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So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 514082  Spain03/16/2009 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 311438  Canada03/16/2009 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... Fast forward...New Testament John 1 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John the Baptist 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. The Lamb of God 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 508769  United States03/16/2009 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... Ah the inconsistencies and contradictions are many in the bible. Many are the things that just "don't make sense" or are irrational. You could beat your head on a rock all day trying to make sense of it all. And there's no convincing hardcore believers that these things exist anyways. Fine questions though. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636074 United States03/16/2009 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... dumb. the point wasn't that G-d liked the idea of a dead animal, rather than fruit, it was that abel gave up something he truly cared about. cain didn't do that. dumb. actually read the bible before you comment on it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636073 United States03/16/2009 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... Ah the inconsistencies and contradictions are many in the bible. Many are the things that just "don't make sense" or are irrational. You could beat your head on a rock all day trying to make sense of it all. And there's no convincing hardcore believers that these things exist anyways. Fine questions though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 508769Agree. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636090 United States03/16/2009 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... I dont suppose that anyone has considered the reason behind Moses' law of sacrificing cattle. Remember, Egypt worshipped the cow as a "god". Even the Hebrews came to worship the cow, going so far as to give over their gold jewelry so Aaron would sanction the fashioning of the "golden calf". If you can kill it, it ain't a god. This was the lesson the Hebrews had to understand. Nothing was to be worshipped above God and man, who was created to have dominion over the Earth. . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636073 United States03/16/2009 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... If you can kill it, it ain't a god. This was the lesson the Hebrews had to understand. Nothing was to be worshipped above God and man, who was created to have dominion over the Earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 636090. There goes the Jesus myth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 608014 Canada03/16/2009 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... In the Old Testament we are told that God was not amused when Cain offered fruits of the earth to God, he was rather more pleased with Abels offering of a dead animal killed for God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 514082So Im supposed to believe that the God of Love and Creator of All, the God of the Messiah Jesus who is the giver of Life and Life itself preferred an innocent young animal to be butchered for him rather than an offering of fruit? He prefered to see the fear and anguish in the eyes of the young animal who knew it was going to be butchered? Prefered to hear that animal squeal in pain as the knife slit its throat? Much preferred to see the blood gushing out? rather than an offering of fruits of the earth? Something isnt right here now is it? So I suppose you are a vegetarian and have never eaten meat of any kind. Describe for me if you will, oh learned one, exactly how beef cattle and other animals are slaughtered for food. You better be an expert there because I already know the details. Secondly, if you were God, how would you take it if people believed in you based on how they thought you should be were instead of how you really were. As my assistant pastor once said, the God of Creation is who He is, and the gospel is the only game in town. Finally, oh thou that knowest all things pertaining to love, life, and the innocent: what did you do...today...to help the poor and needy in the world or in your neighborhood? And what will you do tomorrow? And the next day, and the next? You are your own hypocrite! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 598678 United States03/16/2009 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... First of all, talking about god as if it was some sexed being in outer space is absolutely ridiculous but understandable for the bronze age cultures at the time. today, this is unacceptable any longer. when will people stop believing in such idiocies as they did with the flat earth theory? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636106 Canada03/16/2009 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... SECRETS OF ENOCH Chapter 45 GOD shows how HE does not want from men sacrifices, nor burnt-offerings, but pure and contrite hearts 1 Whoever hastens to make offerings before the LORD'S face, the LORD for his part will hasten that offering by granting of his work. 2 But whoever increases his lamp before the LORD'S face and make not true judgment, the LORD will not increase his treasure in the realm of the highest. 3 When the LORD demands bread, or candles, or the flesh of beasts, or any other sacrifice, then that is nothing; but GOD demands pure hearts, and with all that only tests the heart of man.  |
| SpaceCommand User ID: 533318 United States03/16/2009 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... "A path without heart is always hard." Carlos Castaneda It is not how difficult the "sacrifice," was, it is the condition of the person inside. The myth here, whether true or not, is about people, not killing animals, nor offering fruit. It is about truthfulness, sincerity, inner qualities brought forth in this primitive religion. The God here is the spirit inside a person. We are talking about God, so we are perceiving God, not an isolated third party that cares nothing. The mark of Cain was a tribal mark, something primitive people used for protection. Do we no longer believe a God makes earthquakes to punish people, and so forth? Our faith is about a Kingdom of Heaven within ourselves. "A path with heart is always easy." Carlos Castaneda "With an eye made quiet by the power of harmony and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things." William Wordsworth And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address Lincoln's economic advisor Henry C. Carey explained the universal issue in his 1851 Harmony of Interests: "Two systems are before the world.... One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other ... the American system, for ... elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world." "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein |
| Prof_Rabbit User ID: 148352  Australia03/16/2009 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... dumb. the point wasn't that G-d liked the idea of a dead animal, rather than fruit, it was that abel gave up something he truly cared about. cain didn't do that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 636074dumb. actually read the bible before you comment on it. Something you might try too do first (read it). Leviticus 1 1:11 And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar. "Kill and sprinkle blood round about." 1:12 And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar: (1:12-13) "Cut it into pieces and burn it for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:13 But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. And on and on for 9 chapters. "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
| ThreshingSword User ID: 428873 United States03/16/2009 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... Something isnt right here now is it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 514082Yeah, your spiritual blindness. Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim "seed" are TPTB. [email protected] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 456597 United States03/16/2009 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... Sacrifice's are no longer required, the old testament is just that, everything will be made NEW, it's over, time to move on, something greater than all is HERE, something that GOD will LOVE to worship Him, the CHILDREN of the SON, the TRUE CHILDREN of GOD |
