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I keep telling people, can't trust those birds. Billions of them, and everybody assumes they're harmless. damned

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Bird can “read” human gaze

A bird whose eyes look rather like hu­man eyes does an ex­cel­lent job of read­ing our gaze and com­mu­nica­tive ges­tures in­volv­ing eyes, a study has found.

Jack­daws, which are re­lat­ed to crows and ravens, “seem to rec­og­nize the eye’s role in vis­u­al per­cep­tion, or at the very least they are ex­tremely sen­si­tive to the way that hu­man eyes are ori­ent­ed,” said Au­guste von Bay­ern of the Uni­ver­s­ity of Ox­ford and one of the re­search­ers.

When pre­sented with a pre­ferred food, hand-raised jack­daws took sig­nif­i­cantly long­er to re­trieve the re­ward when a per­son was di­rect­ing his eyes to­wards the food than when he was look­ing away, ac­cord­ing to the re­search team led by Na­than Em­ery of the Uni­ver­s­ity of Cam­bridge and Queen Mary Uni­ver­s­ity of Lon­don. The birds hes­i­tat­ed only when the per­son in ques­tion was un­fa­mil­iar and thus po­ten­tially threat­en­ing.

The birds were al­so found to be able to in­ter­pret hu­man com­mu­nica­tive ges­tures, such as gaze al­terna­t­ion and point­ing, to help them find hid­den food, they found. The birds did­n’t make use of stat­ic cues, in­clud­ing eye gaze or head ori­enta­t­ion, in that con­text.

Un­like most birds, jack­daws’ eyes have a dark pu­pil sur­rounded by a silvery white ar­ea, the iris. The re­search­ers said they be­lieve jack­daws are probably sen­si­tive to hu­man eyes be­cause, as in hu­mans, eyes are an im­por­tant means of com­mu­nica­t­ion for them. The hand-raised birds ex­am­ined in the study may be bet­ter than wild jack­daws at at­tend­ing to hu­man gaze and re­spond­ing to the ges­tures of the peo­ple who have raised them.

The find­ings are par­tic­u­larly nota­ble giv­en that most oth­er spe­cies in­ves­t­i­gated so far, in­clud­ing our clos­est rel­a­tives the chim­pan­zee and “man’s best friend,” the dog, are not par­tic­u­larly sen­si­tive to eye ori­enta­t­ion and eye gaze, von Bay­ern said. Rath­er, she con­tin­ued, chimps and dogs seem to rely on oth­er cues such as head or body ori­enta­t­ion in de­ter­min­ing the look­ing di­rec­tion of oth­ers and do not ap­pear to ap­pre­ci­ate the eyes as the vis­u­al or­gans.

“We may have un­der­es­ti­mated the psy­cho­log­i­cal realms of birds,” von Bay­ern said. “Jack­daws, amongst many oth­er birds, form pair bonds for life and need to closely co­or­di­nate and col­la­bo­rate with their part­ner, which re­quires an ef­fi­cient way of com­mu­ni­cat­ing and sen­si­ti­vity to their part­ner’s per­spec­tive.” The study is re­ported on­line April 2 in the re­search jour­nal Cur­rent Bi­ol­o­gy.
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The Language of the Birds--not a misnomer.
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The scary part is that I think they know I typed it. There are millions of them heading up north as I type this!!! ahhh

(Or maybe they're just doing their spring migration...but the other sounds more menacing!)
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Which monster???
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The scary part is that I think they know I typed it. There are millions of them heading up north as I type this!!! ahhh

(Or maybe they're just doing their spring migration...but the other sounds more menacing!)
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Hmmm, and I just heard that they just change their way to come and catch YOUUUUUU!!

Run for your life while you cannnnnnnn!!!!!!!

ahhh
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Which monster???
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there is a monster under my bed.
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Which monster???
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Thread: Why monsters always hide under beds?
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Hmmm, and I just heard that they just change their way to come and catch YOUUUUUU!!

Run for your life while you cannnnnnnn!!!!!!!

ahhh
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ROFLMAO
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I keep telling people, can't trust those birds. Billions of them, and everybody assumes they're harmless. damned

[link to www.world-science.net]

Bird can “read” human gaze

A bird whose eyes look rather like hu­man eyes does an ex­cel­lent job of read­ing our gaze and com­mu­nica­tive ges­tures in­volv­ing eyes, a study has found.

Jack­daws, which are re­lat­ed to crows and ravens, “seem to rec­og­nize the eye’s role in vis­u­al per­cep­tion, or at the very least they are ex­tremely sen­si­tive to the way that hu­man eyes are ori­ent­ed,” said Au­guste von Bay­ern of the Uni­ver­s­ity of Ox­ford and one of the re­search­ers.

