If MORE GUNS = SAFETY...then the U.S. should be one of the SAFEST COUNTRIES in the WORLD...

Back up your comparison claim, AC. Show us your due diligence. I'll wait.

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Some states are the safest places in the world and they have little no no gun control.

FACT

Washington has loads of Gun Control and there crime rate is one of the worst in the whole world.

Certain Cultures are violent.

The closer too the Border too mexico you live the more violent of a life you are likely too live. Being house invaded sucks ass cause you immidiatley would give your left testicle for some kind of ranged weapon.

Americans are rich potential victims compaired too mexicans and Canadians

there are actually alot of gun control laws in mexico.

I said nothing of gun control laws. I just pointed out that more guns DOES NOT equal more safety.

OP is right, it's a little known fact that people around the world are issued warning when coming to America to watch out for the guns, they could trip over them or there's always the sad "there was a gun in my sandwich" which could break a tooth.

Oh, and don't drink the water either.

This thread is a FRAT!!

Well then by all means.Do not own a gun.Can I ask you one question?Are you a wolf or a sheep?

Try telling that to the Swiss. (Google it)

I ask again: Where is your evidence to back up such comparative claims, OP?

Or is this some personal 'truth' you have created in your own mind?

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I feel safer state side than when I travel abroad. The vast majority of gun crime where I live is drug related; I don't deal or do drugs, therefore I am at very little risk.

Kinda safe here.Im a black belt us Marine and my buddy the owner of the property has the shot put record for the state and is also armed.Big mistake to fuck with this area

The UK has very strict rifle and shot gun control, and NO LEGALLY OWNED HAND GUNS.

We have terrible stabbing and shooting problems. Going by your observation, this is even more curious!

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin

Get out of the cities and it is very safe.

Only cities or those raised in cities are scardy cats and terrified of guns, if they had been raised with guns to put food on the table everyone would have a gun and know how to use it. Then you would see safety on the streets of our cities.

it's unsafe because of black ghettos, unchecked illegal immigration, and the drug war.

It is not the guns that are making America unsafe it is top people who benefit from addicting the young to hard corps drugs and corruption. It is the fact that our education system deliberately trys to shackle most kids to ignorance. It is also that our food is poison and is giving Americans brain dammage. As long as we have murderers of high estate leading American gun owners will be the least of our worries.

most crime is due to corruption of politicians who bring bad public policy mostly into the urban areas, which are the areas most heavily controlled by government. don't blame the people or minorities, blame those who are in power who control the lives of the urbanites who are mostly at the mercy of the city government. living in cities is the true cause of society's problem, only a city managed uncorruptable brilliant caring loving politicians can be a success. but this is an impossible dream.

tell that to england.

the first thing a facist goverment does before they take over is to take away a populations guns!

not that is curious.

your either a gun grabbing shill or an idiot.

sorry, i have corrected my own poor grammar and spelling, so you don't have to. seemed only fair since i referred to the poster as an idiot.

tell that to england.

the first thing a fascist government does before they take over is to take away a population's guns!

now that is curious.

you're either a gun grabbing shill or an idiot.

we certainly could use our guns to correct some of the above problems which account for a great deal of the dangers we face in this country, and TPTB know that and dread the day we do it

it will not be a safe place to visit for 3-6 months, after that, once the streets are washed and the gang signs painted over, it should be a pretty nice place again.

there will also be some real values in wall street offices, as many will be vacated

guns = safe

idiots + guns = less safe

Having freedom means that not everything is 100% safe.

with links.

well said.

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR OTHERS will fix the problem, guns or not

best post in the thread... but this is unacceptable to many touchy feely types and other control freak J types... lots of people do want to push their petty belief systems on everyone else, and so long as these people exist, more new laws will always be created.

Yep, great post OP.

Here in the UK guns are banned and the result is that we have an almost non-existent death by guns rate.

Yes, but gun ownership is against freedom. Because the most basic freedom is the freedom from violence, the freedom from threat of death and the freedom from other people's actions where they devastate your life.

Gun ownership is about taking away freedom.

Like,for example, the petty belief system that you have where you think it's your right to place innocent people at risk.

Here's why: In most of USA you have to have licenses, and permits, and cannot conceal-carry without getting into a hell of a lot of trouble. In the Old West, you carried the damn 45cc on your hip and shot the bastards.

If we return to Old West rules, you'll see the END of gang violence because they'd be, uh, in Boot Hill.

Something to chew on, OP:

Total crimes (per capita) (most recent) by country

#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people

#8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people

#20 Switzerland: 36.1864 per 1,000 people

Although the stats are a little outdated.
Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

[link to www.nationmaster.com]


There is more per capita firepower in Switzerland than almost any place in the world. Enlisted men (ALL capable male citizens) are issued and required to keep in their homes a M57 automatic assault rifle and officers are given pistol. In a nation of six million people, there are at least two-three million guns, including 600,000 fully automatic assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns. Virtually every home has a gun.


Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures

In 2001 after both countries imposed strict gun control laws therefore reducing the number of guns in each country.

[link to www.geoffmetcalf.com]

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why don't you tell the whole story and post the rates of violent crime in general since the gun ban, and the other causes of death, like stabbings, and i do believe gun crime is still very high in your country, but guess who is using guns? the CRIMINALS i do believe.

post away Witness, I will be waiting

While we are waiting for Witness to return, I share the following. Old stats but speaks volumes nonetheless:

In 1997, Great Britain outlawed handguns. Lets look at some recent crime statistics from that country.

Number of crimes in which a handgun was used:

1997-1998 - 2,648
1999-2000 - 3,685

Number of murders with a gun in London:

2000 - 16
2001 - 30

Robberies reported in Great Britain in September and November:

1999 - 8,614
2000 - 19,248

Yeah, that handgun ban really made Great Britain a safer place.

Source:
Gun crimes surge in London. Associated Press, January 9, 2002.

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