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Top Constitutional Scholar: Secret Bush Memos Reveal Plan For “Massive Military Takeover Of US”

 
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Top Constitutional Scholar: Secret Bush Memos Reveal Plan For “Massive Military Takeover Of US”
A top constitutional scholar has said that recently released Justice Department memos prove that nefarious elements within the Bush Administration were planning a massive military takeover of the country and that the documents should be used to bring charges of treason.

In an interview with author Naomi Wolf, legal expert Michael Ratner explains how the move toward total elimination of First, Fourth and Fifth amendment rights, as outlined in the memos, cannot be taken in isolated relation to terrorism related prosecutions and instead represents a smoking gun of a larger intention toward the general population.

“The memos revealed how massive the takeover of our democracy was to be — that this wasn’t just going to be a few individuals here or there who suffered the arrows of a police state.” Ratner says.

“These memos lay the groundwork for a massive military takeover of the United States in cahoots with the president. And if that’s not a coup d’etat then, nothing is.”

The nine DOJ memos, released earlier this month, were mostly written by former assistant attorney general John Yoo. They reveal how the rights of all American citizens have been effectively stripped away under the auspices of the so called “war on terror”.

They argue for a broad range of powers under the office of the president that cannot be restricted by any law or constitutional right or treaty.

They argue that the legal rights of anyone considered a terrorist suspect can be completely rescinded by the president, that the president may order the military to operate in the U.S. without constitutional restrictions, that the prohibition on unreasonable search and seizure takes a back seat to fighting terrorism domestically, and that the president can, in the name of wartime restrictions, limit free speech.

Read our previous summary of the memos here.

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Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, describes the legal arguments made in the memos as “Law by fiat”, underscoring the historical precedent of such attempts to subvert long established legal protections and processes.

“If you are familiar with the history of dictators, coups and fascism (as I know you are), they (the planners) prefer a veneer of legality.” Ratner explains.

“Hitler killed 6 million Jews with a veneer of legality — getting his dictatorial powers through the Reichstag and the courts. These memos gave the Bush administration’s [lawless] practices the veneer of legality.”

“Who has suspended the law this way in the past? It is like a Caesar’s law in Rome; a Mussolini’s law in Italy; a Fuhrer’s law in Germany; a Stalin’s law in the Soviet Union. It is right down the line. It is enforcing the will of the dictator through the military.”

Ratner believes that the memos provide ground for charges of treason against Bush Administration officials such as Dick Cheney and the president himself.

“I do think that a plan to control the military, use it in the United States contrary to law and the Constitution and employ it to levy a war or takeover that eliminates the democratic institutions of the country constitutes treason, even if done under the president of the United States.”

“The authority given by these memos that could be used to raid every congressional office, raid and search every home, detain tens of thousands, would certainly fit a definition of treason.”

Perhaps most importantly, Ratner acknowledges the fact that the details outlined in the memos were, to a great extent, actively implemented.

“Here they crept right up and actually implemented part of the plan, with Padilla, with the warrantless wiretapping. Yet they are saying in the White House and in Congress that it is looking backward to investigate the authors of these memos and those who instructed Yoo and others to write them.”

“But investigation and prosecutions are really looking forward — to say we need the deterrence of prosecution so this does not happen again.” Ratner states.

As we have previously outlined, we have not seen any deviation from the Bush-era war on terror policies by Obama.

There has been no repeal of Patriot Acts I and II by the Obama administration. Nor have we seen a reversal of Bush’s signing statement that would effectively repeal the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, legislation that stemmed directly from the opinions and counsel offered in the previously secret Justice Department memos.

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The doj memos

[link to www.usdoj.gov]
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OOOOOHHHH, Bumpity-Bump-Bump-Bump, OP.

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Plans being made elsewhere too:

Check your recent Council Tax Bill

I have just received a call from the Treasurer of the Avon & Somerset Police Authority.

I queried why in the budget I received through the post,why it showed a tenfold increase from £2M in 2008/9 to £20m 2009/10 for Capital expenditure.

Tenfold ! We are in a small largely rural District Council

This was hurriedly explain as a refurbishment project for detention facilities that needed bringing up to 21st standards.

Pressing a little harder it turns out this is not a refurbishment project at all. It is a PFI project with the Home Office ( I did not get an answer as to where the money is going to be borrowed from and on what terms) to build 'detention facilities' near Motorways and in City Centres.

I have published before the job advert for an asessor for this programme, but then it was being done under the auspices of the Foreign Office.

