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WTF??! MORMONS believe that BLACK PEOPLE are EVIL !!

 
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I used to knock the bottom out of a mormon chick, she didn't mind a little chocolate.
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explain this:

This debate of race will soon be over. People will know that white people are primarily controlled by the dragon( satan ). They killed all the indigenous people and took their lands:

-America
-Canada
-Central and South America
-Colonized Africa
-Europe
-Asia
-Australia
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Whites were in Australia before the Maori.

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]
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The earliest religious text was found where?

Wasn't it in Africa?

There are alot of religions now, but which ones pre-date the others?

What is that stuff the pope wears? What are some of the holy symbols surrounding the Catholic church? Where did they come from, Europe?

How is it that some of the figures depicted in ancient egypt are depicted as black? Was black considered holy in those times and white considered evil?

Let's take a real look at some of these questions, unbiased... hey it's friday the weeks over lets ask ourselves these questions before believing GOD hates/dislikes/thinks less of black people as a whole.


Can you give me a religion that pre-dates that of which was practiced in ancient Kemet (Egypt) ? I'm browsing religions, this one seems to be the most original.


White people please, understand the powers that be don't care about you either. :)


Africa was not the first habitation of the Israelites and their brethren.

The Egyptians were originally European "Aborigines."


There were White Europeans in Egypt @ ~4000B.C.E.?
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European Aborigines, like all who first inhabited post-flood lands, were Black.
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Jews are a recent phenomenon.

The Messiah is Black.

no, the messiah is highly intelligent and slow to anger, the very opposite of a black


you have just made certain your reservation in the pits of hell.

no, but looks like you have if you keep persecuting those who speak the truth
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You cannot speak truth because your white existence is predicated on a lie.

Daniel, Isaiah and John best describe the phenomenon of the non-black races.
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You cannot speak truth because your white existence is predicated on a lie.

Daniel, Isaiah and John best describe the phenomenon of the non-black races.
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Perverting the truth is your only resort, you have the curse of Ham, white people dont, try dealing with that in a way that excludes lying and projecting your bitterness through those lies, thats your first step
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wow, i reckon they can fall right in line with other "white supremacists"...
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Mormons may not be bigots but there sure are allot of them on this thread.
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Mormons are the BIGGEST LIE IN CREATION, THEY are the ONES that are EVIL, and spreading the BIGGEST LIES out there in all Creation! It is the family of light and the ones that are destined for Terra thare are truth of love and light in all Creation! I love all of my family of light and all of us Terrans that will live on the new glorified earth Terra.

Peace and love.
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The sin regarding Ham is idiotic. It was Noah who did the cursing. He had no special powers to curse generations of anything. Seeing his father's nakedness had to do when Noah got drunk his son slept with his wife. No where did God place a curse against black people, this is a lie.

Mormons have changed their doctrine many times and with regards to blacks that was just one example.
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What was so evil about Cain?
He was a vegetarian, and he killed a murderer who introduced Human sacrifice into the world
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“But let them apostatize, and they will become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 332

[link to www.christiandefense.org]
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Would this be the same Brigham young that married/raped about a hundred teen-aged girls and murdered scores of innocent Indians and other Settlers?
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Cain wasn't killing anyone who introduced the killing of humans. Where did you get such rubbish? Where do you get the idea that Abel introduced sacrifice of humans?
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Cain wasn't killing anyone who introduced the killing of humans. Where did you get such rubbish? Where do you get the idea that Abel introduced sacrifice of humans?
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I got the idea from knowing more than you do
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Darlin' I seriously doubt that. Wherein is your evvidence?
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No, they dont'. My friend was black and Mormon guy was dying to marry her.
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Darlin' I seriously doubt that. Wherein is your evvidence?
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My evidence is my eyes, ears, mind and common sense.

