SOMEBODY HELP ME!! I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT BULLSHIT!

SNAP OUT OF IT, RETARD.

juat one tool in the
that specific one world order agenda
for they are a unified consciouness
avoiding the inevability of their kind
it was created to indoctrinate the lesser species

A couple of books that will convince you the Bible is indeed very real:

"Mystery of the Ages"
and
"The United States and Britain in Prophecy"

Very well written. Easy to understand.
They are both available free upon request.
Google either of those titles, and you will get info on how to order.
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What was The Gospel of Yahshua/Jesus? What did He teach to His disciples? What Message did He send with His appointed disciples to the Lost Tribes of Israel? Who and where are those Lost Tribes?

Near the end of his life, Herbert W. Armstrong wrote a book, “Mystery of the Ages”, which was a culmination of his life’s work. In it, he answers these and many other questions. He takes us step by step through the Scriptures, citing scripture after scripture, prophecy after prophecy, all pointing to today’s world – the end of the sixth millennium, and into the seventh millennium.

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I agree with you, those two books are amazing. Sites like thetrumpet.com and hwacompendium have them free online.
OP, also, if you have never heard about what Ivan Panin discovered, google his name and be more amazed, his findings have never been debunked.
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Somebody tear some holes in this please, it's over my head and I think I am starting to believe!!!

The Old Testament, written over a 1,000 year period, contains over 300 references to the coming Messiah. All of these were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies --- the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in one hundred trillion!

To illustrate this: If we take 100 trillion silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, they would be two feet deep.

Now we paint one of these silver dollars blue, and stir the whole mass thoroughly --- all over the state.

Now blindfold a man and let him travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick only one silver dollar. What chance would he have of picking the blue one?

The same chance that the prophets would have of writing just eight of these prophecies and having them all come true for any one man.

and there's more prophecy just as baffling!

is this is why the 'bible is not bullshit'?

SNAP OUT OF IT, RETARD.



thanks for the slap, I needed that!

but I need to know why it's/I am retarded

very easy to click an icon

tough to give a good answer.

A couple of books that will convince you the Bible is indeed very real:

"Mystery of the Ages"
and
"The United States and Britain in Prophecy"

Very well written. Easy to understand.
They are both available free upon request.
Google either of those titles, and you will get info on how to order.
...
What was The Gospel of Yahshua/Jesus? What did He teach to His disciples? What Message did He send with His appointed disciples to the Lost Tribes of Israel? Who and where are those Lost Tribes?

Near the end of his life, Herbert W. Armstrong wrote a book, “Mystery of the Ages”, which was a culmination of his life’s work. In it, he answers these and many other questions. He takes us step by step through the Scriptures, citing scripture after scripture, prophecy after prophecy, all pointing to today’s world – the end of the sixth millennium, and into the seventh millennium.

...

I agree with you, those two books are amazing. Sites like thetrumpet.com and hwacompendium have them free online.
OP, also, if you have never heard about what Ivan Panin discovered, google his name and be more amazed, his findings have never been debunked.
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Thanks, C.c, for confirming my suggestion.
I truly wish everyone would read these two books!
It's like the Bible is a giant jigsaw puzzle, and Mr. Armstrong put the pieces together. Not an easy task! It took him his whole life to do so.
I and many others believe Mr. Armstrng was a true prophet for today's world.

OP,

Here's a long but interesting read
from Cutting Edge Ministries,

Title: THE THREE WISE MEN WHO CAME TO WORSHIP JESUS -- HOW DID THEY KNOW WHEN TO COME?

Resources to aid your Understanding


Subtitle: How did these "Magi", these astrologers, know that this star in the heavens they suddenly saw carried prophetic significance? One of the little known facts is that these Magi set out because they recognized the star carried Messianic prophetic implications! As we study Daniel 9:24-25, we realize how significant this subject is for today, for us, as we await the appearance of Antichrist. Prepare to be shocked, and enlightened.

The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!

Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones!

Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again.


YOU ARE NOW ON

THE CUTTING EDGE

How did the Wise Men know that the star they saw in the Heavens was so special that they set out on a very long journey on camels to go present gifts to the coming King? Wait a minute!! Who told them about a King? Further, these men were not even Jews; they were pagan worshippers of Zoroaster!

