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Firestorm Brewing Between US States and Federal Government
Published on 02-20-2009


Source: OpEd News - Lance L. Landon


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Could this be an ominous shadow drawing on the end of the United States of America? For years the Federal Government has presumed to be the all-powerful force governing our country, but it just could be that the Federal Government only exists at the pleasure of the state governments and the citizens thereof. States declaring sovereignty sounds like an act of secession and revolution. However the federal government can apparently be dissolved and another one formed anew at the discretion of the states. The existing Federal government may not leave willingly like so many European governments that are replaced routinely and it may engage a military effort with our own soldiers or the likes of a Black Water illegal military invasion to retain total control over us.

United States Federal Government laws are often in violation of the Tenth Amendment, which is perturbing, these events. This is predicated on an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation, which states that, “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation [now Federation] expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.”

A growing number of states are declaring their sovereignty afforded under the U S Constitution’s Tenth Amendment however the conventional news media are not telling you about what is happening. The State of Washington on Wednesday - 11 February 2009 and most recently, New Hampshire [2009], Montana [2009], Hawaii [2009], Michigan [2009], Missouri [2009], Arizona [2008], Oklahoma [2008], Georgia [1996], and California [1994] all of which have introduced bills and resolutions declaring and reaffirming their sovereignty. Some other states have done this in the past but then let the issue go. Additionally, the states of Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering similar measures. More well may follow, such as Wyoming and Mississippi.


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Here is an updated list on this Sovereignty issue as of tonight's searches:

1. AZ: [link to www.azleg.gov]
2. AL: [link to www.archives.state.al.us]
3. AK: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

4. AR: [link to www.arkleg.state.ar.us] [link to www.azleg.gov]

5. CA: [link to www.leginfo.ca.gov]
6. CO: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

7. GA: [link to www.legis.state.ga.us]
8. HI: [link to www.supremecourtus.gov]
9. ID: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

10. IN: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

11. KS: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

12. ME: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

13. MI: [link to www.legislature.mi.gov]
14. MO: [link to www.house.mo.gov]
15. MN: [link to www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us (secure)]
16. MT: [link to data.opi.mt.gov]
17. NH: [link to www.gencourt.state.nh.us]
18. NV: (Still searching for link - not officially posted, but analysts expect it is in the works)

19. OK: [link to www.ok-safe.com]
20. PA: [link to samrohrer.com] [link to samrohrer.com]
21. SC: [link to www.scstatehouse.gov] [link to www.opednews.com]

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Nightshade09, we recently heard from a Russian General predicting the breakup of the US. Maybe that is part of TPTB divide & conquer strategy?
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OMG: It looks like a Second American Civil War is starting to become a reality. God help us all............
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The final straw will be over taxes imposed by the obobma and the dems....in mid may-june and there is gonna be a huge screaming mass of people....alot of laidoff/fired because the companies can't afford the taxes/ssi/medicare payments being levied by congress....INCREASES on the way... retro to jan 1, 2009....we all are gonna lose a paycheck....at least..probably our jobs...!!!
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I suspect it will be much different.

The end of this conflict. An let us not mistake it for something else.

This is will be a Federal Government That are nothing more Globalists and Shrill New World Order Sell Outs vs the last Remains of the Free Independent Republics of America.

In essense it will be the New World Order types trying to stamp out the last vestiage of Nationalism and True Patriotism in the world.

It will be bloody... But I predict when its all over and smoke clears It will be a case of the United Republics of America. Leading the world wide forces against a New World Order Europe.


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Is this for real....gasp I have not heard anything about this in WV!
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Average business cycles used to run 4-1/2 years. With the ever-increasing role of government and their need for public funding, government cannot afford the downdrafts which results in less revenue to foot the bill. As a result, government continues to raise taxes even as the ability to pay worsens. This makes the situation even worse and encourages the government to artificially stimulate the economy to increase revenues. Things are reaching a critical mass where the peoples' ability to support themselves means they cannot afford the government's expenses. The solution is less government spending and less taxation so that the people have more money to generate the economy. What we are seeing is the exact opposite as local, state and Federal spending continues to increase, with the feeble attempt to make the people pay even more. It's not working.
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This is all based on the constitution? Last time I checked nobody at the national or judicial level even pays attention to it anymore.