"God" was never interest in sheep, goats and rams to eat. He wanted the top of the food chain.
That's why China is so prosperous today--from feeding "god" so much.
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god is light and in him there is no darkness blacks are dark therefore cannot exist in god there is good than there is evil right and wrong white and black for the people who are ignorant you ever seen a black angel im not mormon i am the word i only speak from what i read people who say i have read the whole bible that means nothing ive read it for 11 years still dont know everything it says never will god allows a person to understand what he wants them to know jesus's apostles said why do you speak in parables he replied to hide the truth from those who wre not meant to understand lest they turn and be saved there minds have been blinded black people will never know the truth god will not let them understand it is the way it is king solomon hated jezebel cause she was dark or black in some text king solomon was loved by god and given great wisdom for him to hate her just cause of her skin there has to be a reason and just to say hitler was not an antichrist he loved jesus that is the reason he killed jews they did not believe in jesus anyone who denies the son denies the father anyone who believes jesus is not he son is an antichrist and the love of god is not in him
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in the new testament it says a person who eats only herbs or a vegetarian are weak in the spirit those who believe you can eat anything there spirit is strong for all things are good
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god is light and in him there is no darkness blacks are dark therefore cannot exist in god there is good than there is evil right and wrong white and black for the people who are ignorant you ever seen a black angel im not mormon i am the word i only speak from what i read people who say i have read the whole bible that means nothing ive read it for 11 years still dont know everything it says never will god allows a person to understand what he wants them to know jesus's apostles said why do you speak in parables he replied to hide the truth from those who wre not meant to understand lest they turn and be saved there minds have been blinded black people will never know the truth god will not let them understand it is the way it is king solomon hated jezebel cause she was dark or black in some text king solomon was loved by god and given great wisdom for him to hate her just cause of her skin there has to be a reason and just to say hitler was not an antichrist he loved jesus that is the reason he killed jews they did not believe in jesus anyone who denies the son denies the father anyone who believes jesus is not he son is an antichrist and the love of god is not in him
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Why don't you let the Holy Spirit interpret the Bible for you...just a suggestion...would not want you to remain in so much ignorance.
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He did not create confusion.

There was but one people before the blood of men was contaminated repeatedly.

God DID create confusion, He confused the people of Babylon who were building a tower to Heaven & thought of themselves as God. He confused their language so they could no longer communicate. This is probably when he changed their appearance too.

During the flood, the nephlim & all else were destroyed, only Noah's bloodline was saved.
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Your statement is not true, according to the written texts. Hams wife had a corrupted bloodline, her name was Eygptus, meaning 'forbidden'.

That is why Ham and his family was SEGREGATED after the ark landed, that is why the bible killed anyone who crossed blood lines. The entire old testament is about bloodlines and genetics.

Only Noah's bloodline was saved is not true, if you believe in such things, of course.
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Mormons have changed their doctrine many times and with regards to blacks that was just one example.
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Please name one religion, ONE that has not changed "its doctrine many times" on any number of themes.

You know any Jews sacrificing animals at Passover? You know any Amish who do not use phones or power tools?

You know any Catholics who eat fish?

You know any Religion that has not changed ONE of its beliefs, practices or doctrines in the last 100 years? I defy you to find ONE.
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We LDS do not hate blacks, and hearsay quotes outside of official cannon don't hold water.
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Oh really? Then please tell us, Mr Saint. . . if they do not hold water, what do they hold?

Remember you are among intelligent people here, unlike the sheeple in your church who are content hearing platitudes such as the one you just regurgitated.

The historical records are full of sick, absurd and embarrassing utterances by your "prophets" and church leaders. The lame response that they "are outside of official cannon [sic]" and therefore "don't hold water" may be good enough for you but intelligent people cannot ignore actual facts such as these:


The Mormon apostle Mark E. Petersen gave a talk at Brigham Young University in 1954 concerning race relations. Here are select parts of that talk:

“Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our WORTHINESS OR LACK OF IT in the pre-existent life?...can we account in any other of way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest AFRICA, or in flood-ridden CHINA, or among the starving hordes of INDIA, while some of the rest of us are born here in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre-existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter-day Saints. THESE ARE REWARDS AND PUNISHMENTS, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with SINNERS AND SAINTS, rewarding all according to their deeds....

