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zacksavage
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Wild Gold,...
So,...I'm going out night scouting in the Wilderness soon.

I am in an area of massive volcanic activity. I'm looking for gold,...among other things.

If anyone has any information regarding identification of rock types and geologic features to look for,... I would appreciate the aid.




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Re: Wild Gold,...
just look in the mirror!
you are the wild gold :-)

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Re: Wild Gold,...
WoW!!!

I think this is first time I posted a thread and did not get an answer from a godlike soul.

No real world knowledge today?? No Geologists?

No lovers of the Land??

Just frightened,...gun-toting,...left/right, Rep/Dem paradigmers in the day time I guess. Will try later. Going for a bike ride now.chuckle

I am Free.


Have a great day
You poor lost souls.



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Re: Wild Gold,...
just look in the mirror!
you are the wild gold :-)

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Haha,...Lovelight!!!!

Thank you Lovehf

I will play a tune for you tomorrow night.



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Re: Wild Gold,...
here is some info on dowsing

[link to www.greatdreams.com]


good luck on your treasure hunt!



hf
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Re: Wild Gold,...
people like too prospect for gold and valuables on river beds or river coasts either with a metal detector that can detect gold or the old fashion way with a sifter.

Digging down near a water source can sometimes lead too valuables but be dangerous.

good luck with your adventuring!
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Re: Wild Gold,...
people like too prospect for gold and valuables on river beds or river coasts either with a metal detector that can detect gold or the old fashion way with a sifter.

Digging down near a water source can sometimes lead too valuables but be dangerous.

good luck with your adventuring!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 573835


Thank you,...that is basically what I had in mind. I guess people just buy it not find it anymore.

Good,... more for me!!!!!

Any afternooners into knowledge and not consumption???


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Not an afternooner, only morning here, but if you can, read up first on how the landscape was formed in that area, and look-out for pyroclastic rocks, the ones I've seen in Oz have the most amazing looking crystals entombed within a crusty outer shell.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Sigh,...

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“Gold-bearing mineralization occurs as a result of precipitation of gold from solution associated with a change in the prevailing chemical environment. The overall composition of the mineralizing solution is dependent upon the geological environment, and may vary considerably. For example, solutions near the earth’s surface associated with volcanic activity and those present at much greater depth in zones of tectonic activity carry different characteristic chemical signatures. The suite of minerals precipitated from the solutions reflects the differences in solution chemistry, and thus different styles of gold mineralization are generated corresponding to the various host geological environments. Native gold rarely occurs in isolation in gold-bearing mineralization and is frequently accompanied by other minerals, common examples being pyrite, galena, chalcopyrite and arsenopyrite. The minerals co-precipitated with the gold can occur within the gold grain itself as "mineral inclusions". Gold forms an effective barrier to the local environment, such that even minerals unstable at the earth’s surface are preserved with grains of alluvial gold.”

[link to www.see.leeds.ac.uk]

Occurrence

In nature, gold most often occurs in its native state (that is, as a metal), though usually alloyed with silver. Native gold contains usually eight to ten percent silver, but often much more — alloys with a silver content over 20% are called electrum. As the amount of silver increases, the color becomes whiter and the specific gravity becomes lower.
Ores bearing native gold consist of grains or microscopic particles of metallic gold embedded in rock, often in association with veins of quartz or sulfide minerals like pyrite. These are called "lode" deposits. Native gold is also found in the form of free flakes, grains or larger nuggets that have been eroded from rocks and end up in alluvial deposits (called placer deposits). Such free gold is always richer at the surface of gold-bearing veins owing to the oxidation of accompanying minerals followed by weathering, and washing of the dust into streams and rivers, where it collects and can be welded by water action to form nuggets.
Gold sometimes occurs combined with tellurium as the minerals calaverite, krennerite, nagyagite, petzite and sylvanite, and as the rare bismuthide maldonite (Au2Bi) and antimonide aurostibite (AuSb2). Gold also occurs in rare alloys with copper, lead, and mercury: the minerals auricupride (Cu3Au), novodneprite (AuPb3) and weishanite ((Au,Ag)3Hg2).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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Re: Wild Gold,...
Not an afternooner, only morning here, but if you can, read up first on how the landscape was formed in that area, and look-out for pyroclastic rocks, the ones I've seen in Oz have the most amazing looking crystals entombed within a crusty outer shell.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: kalamity kool


Hey Kool person.