The movement is as good as dead.
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Glenn Beck scares Fox host into hiding under table
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Friday February 20, 2009

[link to rawstory.com]
Fox News hosts are known for viewing the world around them with alarm -- but Glenn Beck goes far beyond most of his peers at Fox in his belief that the future looks "really bad."

In a visit Friday with the hosts of Fox & Friends, Beck even managed to terrify Gretchen Carlson beyond the degree to which she is normally capable of terrifying herself.

"What we are possibly looking at is something far worse than the Depression," Beck began. "We are in much greater debt as individuals. We don't know how to grow our own food."

"We're also looking at civil unrest all around the world," he continued. "You need to prepare. This is something that could be ... really dangerous. ... My hands, now, for the first time in my life, are shaking. ... We're running out of exit ramps here."

Beck's greatest fear -- which he suggests is shared by his friends in the military and the FBI -- is clearly not the prospect of widespread poverty, hunger, or homelessness. Rather, it appears to be thenotion that worldwide civil unrest could precipitate a civil war between what he calls the "bubbas" and the United States government.

[link to rawstory.com]

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Hey Nightshade09, you married yet or you want under the table with that ditzy blonde?
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i don't think this will be a type of north vs. south scenario...

seems that the majority of people are for this...and i'm confident it will be the vast majority once push comes to shove

DC is going down
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sovereign = thus saved...



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Baloney. I'm going to go out on the sidewalk and declare my sovereignty from the government. Same effect.
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OMG: It looks like a Second American Civil War is starting to become a reality. God help us all............
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Suddenly our state governments are so concerned about the welfare of their people, they decided to all start declaring sovereignty. A complete act of good faith on the part of state legislators??? HAH...you freakin peeple are seriously deluded. There's a MUCH bigger picture here, I'm not sure what it is yet, but it'll be more obvious as time goes on. This ain't about "by the people, for the people..." you can bank on it!
Surrounded by Suckers, Shills, and Sellouts...
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Obama's stimulus law transfers a lot of money
from the Federal government to the states...
Will he preside over the dissolution of the USA
like Gorbachev presided over the dissolution of
the USSR ??


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Obama's stimulus law transfers a lot of money
from the Federal government to the states...
Will he preside over the dissolution of the USA
like Gorbachev presided over the dissolution of
the USSR ??


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if the end game is a north american union, and eventually centralized global government...

then either the FEDS (i.e. globalists) are beginning to lose control, or a broken union will work in their favor somehow
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Obama's stimulus law transfers a lot of money
from the Federal government to the states...
Will he preside over the dissolution of the USA
like Gorbachev presided over the dissolution of
the USSR ??


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if the end game is a north american union, and eventually centralized global government...

then either the FEDS (i.e. globalists) are beginning to lose control, or a broken union will work in their favor somehow

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This is a very interesting read.


Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US

by Dmitry Orlov

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" Slide [3] I anticipate that some people will react rather badly to having their country compared to the USSR. I would like to assure you that the Soviet people would have reacted similarly, had the United States collapsed first. Feelings aside, here are two 20th century superpowers, who wanted more or less the same things – things like technological progress, economic growth, full employment, and world domination – but they disagreed about the methods. And they obtained similar results – each had a good run, intimidated the whole planet, and kept the other scared. Each eventually went bankrupt. "


View the slides and text here:

[link to www.energybulletin.net]


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Long read but a good one.

The federal government is out of control and needs to replaced, that's the bottom line.

Congress no longer represents the people as seen once again recently when every Con-gressmen(lady) received calls 50-1 , saying DO NOT bail out the banks, AIG, etc. The FDA no longer works to protect the health and well being of the public but is an obedient slave to Big Pharmacy and Monsanto. The CIA is the biggest drug cartel in the world, every scandal that comes to light ALWAYS has them dealing drugs and doing other illegal activities, anybody in jail?
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Communism was the federal government's excuse for going overboard.

When Russia collapsed, it became inevitable that the U.S. would go down the same road.

Prepare for massively confusing times, with everybody claiming to know what should be done.

Don't listen to any of them.

Just take care of your own.
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I hope LA joins the bandwagon. The Feds proved in 05 that we're either on our own or subjected to policing by FEMA, NSA, and Blackwater. But I forsee a major struggle for sovereignty between LA and DC due to the port city of New Orleans (the location of the SPP/NAU conference last year).
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Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.


