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Elie Wiesel: IMPOSTER?

 
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Elie Wiesel: IMPOSTER?
Auschwitz Survivor Claims Elie Wiesel is an Impostor

March 4, 2009
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Translated from the Hungarian by our Budapest Bureau


Miklos Gruner, 15, was deported from Hungary to Auschwitz-Birkenau in May 1944, with his mother, father as well as a younger and an elder brother. He says that his mother and his younger brother were immediately killed after their arrival in the camp. Then he, his elder brother and their father had an inmate number tattooed on their arms and were sent to perform hard work in a synthetic fuel factory linked to IG Farben where the father died six months later. After that, the elder brother was sent to Mauthausen and, as the young Miklos was then alone, two elder Jewish inmates who were also Hungarians and friends with his late father took him under their protection. These two protectors of the young Miklos were the Lazar and Abraham Wiesel brothers.

In the following months, Miklos Gruner and Lazar Wiesel became good friends. Lazar Wiesel was 31 years old in 1944. Miklos never forgot the number Lazar was tattooed with by the Nazis: A-7713. In January 1945, as the Russian army was coming, the inmates were transferred to Buchenwald. During the three months this transfer took, partly by foot, partly by train, more than half of the inmates died and amongst them was Abraham, the elder brother of Lazar Wiesel. In April 8, 1945, the US army liberated Buchenwald. Miklos and Lazar were amongst the survivors of the camp. As Miklos had tuberculosis, he was sent in a Swiss clinic and therefore was separated from Lazar. After recovering, Miklos emigrated to Australia while his elder brother, who also survived the war, established himself in Sweden.

Years later, in 1986, Miklos was contacted in Australia by a Swedish journal and was invited to come in Sweden in order to meet "an old friend" named Elie Wiesel... As Miklos answered that he doesn`t know anyone with this name, he was told Elie Wiesel was the same person Miklos knew in the Nazi camps under the name Lazar Wiesel and with the inmate number A-7713... Miklos still remembered that number and he was therefore convinced at that point that he was going to meet his old friend Lazar and happily accepted the invitation to fly to Sweden in December 14, 1986. Miklos recalls:

" I was very happy at the idea of meeting Lazar but when I got out of the plane, I was stunned to see a man I didn`t recognize at all, who didn`t even speak Hungarian and who was speaking English in a strong French accent... so, our meeting was over in about ten minutes. As a goodbye gift, the man gave me a book titled "Night" of which he claimed to be the author. I accepted the book I didn`t know at that time but told everyone there that this man was not the person he pretended to be!"

Miklos recalls that during this strange meeting, Elie Wiesel refused to show him the tattooed number on his arm, saying he didn`t want to exhibit his body. Miklos adds that Elie Wiesel showed his tattooed number afterward to an Israeli journalist who Miklos met and this journalist told Miklos that he didn`t have time to identify the number but... was certain it wasn`t a tattoo. Miklos says:

- After that meeting with Elie Wiesel, I did research everywhere I could for twenty years and found out that the man calling himself Elie Wiesel has never been in a Nazi camp since he doesn`t figure on any official list of detainees.

Miklos also found out that the book Elie Wiesel gave him in 1986 as something he has written himself was in fact written in Hungarian in 1955 by Miklos old friend Lazar Wiesel and published in Paris under the title "A Világ Hallgat", meaning approximately "The Silence of the World". The book was then shortened and rewritten in French as well as in English in order to be published under the author`s name Elie Wiesel in 1958, under the french title "La Nuit" and the English title "Night". Ten million copies of the book were sold in the world by Elie Wiesel who even received a Nobel prize for it in 1986 while -says Miklos- the real author Lazar Wiesel was mysteriously missing...

- Elie Wiesel never wanted to meet me again, says Miklos. He became very successful; he takes 25 thousand dollars for a 45 minutes speech on the Holocaust. I have officially reported to the FBI that Elie Wiesel is an impostor but had no answer. I have also complained to the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences with no result. The American and the Swedish media which I tried to contact were indifferent. I have received anonymous calls telling me I could be shot if I don`t shut up but I am not afraid of death any more. I have deposited the whole dossier in four different countries and, if I died suddenly, they would be made public. The world must know that Elie Wiesel is an impostor and I am going to tell it, I am going to publish the truth in a book called "The Story of a Stolen Nobel Prize Identity".
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That wouldn't have been him. He was adolescent age when he went. I guess you'll try anything though.
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It's okay to tell lies if you can make a few shekels at it.

It's in the bible someplace.
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Auschwitz Survivor Claims Elie Wiesel is an Impostor

March 4, 2009
weisel.jpgEnglish Language Exclusive!