How could they have known anything about the impending birth of the Jewish Messiah that had been prophesied for so many years? If we jump almost 33 years later, we see Jesus weeping over the people of Israel, cursing them because they had not recognized Him as Messiah. Jesus said, "[these horrible judgments will come upon you] because you did not know or recognize the time of your visitation." (Luke 19:44)

We will show that Jesus had every right to expect the people would know when He would appear, because He had revealed the precious timing secret over 600 years before His birth to a prophet named Daniel.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PROPHECY IN ALL THE BIBLE

The fact that Daniel was a high official of the royal government of Babylon is highly significant in our study, because only high government officials or high religious leaders had access to books. There was no printing press at that time. The three Wise Men were scholars and therefore had access to the writings of Daniel. Further, the three Wise Men were Magi, which was an order of the Pagan Medo-Persian religious order of Zoroaster.(1) The Magi were ancient interpreters of dreams and were astrologers (monthly prognosticators), enchanters, sorcerers, and magicians.

As we have studied the plan to produce Antichrist -- New World Order -- we have realized the terrible importance of Zoroasterianism. One Black Magick Satanist emailed me in 1999 to tell me that I had better understand Zoroasterianism if I could fully understand the coming Antichrist; he further stated that the Antichrist will have his own "bible", and it was a book written by Friedrich Nietzsche, called, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra". I bought the book and have it in my library today.

The founder of this mystic group of Black Magick practitioners was "Zarathustra", and is pictured many different ways. Many occultists believe Antichrist will be a reincarnation of Zarathustra. Thus can you see the significance of the "Magi" that came to Jesus' following the Star of Bethlehem being the pagan followers of Zarathustra! Remember, the Bible teaches that God commands even the demonic host and that He many times uses evil spirits to fulfill His prophecies [Revelation 16:13-14]

We believe it likely that God used these pagan Magi to recognize the prophetic times, even though His Chosen People, to whom God gave the prophecy in the first place, had long since ignored and forgotten it. We shall study how these "Wise Men" of the Babylonian King came to the point where they fully believed in this specific timetable for the appearance of the Jewish Christ, Jesus.

THE KINGS DREAM THAT PRODUCED THE PROPHECY

King Nebuchadnezzar called the the magi "Wise Men" because they had convinced him they could give him the best advice and interpret any dream. However, today, we would call them witches. Whenever any pagan king of that day conquered another nation, he would take their best young men and their best "Wise Men" to his court to advise him.

We see them in the Bible in the court of the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. In fact, the Magi held Daniel in very high esteem, because he had saved the lives of the Magi of Daniel's day. You remember the story:

King Nebuchadnezzar had a horrifying dream sent to him from God, a dream he could neither remember the details nor what it meant. The King gathered together all his "Wise Men", including Daniel, and demanded they tell him what the dream was and what it meant. He threatened all the Wise Men with death if they could not tell him what he dreamed and what it meant. As the King's soldiers were rounding up all the Wise Men to put them to death, Daniel asked for a one-day extension. That night, after much prayer from Daniel and his three friends, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, that God would reveal the dream to Daniel. God did, and King Nebuchadnezzar spared the lives of Daniel, his three friends, and all the Magi. [Daniel 2:1-19]

From that moment on, the Magi revered Daniel and his God-given insights greatly. They did not become believers in God as the only god of the universe; rather, they believed Him to be the most powerful god of that time period, and certainly very powerful during any age. They still remained polytheists.

But, they knew of all Daniel's writings, undoubtedly had copies of the Book of Daniel, and they knew of the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27. At the time of the appearance of the Star, they knew they were within a lifetime of this prophecy coming to pass. When they saw the Star, their knowledge of this remarkably precise prophecy, plus the promptings of the Holy Spirit, caused them to embark on the very long journey to Israel to pay their homage to the Jewish Messiah.

Let us now consider this amazing prophecy from the wonderful book of Daniel.

We are going to study the prophecy concerning the timing of the coming of Jesus Christ, given in unbelievable detail 600 years before Jesus was born. You will see that God foretold to the exact day when the Jews would be officially presented their long-awaited Messiah! [Fulfilled to the letter, Matthew 21:1-11]

GOD'S UNPARALLELED MATHEMATICAL PROPHECY

Daniel 9:24-26:"Seventy weeks of years, or 490 years are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city Jerusalem, to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint a holy of holies. Know, therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until the coming of the anointed one, a prince, shall be seven weeks of years, and sixty-two weeks of years; it shall be built again with city square and moat, but in troublous times. And after the 62 weeks of years, shall the anointed one be cut off (killed) and shall have nothing and no one belonging to and defending Him..."