Yes, do you have any resources on dikes, batholiths identification? How to recognize quartz veins perhaps.

I am in a 10 mile wide caldera and am trying to learn to read the landscape as best I can.

Always looking for aid here.

I always liked your posts btw.


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Re: Wild Gold,...
here is some info on dowsing

[link to www.greatdreams.com]


good luck on your treasure hunt!



hf
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Thanks Lovelight,...I will keep my eye out for a good dowsing crystal.

[Reference sites: PDF file]

[link to www.reviewearthscience.com]

[link to geoweb.tamu.edu]


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Check list

"Prospecting Tips and Tricks
Prospecting and locating Gold

Geologists estimate only 5% of Earth's Gold has been found!

1. Do your homework! Start by going to the library and look into the history of where you plan to go on your prospecting vacation. The mineral bearing areas of every state have been well defined over the last 300 years or so. Gold has been found in varying amounts in every state in the union!

2. Study up on the geology of the area, look at the map. Find the streams and creeks that flow out from the gold bearing areas. Look for historic mines noted on the map. USGS topo maps, quad maps, are detailed enough to take you to the right place. Some of them haven't been updated in quite a long time so be sure to check the date and perhaps look for a detailed topographic map that is newer. DeLorme has a great series of maps that work for this quite well. GPS coordinates are very helpfull as technology works for the prospector!

3. Use the Internet to find out current information on the areas you plan to visit. Look into joining a club and share in the member benefits. As a member many clubs and organizations will allow you access to proven gold claims. Forums and chat rooms are also great places to get educated in the fine art of prospecting.

4. Get out on the stream and look for the "signs". Gold is very dense and heavy compaired to about everything else. Look for a bend in the stream or a rock that creates an eddy. Gold being heavy will collect in these areas. As the water slows around the bend or behind the rock, the gold drops out of the current.

5. Gold, silver and platinum are deposited as an intrusion by volcanic pressures into fissures in harder material such as granite. Gold is associated with quartz because the same geologic forces are necessary to create both. Look for orange to yellow stains created by iron and copper oxides. These oxides are what create the "black sand", and being heavy, will be mixed in where you find the gold. Water and weathering erode the deposits and the gold being dense works it's way down to the lowest levels ultimately sitting on the bedrock. Look for places where the stream has cut down to the bedrock.

6. Glaciers eroding the mountain sides took the ore deposits and ground them up as they slowly slid down the valleys. These placer deposits have been historically the best place to find "free" or loose gold.

7. False bedrock... a layer of clay or dense material will act as a false bedrock and the gold won't penetrate that layer. Dig down to and then "skim" material from the top of that layer. Moss and roots will act as a trap for fine gold and small nuggets. Wash this material gently and throughly and replant it alive where you found it. Always fill in your holes, don't undercut trees and brush."

[link to www.learngoldprospecting.com]

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Re: Wild Gold,...
Not an afternooner, only morning here, but if you can, read up first on how the landscape was formed in that area, and look-out for pyroclastic rocks, the ones I've seen in Oz have the most amazing looking crystals entombed within a crusty outer shell.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Hey Kool person.

Yes, do you have any resources on dikes, batholiths identification? How to recognize quartz veins perhaps.

I am in a 10 mile wide caldera and am trying to learn to read the landscape as best I can.

Always looking for aid here.

I always liked your posts btw.


Z
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Always liked yours too Savage person ; )

Quartz veins tend to stand out like dog's balls in the landscape here, where the main parent rock is granite, where you are its likely to be basalt, I think..?

They look like small rivulets flowing down a rock face, milky white usually but discolouration can happen.

Zeolites should be lurking somewhere there..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Not as sexy as gold, but it has many useful uses..
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Thars gold up in those hills!!

or calderas!

