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Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009

 
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Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009
[link to www.bloomberg.com]

By Rick Levinson

Feb. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire Warren Buffett said the economy will be “in shambles” for the rest of this year as financial firms take losses tied to reckless loans made during the housing boom.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index will probably gain in three-quarters of the next 44 years, just as it did in the period since Buffett took over Berkshire Hathaway Inc. in 1965, he said today in his annual letter to the company’s shareholders.

While Buffett and business partner Charlie Munger can’t predict how stocks will perform in 2009, they’re certain “that the economy will be in shambles throughout 2009 - and, for that matter, probably well beyond,” he wrote.

Gross domestic product shrank at a 6.2 percent annual pace from October through December, the most since 1982, the Commerce Department said yesterday in Washington. Buffett said the consequences of the U.S. housing bubble are now “reverberating through every corner of our economy.”

Home purchases should involve an “honest-to-God down payment of at least 10 percent,” Buffett said. “Putting people into homes, though a desirable goal, shouldn’t be our country’s primary objective.”

Buffett endorsed efforts by the U.S. government to prevent the failure of financial firms including Bear Stearns Cos., which was sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co.

‘Immediate Action’

“Whatever the downsides may be, strong and immediate action by government was essential last year if the financial system was to avoid a total breakdown,” Buffett said. “Had that occurred, the consequences for every area of our economy would have been cataclysmic. Like it or not, the inhabitants of Wall Street, Main Street and the various Side Streets of America were all in the same boat.”

Buffett’s letter accompanied the release of Berkshire’s fourth-quarter results, in which net income fell 96 percent to $117 million on losses from derivative bets tied to stock markets. Berkshire shares have fallen 44 percent in the past year as the value of the firm’s top stock holdings dropped and losses increased on the derivatives.

By the fourth quarter of last year, “the credit crisis, coupled with tumbling home and stock prices, had produced a paralyzing fear that engulfed the country,” Buffett said. “A freefall in business activity ensued, accelerating at a pace that I have never before witnessed. The U.S. - and much of the world - became trapped in a vicious negative-feedback cycle. Fear led to business contraction, and that in turn led to even greater fear.”
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Re: Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009
Well, what is he going to say? His investment firm is in a shambles.
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Re: Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009
My FIL, who is big into investing.. and has bought and toed the party line his whole life was quoting Buffet last year when I was telling him about what was going to happen.

Maybe now he might think a little differently, since Buffet says differently now. Who would listen to me? I'm just a girl.
How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?
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My FIL, who is big into investing.. and has bought and toed the party line his whole life was quoting Buffet last year when I was telling him about what was going to happen.

Maybe now he might think a little differently, since Buffet says differently now. Who would listen to me? I'm just a girl.
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whats a fil?
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father-in-law
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My FIL, who is big into investing.. and has bought and toed the party line his whole life was quoting Buffet last year when I was telling him about what was going to happen.

Maybe now he might think a little differently, since Buffet says differently now. Who would listen to me? I'm just a girl.


whats a fil?
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Father In Law--Also Buffet paid HUGE premiums for GE amd GS. He made some of his WORST decisions in the last yr. I'm wondering if Buffet was told or asked to make some of the moves he made. Paying almost 24$ for GE preferred shares and 118 for Goldman seems like an Idiocy move at the time.
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My FIL, who is big into investing.. and has bought and toed the party line his whole life was quoting Buffet last year when I was telling him about what was going to happen.

Maybe now he might think a little differently, since Buffet says differently now. Who would listen to me? I'm just a girl.


whats a fil?

Father In Law--Also Buffet paid HUGE premiums for GE amd GS. He made some of his WORST decisions in the last yr. I'm wondering if Buffet was told or asked to make some of the moves he made. Paying almost 24$ for GE preferred shares and 118 for Goldman seems like an Idiocy move at the time.
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Also add UNH (united health care) to his awesome list of losing stocks.
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When people get scared, get greedy.


That was the advice my FIL thought was great.
How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?
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Buffet bagman for brit banksters.
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nice post op
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See what his son Jimmy has to say!!

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Didn't Buffet also admit he was an idiot recently?

Why shouldn't we think he is still an idiot spouting nonsense?

Buffett: 'I Did Some Dumb Things' in 2008
Warren E. Buffett, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway investment fund and holding company and possibly still the world's richest person, released his annual shareholders letter moments ago, in which he says, "during 2008 I did some dumb things in investments."