The remaining one week is found in verse 27, and refers to the last seven years of earth's history, the period which we know as the "Great Tribulation".

The term "Weeks of Years" was a common Jewish term. It meant literally seven (7) years. The term comes from God's commandment in Leviticus 25:3-4 to farm a piece of land for only six years, allowing it to lie fallow for the seventh. This seven-year period came to be known as a "week of years". Therefore, Seventy Weeks of Years was 490 Hebrew years.

Note this prophecy contains three parts:

1. 7 Weeks of Years (49 Hebrew Years)

2. 62 Weeks of Years (434 Hebrew Years)

3. 1 Week of Years (7 Hebrew Years)

At the precise point in history when the 7 + 62 Weeks of Years occurred, Israel could expect Messiah to announce Himself as Messiah. What great news! This means that Israel could not miss Messiah. All they had to do was to be aware of this prophecy, to count the weeks of years and be cognizant of current events in Israel as they unfolded.

The fact that the Jewish people allowed the fact that the "weeks of years" had come to completion at the time of Jesus' birth and ministry is one of the great tragic stories of the entire Bible, and one of Satan's greatest miracles. Once you understand the facts of this truth, your faith will dramatically increase.

This study will show us several things:

1. Why the Wise Men knew the time for Messiah was close.

2. Why Israel missed Messiah.

3. How this applies to us today.

Let us now consider the meaning of the prophecy.


I. The Duration of the Prophecy


This prophecy stipulated that Messiah would be presented to Israel and would be killed after 69 weeks of years had elapsed from its starting point. When we multiply 69 times 7, we understand that the time involved here equals 483 Jewish years. Since the Jewish calendar contains 360 days, we can easily see that this prophecy is precisely 173,880 days long. Therefore, we can expect that exactly 173,880 days after the prophecy started, Messiah would present Himself to Israel as their long-awaited Messiah-King.

II. The Starting Point of the Prophecy (Daniel 9:25a)

In this verse , God said the prophecy would begin "from the going forth (the issuing) of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem..." At the time God gave Daniel this prophecy, Israel was a slave nation under Babylon; however, God had foretold that this slavery would last only 70 years. This 70-year period was rapidly coming to a close; indeed, non-Jewish history records that the Medo-Persian emperor Artaxerxes issued just such a decree on March 14, 445 B.C. Therefore, precisely 173,880 days from this day should bring us to some significant event in Jesus' life which presented Him to the nation Israel as their Messiah.

III. The Mathematics Of The Prophecy

A. The First Seven Weeks (49 Jewish Years)

If you study the book of Nehemiah, you will find the account of the Jewish pilgrimage to rebuild Jerusalem following King Artaxerxes' decree. The prophet Nehemiah assumed charge of this rebuilding effort, which was carried out in such extreme hardship and danger that the builders carried swords with them as they were building the walls. Thus was fulfilled precisely the prophecy in verse 25b,"...it shall be built again with city square and moat, but in troublous times."

This effort began in 445 B.C. and culminated in 396 B.C., exactly 49 years, just as foretold.

B. The Second Period (62 Weeks of Years, 434 years)

Daniel 9:26 foretells that the "anointed One" would come after this period and would then be killed. This wording is understood by most conservative scholars to refer to Jesus Christ, not at His birth, but at His presentation as the Messiah-Prince. (2) "There were only two events in the life of Christ when He was officially set apart. One was His baptism and the other was His triumphal entry into Jerusalem." (3) This latter event has become known as Palm Sunday. When did Palm Sunday occur? "The Messiah (Jesus) came to Jerusalem on Passover in the year A.D. 32, which was April 6." (4)

C. The two periods combined (7 + 62 = 69 Weeks of Years, or 483 Jewish years, or 173,880 days).

* When we count from March 14, 445 B.C. to April 6, 32 A.D., we have 477 years, 24 days. However, we must deduct one year because only one year lapses between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. This gives us 476 years, 24 days or 173,764 days.

* Then, we must add 119 days to account for the 119 leap years during these 476 years (476 divided by 4). Now, we have 173,883 days.

