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Can anyone enlighten me as to what happened on 12/20?
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:9teen: My guess is that that is the moment that Trinity gained full control of GLP after purchasing it from the previous owner.
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The New Transhuman Enlightenment
andrew hennessey

ABSTRACT.
20th Century Science appears to be failing the species, and it appears that although Technology is diversifying, there is a complete lack of solutions to 100 year-old paradoxes – and these also appear to be the same paradoxes that prevent the further evolution of Transhumanity.
The moment should be seized now by the Transhuman movement to falsify and discard the theories that are leading the world into a post-scientific era. By doing so, both Humanity And Multinational Interests will benefit – placing the Transhuman Movement in a safe and solid position during these periods of Global Change.



With the failure of Cosmology and Physics and 5th generation AI, and even Medicine to keep check of superbugs and epidemics, cutting edge Research appears to make less and less of a difference.
Science seems to fail rather than to succeed.
Sure the odd technological miracle pops up – but no real solutions to the constraints in the paradigm that keep us so inefficient.
With NASA scientists confessing to having no means available to look at interstellar travel, they attempt to console us with the idea that we can become virtual travellers instead.
Sure it sounds Transhuman, [it definitely isn’t post-human] – it’s post-scientific – an inept failure of the practice of the scientific method.

Recently in Cambridge, Hawking and others gathered together to confer on the failure of Einstein’s Relativity to explain the new empirical vistas that were opening up in particle physics and cosmology.
There are good alternatives.
Despite the Chaos pioneers of the Santa Fe Institute in the early 90’s, the science of Chaos and Complexity have become understated and unemployed in dealing with the Chaos in current particle physics.

It remains something of an intelligent joke that the mathematical paradox in topology called Schifflers horns is regarded as a paradox because it makes the linear Universe look non-linear. I’ll bet if you ran it by Nobel prize winner Nash that he would spot that it is actually a PROOF of the non-linearity of the Cosmos -–and not a paradox at all.

Not only did 100 years of physics produce no paradox free Unity and the salvation of the species in an interstellar drive - but it failed to provide real executive AI and 5th Generation Artificial Intelligence.

The B-Movie expectations of the 1950’s never came to be realised.

The Human Genome Project was a victory for a technological process, not a flash of ; Nash, Wittgenstein, or Neumann.
Thus it’s looking more and more likely that humanity and would be transhumanity finds itself in a post-scientific era.

Particle Physics looks in Chaos with innumerable add-ons and probably needed judicial use of Occam’s razor decades ago. Einstein’s ´spooky´ action at a distance still returns to haunt us as an unexplained failure in rationality and reason, whilst the other great betrayal of transhuman hope - the inability to encode and reproduce thought despite the processing power of the operating platform - must make the scientists that have been utilising wishful-thinking depressed.

Sure the processing power continues to double and double and double – but the software must also solve the metaphysical Turing recursion paradox, to close the query and limit the question.
The problem is not solely one of raw computational power.
I would bet that even if the hardware could compute the information, that there are currently no metaphysics capable of adding such heuristics.
Indeed it remains the same problem that saw the failure of the 5th Generation program in Japan a few years ago.
Alas there seems to be no new Recursion-busting rationale that could enable the encoding process to have emerged within the last 5-8 years.

That’s why I believe that the concept of Uploading is currently a false promise - subscribers may allude to the overall increase in number crunching capacity - but there requires to be a metaphysics to add a top-down angle - maybe its just a matter of time though.

Science though continues to disappoint; no cures for cancer or aids, or an accurate ability to control super-bug mutations. There is - no real AI - just promises that we may be able to send our ashes into space along with some epitaph on a bit of silicon sent up there by NASA’s gasolene engines.

If the transhuman movement wants to make a difference in what appears to be a post-scientific world, it must claim back the mantle of scientific responsibility from those who collect their paycheque from the multinationals - multinationals who are certainly big enough to destroy nation states.
Yet that may seem a bit of a problem if the new transhumans wish to find themselves uploaded onto some multinational funded mainframe. After all :- the richest people on this planet, [and maybe we don’t want to upset them], the Multinational Elite will wish to live forever if they can - and they have an ocean of money to spend to make their assets technologically immortal.
Any would-be transhuman that could make themselves useful could find a niche on the coat-tails of their cyberspace and any would-be immortal may find him/herself deselected if they are a source of criticism.