WSJ article here

[link to online.wsj.com]


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To think we all thought Titor was a loon with his predictions.....
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CNN news report

US Disintegration By 2010 Predicts Russian prof. IGOR PANARIN


[link to www.youtube.com]




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This is a very interesting read.


Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US

by Dmitry Orlov

*

" Slide [3] I anticipate that some people will react rather badly to having their country compared to the USSR. I would like to assure you that the Soviet people would have reacted similarly, had the United States collapsed first. Feelings aside, here are two 20th century superpowers, who wanted more or less the same things – things like technological progress, economic growth, full employment, and world domination – but they disagreed about the methods. And they obtained similar results – each had a good run, intimidated the whole planet, and kept the other scared. Each eventually went bankrupt. "


View the slides and text here:

[link to www.energybulletin.net]


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That is an excellent read! thanks for the link.
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Long read but a good one.

The federal government is out of control and needs to replaced, that's the bottom line.

Congress no longer represents the people as seen once again recently when every Con-gressmen(lady) received calls 50-1 , saying DO NOT bail out the banks, AIG, etc. The FDA no longer works to protect the health and well being of the public but is an obedient slave to Big Pharmacy and Monsanto. The CIA is the biggest drug cartel in the world, every scandal that comes to light ALWAYS has them dealing drugs and doing other illegal activities, anybody in jail?
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I think we all can agree on that. However, the endgame of this breakup will lead to a re-unionizing under a new set of rules.

I.E. NWO

I don't know about you all but I will fight for that G-damned piece of paper. Until death do we part.
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I suspect it will be much different.

The end of this conflict. An let us not mistake it for something else.

This is will be a Federal Government That are nothing more Globalists and Shrill New World Order Sell Outs vs the last Remains of the Free Independent Republics of America.

In essense it will be the New World Order types trying to stamp out the last vestiage of Nationalism and True Patriotism in the world.

It will be bloody... But I predict when its all over and smoke clears It will be a case of the United Republics of America. Leading the world wide forces against a New World Order Europe.


Shady
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It will be bloody... But I predict when its all over and smoke clears It will be a case of the United Republics of America. Leading the world wide forces against a New World Order Europe.

wow thats an amazing statement
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I suspect it will be much different.

The end of this conflict. An let us not mistake it for something else.

This is will be a Federal Government That are nothing more Globalists and Shrill New World Order Sell Outs vs the last Remains of the Free Independent Republics of America.

In essense it will be the New World Order types trying to stamp out the last vestiage of Nationalism and True Patriotism in the world.

It will be bloody... But I predict when its all over and smoke clears It will be a case of the United Republics of America. Leading the world wide forces against a New World Order Europe.

Shady

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It will be bloody... But I predict when its all over and smoke clears It will be a case of the United Republics of America. Leading the world wide forces against a New World Order Europe.

wow thats an amazing statement
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I hate to say it, but I may have to agree with it. I have been attempting to wake people up the past ten years as to what the truth is.

NotMyGovernment.us [link to www.notmygovernment.us]

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CNN news report

US Disintegration By 2010 Predicts Russian prof. IGOR PANARIN


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This is undoubtedly NWO planning.

The Union must stay together at this time or the states will fall under New World Order control.
However, it is important that they understand what is really going on, as I know for a fact they do not have a clue.


sheep

See this info to understand how thee states have next to no power under the Constitution Thread: The Dangers of a Constitutional Convention

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When I look at where we are going...I'm frightened... I never thought I would live to see these horrors...
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It won't be a civil war, at least not in its historical context. Nope, this one is more likely to be a revolutionary war with people taking to the street to ouster our corrupt and deficient government. The politicians and bankers will believe (erroneously) that "their" military will protect them - and some will. But the majority of our brave servicemen and women will NOT turn a gun on their friends, their neighbors or their family members. Especially when it is painfully obvious who caused this mess and how their families will be suffering as result of it.

No, this will clearly be revolutionary. Blood will be shed in the streets and lives lost. Politicans, bankers and corporate masters will be strung up from light poles and signs; publicly lynched. Social order will not return for years. People will instead live in pockets resembling clans to provide for their own needs and protection. We will become, for a time, agrarian again, and will live simply until a new social order emerges. I believe that this all a part of the 2012 apocolypse. Remember, Apocolypse means "New beginning".





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