When pre­sented with a pre­ferred food, hand-raised jack­daws took sig­nif­i­cantly long­er to re­trieve the re­ward when a per­son was di­rect­ing his eyes to­wards the food than when he was look­ing away, ac­cord­ing to the re­search team led by Na­than Em­ery of the Uni­ver­s­ity of Cam­bridge and Queen Mary Uni­ver­s­ity of Lon­don. The birds hes­i­tat­ed only when the per­son in ques­tion was un­fa­mil­iar and thus po­ten­tially threat­en­ing.

The birds were al­so found to be able to in­ter­pret hu­man com­mu­nica­tive ges­tures, such as gaze al­terna­t­ion and point­ing, to help them find hid­den food, they found. The birds did­n’t make use of stat­ic cues, in­clud­ing eye gaze or head ori­enta­t­ion, in that con­text.

Un­like most birds, jack­daws’ eyes have a dark pu­pil sur­rounded by a silvery white ar­ea, the iris. The re­search­ers said they be­lieve jack­daws are probably sen­si­tive to hu­man eyes be­cause, as in hu­mans, eyes are an im­por­tant means of com­mu­nica­t­ion for them. The hand-raised birds ex­am­ined in the study may be bet­ter than wild jack­daws at at­tend­ing to hu­man gaze and re­spond­ing to the ges­tures of the peo­ple who have raised them.

The find­ings are par­tic­u­larly nota­ble giv­en that most oth­er spe­cies in­ves­t­i­gated so far, in­clud­ing our clos­est rel­a­tives the chim­pan­zee and “man’s best friend,” the dog, are not par­tic­u­larly sen­si­tive to eye ori­enta­t­ion and eye gaze, von Bay­ern said. Rath­er, she con­tin­ued, chimps and dogs seem to rely on oth­er cues such as head or body ori­enta­t­ion in de­ter­min­ing the look­ing di­rec­tion of oth­ers and do not ap­pear to ap­pre­ci­ate the eyes as the vis­u­al or­gans.

“We may have un­der­es­ti­mated the psy­cho­log­i­cal realms of birds,” von Bay­ern said. “Jack­daws, amongst many oth­er birds, form pair bonds for life and need to closely co­or­di­nate and col­la­bo­rate with their part­ner, which re­quires an ef­fi­cient way of com­mu­ni­cat­ing and sen­si­ti­vity to their part­ner’s per­spec­tive.” The study is re­ported on­line April 2 in the re­search jour­nal Cur­rent Bi­ol­o­gy.
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Have you ever been attacked by mag pie mother??? I once nearly died in one such aerial attack..I was riding my bike in a slope, and that crazy magpie thought I was after her eggs, and she kept diving on me, even pecked my helmet with her beak..I nearly crashed into a tree!!!
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Have you ever been attacked by mag pie mother??? I once nearly died in one such aerial attack..I was riding my bike in a slope, and that crazy magpie thought I was after her eggs, and she kept diving on me, even pecked my helmet with her beak..I nearly crashed into a tree!!!
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Not a magpie, but in the spring birds do tend to get pretty aggressive, and I have a couple smaller pine trees near the house, so when I walk out the door one will buzz me as a warning.

Then there are a couple owls that glide up from the lake and cut the corner around my house, so every once in a while I'll be out having a cigarette, and I'll get a bird with a meter wingspan that nearly crashes into me.

Not scared of them, but they do have their moments. chuckle
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I've noticed that birds 'get' us since I was a kid. Grew up on a farm/ranch. We had a bald eagle family living in trees behind the house. The mating pair had babies. when they were old enough to take their first flights, I put on a cape and was mimicing them, jumping, trying to lift off. hehe One of the adults flew low to me once, and I think it was trying to teach me. Or, laugh at me. It got very upset once when I tried to fly by jumping off the tool shed. hehe So did my grandmother.

A couple of weeks ago, a black bird in a tree near my balcony spotted me. I felt a little silly, but I asked him to stay put while I got my camera. When I went back out, he was still sitting there. When I lifted my camera, he posed. He turned one way and gazed at the camera. When I clicked, he turned the other way, and gazed. Got three photos all together, and he was still sitting there.
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I've noticed that birds 'get' us since I was a kid. Grew up on a farm/ranch. We had a bald eagle family living in trees behind the house. The mating pair had babies. when they were old enough to take their first flights, I put on a cape and was mimicing them, jumping, trying to lift off. hehe One of the adults flew low to me once, and I think it was trying to teach me. Or, laugh at me. It got very upset once when I tried to fly by jumping off the tool shed. hehe So did my grandmother.

A couple of weeks ago, a black bird in a tree near my balcony spotted me. I felt a little silly, but I asked him to stay put while I got my camera. When I went back out, he was still sitting there. When I lifted my camera, he posed. He turned one way and gazed at the camera. When I clicked, he turned the other way, and gazed. Got three photos all together, and he was still sitting there.
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Yep, it's always a little difficult to tell if your letting your imagination run wild. I think we're a bit too eager to assume we understand everything, and as time passes, we're going to find out a lot of creatures are more intelligent than we'd like to believe.
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I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with.