Using the Chinese as an example:

“Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. A Chinese, born in China with A DARK SKIN, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. But think of the mercy of God to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. IN SPITE OF WHATEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE IN THE PRE-EXISTENCE TO JUSTIFY BEING BORN OVER THERE AS CHINAMEN, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous?

Concerning Africans:

“Think of the Negro, CURSED AS TO THE PRIESTHOOD.... This negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a BLACK SKIN, and possibly being born in darkest Africa—if that negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. IN SPITE OF ALL HE DID IN THE PRE-EXISTENT LIFE, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there AS A SERVANT, but he will get celestial glory.”

On civil rights. What people of African decent want:

“The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent, and then, of course, they have been persuaded by some of the arguments that have been put forth.... We who teach in the Church certainly must have our feet on the ground and not be led astray by the philosophies of men on this subject... “I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the negro is after. He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the negro seeks absorbtion with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage. That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feeling to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace.'...

On segregation. A Godly principle:

“Now let's talk SEGREGATION again for a few moments. Was segregation a wrong principle? When the Lord chose the nations to which the spirits were to come, determining that some would be Japanese and some would be Chinese and some Negroes and some Americans, He engaged in an act of SEGREGATION.... When he told Enoch not to preach the gospel to the descendants of Cain who were BLACK, the Lord engaged in SEGREGATION. When He CURSED the descendants of Cain as to the Priesthood, He engaged in SEGREGATION.... “Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He SEGREGATED them....The Lord segregated the people both as to blood and place of residence. At least in the cases of the Lamanites and the Negroes we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a curse—as a punishment and as a sign to all others. He forbade intermarriage with them under threat of extension of the curse. (2 Nephi 5:21) And He certainly SEGREGATED the descendants of Cain when He cursed the Negro as to the Priesthood, and drew an absolute line. You may even say He dropped an Iron curtain there....

Mr. Petersen would that every person of African decent drive a Cadillac:

“Now we are generous with the negro. We are willing that the Negro have the highest kind of education. I would be willing to let every Negro drive a Cadillac if they could afford it. I would be willing that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. BUT LET THEM ENJOY THESE THINGS AMONG THEMSELVES, I think the Lord segregated the Negro and who is man to change that segregation? It reminds me of the scripture on marriage, 'what God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.' Only here we have the reverse of the thing— WHAT GOD HATH SEPARATED, LET NOT MAN BRING TOGETHER AGAIN.”
(Race Problems as They Affect the Church, an address by Apostle Mark E. Petersen, delivered at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, Brigham Young University, August 27,1954)
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Occultic and Masonic Influence in Early Mormonism


Mormonism's Link to Occultism

Both Joseph Smith and his father were involved in the occult practice known as "money digging." This involved special rituals and ceremonies which were performed for the purpose of obtaining buried treasure thought to be guarded by evil spirits. Accounts of money digging during the late 1700s and early 1800s are documented in Alan Taylor's article "Treasure Seeking in the American Northeast, 1780-1830", published in American Quarterly, 38 [Spring 1986], pp. 6-34. This article specifically mentions Joseph Smith, Sr., and Jr., on pages 10-12, giving examples of their money digging activities. LDS seminary teacher Grant Palmer also documents the Smith family's occult beliefs and practices, as well as those of their close associates, in his book An Insider's View of Mormon Origins, (SLC, Signature Books, 2002, pp. 175-195).