Ima thinkin you'll find more than material gold!

Good luck on yer adventure pardner...

ub
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Hey Z... I'm envious. It sounds like your current location and time outdoors is its own reward.

There are several prospectors that hang out at GIM. There might be useful info to be had there.

[link to goldismoney.info]

[link to www.prospectingchannel.com]
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get a goldspear
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Hey OP how the hell can you find anything at night?
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Always liked yours too Savage person ; )

Quartz veins tend to stand out like dog's balls in the landscape here, where the main parent rock is granite, where you are its likely to be basalt, I think..?

They look like small rivulets flowing down a rock face, milky white usually but discolouration can happen.

Zeolites should be lurking somewhere there..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Not as sexy as gold, but it has many useful uses..
 Quoting: kalamity kool


Like dog's balls?? Thank you kalamity. Interesting.




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Re: Wild Gold,...
Thars gold up in those hills!!

or calderas!

Ima thinkin you'll find more than material gold!

Good luck on yer adventure pardner...

ub
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Thanks ub,...always good to here from ya. I'm feeling kinda lucky these days.

Hope everything is great/lucky/fantastic for you and yours these days.


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Hey Z... I'm envious. It sounds like your current location and time outdoors is its own reward.

There are several prospectors that hang out at GIM. There might be useful info to be had there.

[link to goldismoney.info]

[link to www.prospectingchannel.com]
 Quoting: Godot


I certainly appreciate your post Godot,...much respect.

Thank you for the prospects.


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Re: Wild Gold,...
627017 – don’t know what that is,….how about it huh?

572046 – don’t recall saying anything about looking tonight or any night for that matter.
I am in the middle of three million three hundred thousand acres of national forest. Five hundred and fifty eight thousand of which is designated wilderness.

I will be out an about all summer,…

Looking for gold,…sheds,…crystals,…among other things.

Thanks for posting.



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Question: How is gold formed?
joseph ramirez

Answer:
Gold is formed as the result of molten rock, called magma, being intruded into solid rock. As the magma cools and solidifies, water and other volatile substances separate out from the magma under high pressure. The high pressure of hot water and steam force open fissures in the surrounding solid rock, through which these hydrothermal solutions travel. When the hydrothermal solutions cool, deposition of material occurs, especially quartz in the form of quartz veins.

Because gold has a relatively low melting temperature, it is sometimes carried by these hydrothermal solutions through the fissures in the rock and solidifies inside the quartz veins. Thus, the place to look for gold is usually in quartz veins near the intrusion of a magma body. One example is the so-called Mother Lode of the Sierra Nevada in California. If these quartz veins are eroded, the gold may be found in streams and rivers; this explains why the 49-ers of the last century were able to pan for gold in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.

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Where does gold come from? Part 1

Astronomers now suggest that the heaviest elements such as gold, platinum, and palladium may have been formed in the early universe as a result of neutron star collisions. These neutron-rich explosions caused by the spiraling together of neutron stars were the most powerful explosions in the universe, and probably accounted for the formation of the neutron-rich heavy elements such as gold.

Dr. Stephen Rosswog from the University of Leicester in England described this in an April 5th interview on National Public Radio (U.S.):

“This is a collision of a special kind of stars. They have masses like our sun, approximately, but a diameter of, say, 20 kilometers or something, so it’s superdense. So one teaspoon of material has a weight of billions of tons. When they collide and eject material and this material becomes decompressed, this is just an ideal environment for the formation of these heavy elements.”

All matter on Earth, and the rest of the universe, is the remnants or ashes of these cosmic events. We’ve known for a while that solitary explosions of supernovas were the source of elements such as carbon, and now it seems that the collisions of supernovas are the likely source of gold and the heavy elements of the platinum group.