The State is building a lot more detention capability because it thinks it is going to need it. [link to bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com]
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Total treason and no one in power that took an oath to defend the constitution is doing anything. Traitors run our country and court system.
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the plan has been laid out - Bush became too unpopular to carry it out, which was most likely done on purpose - enter Obama, with mass appeal and popularity

what's Naomi Wolf saying about Obama? is she playing the role of left-gatekeeper?
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I guess they forgot to take over?
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This should be pinned.
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the plan has been laid out - Bush became too unpopular to carry it out, which was most likely done on purpose - enter Obama, with mass appeal and popularity

what's Naomi Wolf saying about Obama? is she playing the role of left-gatekeeper?
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heres the interview:

[link to www.alternet.org]
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Terror Memos Reveal Total Destruction Of U.S. Constitutional Freedoms

[link to infowars.net]
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I guess they forgot to take over?
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Ohh don't worry. They haven't forgotten. Both parties are puppets of TPTB and we have now entered either the final act of the play or the next to the final act.
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This is something that need to be investigated and we need to undo anything on the books that is part of this ASAP.
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This is something that need to be investigated and we need to undo anything on the books that is part of this ASAP.
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Like the IRS. Taxation and war powers are the path to power. Always were, always will be.
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... laugh ... laugh ... laugh ...
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... you think in ended with Bush? ...
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... LOOK AROUND YOU!!!! ...
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... THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW OWNS/CONTROLS EVERYTHING!! ...
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... laugh ... because otherwise I would cry ...
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Plans being made elsewhere too:

Check your recent Council Tax Bill

I have just received a call from the Treasurer of the Avon & Somerset Police Authority.

I queried why in the budget I received through the post,why it showed a tenfold increase from £2M in 2008/9 to £20m 2009/10 for Capital expenditure.

Tenfold ! We are in a small largely rural District Council

This was hurriedly explain as a refurbishment project for detention facilities that needed bringing up to 21st standards.

Pressing a little harder it turns out this is not a refurbishment project at all. It is a PFI project with the Home Office ( I did not get an answer as to where the money is going to be borrowed from and on what terms) to build 'detention facilities' near Motorways and in City Centres.

I have published before the job advert for an asessor for this programme, but then it was being done under the auspices of the Foreign Office.

The State is building a lot more detention capability because it thinks it is going to need it. [link to bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Normal Is Subjective


Well something very fishy is going on in Lancashire:
[link to www.tpuc.org] Where is all that money going to and who the hell is in charge of it?
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... laugh ... laugh ... laugh ...
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... you think in ended with Bush? ...
.
... LOOK AROUND YOU!!!! ...
.
... THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW OWNS/CONTROLS EVERYTHING!! ...
.
... laugh ... because otherwise I would cry ...
.
 Quoting: GraftedPromise U_ _ofA 641676

You shouldn't verysad or lmao , We should rant and agumball :4: hayseed hayseed hayseed
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This is something that need to be investigated and we need to undo anything on the books that is part of this ASAP.
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Yeh, like the current administration, is going to do anything about it. Or how about congress, or the Judicial branch.

They are all in on it. I am up for suggestions, on how to acomplish, undoing anything, that tptb has put forth!.
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This needs to be investigated but it would be hard to prosecute.
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Wait...what happened? I thought Bush wasn't the President anymore?
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in a couple of months ... you gonna miss these guys
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Once again, GLP'rs vindicated !
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"objects in the mirror are closer than they appear"


damned



better keep your eye on the guy at the wheel

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Can you liberals finally leave the man alone, for Pete's sake?

He's no longer in office! Let him enjoy his retirement.
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the plan has been laid out - Bush became too unpopular to carry it out, which was most likely done on purpose - enter Obama, with mass appeal and popularity

what's Naomi Wolf saying about Obama? is she playing the role of left-gatekeeper?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 602285


She seems very impressed by him,
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Can you liberals finally leave the man alone, for Pete's sake?

He's no longer in office! Let him enjoy his retirement.
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Oh, yes...let him enjoy his retirement while the rest of us 'enjoy' the results of his actions while in office.
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Unlike Bush, Obama is the front man for a much bigger cabal than our former Commander-in-Chief. Rest assured the plan may be different, but the goals are the same.
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Can you liberals finally leave the man alone, for Pete's sake?

He's no longer in office! Let him enjoy his retirement.
 Quoting: Guns n' God


there must be hell to pay for tyrants and traitors like yourself
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Re: Top Constitutional Scholar: Secret Bush Memos Reveal Plan For “Massive Military Takeover Of US”
the plan has been laid out - Bush became too unpopular to carry it out, which was most likely done on purpose - enter Obama, with mass appeal and popularity

what's Naomi Wolf saying about Obama? is she playing the role of left-gatekeeper?


She seems very impressed by him,
[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436143


yeah - she's still a gatekeeper for the left...and thus, gatekeeper for the PTB...fuck 'er

she endorsed Obama, which tells me that she's totally biased and still playing to the left/right bullshit, and/or has her head way the fuck up her ass
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Soooo...The definition of Obamas "change" is a Police State???Greeeeat



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...I'm just guessing of course. Since Obama is exactly like G.W. he will follow up on his 'dictatorship' plans

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