"I made at least one major mistake of commission and several lesser ones that also hurt," he said. "Furthermore, I made some errors of omission, sucking my thumb when new facts came in that should have caused me to re-examine my thinking and promptly take action."

That "major mistake," Buffett writes, was the purchase of millions of shares of ConocoPhillips oil company when oil prices were near their peak.

[link to voices.washingtonpost.com]

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Why do they have those stooopid flip a house show still on TV?
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Kings will be Farmers, Farmers will be Kings

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Why do they have those stooopid flip a house show still on TV?
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I don't know. I don't watch TV. burnit
But I have heard that people that have money can buy condos and apartment buildings REALLY cheap and make tons of money renting out rooms.
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Re: Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009
In 1940 the DJIA was about 150.

In 1950 it was about 200

In 1960 it was about 600

In 1970 it was about 700

In 1980 it was about 800

In 1990 it jumped to about 2,600

In 2000 it jumped to over 10,000


If we are going to see a correction, the market will probably return to the level it ought to be at based on the previous rate of increase.

The abnormal rate of increase began in the 1980's.

Based on the previous rate of increase, the Dow ought to currently be somewhere in the 1500 - 3000 range. That's probably where it will settle around, although it will bounce lower than that for a bit until it regains its balance.
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all the bullshit you can eat Buffet
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all the bullshit you can eat Buffet
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on the flip side, jimmy buffet is here in honolulu. he's giving an outdoors concert today at 7pm, kapiolani park
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WFT? Berkshire releases earnings on Saturday?

I guess this is so it's "old news" by Monday.
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Buffet? Who allowed food to talk?!?!? You're Fired! Asshole.
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Why do they have those stooopid flip a house show still on TV?
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yea why do they still have that on infomercials
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This ties in nicely with the stock market crash thread from yesterday. Buffett sold derivatives for $5B that start to pay out some (or all if they go to zero) of $37B in 2019 if the S&P500 & three other indices are below the 9/30/08 price. The 9/30 price on the S&P was ~ 1150. You will notice on that exact day the market rallied which postponed the crash by two days, until Oct., someone wanted the target higher than would have been the case otherwise [/tinfoil]. If a person bought the S&P 500 Friday, which I did, s/he could ride Buffett's dumba$$ed coat-tails. That would make for an average appreciation of 5%+ over ten years + the 3.68% SnP divi if he's right, if he isn't we can laugh as Berkshire goes BK. Think of the names mocking them BRoK-Ass, BrK, whatever.
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Well, what is he going to say? His investment firm is in a shambles.
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Buffett admits investment mistakes after historic loss

Investment guru Warren Buffett offered a mea culpa as he delivered a host of bad news to shareholders, saying Berkshire Hathaway Inc. saw net income fall by 62 per cent in 2008 compared to a year earlier.

[link to www.cbc.ca]

Buffet takes in on the chin.

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Didn't Buffet also admit he was an idiot recently?

Why shouldn't we think he is still an idiot spouting nonsense?

Buffett: 'I Did Some Dumb Things' in 2008
Warren E. Buffett, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway investment fund and holding company and possibly still the world's richest person, released his annual shareholders letter moments ago, in which he says, "during 2008 I did some dumb things in investments."

"I made at least one major mistake of commission and several lesser ones that also hurt," he said. "Furthermore, I made some errors of omission, sucking my thumb when new facts came in that should have caused me to re-examine my thinking and promptly take action."

That "major mistake," Buffett writes, was the purchase of millions of shares of ConocoPhillips oil company when oil prices were near their peak.

[link to voices.washingtonpost.com]

spock
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Uh, the fact is, dipshit, everyone makes mistakes....Some admit it, some don't. I would consider Buffett to be one of the more believable money men.

Your post was a wast of both your and out time.
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on the flip side, jimmy buffet is here in honolulu. he's giving an outdoors concert today at 7pm, kapiolani park
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Ho, bra, da air's gonna be fragrant in da pahk tonight!
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on the flip side, jimmy buffet is here in honolulu. he's giving an outdoors concert today at 7pm, kapiolani park



Ho, bra, da air's gonna be fragrant in da pahk tonight!
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How fabulous.

Wouldn't expect anything less from a slave handler.
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If you bow to the God Mammon, then you receive his just deserts...
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