Transhumans are exponents of Darwin and memes and by consequence Social Darwinism, and many reason that the strongest survive by right. Thus if the immortalists from the multinationals who have unlimited funds get to say who lives and dies in cyberheaven, has the transhuman movement the backbone to assert its own criteria for uploading and the salvation of the species. Alternately, will these transhumans merely be selfish opportunists who have no thought for the common good.

Opportunists may have realised that if Both science AND humanity are finished, then it has to be every uploader for itself.
We may be unlikely to find out what passes for the ´true belief´ amongst those encrypted channels of self interest, but is it not the case that transhumanism has been showing itself to be Not a social aspiration but a selfish one. Selfish transhumanism where the would-be cyborgs can be king of their heap - avatars of avalon - totally self involved. In the world of flesh, however, there is nurture and sharing and irrationalities like love and caring and selflessness - humanity tends towards society.

Does transhumanity encapsulate the possibilities of society ?

Human society, however appears to be crumbling into toxic inefficiency.


National government science has failed to successfully regulate multinational profiteering in the genetics industry. This has led to the wholesale pollution of the wild genetic states with ‘escaped’ mutants, and suggests that if there is anything rational to be attributed to the pollution of the wild states of important staples and food organisms it has to be the act itself.
It would, after all, be highly profitable indeed to have the franchise to repopulate a barren planet with corporate designer organisms – once the wild states have been destabilised and made inviable.

It could be argued by some transhumans, and probably will, that the extinction of wild DNA is the act of an intelligent God-like meme – and that rebuilding the planet as an altar to the ego and intellect of a geneticist is a true statement of omnipotence.
If that act becomes an issue it should also become a democratic transhuman issue, for the reduction of diversity in the biosphere is a well-known definition of ‘pollution’.

Having been around the transhuman mailing lists since 1996 >H, I found myself listening to some rather perverse ideas that involved:

 Becoming demi-gods [and then impose]
 increasing the efficiency and kill rate of nuclear weapons
 compulsory uploads for every living organism
 why the human race was no more than green slime
 and other such ideas that seemed to come from socially dysfunctional adolescents.


Then there were more elite intellectuals – some attempting to argue like ‘robotic’ logical realists that all emotion and gooey stuff should be purged in favour of ones and zeros.

Could this organisation of seemingly selfish and anti-social people who deemed themselves elite and superior possibly do any good for the human race or even the would-be transhumans.

My perceptions changed however when I began listening to the obvious scholarship of Sandberg and the others who clearly had a more sensible life mission - and these were folks who were obviously going to get the job done of empowering the transhuman movement with both reason and balance.
Sometimes we had to listen to other advocators of reason enthuse about their new evolution - which was to be able to lift cars up on a night out - which was a bit adolescent - or to embrace vistas of unimaginable power - role playing as many virtual avatars as they would wish.
These dreams are the aspirations of travellers, the imaginations of the future - totally wonderful visions alas bereft of the hard-bitten practical reality of who pays for the energy and software ?

Enron ? or some multinational elitist billionaire who wants to play God?
Has the new transhuman movement the independent audacity to claim its own future - a future free of the influences of the multinational stakeholders in immortality ?? and free of social pathology.
Can transhumanism respect the human race enough to say NO to Enron ?? for example, or respect its own potential enough to keep its options open and unshackled ?

Escapism can be a healthy sublimation but at the end of the day a transhuman is either pro-human or anti-human and depending on which side of the com port cable you are – you will either act selfishly or socially. That may come down to a choice between the financial agenda of an unregulated multinational corporation or a more nurturing human social group.

As some on >H have already argued with elite logic, if humans can give animals a bad deal - why not then that transhumans can give the same deal to humans.
What if any deal should transhumans offer to humanity ?
Given the relatively small number of transhumanists in relation to the human population and the highly specialised nature of their lifestyles – it does look very likely that they are going to need ‘looking after’.
Eg. Before transhumans all climb into cyberspace – who will feed them food or other energy or maintain their physical facilities – regardless of whether you answered ‘robots’, humanity is still in the chain, and you are only as strong as your ‘weakest link’.

Perhaps an overview of Game Theory here might produce a ‘beautiful transhuman mind’ that would realise that everyone could win.

Transhuman policy towards the ´good of humanity´ despite getting a recent facelift in terms of nice life enhancing bits for individuals doesn´t really attend to the ongoing entropy in human civilisation - partly caused by a selfish globalist and multinational agenda and partly by a failure in the democratic process. This agenda has potentially turned a green oasis of a planet into a burning desert – where ‘government science’ seems to help industry avoid carbon tax by pronouncing that there is no global warming – or seen to be lax in the hygeine of the human food chain.

