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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) this is the third bleak artical I have read this morning, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 503157where is all the good news??? :::glpoddit: :::glplifer: political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) (but couldnt predict own failures) Quoting: G. HouseThat is presumptive on your part. They probably saw it coming, they just didn't broadcast it. thats a fkn GIVEN. however i made that declaration in lieu of them playing stupid to the collapse. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Kristine a/k/a Kassandra User ID: 630015 United States 03/08/2009 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) this is the third bleak artical I have read this morning, Quoting: Phennommennonnwhere is all the good news??? :::glpoddit: :::glplifer: Good post phenomenon. I'm pretty hot at 44 myself -- LOL! Have a good morning everyone |
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G. House User ID: 630176 Netherlands 03/08/2009 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) (but couldnt predict own failures) Quoting: PhennommennonnThat is presumptive on your part. They probably saw it coming, they just didn't broadcast it. thats a fkn GIVEN. however i made that declaration in lieu of them playing stupid to the collapse. Then your topic title is a bit trite? Perhaps wouldn't would have been a better word than couldn't. Or perhaps just leave off the parenthesized remark entirely? "Everybody lies." |
Avian User ID: 265661 United States 03/08/2009 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) this is the third bleak artical I have read this morning, Quoting: Kristine a/k/a Kassandra 630015where is all the good news??? :::glpoddit: :::glplifer: Good post phenomenon. I'm pretty hot at 44 myself -- LOL! Have a good morning everyone show us the twins Kassandra...show us the twins baby "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frédéric Bastiat food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) this only proves one thing...need i say it here? political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) Then your topic title is a bit trite? Quoting: G. HousePerhaps wouldn't would have been a better word than couldn't. Or perhaps just leave off the parenthesized remark entirely? G house dont break my balls here. those who know me understand my sarcasm and dont need it spelled out for them. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) related World’s Biggest Banks to Meet in London [link to www.blacklistednews.com] Source: Reuters TOKYO - Chief executives of leading Japanese, European and U.S. banks will meet in London to discuss the future of the financial system, the Nikkei newspaper reported, as the global financial crisis prompts a barrage of new regulatory proposals for the sector. The Japanese business daily said the British government would host the meeting on March 24, after a Group of 20 (G20) finance ministers meeting in London next weekend and ahead of a summit of G20 leaders there on April 2. The G20 summit of big developed and developing countries in London aims to put the world economy on a path to recovery with banks facing strong calls for new regulations ranging from increased supervision of the financial sector to limits on executive bonuses. Invitations to the meeting of bankers had been sent to leading institutions including JPMorgan Chase and HSBC, the newspaper said, without naming any sources. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group president Nobuo Kuroyanagi would attend the meeting, which the paper said would discuss regulations to prevent further crises similar to the meltdown of the subprime mortgage market. The London summit will follow last November's G20 crisis meeting in Washington and aims to agree on coordinated actions to revive the global economy, regulate the financial sector and principles for reforming international financial institutions. In the lead up to the summit, European leaders have called for tighter global banking supervision while U.S. President Barack Obama has urged a sweeping overhaul of Wall Street regulations. The European Commission's proposals range from tougher bank capital rules to streamlining supervision, more transparency in derivatives markets and proposals to penalise banks whose remuneration policies encourage excessive risk-taking. China said on Saturday it wanted a major say in talks about reworking the global financial order and there should be more power for developing countries in the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. (Reporting by New York desk and Rodney Joyce; Editing by Tomasz Janowski) political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 300370 United States 03/08/2009 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) GREAT Title! Love it!! And Kudos to you! (shhh...rumblings over years that g*house is bot / ai / interface...can be much fun to observe those...circui*t**breake*r another..latter is for anything to do with N------ancy and the Z club) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 620712 United States 03/08/2009 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) dont you all find it conveniently INconvenient that every player in this financial circus show is crying the blues of: insolvency, save us from ruin, et al etc...but they continue to (publicly) practice poor mgmt; trips, hotel parties, jets, and of course the needle in the side - BONUS'. And not one single (gov official) is sticking their neck out to do anything about it. Quoting: Phennommennonnthis only proves one thing...need i say it here? It is in their nature to do so. Their greed knows no bounds. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) GREAT Title! Love it!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300370And Kudos to you! (shhh...rumblings over years that g*house is bot / ai / interface...can be much fun to observe those...circui*t**breake*r another..latter is for anything to do with N------ancy and the Z club) G house pissed all over GLP when the site when dark in Feb now G wants to piss about the thread not being put in retard terms. G house is just a chronic bitch meister. meh. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
rancelot User ID: 240916 United States 03/08/2009 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) Morgan Stanley opted not to purchase my updated futures study, EVERYTHING IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE, because they thought the $127 fee was too high. As a result they relied on old data that spun their company down the toilet. Told ya so! |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) [link to www.marketwatch.com] crooks/liars old but applicable CROOK ALERT!! MUTUAL FUND CONFLICTS AND CROOKED PRACTICES [link to hubpages.com] JPMorgan Pulled Cash Early From Madoff-Linked Funds [link to digg.com] SHAME ON JP MORGAN CHASE, NA --- THEY DISREGARD FEDERAL LAW pdf file [link to www.free-press-release.com] html [link to 74.125.47.132] political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519048 Netherlands 03/08/2009 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) “The last time G.E. cut its dividend was during the Great Depression,” he pointed out. He was quiet for a minute. Then he added, “If G.E. is in trouble, God help us all.” [link to newsusa.myfeedportal.com] --- --- --- Seeing G.E. the way they are is very telling. Yes, as some point out they should not have gotten mixed up in the credit business, but still, very telling. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 629977 United States 03/08/2009 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) (but couldnt predict own failures) Quoting: G. HouseThat is presumptive on your part. They probably saw it coming, they just didn't broadcast it. They saw it coming and took the steps to let it happen. TO MAKE IT HAPPEN |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 628289 United States 03/08/2009 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) (but couldnt predict own failures) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 629977That is presumptive on your part. They probably saw it coming, they just didn't broadcast it. They saw it coming and took the steps to let it happen. TO MAKE IT HAPPEN It's as if these institutions intentionally over payed themselves with bonuses, seemingly KNOWING in advance that they'd get taxpayer money anyway, so they were extravagant. The question is, how were they so sure of the bail-outs? Me thinks there is a boy's club....and we ain't in it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 283563 United States 03/08/2009 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) GREAT Title! Love it!! Quoting: PhennommennonnAnd Kudos to you! (shhh...rumblings over years that g*house is bot / ai / interface...can be much fun to observe those...circui*t**breake*r another..latter is for anything to do with N------ancy and the Z club) G house pissed all over GLP when the site when dark in Feb now G wants to piss about the thread not being put in retard terms. G house is just a chronic bitch meister. meh. G.House was whining in another thread that his wife was a bitch and his kids were fucked. He's just chatting you up, hoping maybe he can get in your pants. He's a delusional piece of shit as I'm sure you know. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 03/08/2009 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) G house pissed all over GLP when the site when dark in Feb now G wants to piss about the thread not being put in retard terms. G house is just a chronic bitch meister. meh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 283563G.House was whining in another thread that his wife was a bitch and his kids were fucked. He's just chatting you up, hoping maybe he can get in your pants. He's a delusional piece of shit as I'm sure you know. newsflash: i wouldnt fuck g house w/a donut hole. to be frank, i wouldnt suck his lousy dick if i was suffocating and there was oxygen in his balls. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 405892 United States 03/08/2009 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) (but couldnt predict own failures) Quoting: G. HouseThat is presumptive on your part. They probably saw it coming, they just didn't broadcast it. Presumptive? Really? And how would you be knowing that? "...probably saw it coming"? Probably??? You are guessing, right? Or are you just probably guessing? More likely, they were well nigh certain of it. Your average rapists work that way routinely. They know what's comin' down too and would never broadcast a whiff of that B4 the dirty deed gets done. Ain't life sometimes spicey? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 514538 United States 03/08/2009 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) [link to www.chartingstocks.net] Quoting: PhennommennonnMorgan Stanley’s UK equity strategist Graham Secker painted a bleak economic picture for the United Kingdom. In his morning forecast, Mr. Secker warned that UK profits could fall by 60% in the current downturn - a worse performance than the great depression of the 1930s. “We now forecast UK profits [will] fall by 60% across 2008 and 2009. While this sounds a rather draconian and hyperbolic downgrade, we believe it is realistic and incorporates the big losses that have come to light in the banking sector as well as a sharp drop in commodity prices (oil was $100 last September). “Our forecasts assume that the banks sector makes around a £20bn loss in 2008 and 2009 and that the insurance sector makes no profit in 2008. The profile is much less severe if we strip out the banks – for example, our model suggests profits for the market ex-financials will fall 24% in 2009 post 15% growth in 2008. “At this point we are also officially introducing a top-down 2010 earnings per share and dividends per share growth forecast of 0%. While this could be perceived as “fence-sitting”, we think it accurately reflects both our uncertainties about the future and an underlying bias not to want to invest in assets based on the expectation of any economic or profit growth next year. “If our expectation of a 60% peak-to-trough decline in UK profits is correct, this would mark an even worse outcome than that seen in the early 1930s when our data suggests profits fell by around 57%. However we do not consider this forecast unreasonable – prior to this downturn, we saw the biggest 5-year increase in corporate profits in the history of our data and hence it is not unreasonable to also expect the biggest bust. “As bad as a 60% fall in profits is, it would have been even worse were it not for a big foreign exchange benefit. In the last six months US dollar/pound has fallen from 1.8 to 1.45 and, given the prevalence of US dollar reporters in the UK, this has boosted UK market earnings by around £10bn. On a ‘constant currency basis’ 2009 earnings would be nearly 10% lower than we currently forecast and hence our peak-to-trough drop would be approaching 70%. The most obvious example of this can be found in the energy sector where profits are set to fall 70% in US dollar terms on our analysts’ forecast (oil price averages $35 this year), yet by just 50% in sterling terms. “The sustained weakness in equity markets in recent months suggests that traditional equity valuations are rather irrelevant at the current time. In the second half of last year, this was partly due to the over-riding dominance of investor de-leveraging, in our view. In more recent times, however, we suspect that the irrelevance of valuations owes more to a complete lack of investor confidence in the correct level of earnings, dividends and even book value.” You certainly can not accuse Mr. Secker of being early as UK stocks have already dropped 65% from their peak. image here [link to www.chartingstocks.net] www.chartingstocks.net? Not reliable source |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 617833 United States 03/08/2009 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: KETTLE....BLACK>>Morgan Stanley predicts economic collapse worse than depression (but couldnt predict own failures) “The last time G.E. cut its dividend was during the Great Depression,” he pointed out. He was quiet for a minute. Then he added, “If G.E. is in trouble, God help us all.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519048[link to newsusa.myfeedportal.com] --- --- --- Seeing G.E. the way they are is very telling. Yes, as some point out they should not have gotten mixed up in the credit business, but still, very telling. Frack G.E. all they've done the last century is stifle inovation for better energy uses and get in position to bleed everyone dry from them having a monopoly of how energy is developed and made. Frack em. Let em go to hell. |