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""There’s no stopping what is now a downward spiral"

That's what one savvy investor recently said about the European Union. Many people believe that the EU and in turn the Euro are doomed. The theory behind this is that there are too individual economies to manage with just one currency. If for example, Italy or Greece had their own currencies they would be able to do much more easing than other members of the EU like Germany will currently allow.

Bloomberg had an interesting article on this subject this morning. A firm called Hayman Advisors LP, which raked in half a billion dollars making bets against U.S. subprime mortgages, believes that the EU is doomed.

The company's a managing director for global markets, Richard Howard recently stated that he believes Germany may choose to fix up its own economy rather than using its money to help bail out fellow EU members like Austria, Italy and Spain. The theory continues that if any of these countries begin to default on their debt, which is a distinct possibility without aid, that Germany might decide to "renounce the euro." The likelihood of it focusing on itself rather than fellow union members is made even more likely by the fact that this is an election year in Germany. Howard went on to add “There’s no stopping what is now a downward spiral.”

The cost to insure against European defaults, has soared six-fold since last summer. Credit-default swaps on Ireland have risen to 395.8 basis points from a below 50 basis points as recently as September. Austrian swaps are now at 265 basis points, versus below 25 half a year ago.

The spread between 10-year bonds for the haves like Germany and the have-nots like Greece, Austria, and Spain are the largest that they have been since the creation of the Euro.

Recently German officials have reiterated their support for the weaker countries in the Union and the savvy investor George Soros said several weeks ago that he does not believe the European Union will break up. European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet recently was quoted as saying "there is no weak link of the euro area."

Still, many like Howard believe that given the depth of the current recession and the likelihood that things will get worse before they get better that the stronger EU members like Germany and France may be hesitant to bail out weaker countries like Spain and Italy.

Time will tell what is going to happen. This certainly is an interesting test for the EU. I certainly am not personally ready to say that it will collapse yet, but nothing would surprise me right now."

Euro Area Risks Breakup on Bank Woes, Subprime Bear Hayman Says


Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Hayman Advisors LP, the firm that earned $500 million betting on the U.S. subprime mortgage-market collapse, says Europe’s monetary union is about to fall apart.

Richard Howard, a managing director for global markets at Dallas-based Hayman, said Germany may opt to shore up its own economy, Europe’s biggest, rather than bail out fellow euro nations such as Austria, Italy and Spain as their banks sag under the weight of bad debts. That might lead to defaults and compel Germany to renounce the euro, he said.

“People said subprime could never blow up but it did and now they’re saying the exact same thing about the eurozone,” said Howard. “There’s no stopping what is now a downward spiral.” He declined to discuss his investments.

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GERMANY WANTS OUT!!!

Poehl Says German Euro Rescue Would Be Pandora’s Box
Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Former Bundesbank President Karl Otto Poehl said Germany should resist increasing pressure to rescue other euro-area countries as the financial crisis brings some of them to the brink of default.

“A bailout of a debtor country from a surplus country like Germany would be like opening the box of Pandora,” he said yesterday at an event at the London School of Economics. “It’s a very dangerous course that we will enter” and “I’m very much against it, many people in Germany are against it, but the political pressure will increase, it’s obvious.”

German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck signaled his government’s openness to rescues when he said last week that some euro nations are “getting into difficulties” and that Europe’s biggest economy would show its “ability to act.” Poehl said that the International Monetary Fund should seek to intervene instead.

“The IMF was designed for this purpose,” he said. “But the problem is that the IMF has not enough money. They need an increase in capital. That’s the most urgent reform we need.”

Government leaders of the Group of 20 should agree to “double or triple” the IMF’s capital to fight the crisis and help out euro-region members or European countries such as Ukraine, which is “close to bankruptcy,” Poehl said.

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So much for the New Whirled Odor.
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Germany is in debt up to its' balls and its economy is falling off a cliff, so where in the fuck do they come off as a bastion of stability???They are fucking done for just like all the rest of the countries of the world!
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ROFL, people you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Germany in huge debt? Where have you heard this bullshit? The US is in huge debt but not Germany. Also Germany maintains a high export with little signs of instability. That's because Germany is a primary source for important goods like steel. Not to mention cars, semiconductors, pharmacy and tons of other shit that this country is producing and exporting. The EU is not going down. If it was going bankrupt, first signs would've been the exclusion of Bulgaria and Romania. Get your facts straight dumb americans.
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glad to hear that Germany woke up :)
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ROFL, people you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Germany in huge debt? Where have you heard this bullshit? The US is in huge debt but not Germany. Also Germany maintains a high export with little signs of instability. That's because Germany is a primary source for important goods like steel. Not to mention cars, semiconductors, pharmacy and tons of other shit that this country is producing and exporting. The EU is not going down. If it was going bankrupt, first signs would've been the exclusion of Bulgaria and Romania. Get your facts straight dumb americans.
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Hey now, a "dumb American" is the person who posted this link... don't lump us all together! hf
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glad to hear that Germany woke up :)
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Yep! Hope they stick to it.
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Germany will go with Russia, Iran, Turkey and the rest of BRIC.
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ROFL, people you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Germany in huge debt? Where have you heard this bullshit? The US is in huge debt but not Germany. Also Germany maintains a high export with little signs of instability. That's because Germany is a primary source for important goods like steel. Not to mention cars, semiconductors, pharmacy and tons of other shit that this country is producing and exporting. The EU is not going down. If it was going bankrupt, first signs would've been the exclusion of Bulgaria and Romania. Get your facts straight dumb americans.
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And who will they sell all those exports to in a collapsing global economy, Einstein?
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glad to hear that Germany woke up :)