There are dark scientific Gods too, sad social scientists like; Cameron, Delgado, West, etc who have believed themselves justified in their madness, drunk on power. These beings should never be allowed access to the transhuman movement.

At the opening of the 21st century, Science sits at a crossroads, and down one turning is a dark age full of ‘telepathic particles’ and magical thinking, and down the other is a road that will see reason and logic triumph.

Magic should not be the science of the future - rather continually falsified theories that have hung on beyond expectation should be ripped up and discarded.
These flaws in our science are the barriers to the evolution of transhumanity.
There is a vacancy NOW for the transhuman movement - the moment is historic - for true science has been discarded by apologists either intent on repopulating the world with their patented offspring or simply repaying their mortgage.
The scientist may have been replaced by the technologist but it is time for the real transhuman movement to step forward and take up the mantle of reason.
By adopting again the practise of falsification, of refutation and rigorously and reasonably applying it to all the garbage science and flawed scientific method that repeatedly spurns its contradictions, transhumanity can save themselves and this planet for better things.
Transhumanity can save us all from an impending dark age because they will practise true Science, or, at least they will need to, to escape the limitations of this dead and ossified 20th century scientific paradigm.

By becoming the cornerstone of a new scientific paradigm they will control the evolution of the future of this planet, and by becoming the real avatars of science they will not only control cyberspace but the destiny of mankind. This achieved simply with the practise of reason, and by tossing out the junk science.
It will only be the best science that will bear fruit in the future – and that this fruit will stand out by its reason, excellence and rarity.
It will take a superhuman effort by some transhumans especially as much of the dysfunctional junk would have formed the basis of their early education - but as explorers and adventurers they have the capacity to take those leaps.
If multinational funders and stakeholders truly want to live forever – they will come to respect and fund the scientific integrity of a transhuman - and those lackeys that operated the technology labs for more mundane reasons of profit will become eclipsed by the practise of real science.
I see a real role for transhumanity - yet the added burdens of ´social responsibility´ may be a strong test. If these superhumans can succeed, however, they will have humanity on their side, augmenting their own personal transitions - and they will have the multinational immortalists on
their side too. This because a transhuman will become the last word in good science and reason.

The growth of the global technocracy is deceptive to the transhuman movement, for technologists are delivering diverse new technological applications at a great rate. None of these ‘gadgets’ however, are truly transhuman artefacts for none will enable safe, aesthetic, digital eternity.

There are microchip implants and biometric identification technologies enough to fullfill Orwell’s nightmare. There are ray guns and stun guns, and new communication technologies - some based on the careless use of cheap microwave technology. There are mega-databases to occupy the processors within all this new processing power, but at the end of the day, the same metaphysical question at the heart of these technologies about the true meaning of unity within the particles by which they operate, has gone unanswered since Copenhagen in the 1930’s. It is there that the transhuman must start their new quest.
It is not enough if Hawking predicts unity in 20 years – especially if some of us are not going to be around in 20 years.
The transhuman must accomplish what no-one else has thus far done – to delineate a true rational theory about the nature of reality. How else could a transhuman accurately encode the chaos and complexities of thought.
Our reality software at this time has a ‘Spooky’ [cf. Einstein] bug written in by Einstein’s paradigm, indeed, perhaps our current version of reality is a virus.
Surely the same empirical data could fit better models – after all – Newton’s laws of planetary motion became relegated to the status of metaphysics when in the 1990’s, Chaos research in Paris spotted the fractal nature of these allegedly linear motions.

In my opinion, the classical 20th century view of reality must not only change, it should be discarded if real progress towards sophisticated transhuman applications is to be made.
The world now at a crossroads in many respects and too many unfulfilled promises in our in-trays we must realise that much of what we would like to accomplish cannot be – and for many reasons.
Whereas our humanity appeals to us to cut our losses, the emergence of our transhumanity can empower us to be more critical of our limitations and make our time, our reason, and our science count.
Ten years from now they will probably still be adding more mathematical dimensions to their physics model in an attempt to balance the books, or even be making appeals to psychology, and the biology of perception – and at the back of our minds we may know that Newton was also into alchemy …..