* However, there is a slight inaccuracy in the Julian calendar when compared to the solar year. The Royal Observatory in London calculates that a Julian year is 1/128th of a day longer than the Jewish solar year. When we multiply 476 years times 1/128, we get three days. Subtracting three from our figure above, we arrive at the 173,880 days. (5)

Therefore, there are exactly 69 Weeks of Years (173,880 days) between the decree of King Artaxerxes in 445 B.C to rebuild Jerusalem to Palm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D.!! God foretold to the day when Messiah would present Himself to Israel as their Messiah-King. We see this event recorded in Matthew 21:1-11.

THE MAGI KNEW AND RESPECTED THIS PROPHECY!

Now we come to the next point: God had wonderfully foretold to Daniel the exact day on which Messiah was to announce Himself as King. The learned Magi knew of Daniel's prophecy and of his reputation of reliability in such matters. They knew the story recorded in Daniel, where their own Zoroastrian brethren had not been able to interpret the King's dream, but Daniel's God had revealed it to this Jewish prophet, and Daniel had used this information to save the lives of the Magi! To the Zoroastrians, Daniel was a phenomenal individual, one whom they had greatly respected in every generation of Magi since Daniel.

Therefore, just prior to Jesus' birth, they had to have been buzzing with anticipation, because they knew they were living within the life-time (approximately 30-40 years) of the completion of the specified time period. They knew that, if one was to announce Himself as Messiah in just 30 years, he would have to be born now. Thus were the Magi looking for a sign. The Holy Spirit was also not leaving anything to chance, and was prompting their minds to anticipation and to a proper understanding of what they were about to observe in the Heavens.

Even the gifts which the Magi brought to Jesus suggests that they were being prompted by Daniel's prophecy, and fully understood the prophetic and religious implications of Jesus' birth, ministry, and death. Consider the gifts they presented to Jesus:

1.. Gold--Daniel said in 9:25 that the coming Messiah was to be a "prince". This term denotes royalty, a king. Gold was the perfect gift for a king.

2. Frankincense--God stipulated in Exodus 30:34-36 that frankincense was to be prepared for the "purpose of sacrificial fumigation". (6) Jesus Christ was killed on Calvary as the Perfect Sacrifice which would be acceptable to God to take away the sins of all who would accept it. Did Daniel's prophecy reveal this sacrificial aspect? Yes!! In 9:26, God revealed that Messiah would be "cut off" (sacrificially killed).

Interestingly, frankincense was also used by the priests during the regular service in the Temple. Therefore, this frankincense gift could also point to Jesus Christ as the ultimate High Priestly, an office which He assumed after His ascension into Heaven.

3. Myrrh--The Jews used Myrrh for embalming bodies for burial preparation. (7) Again, the verse quoted above would have prepared the Magi to bring this gift.

It is extremely interesting that two of the three gifts which the Magi presented to baby Jesus related to His death and burial. The Daniel prophecy contained all the information which the Magi needed to know to bring these gifts. They studied this prophecy in its entirety and knew exactly the kind of gifts to bring!

FALSE RELIGIOUS LEADERS LED MILLIONS ASTRAY

The second question is why Israel's spiritual leaders missed this prophecy, when the pagan Magi did not. The answer is really quite simple. Several hundred years before Christ was born, Jewish leaders began to believe and propagate two grievously erroneous teachings. First, they taught that the sacred Scriptures could not be taken literally because they were not totally inspired by God, and thus contained errors. Secondly, they taught that prophecies were not to be taken literally, but spiritually. Prophetic books such as Daniel were not even taught anymore because they contained so much prophecy. After several generations had come and gone, each teaching and believing this nonsense, spiritual leaders of Jesus' day were completely unaware of this prophecy. Thus, they were unaware of the "time of their visitation".

The significance of this study to today is both simple and obvious. The same wrong teaching concerning inspiration of the Bible and its inerrancy is occurring throughout this nation. Most people today are unaware that all 300+ prophecies concerning Jesus' Second Coming are coming to pass or have already occurred. These people are unaware that this has never occurred before. Therefore, many people will miss Jesus' Second Visitation, to their eternal peril.