Joseph's Involvement in Occultism. Joseph Smith, Jr.'s role in the quest for treasure was especially important since he had a seer stone. Joseph would place this small, special rock in his hat then pull the hat up to his face to block out all light. By doing this he claimed he could see supernaturally, and would help those who were digging by locating the place where the treasure was buried and observing the spirits that were guarding it. Joseph Jr., himself admitted to being a money digger, though he said it was never very profitable for him (History of the Church, V. 3, p. 29). He and his father's money digging continued until at least 1826. On March 20th of that year Joseph was arrested, brought before a judge, and charged with being a "glass-looker" and a disorderly person. The laws at that time had what was known as the "Vagrant Act." It defined a disorderly person as one who pretended to have skill in the areas of palmistry, telling fortunes or discovering where lost goods might be found. According to court records Justice Neely determined that Joseph was guilty, though no penalty was administered, quite possibly because this was a first offense (Inventing Mormonism, Marquardt and Walters, SLC: Signature Books, 1994, pp. 74-75).

Occultism and the Start of Mormonism. Shortly after this Joseph discontinued money digging but kept his seer stone. It was with the seer stone that he claimed to both find the plates and later produce the Book of Mormon. This was known by early converts but has since been replaced with later accounts of an angelic visitor. This transition was aided by downplaying the fact that Moroni was a dead Indian warrior, and by referring to him as an angel. Former BYU professor and historian D. Michael Quinn writes:

During this period from 1827 to 1830, Joseph Smith abandoned the company of his former money-digging associates, but continued to use for religious purposes the brown seer stone he had previously employed in the treasure quest. His most intensive and productive use of the seer stone was in the translation of the Book of Mormon. But he also dictated several revelations to his associates through the stone (Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, D. Michael Quinn, Signature Books, SLC, 1987, p. 143.

This fact is supported by LDS author Richard S. Van Wagoner who found,

This stone, still retained by the First Presidency of the LDS Church, was the vehicle through which the golden plates were discovered and the medium through which their interpretation came (Sidney Rigdon: A Portrait of Religious Excess, Signature Books, SLC, 1994, p. 57).

Thus we see that historians have documented a continuity between Joseph's early occultic practices and the origins of Mormonism. This link extends to the development of the LDS Temple ceremony.

Occultic Parallels in the LDS Temple Ceremony. Historian D. Michael Quinn has done extensive research on rites and ancient mysteries related to occultism. He states,

By drawing only on authorized descriptions of the endowment by LDS leaders, I believe it is possible to see within historical context how the Mormon endowment reflected the ancient and occult mysteries far closer than Freemasonry (Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, p. 186).

Quinn then outlines the following ten essential characteristics common to both occult rituals and the Mormon Temple ceremonies:

* They are revealed by God from the beginning, but distorted through apostasy.

* They place an emphasis on the worthiness of initiates.

* They include washings and anointings, a new name and garments

* They emphasize vows of non-disclosure.

* There are both "lesser" and "greater" rituals.

* They feature presentation of the ritual through drama.

* They contain an oath of chastity requiring strict purity and virtue of the participants.

* They feature prominent use of the sun, moon and stars as key symbols.

* The purpose of the ritual is to assist mortals to attain to godhood.

* They employ titles and offices of prophets, priests and kings to those in leadership.

After presenting this material Quinn comments,

To be sure Masonic rituals also shared some similarities with the ancient mysteries, but these were not linked to any concept of heavenly ascent, which was fundamental to both the occult mysteries and to the Mormon endowment. Therefore, what similarities may exist between Freemasonry and Mormonism seem more appropriately to be regarded as superficial, whereas the ancient occult mysteries and the Mormon endowment manifest both philosophical and structural kinship. (Ibid., p. 190).

Mormonism and Masonry

Masonry's influence on Mormonism and Joseph Smith has been noted by a number of historians. Some of the areas impacted by Masonic lore and ritual include the Book of Mormon, Joseph's personal life, and the LDS temple ceremony.