Translated from the Hungarian by our Budapest Bureau


Miklos Gruner, 15, was deported from Hungary to Auschwitz-Birkenau in May 1944, with his mother, father as well as a younger and an elder brother. He says that his mother and his younger brother were immediately killed after their arrival in the camp. Then he, his elder brother and their father had an inmate number tattooed on their arms and were sent to perform hard work in a synthetic fuel factory linked to IG Farben where the father died six months later. After that, the elder brother was sent to Mauthausen and, as the young Miklos was then alone, two elder Jewish inmates who were also Hungarians and friends with his late father took him under their protection. These two protectors of the young Miklos were the Lazar and Abraham Wiesel brothers.

In the following months, Miklos Gruner and Lazar Wiesel became good friends. Lazar Wiesel was 31 years old in 1944. Miklos never forgot the number Lazar was tattooed with by the Nazis: A-7713. In January 1945, as the Russian army was coming, the inmates were transferred to Buchenwald. During the three months this transfer took, partly by foot, partly by train, more than half of the inmates died and amongst them was Abraham, the elder brother of Lazar Wiesel. In April 8, 1945, the US army liberated Buchenwald. Miklos and Lazar were amongst the survivors of the camp. As Miklos had tuberculosis, he was sent in a Swiss clinic and therefore was separated from Lazar. After recovering, Miklos emigrated to Australia while his elder brother, who also survived the war, established himself in Sweden.

Years later, in 1986, Miklos was contacted in Australia by a Swedish journal and was invited to come in Sweden in order to meet "an old friend" named Elie Wiesel... As Miklos answered that he doesn`t know anyone with this name, he was told Elie Wiesel was the same person Miklos knew in the Nazi camps under the name Lazar Wiesel and with the inmate number A-7713... Miklos still remembered that number and he was therefore convinced at that point that he was going to meet his old friend Lazar and happily accepted the invitation to fly to Sweden in December 14, 1986. Miklos recalls:

" I was very happy at the idea of meeting Lazar but when I got out of the plane, I was stunned to see a man I didn`t recognize at all, who didn`t even speak Hungarian and who was speaking English in a strong French accent... so, our meeting was over in about ten minutes. As a goodbye gift, the man gave me a book titled "Night" of which he claimed to be the author. I accepted the book I didn`t know at that time but told everyone there that this man was not the person he pretended to be!"

Miklos recalls that during this strange meeting, Elie Wiesel refused to show him the tattooed number on his arm, saying he didn`t want to exhibit his body. Miklos adds that Elie Wiesel showed his tattooed number afterward to an Israeli journalist who Miklos met and this journalist told Miklos that he didn`t have time to identify the number but... was certain it wasn`t a tattoo. Miklos says:

- After that meeting with Elie Wiesel, I did research everywhere I could for twenty years and found out that the man calling himself Elie Wiesel has never been in a Nazi camp since he doesn`t figure on any official list of detainees.

Miklos also found out that the book Elie Wiesel gave him in 1986 as something he has written himself was in fact written in Hungarian in 1955 by Miklos old friend Lazar Wiesel and published in Paris under the title "A Világ Hallgat", meaning approximately "The Silence of the World". The book was then shortened and rewritten in French as well as in English in order to be published under the author`s name Elie Wiesel in 1958, under the french title "La Nuit" and the English title "Night". Ten million copies of the book were sold in the world by Elie Wiesel who even received a Nobel prize for it in 1986 while -says Miklos- the real author Lazar Wiesel was mysteriously missing...

- Elie Wiesel never wanted to meet me again, says Miklos. He became very successful; he takes 25 thousand dollars for a 45 minutes speech on the Holocaust. I have officially reported to the FBI that Elie Wiesel is an impostor but had no answer. I have also complained to the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences with no result. The American and the Swedish media which I tried to contact were indifferent. I have received anonymous calls telling me I could be shot if I don`t shut up but I am not afraid of death any more. I have deposited the whole dossier in four different countries and, if I died suddenly, they would be made public. The world must know that Elie Wiesel is an impostor and I am going to tell it, I am going to publish the truth in a book called "The Story of a Stolen Nobel Prize Identity".
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One of these two is a fraud. I wouldn't be surprised one way or another. Elie Wiesel has shamelessly capitalized on the Holocaust. He probably has enormous accounts in Israeli banks along with the Madoff clan.
It is also entirely possible that Miklos Gruner is the fraud.
I think there should be a thorough investigation into all these facts.
If it is really true that someone else wrote this book and that Miklos read it in Hungarian...this also could be proved.
These are very heavy charges. I hope they were not made lightly.
Who is the fraud? What is the evidence?
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How about a link?
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Wiesel’s role in it. However, when we recall words he wrote early in his career and has repeated many time since then, we have a possible key. “Some events do take place but are not true; others are true although they never occurred.”27
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Photo of Weisel, 7th from left, 2nd row.

He was there dude. Or, maybe a doctored photo, but I doubt it.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Photo of Weisel, 7th from left, 2nd row.