Yep! Hope they stick to it.
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some of them probably remember Hitler
and how he destroyed their nation
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glad to hear that Germany woke up :)


Yep! Hope they stick to it.

some of them probably remember Hitler
and how he destroyed their nation
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Very good point.

Thanks for the pin!
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United States of Europe is one step closer.
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the European banks are heavily leveraged- worse than US banks and are going to go bankrupt very soon- the global collapse might even start over there first...apparently Germany's itself's banks are far less exposed and are pissed about having to bailout the rest of the Euro countries because of the fact that they have been significantly more fiscally responsible than everybody else in the Union. The Union over there might wind up looking to German policy leading the recovery plans from here on out
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ROFL, people you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Germany in huge debt? Where have you heard this bullshit? The US is in huge debt but not Germany. Also Germany maintains a high export with little signs of instability. That's because Germany is a primary source for important goods like steel. Not to mention cars, semiconductors, pharmacy and tons of other shit that this country is producing and exporting. The EU is not going down. If it was going bankrupt, first signs would've been the exclusion of Bulgaria and Romania. Get your facts straight dumb americans.
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Well, so much for Germany bailing out most of central and eastern Europe. I can't say I blame them.
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The Germans make some incredible shit.
Ever slapped your nuts with a Slap-Chop?
If you have you are probably aware that Sham-Wow can absorb that mess without exerting any pressure on the newly sensitized area.

BOOm!
Here comes the
BOOm!
Ready or not...
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whatever it take to break the banksters and free the people.
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whatever it takes to break the banksters and free the people.
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Germany will go with Russia, Iran, Turkey and the rest of BRIC.

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ROFL, people you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Germany in huge debt? Where have you heard this bullshit? The US is in huge debt but not Germany. Also Germany maintains a high export with little signs of instability. That's because Germany is a primary source for important goods like steel. Not to mention cars, semiconductors, pharmacy and tons of other shit that this country is producing and exporting. The EU is not going down. If it was going bankrupt, first signs would've been the exclusion of Bulgaria and Romania. Get your facts straight dumb americans.
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European banks are over leveraged to the tune of 93% - 16.3 trillion dollars

This is no dumb american speaking - the fact of the matter is that Europe is on the verge of collapse, and its about time we Europeans wake up and smell the coffee!
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Germany will go with Russia, Iran, Turkey and the rest of BRIC.




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these people produced two heroes
Ahasuerus saved the Jews from annihilation
and Cyrus allowed them to go home to Israel and rebuild their temple
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ROFL, people you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Germany in huge debt? Where have you heard this bullshit? The US is in huge debt but not Germany. Also Germany maintains a high export with little signs of instability. That's because Germany is a primary source for important goods like steel. Not to mention cars, semiconductors, pharmacy and tons of other shit that this country is producing and exporting. The EU is not going down. If it was going bankrupt, first signs would've been the exclusion of Bulgaria and Romania. Get your facts straight dumb americans.


European banks are over leveraged to the tune of 93% - 16.3 trillion dollars

This is no dumb american speaking - the fact of the matter is that Europe is on the verge of collapse, and its about time we Europeans wake up and smell the coffee!
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I'm still wondering what the european and american banksters did with all the leveraged money that is worthless now. But at the time they spent it all. Poof.
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This is why the dollar appears to rise as inflation kicks in.
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they lost it to China and the savvy muslims who don't believe in charging interest
so, they avoided the banks altogether
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Germany will go with Russia, Iran, Turkey and the rest of BRIC.




The Medes and Persians.


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Please don't bring stupidity into this thread. I am god and I didn't tell anyone to go to isreal. Thats a fabricated story by some historian.
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Now things are getting interesting. This could mean the end of the EU if they tell the Globalists to go suck an egg! Hopefully the IMF will bite the dust too.
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This is why the dollar appears to rise as inflation kicks in.
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the dollar is separate from the Euro
and that is what they cannot accept
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Germany will go with Russia, Iran, Turkey and the rest of BRIC.




The Medes and Persians.


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Ahasuerus saved the Jews from annihilation
and Cyrus allowed them to go home to Israel and rebuild their temple


Please don't bring stupidity into this thread. I am god and I didn't tell anyone to go to isreal. Thats a fabricated story by some historian.
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