Humanity may at some point wish to turn against science – for what the masses perceive as science is failing them eg. AIDS, Cancer, CJD, MRSA
It is for this reason that the transhuman can and should come to the fore, distinguishing themselves with reason and good scientific method and by the just criticism of the failures within bad practise of the scientific method.
Let’s be honest – for the transhuman to succeed it will be at the expense of the old interests of the old scientific paradigm. There is going to be displeasure and division if refutations are made to stand.
The good news though is that rich corporations and CEOs will want transhumans to deliver the goods so the ‘Transhumans’ will attract funding at the expense of the ‘Einsteinians.’
Natural selection of the most competitive and enabling transhuman memes would follow.


Transhumanity must be wary of waving elitist ideologies about like a red flag to the human and Einsteinian bulls, because not one, but thousands of Galileos will come forward to make their revisions. Such a movement could be perceived as a threat – if not to the stupour of the status quo, then to the many scientific investments that are currently fruitless.

The worst news for the transhuman movement will be the successful infilitration of some agency that may have either personal or political agendas or interests. The only real reason for such an action would be because a successful transhuman movement will alter the flow and direction of profit and investment capital. However if the movement stands by its reason, its scientific practise and its democratic ethics it may be hard to derail.

I have recently witnessed how democratic constitutions and assets can be hijacked within a small international Society – and how witch hunts and rational response to persistent aggravation can be used to wear down good people. Cabals, Cartels, Interest Groups, Fractions, Egos – all Human recipes for disaster – and of course in an elite thinking group there has to be limited internal dialogue.
Perhaps transhumanity can achieve NGO status within the United Nations, or perhaps that would be a bad move as it would require the imposition of constraints. If the world is moving towards Global Governance, however, and transhumanity can have the genius of fresh solutions and achievements under its belt – perhaps a real Age of Enlightenment can be initiated and led by the transhuman movement.


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12/3/2002
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Well the author does seem to have pissing and moaning simultaneously down.


drew McZooL
12/3/2002
7:31 PM Re: TRANSHUMANISM
Transhumanism is a movement of atheistic scientists intent
on moving their brains and or knowledge into cyborgs
and other technologies.
Transhumanism has a history of eugenics delusions and masterrace
ideologies - and I have been collecting their discussions since 1996 [see
www.zeroparadoxuniversity.com]

they are not all white coat nerds however - and could be a useful ally in
the ´disturbances in the force´ to come.
It may be though that their social and democratic ideas are just a cover
story for the birth of their Terminator T6 series ...

I did make one effort to get them round the table though







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don't you mean it did not manifest, that is what I read after I changed it, now the number is 900
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Can anyone enlighten me as to what happened on 12/20?
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9teen My guess is that that is the moment that Trinity gained full control of GLP after purchasing it from the previous owner.
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Christmas massacre
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7491t9 The Defeat of the Old Guard. [link to www.youtube.com]
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don't you mean it did not manifest, that is what I read after I changed it, now the number is 900
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Where are you getting these links?

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Dood, they're like...just out there, ya know...

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Where are you getting these links?

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Dood, they're like...just out there, ya know...

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Left the building

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this is from 12/2/2002 :)

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Just wanted to highlight this part of your post...

12/3/2002

they are not all white coat nerds however - and could be a useful ally in
the ´disturbances in the force´ to come.
It may be though that their social and democratic ideas are just a cover
story for the birth of their Terminator T6 series ...

I did make one effort to get them round the table though

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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GLP is the light that does not go out.

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WOW ---->>> [link to www.gematrix.org]

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ZOMG!
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Damn straight

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Star Fire reference:

[link to www.halexandria.org]

It's said that blood (certain blood) has a rich mixture of the secretions from the pineal gland that in ancient times was imbibed by those seeking the power outside of themselves instead of from within (those cheating bastards :P)
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Reference to :

The God before God...origin of nature AND God kind of thing?
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so god becomes material reality (universe) "organic"

the living god that always is
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The Contact Thread ~ The Magic Of Our Fractal Reality ~ Wanna Take A Ride?
You know that scene in the movie 'Contact' where an intelligent signal pattern is detected from space?
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"they all travel here through that transit system that you built"?

"we didn`t build it, we do not know who did. they were gone long before we ever got here. maybe someday they will come back."



why synchronicity is rockon
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Sounds right... ;P

Isaiah 40:7-8

New International Version (NIV)

7 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God endures forever.


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That's whatcha get fer being a dickhead to nice people...

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Came up with a proper response just now tounge

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Doesn't look like she has much to say.
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