Several years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other.
She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him.
She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant.
She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched.
It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind.
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Which monster???

there is a monster under my bed.
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Lucky you!! I have a ghoul in my wardrobe!!
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Which monster???

there is a monster under my bed.


Lucky you!! I have a ghoul in my wardrobe!!
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muaha
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I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with.

Several years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other.
She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him.
She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant.
She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched.
It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored

Nice. A while back I worked at a restaurant, and I found myself in the habit of putting birds back up into their nests. They built them on a ledge, and the babies would flutter down and get stuck, not strong enough, or lacking the plumage to flap the 16 or so feet back up to the ledge.

My boss thought I was nuts, but despite my moderately rough side, I can't help doing little things like that. Usually once they were back up there, they learned their lesson, but some took a time or two to figure it out. One even broke it's leg, but it recovered and I'd see it limping around once in a while.

Hopefully that wins me some points when they decide to attack! lmao
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Nice. A while back I worked at a restaurant, and I found myself in the habit of putting birds back up into their nests. They built them on a ledge, and the babies would flutter down and get stuck, not strong enough, or lacking the plumage to flap the 16 or so feet back up to the ledge.

My boss thought I was nuts, but despite my moderately rough side, I can't help doing little things like that. Usually once they were back up there, they learned their lesson, but some took a time or two to figure it out. One even broke it's leg, but it recovered and I'd see it limping around once in a while.

Hopefully that wins me some points when they decide to attack! lmao
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LOL I think that qualifies you as a protected person.
Secretly, your boss now knows you are a softy. hehe
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I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with.

Several years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other.
She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him.
She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant.
She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched.
It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind.

Nice. A while back I worked at a restaurant, and I found myself in the habit of putting birds back up into their nests. They built them on a ledge, and the babies would flutter down and get stuck, not strong enough, or lacking the plumage to flap the 16 or so feet back up to the ledge.

My boss thought I was nuts, but despite my moderately rough side, I can't help doing little things like that. Usually once they were back up there, they learned their lesson, but some took a time or two to figure it out. One even broke it's leg, but it recovered and I'd see it limping around once in a while.

Hopefully that wins me some points when they decide to attack! lmao
 Quoting: falldown


If the birds decide to revolt - my ass will be toast!.. My last pet parrot was suicidal and hated me..(the ungrateful little bastard) He probably shouted his dislike for me to all the neighborhood birds! (this is worst then the Arab telephone)
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"MANE – THECEL – PHARES."
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If the birds decide to revolt - my ass will be toast!.. My last pet parrot was suicidal and hated me..(the ungrateful little bastard) He probably shouted his dislike for me to all the neighborhood birds! (this is worst then the Arab telephone)
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So you didn't give Polly that cracker, I assume? laugh
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If the birds decide to revolt - my ass will be toast!.. My last pet parrot was suicidal and hated me..(the ungrateful little bastard) He probably shouted his dislike for me to all the neighborhood birds! (this is worst then the Arab telephone)

So you didn't give Polly that cracker, I assume? laugh
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I did - he just didn't appreciate any act of human kindness...a real little feathered shithead!!
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Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories.

Animal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them.
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Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories.

Animal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them.
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Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories.

Animal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them.
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Anyone has hedgehog stories?
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The Language of the Birds--not a misnomer.
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Excellent book and great story op.


Birds are wonderful, when I refill the hummer feeder
the little guys will come right up to my face and wait
for me to finish. To look right into their tiny black eyes
and see the appreciation and joy of living is a gift
from god.
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I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with.

Several years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other.
She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him.
She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant.
She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched.
It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind.
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Wow!!! :-) :hf: That is one of the coolest stories I've heard in a while...
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Wow!!! :-) :hf: That is one of the coolest stories I've heard in a while...
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It's was one of those rare sweet occurances. Proof that we are all connected if we allow it.
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Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories.

Animal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them.


Anyone has hedgehog stories?
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No, no hedgehog stories. But I live in the mountains and have had close encounters (and all peaceful ones) with many other wild creatures such as bear, mountain lion, fox, beaver, skunk, crow, golden eagle, other birds, rabbit, deer, raccoons, mice, rattlesnake and others.

And I mean close like a matter of a couple of feet in many cases, even with bear & mountain lion. They have all been magical moments with no aggression shown by the animal - just curiosity.

They sense intentions and they sense fear in humans but when your intentions are not hostile and there is no fear they become mildly curious.

And, yes, there are lessons to be learned from our animal brothers. In many ways they are more advanced than humans and we can learn from them.





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