[link to onlygold.com]

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"...A popular misconception is that natural gold has cooled from a molten state. In fact, gold is transported though the Earth’s crust dissolved in warm to hot salty water. These fluids are generated in huge volumes deep in the Earth’s crust as water-bearing minerals dehydrate during metamorphism. Any gold present in the rocks being heated and squeezed is sweated out and goes into solution as complex ions. In this form, dissolved gold, along with other elements such as silicon, iron and sulphur, migrates wherever fractures in the rocks allow the fluids to pass. This direction is generally upwards, to cooler regions at lower pressures nearer the Earth’s surface. Under these conditions, the gold eventually becomes insoluble and begins to crystallise, most often enveloped by masses of white silicon dioxide, known as quartz. This association of gold and quartz forms one of the most common types of "primary gold deposits".

Veins and reefs of gold-bearing quartz can occur in many types of rock, for example around granites, in volcanic rocks or in regions of black slate, but in most cases these host rocks are not the immediate source of the gold.

Gold deposits have formed at many different times during Earth’s history. For example, those in Western Australia are believed to have formed about 2400 million years ago, during a period of intense metamorphism and intrusion of igneous rocks. The gold-bearing quartz reefs in Victoria are significantly younger, about 400 million years, but also owe their origin to a period of intense metamorphism in the region.

As chemical weathering and erosion gradually break down the host rocks and lower the land surface, the quartz and gold veins are eventually exposed to the atmosphere. The veins provide far more resistance to chemical attack than the surrounding rocks, so that mechanical weathering is required to fragment the quartz, thereby releasing the gold. Because they are relatively heavy, particles of gold are more difficult to move and so become naturally concentrated in the soil or in adjacent gullies or streambeds. These concentrations are known as alluvial or placer deposits and have yielded incredible riches on some goldfields, such as those in California and central Victoria.

Alluvial deposits take many forms, including sands and gravels in the beds of modern-day streams, in old river valleys buried under lava flows or perched on hilltops due to uplift of the land surface. The terms shallow and deep leads are used in Victoria for gold-bearing gravels covered by younger sedimentary layers or lava flows. These were especially important in the Ballarat district. Because of its resistance to chemical attack, gold can be recycled from one type of alluvial deposit to another. Credits: By Dr Bill Birch, Senior Curator, Geosciences, Museum Victoria

[link to www.california-gold-rush-miner.us]

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Gold is found in Gold colored shiney chuncks...Hope that Helps!
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Gold is found in Gold colored shiney chuncks...Hope that Helps!
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Yuk, yuk SHR. You ever do any panning??

I'd bet not.

"Deposits of gold can form in many geological environments: in deep magma chambers, in ancient volcanoes or hotsprings, or in conglomerates and sandstones that might form as a result of the weathering and erosion of these gold-bearing rocks.

However, one of the most common places that gold deposits form is in ancient fault zones, many of which were active during the earliest period of Earth's history, the Archaean (more than 2.5 billion years ago). Earthquakes produced by movements on these giant faults would have been accompanied by the release of hydrothermal solutions from deep in the Earth's crust. These solutions moved up along the faults and, often as a result of effervescence of carbon dioxide gas (rather like opening a bottle of fizzy drink), precipitated gold in economic concentrations in veins of quartz.

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Always liked yours too Savage person ; )

Quartz veins tend to stand out like dog's balls in the landscape here, where the main parent rock is granite, where you are its likely to be basalt, I think..?

They look like small rivulets flowing down a rock face, milky white usually but discolouration can happen.

Zeolites should be lurking somewhere there..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Not as sexy as gold, but it has many useful uses..


Like dog's balls?? Thank you kalamity. Interesting.




Z
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Heh, sorry for the lapse into Aussie slang, lol.

There was a carved out rock face in the Pilbara once, that

had veins of what really looked like gold, it was an

exciting find, but the land was a mining lease.

Thanks for the interesting info..

and goodluck!
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Heh, sorry for the lapse into Aussie slang, lol.

There was a carved out rock face in the Pilbara once, that

had veins of what really looked like gold, it was an

exciting find, but the land was a mining lease.

Thanks for the interesting info..

and goodluck!
 Quoting: kalamity kool


No, thank you kalamity. It's a pleasure bouncing my golden ideas off an Aussie.

Good day mate!!!

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