He who ASCENDED will DESCEND --- Enoch ascended into Heaven, Enoch the Son of Man will descend: HELL even JESUS knew this!!!!!
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Re: He who ASCENDED will DESCEND --- Enoch ascended into Heaven, Enoch the Son of Man will descend: HELL even JESUS knew this!!!!!
OK, Punisher (you are the Punisher aren't you?), I gave you five stars for spicing up this forum with a rare ingredient: logic.
But while I have your attention, I will submit a totally unrelated question for your consideration. The Bible says Christ was a sacrifice for sin, and according to the Bible:: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
But I wonder why the death of Christ was necessary since there were provisions for salvation prior to the alleged miraculous virgin birth. Anyone remotely familiar with the Bible (as I know you are) knows that sins were forgiven in the Old Testament way before Christ. For others who may read this, I offer just a few of the dozens of Old Testament references about the forgiveness of sins and salvation prior to Christ.
Ezekiel 18:20-24 (edited):
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.”
Psalm 23 (emphasis my own):
“The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.” Of course, the oft-quoted verses of the 23rd Psalm were addressed not to Christ, but to the Lord God.
“Turn thee unto me, and have mercy upon me; for I am desolate and afflicted. The troubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses. Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins.”
“Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.” .
The bottom line is this: God forgave sins centuries before the birth of Christ, and salvation was granted centuries before the birth of Christ; so it appears to me that the entire story of Christ is a fabrication, and a senseless one at that.
OK, Punisher, I really didn’t mean to ask you any questions, just sounding off.
Have a good night.
|1||Why the Book of Enoch is not included in the Bible? Because it foretold the truth about Jesus and the Fallen Angels||11/26/13|
|2||Logos, Christ, Jesus, Melchizedek, Joseph,Enoch, Adam||02/01/06|
|3||Eve had Abel, Cain, Lilith, Seth, and Enoch. Fathered by either Adam/Jesus or Lucifer.||03/11/17|
|4||Why was the Book of Enoch removed yet Jesus quoted from it?||04/27/17|
|5||He who ASCENDED will DESCEND --- Enoch ascended into Heaven, Enoch the Son of Man will descend: HELL even JESUS knew this!!!!||02/25/09|