Masonic Themes Related to the Book of Mormon. John L. Brooke in his book The Refiner's Fire: The Making of Mormon Cosmology, 1644-1844, noted the following in reference to the story of the discovery of the gold plates and the narrative structure of the Book of Mormon:

Freemasonry provides a point of entry into this very complex story. As it had been in Vermont, Masonic fraternity was a dominant feature of the cultural landscape in Joseph Smith's Ontario County .... The dense network of lodges and chapters helps explain the Masonic symbolism that runs through the story of the discovery of the Golden Plates. Most obviously, the story of their discovery in a stone vault on a hilltop echoed the Enoch myth of Royal Arch Freemasonry, in which the prophet Enoch, instructed by a vision, preserved the Masonic mysteries by carving them on a golden plate that he placed in an arched stone vault marked with pillars, to be rediscovered by Solomon. In the years to come the prophet Enoch would play a central role in Smith's emerging cosmology. Smith's stories of his discoveries got more elaborate with time, and in June 1829 he promised Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and Martin Harris that they would see not only the plates but other marvelous artifacts: the Urim and Thummim attached to a priestly breastplate, the 'sword of Laban,' and 'miraculous directors.' Oliver Cowdery and Lucy Mack Smith later described three or four small pillars holding up the plates. All of these artifacts had Masonic analogues.

... Smith's sources for these Masonic symbols were close at hand. Most obviously, Oliver Cowdery would have been a source, given that his father and brother were Royal Arch initiates; one Palmyra resident remembered Oliver Cowdery as 'no church member and a Mason.' ... A comment by Lucy Mack Smith in her manuscript written in the 1840s, protesting that the family did not abandon all household labor to try 'to win the faculty of Abrac, drawing magic circles, or sooth-saying,' suggests a familiarity with Masonic manuals: the 'faculty of Abrac' was among the supposed Masonic mysteries (Refiner's Fire, Cambridge University Press, 1994, pp. 157-158).

However, it wasn't until later in life that Joseph's involvement became more personal.

Joseph's Personal Involvement in Freemasonry. Mormon Apostle John A. Widtsoe stated:

Many of the Saints were Masons, such as Joseph's brother Hyrum, Heber C. Kimball, Elijah Fordham, Newel K. Whitney, James Adams, and John C. Bennett .... With the acquiescence of the Prophet, members of the Church already Masons petitioned the Grand Master of Illinois for permission to set up a lodge in Nauvoo .... it was March 15, 1842, before authority was given to set up a lodge in Nauvoo and to induct new members. Joseph Smith became a member (Evidences and Reconciliations, 1 volume, pp. 357-358).

Joseph Smith admitted to being a Mason in his History of the Church, volume 4, page 551. Under the date of March 15, 1842 it reads: "In the evening I received the first degree in Free Masonry in the Nauvoo Lodge, assembled in my general business office." The record for the next day reads, "I was with the Masonic Lodge and rose to the sublime degree" (page 552).

How did Joseph's Masonic membership affect the development of the Mormon Church? The most significant area appears to be in the development of the Mormon temple ceremonies. As noted above, Joseph became a Mason on March 15, 1842 and "rose to the sublime degree" the following day. Less than two months later, on May 4, 1842, Joseph introduced the temple endowment ceremony (History of the Church, Vol. 5, pp. 1-2).

Masonry and Mormon Temple Ceremonies. The pervasive influence of Freemasonry in Mormon Temples is expressed well by LDS historian Dr. Reed Durham. Dr. Durham, who has served as president of the Mormon History Association, provides a number of interesting parallels between the two. He gives these as evidence for Masonry's clear influence on Mormonism.

I am convinced that in the study of Masonry lies a pivotal key to further understanding Joseph Smith and the Church. . . . Masonry in the Church had its origin prior to the time Joseph Smith became a Mason .... It commenced in Joseph's home when his older brother became a Mason. Hyrum received the first three degrees of Masonry in Mount Moriah Lodge No. 112 of Palmyra, New York, at about the same time that Joseph was being initiated into the presence of God . . The many parallels found between early Mormonism and the Masonry of that day are substantial...

