especially thhe farther north you go IE NYNY ( A la Blloiersburg that faggot!) or Boston where it is safe to wealk down any street at 1 AM oh wait! It's NOT!!! I would like for someone topost a cpy of George Washington's or Thomas Jefferson's carry permit. I have found a number of relatives in my ancestry search who signed the Declaration of Independence and fought the British in 1775 and 1812 and the Yankee and yanks in 1861-65 ( my people just can't get along with any0damn-body ). Our freeedom wudn't won with a registered gun and if Geo III had not sent to take away the guns and/or powder in 1775 OUR ancestors would not have had to meet them at Lexington and Concord. We may still be having tea att 4 PM and having to buy tapms for everything. if thhey kill me...I have a bettter place to go. Everybody in Govmint service never ever needs to know everything about your life
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I would never bury a gun. This is supposed to be America, Land of the Free. I live accordingly.

If it's time to bury them, it's time to use them.
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I would never bury a gun. This is supposed to be America, Land of the Free. I live accordingly.

If it's time to bury them, it's time to use them.
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+1.

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A bit disconcerting.I was an army infantry officer and if anybody knocks on my door looking for weapons they're fucking dead.It's acclimating people to take our guns and I will fight them.
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If you were infantry, then you should know that a bunch of yokels stands no chance against a well trained, well supplied infantry unit.

UNLESS THEY HAVE PITCHFORKS!!!

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Realistically, the troops are probably training for Afghanistan. They can't send them over to the sandpit while they're untrained. Terry Taliban will slaughter them. They have to be trained first. It makes sense to train them in USA.
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The thing these idiot feds don't realize is that those of us who have registered weapons also have unregistered weapons in the event that they do come around to confiscate guns.

My advice...get one registered weapon, and have 3 or 4 unregistered ones hidden on your property.

Protect yourself.
 Quoting: GlennQuagmire



If they come to get them registered or not, it's already on!
It will only take a few incidents before door to door anything will become a very dangerous business.
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The thing these idiot feds don't realize is that those of us who have registered weapons also have unregistered weapons in the event that they do come around to confiscate guns.

My advice...get one registered weapon, and have 3 or 4 unregistered ones hidden on your property.

Protect yourself.
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Dont underestimate the technology being used against you

They have that anti-counterfeit-protection strip in money and can count your cash with some satellite
what makes you think they cant use same theory as face recognition software to 'see' your guns from the sky?


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This drill is programming bull crap
TPTB in this scenario would easily know perfectly well where a stash of weapons was with far less man hours looking at a monitor screen

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