Jesus said emphatically that we who are familiar with Second Coming prophecy would be able to know that He is close to arriving (Matthew 24:33). Jesus also told us what kind of attitude we Christians are to have as we see His Second Coming approaching. He said:

"What I say to you, I say to everybody: Give strict attention, be cautious, active, alert, and watch!" [Mark 13:37; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]

This means that each of us should be actively witnessing to our co-workers and friends, we should be very alert to world events as they are occurring, and we should watch our Scriptures daily so the Holy Spirit can keep us true to Jesus Christ as we enter this deceiving time.

But, we need to apply yet another teaching from this prophecy: God is precise concerning the fulfillment of all His prophecies. God told us:

"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them." [Isaiah 34:16; Ibid]

Not one of God's prophecies shall fail, so He has commanded us to "seek out" the applicable prophecies so we will be aware of them, thus not being surprised when they are fulfilled, and certainly not missing them altogether.

Further, God will fulfill all His End Time prophecies with as much precision as He demonstrated in this prophecy above; however, God has decided, in His great Sovereignty, not to reveal to mankind the precise schedule of the appearance of Antichrist. Jesus has only told us that we will know the approximate season when we see all End Time prophecies coming to pass, altogether. We are to leave the exact timing to God at this End of the Age.

Yet, people everywhere are pressing End Time ministries to set dates. People are so anxious to know that which we cannot know that we are likely to get discouraged when a false date for an event does not come to pass. We must keep alert, and watching, and active for Jesus Christ as we see the prophecies being fulfilled or see the stage being set for their fulfillment. Yet, we must be patient and let God bring it all to pass in His good timing.

To try to set dates is to fall into Satan's trap. He knows that humans get discouraged easily, and he knows how anxious God's people are to be Raptured and in Heaven. Therefore, if he can get us to agonize over specific dates, he knows he can get us mightily discouraged, even to the point of getting some people to lose faith.

Until Jesus does come, we shall triumphantly live our daily lives according to the premise of this poem.



FELLOWSHIP OF THE UNASHAMED

"I'm part of the fellowship of the unashamed. I have Holy Spirit power. The dye has been cast. I have stepped over the line.
"I won't look back, let up, slow down, back away, or be still.
"My past is redeemed; my present makes sense; my future is secure."
"I'm finished and done with low living, smooth knees, mundane talking, cheap living."
"I no longer need prosperity, position, promotions, or popularity."
"I no longer have to be right, first, recognized, praised or rewarded."
"I now live by faith, lean on His presence, walk by patience, lift by prayer, and labor by power."
"My face is set, my gait is fast, my goal is heaven, my road is narrow, my way rough, my companions few, my Guide reliable, my mission clear."
"I cannot be bought, compromised, detoured, lured away, turned back, deluded, or delayed."
"I won't give up, shut up, let up, until I have stayed up, prayed up, paid up, preached up for the cause of Christ."
"I am a disciple of Jesus. I must go till He comes, give till I drop, and preach till all know."
"When He comes for His own my banner will be clear."


AMEN, COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS!!

We are so very close to the time when Jesus returns for His Church to take them away from the Great Tribulation. If you are not looking forward with anticipation to His Rapture maybe it is because you are not truly saved. Get your heart right with Him today.


Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones? This is the reason for this ministry, to enable you to first understand the peril facing you, and then help you develop strategies to warn and protect your loved ones. Once you have been thoroughly trained, you can also use your knowledge as a means to open the door of discussion with an unsaved person. I have been able to use it many times, and have seen people come to Jesus Christ as a result. These perilous times are also a time when we can reach many souls for Jesus Christ, making an eternal difference.

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.

If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home. Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually.

If you would like to become Born Again, turn to our Salvation Page now.

FOOTNOTES

1. "Dictionary Of The Bible, edited by William Smith, The S.S. Scranton Company, Hartford, CT, 1904, p. 501.

2. John MacArthur, Jr., "The Future of Israel", Word of Grace Communications, Panorama City, CA, 1985, p. 21.

3. Ibid.

4. Ibid.

5. Ibid., p. 22.

6. Loc. cit., p. 273.

7. Ibid., p. 592.




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God bless you.

That is because TRUTH and LIGHT do exist in the bible. REMEMBER, just because the religious leaders of the world have TRASHED TRUTH and turned many to Athiesm (They are "throwing the baby out with the bathwater", so to speak) does not mean that TRUE LIGHT and Christ do not exist.

