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So, if the Scientists are Right

 
Hypatia
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So, if the Scientists are Right
About the nature of reality, then the observer is the key to what that reality is.

Hmmm... now suppose a million scientist "say" they believe a thing works this way, but YOU know how it works through an observation you made about something else.

Is your "knowing," enough to go against a bunch of scientists "theories?" I say yes. the knowing of one person can influence reality. That's why there's avatars and masters who have been helping the earth.

Let's say later, you double-check to see if what you thought you knew was correct and of course it was. Would it have been correct before you made it so?

Is this what magic is...?
"'The time has come, the walrus said, 'to talk of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax. Of cabbages and kings.'"

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Hi Hypatia,...

Sounds like this:...

"The Milgram experiment was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Hope you are well.


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Hi Hypatia,...

Sounds like this:...

"The Milgram experiment was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Hope you are well.


Z
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Hey zack. I am well. I hope you are as well. Thanks.

Zack, the veils are thinning. Have you noticed?
"'The time has come, the walrus said, 'to talk of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax. Of cabbages and kings.'"

-Lewis Carroll, "The Walrus and the Carpenter"

I don't care how bad the storm is. It's better than sitting in a swamp
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Re: So, if the Scientists are Right
hmmmm

Scientists... what an unusual word now.

Are we talking political scientist, social scientist?

Climatologist, botonist, chemist, meteorologist, geologist?
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Hey zack. I am well. I hope you are as well. Thanks.

Zack, the veils are thinning. Have you noticed?
 Quoting: Hypatia


Yes,...it is very plan to see now for me Hypatia. Not only are veils thinning everywhere I look,...but things appear to be speeding up. innovation (novelty)is coming at such a rapid rate that I can no longer keep up.

As per,...McKenna as the whole "quickening" notion. I feel great though. I have to go mix some concrete now. Almost done with a Staw-bale gathering place. Very cool.

Creation.

Authorities can influence public opinion. People have to fight for their own mind. Glad yer out there fightin'


Talk to you later.



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The Heisenberg Compensators are barely keeping up.
I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit.
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Re: So, if the Scientists are Right
About the nature of reality, then the observer is the key to what that reality is.

Hmmm... now suppose a million scientist "say" they believe a thing works this way, but YOU know how it works through an observation you made about something else.

Is your "knowing," enough to go against a bunch of scientists "theories?" I say yes. the knowing of one person can influence reality. That's why there's avatars and masters who have been helping the earth.

Let's say later, you double-check to see if what you thought you knew was correct and of course it was. Would it have been correct before you made it so?

Is this what magic is...?
 Quoting: Hypatia

that's what free will is all about
we must be convinced by our own experience
otherwise, we are throwing away our integrity
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Re: So, if the Scientists are Right
Once observed, from the very first observation, what is observed becomes more and more real.

It does not seem to matter what is doing the observing however.

A mouse observing something has the same effect that a human will. What matters is that the observer has the capability of sensing something and is in the right place at the right time.

This may be less important to the grand scheme of things however, as the multiple worlds theory is gaining scientific strength.

This states that ALL things that can happen do happen, in their own reality set.

If this is the case, then magic is only being in that reality scheme in which what you wish to observe is what actually happens.

Odds are there is more to it than this however! There almost always is.

Note though, what you DESIRE to observe does not, scientifically speaking, effect the observation.

If it does in reality, though science is not aware of it yet, then there is your magic, which I think was perhaps your original point?
And all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"

And I'll look down and whisper "No."
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I know even he seemed to get it wrong, but I always read Aleister Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" as a bit of amazing truth.

He, and many others, took it as "do whatever you feel like", but I can't help but read it as "Do what you willed into existence for yourself". People that seem to enjoy their misery seem to have lots of it, while folks that push hard for success usually reach some level of the same.

I'm not talking about casual, fly-by-night desires, but that deep, driving willpower we all have lurking beneath the surface. Some people want to be happy, but they keep doing things to ruin that happiness, and while they might cry or complain about it, from an outsider's point of view, they tend to milk those problems, and repeat them over and over.

Conversely, someone might always expect things to go wrong, but deep down inside they have a driving spirit toward their real goals, and despite their best efforts to be miserable, they can't help but have a pretty good life, and amazing things just seem to happen to them.

We are what we want ourselves to be, although that's not always so obvious to us at times.
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