I have attempted thus far to demonstrate that Masonic influences upon Joseph in the early Church history, preceding his formal membership in Masonry, were significant. However, these same Masonic influences exerted a more dominant character as reflected in the further expansion of the Church subsequent to the Prophet's Masonic membership. In fact, I believe that there are few significant developments in the Church, that occurred after March 15 1842, which did not have some Masonic interdependence. Let me comment on a few of these developments. There is absolutely no question in my mind that the Mormon ceremony which came to be known as the Endowment, introduced by Joseph Smith to Mormon Masons, had an immediate inspiration from Masonry. This is not to suggest that no other source of inspiration could have been involved, but the similarities between the two ceremonies are so apparent and overwhelming that some dependent relationship cannot be denied. They are so similar, in fact, that one writer was led to refer to the Endowment as Celestial Masonry.

It is also obvious that the Nauvoo Temple architecture was in part, at least, Masonically influenced. Indeed, it appears that there was an intentional attempt to utilize Masonic symbols and motifs ...

Another development in the Nauvoo Church, which has not been so obviously considered as Masonically inspired, was the establishment of the Female Relief Society. This organization was the Prophet's intentional attempt to expand Masonry to include the women of the Church. That the Relief Society was organized in the Masonic Lodge room, and only one day after Masonry was given to the men, was not happenstance .... included in the actual vocabulary of Joseph Smith's counsel and instructions to the sisters were such words as: ancient orders, examinations, degrees, candidates, secrets, lodges, rules, signs, tokens, order of the priesthood, and keys; all indicating that the Society's orientation possessed Masonic overtones.

.... I suggest that enough evidence presently exists to declare that the entire institution of the political kingdom of God, including the Council of Fifty, the living constitution, the proposed flag of the kingdom, and the anointing and coronation of the king, had its genesis in connection with Masonic thoughts and ceremonies .... it appears that the Prophet first embraced Masonry, and, then in the process, he modified, expanded, amplified, or glorified it .... The Prophet believed that his mission was to restore all truth, and then to unify and weld it all together into one. This truth was referred to as 'the Mysteries,' and these Mysteries were inseparably connected with the Priesthood .... Can anyone deny that Masonic influence on Joseph Smith and the Church, either before or after his personal Masonic membership? The evidence demands comments ...

There are many questions which still demand the answers .... if we, as Mormon historians, respond to these questions and myriads like them relative to Masonry in an ostrich-like fashion, with our heads buried in the traditional sand, then I submit: there never will be 'any help for the widow's son' (Mormon Miscellaneous, October 1975, pp. 11-16, as cited in Changing World of Mormonism, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, 1981, pp. 546-547).

These statements demonstrate that much of the religious ritual within Mormonism finds its origin in both occultism and Freemasonry. It is not surprising that there is an overlap between occultism and Freemasonry within Mormonism since Masonry itself draws from occult lore and ritual. What becomes obvious is that Joseph neglected the Bible's clear prohibition regarding occult involvement. This is found in Deuteronomy 18:9-12 which states in part,

... thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shalt not be found among you any one that ... useth divination, or is an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits [demons], or a wizard, or a necromancer [one who communicates with the dead]. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD.

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Joseph Smith admitted to being a Mason in his History of the Church, volume 4, page 551. Under the date of March 15, 1842 it reads: "In the evening I received the first degree in Free Masonry in the Nauvoo Lodge, assembled in my general business office." The record for the next day reads, "I was with the Masonic Lodge and rose to the sublime degree" (page 552).
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That's 10 years after he started the Mormon Church people: Now why would he go and do a thing like that, when he claims that God told him "NOT to join any other sect!"? "For they draw near to me with their lips, but in their hearts they are far from me."

Why would a real prophet of God, go and join the Masonic Order???? LOL
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Well, makes lot of sense...just look top most dangerous cities in USA...
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lmao
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They point at the Other what is true about themselves.
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white people whole entire existence are based on a lie. sometimes you just have to laugh at the white man's silliness. white people are only good at doing 3 thing: destroying, lying and stealing...true characteristics of satan.
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I'm white but i can't rule out the Black Jesus/israelite theory and would not be surprised if that's the truth. Then again, i'm not filled with ego and false pride just because of my skin.

But really, nobody knows for sure do they.
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So Harry Reid says.

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