| The Psychedelic Magi User ID: 611217 United States03/16/2009 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... there were many "gods" spoken in the bible. sometimes, it was the Great Deceiver speaking when it was called "God". One is of Love - It is True. One is of fear and hatred - it is not True. I WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action! A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others... ------------------------------------ In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them. This is the Cosm. This is both I and You. I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine! ------------------ as soon as you even go near these things your ego knows what it is.. its all like "what ya gonna do with that?" "Hope you not gonna take it" "cause i will throw myself down on the floor and scratch, claw and bite and tantrum" - Kyuubi "the gift of love makes much more sense than frankincense gold and myrhh" - Only Me |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 633680 United States03/16/2009 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... We are that animal that needs put to death. That's the Beast: the life controlled by animal instincts and appetites. All that stuff in the old testament was symbolism. . .word pictures to convey the truths we need to learn. The daily sacrifice was an exercise to drive home our need to "take up our cross daily", and offer ourself a living sacrifice - in Christ. The "fruit" we offer is meaningless until we put to death the old self, which allows us to bear the fruit of the spirit: love, patience, kindness, etc. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 426194 United States03/16/2009 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... If you can kill it, it ain't a god. This was the lesson the Hebrews had to understand. Nothing was to be worshipped above God and man, who was created to have dominion over the Earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 636073. There goes the Jesus myth. Except that Jesus isn't dead. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 541166 United States03/16/2009 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... But, you knew that already. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 426194 United States03/16/2009 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... I'm sure GOD liked the other, because, how much harder, emotionally to kill, and harder to prepare than picking fruit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 456597In a word, yes. There WERE acceptable grain offerings talked about later. An "offering" has to do with what is actual sacrifice. You've pretty much got it here. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 426194 United States03/16/2009 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... It is a mystery of God as to why blood covers sins. There were fruit offerings as well for other Jewish rituals. Cain's problem was his attitude toward God, not the offering. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541166But, you knew that already. Yes. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636170 United States03/16/2009 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... If you can kill it, it ain't a god. This was the lesson the Hebrews had to understand. Nothing was to be worshipped above God and man, who was created to have dominion over the Earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426194. There goes the Jesus myth. Except that Jesus isn't dead. He died for you sins didn't he? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 426194 United States03/16/2009 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... dumb. the point wasn't that G-d liked the idea of a dead animal, rather than fruit, it was that abel gave up something he truly cared about. cain didn't do that. Quoting: Prof_Rabbitdumb. actually read the bible before you comment on it. Something you might try too do first (read it). Leviticus 1 1:11 And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar. "Kill and sprinkle blood round about." 1:12 And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar: (1:12-13) "Cut it into pieces and burn it for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:13 But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. And on and on for 9 chapters. YOU might want to read the portions that discuss acceptable grain offerings. Other posters are correct. It has to do with attitude and sacrifice - giving something valuable because you value God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 426194 United States03/16/2009 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... If you can kill it, it ain't a god. This was the lesson the Hebrews had to understand. Nothing was to be worshipped above God and man, who was created to have dominion over the Earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 636170. There goes the Jesus myth. Except that Jesus isn't dead. He died for you sins didn't he? He did not remain dead. He suffered death, but he lives. |
| Krysalis User ID: 570987 United States03/16/2009 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... dumb. the point wasn't that G-d liked the idea of a dead animal, rather than fruit, it was that abel gave up something he truly cared about. cain didn't do that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 636074dumb. actually read the bible before you comment on it. I second this!!!! |
| LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 531407 United States03/16/2009 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... In the Old Testament we are told that God was not amused when Cain offered fruits of the earth to God, he was rather more pleased with Abels offering of a dead animal killed for God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 514082So Im supposed to believe that the God of Love and Creator of All, the God of the Messiah Jesus who is the giver of Life and Life itself preferred an innocent young animal to be butchered for him rather than an offering of fruit? He prefered to see the fear and anguish in the eyes of the young animal who knew it was going to be butchered? Prefered to hear that animal squeal in pain as the knife slit its throat? Much preferred to see the blood gushing out? rather than an offering of fruits of the earth? Something isnt right here now is it? You left out the part about BURNING FLESH. Go re-read it, you are leaving out the level of barbarisim. "I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln." -2010 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 426194 United States03/16/2009 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... In the Old Testament we are told that God was not amused when Cain offered fruits of the earth to God, he was rather more pleased with Abels offering of a dead animal killed for God. Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIIISo Im supposed to believe that the God of Love and Creator of All, the God of the Messiah Jesus who is the giver of Life and Life itself preferred an innocent young animal to be butchered for him rather than an offering of fruit? He prefered to see the fear and anguish in the eyes of the young animal who knew it was going to be butchered? Prefered to hear that animal squeal in pain as the knife slit its throat? Much preferred to see the blood gushing out? rather than an offering of fruits of the earth? Something isnt right here now is it? You left out the part about BURNING FLESH. Go re-read it, you are leaving out the level of barbarisim. Have you ever BEEN to a BBQ? It smells wonderful. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 636170 United States03/16/2009 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: So This God of the Old Testament preferred a dead animal to an offering of fruit???? Now lets get real here..... If you can kill it, it ain't a god. This was the lesson the Hebrews had to understand. Nothing was to be worshipped above God and man, who was created to have dominion over the Earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 426194. There goes the Jesus myth. Except that Jesus isn't dead. He died for you sins didn't he? He did not remain dead. He suffered death, but he lives. Really? Where is he? Chicago? |