He was there dude. Or, maybe a doctored photo, but I doubt it.
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A photo on wikipedia?

I'm sorry, but this thread is officially OVER.

(sarcasm)
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link: [link to www.henrymakow.com]
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sorry elie , you tell too many lies to get a nobel prize




The picture was published in the high circulation Sunday NYT Magazine, and included the statement, “His name has been frequently mentioned as a possible recipient of a Nobel Prize, for either peace or literature.”20 Incredibly, after the NYT had manufactured history by declaring erroneously that Wiesel is seen in the picture, they had the nerve a few years later to castigate Buchenwald Museum authorities for not repeating their lie as fact! In 1989, a NYT reporter visiting Buchenwald wrote: “A large photograph in the [Buchenwald] museum shows Mr. Wiesel, among others, on the day of liberation. He is not identified in a caption. And the guide who has shown visitors around Buchenwald for 14 years had never heard of the author, who has written eloquently about that camp.”21 In addition to Wiesel’s earlier claims that he was sick when the picture was taken, another major problem with Wiesel’s alleged image in this picture is that it is quite unlike his appearance in a photo taken shortly before his deportation eleven months earlier. Clearly, he was merely a boy at the time, and his image bears no relationship to that of the man shown in the bunk at Buchenwald.22 This picture, coupled with the fact that he has stated repeatedly over the years that he was sick on April 16, offers double proof that his claim be to shown in the Buchenwald shot is nothing but a Jewish holocaust scam. Tragically, this true lie exploits the tragic sufferings of Wiesel’s relatives and all the other innocent Jews.
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He was there dude. Or, maybe a doctored photo, but I doubt it.
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'Shop goes the Weisel. :D
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childodarkness, you are SUCH a putz!!!



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Absolutely fascinating material at this "Culture Wars" site...really
Thanks for turning me on to this. Hours of reading here!
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childodarkness, you are SUCH a putz!!!



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exposing them one by one ... liars all ....


one cockroach at a time ....
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He was there dude. Or, maybe a doctored photo, but I doubt it.


'Shop goes the Weisel. :D
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Holocaust pun of the day!

Hell, maybe of the century!
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Absolutely fascinating material at this "Culture Wars" site...really
Thanks for turning me on to this. Hours of reading here!
[link to www.culturewars.com]
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you're welcome fieldolight ...



you have many supporters here ...



stay stong against the tag team , remember their insults, lies , accusations are not the truth ....


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Elie Weisel was a teenager when he was sent to the camp. Haven't you ever read Night?
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Sure I read it. That doesn't make it true or even written by him.
I make no claims whether are not he is an imposter.
I am hoping there will be follow up and we will find out the truth.
I do not like how people are doing jail time for having an opinion in some supposedly "free" countries.
I do not like how questioning any given event or idea should make someone a "hater" and guilty of thought crimes.
This is wrong and it is censorship.
If Wiesel is who he claims then it will come out.
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Sure I read it. That doesn't make it true or even written by him.
I make no claims whether are not he is an imposter.
I am hoping there will be follow up and we will find out the truth.
I do not like how people are doing jail time for having an opinion in some supposedly "free" countries.
I do not like how questioning any given event or idea should make someone a "hater" and guilty of thought crimes.
This is wrong and it is censorship.
If Wiesel is who he claims then it will come out.
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For once I agree with you. I do give Mr. Weisel the benefit of the doubt, however.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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For once I agree with you. I do give Mr. Weisel the benefit of the doubt, however.
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I do give Mr. Weisel the benefit of the doubt



of course, that's human nature, and a response some have learnt to rely on.
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For once I agree with you. I do give Mr. Weisel the benefit of the doubt, however.


I do give Mr. Weisel the benefit of the doubt



of course, that's human nature, and a response some have learnt to rely on.
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We all have given him much more than "the benefit" of a doubt. No one has doubted him at all for 50 years. He has really milked it for all its worth.
Perhaps it is time to start doubting...so many of these stories are now showing to be hoaxes after close scrutiny.
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Rumor has it that this is a fraud. The article there is in complete detail.
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You mean Queen that Miklos Gruner is a fraud?
Where is the article on this?
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seriuously get a life, this persons been through alot and your doing this?
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Wiesel is a well known liar. The has told so many different versions of the same event so many times it boggles the mind.

Hitler was a mass murderer; Wiesel has mass murdered the truth.
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there is a pic of him in a camp [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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btw...this is a much better book Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning
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I was very impressed by his book and his speaches in Auschwitz;
but if he is an imposter, I have to ask questions:

1) who is Eli Wiesel?
2) what did happen to Lazar?
3) is EW not from a spy ring?
4) when he did had a french accent, which spy ring of France
would it be?
5) what happens to the money, EW did earn?
6) who is Miklos?
7) which spy ring/mafia endangers the life of Miklos?

a.s.o., many questions develope, time by time......