Someone else said something of the order that "you were being called".... this very well could be the fact... Called to follow up on what your heart and soul speak to you... Also remember, much has been TAKEN OUT OF THE BIBLE and MUCH has been mistranslated (Intentionally to mislead by TPTB)

I would suggest not only reading the bible, but do research also on all that has been removed. Missing books of the bible, for an example. If indeed the LIGHT called to you, then have confidence the LIGHT will lead you through to the TRUTH... Don't let others sway you from what you hear in your heart and soul when you search and meditate... including even those who are acting with wisdom in regards to God's desires (they can be more damaging to the soul then those who try to tell you it is all bullshit).

When push comes to shove, in these days and times, it is between US and our maker!

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Hmmm....
here's my two cents. WHEN the bible was originally written is debatable, therefore one must always consider the idea that much of what was written was AFTER the events happened. Now, history as you know it, ALWAYS repeats itself.....do I really need to elaborate the importance of that understanding when reading biblical prophesy?

juat one tool in the
that specific one world order agenda
for they are a unified consciouness
avoiding the inevability of their kind
it was created to indoctrinate the lesser species

only answers in english, please

Hmmm....
here's my two cents. WHEN the bible was originally written is debatable, therefore one must always consider the idea that much of what was written was AFTER the events happened. Now, history as you know it, ALWAYS repeats itself.....do I really need to elaborate the importance of that understanding when reading biblical prophesy?

I understand what you are saying, but do you?

how did the ot prophets come back and insert this information 'after' Jesus lived????

these manuscrips are undeniably older than 30ad.

Jesus has naught to do with the Bible.
That book was plagiarized to the point now you don't have all the facts.

Now you'll agree or else um

PLUS you must rationize the possibility (as slim and near impossible as it is) of trusting the re-written translations of a book that's 1000's of years old written in a language near extinction.

Hmmm....
here's my two cents. WHEN the bible was originally written is debatable, therefore one must always consider the idea that much of what was written was AFTER the events happened. Now, history as you know it, ALWAYS repeats itself.....do I really need to elaborate the importance of that understanding when reading biblical prophesy?

I understand what you are saying, but do you?

how did the ot prophets come back and insert this information 'after' Jesus lived????

these manuscrips are undeniably older than 30ad.



Proven how? And at who's word was it proven?

Again, you are TRUSTING the word of another human who may or may not have his own motives.

Somebody tear some holes in this please, it's over my head and I think I am starting to believe!!!

The Old Testament, written over a 1,000 year period, contains over 300 references to the coming Messiah. All of these were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies --- the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in one hundred trillion!

To illustrate this: If we take 100 trillion silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, they would be two feet deep.

Now we paint one of these silver dollars blue, and stir the whole mass thoroughly --- all over the state.

Now blindfold a man and let him travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick only one silver dollar. What chance would he have of picking the blue one?

The same chance that the prophets would have of writing just eight of these prophecies and having them all come true for any one man.

and there's more prophecy just as baffling!

is this is why the 'bible is not bullshit'?

Somebody tear some holes in this please, it's over my head and I think I am starting to believe!!!

The Old Testament, written over a 1,000 year period, contains over 300 references to the coming Messiah. All of these were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies --- the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in one hundred trillion!

To illustrate this: If we take 100 trillion silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, they would be two feet deep.

Now we paint one of these silver dollars blue, and stir the whole mass thoroughly --- all over the state.

Now blindfold a man and let him travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick only one silver dollar. What chance would he have of picking the blue one?

The same chance that the prophets would have of writing just eight of these prophecies and having them all come true for any one man.

and there's more prophecy just as baffling!

is this is why the 'bible is not bullshit'?

A personification of God is a being that is existing in his/her own mirror.

No one in those situations would pop out such a cheesy analogy.


what situations?

the man made 'science' of probabilities and statistical analysis, cheesy analogy,

There is a lot of historical information and some of the people were pretty intelligent.

That's it. That's as far as it goes.

'really intelligent', I mean for a bunch of goatherders in 1000bc.

explain what you mean?

Ok, here's an example of what I mean by trust. The BIBLE indicates that mankind has only existed on this planet a few thousand years....yet there is 'PROVEN' evidence that shows mankind has existed as long as 20 or 30 thousand years.

I mean that there is some wisdom to be found in the Bible - but that's just because some people are intelligent. It doesn't mean that it's true and omniscient.