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falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting but scary as my monster under the bed... Quoting: ~GAIA~The scary part is that I think they know I typed it. There are millions of them heading up north as I type this!!! (Or maybe they're just doing their spring migration...but the other sounds more menacing!) ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
JADR User ID: 389916 Australia 04/04/2009 02:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting but scary as my monster under the bed... Quoting: ~GAIA~Which monster??? Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 649774 Israel 04/04/2009 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting but scary as my monster under the bed... Quoting: falldownThe scary part is that I think they know I typed it. There are millions of them heading up north as I type this!!! (Or maybe they're just doing their spring migration...but the other sounds more menacing!) Hmmm, and I just heard that they just change their way to come and catch YOUUUUUU!! Run for your life while you cannnnnnnn!!!!!!! |
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falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting but scary as my monster under the bed... Quoting: JADRWhich monster??? Thread: Why monsters always hide under beds? ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
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JADR User ID: 389916 Australia 04/04/2009 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep telling people, can't trust those birds. Billions of them, and everybody assumes they're harmless. Quoting: falldown[link to www.world-science.net] Bird can “read” human gaze A bird whose eyes look rather like human eyes does an excellent job of reading our gaze and communicative gestures involving eyes, a study has found. Jackdaws, which are related to crows and ravens, “seem to recognize the eye’s role in visual perception, or at the very least they are extremely sensitive to the way that human eyes are oriented,” said Auguste von Bayern of the University of Oxford and one of the researchers. When presented with a preferred food, hand-raised jackdaws took significantly longer to retrieve the reward when a person was directing his eyes towards the food than when he was looking away, according to the research team led by Nathan Emery of the University of Cambridge and Queen Mary University of London. The birds hesitated only when the person in question was unfamiliar and thus potentially threatening. The birds were also found to be able to interpret human communicative gestures, such as gaze alternation and pointing, to help them find hidden food, they found. The birds didn’t make use of static cues, including eye gaze or head orientation, in that context. Unlike most birds, jackdaws’ eyes have a dark pupil surrounded by a silvery white area, the iris. The researchers said they believe jackdaws are probably sensitive to human eyes because, as in humans, eyes are an important means of communication for them. The hand-raised birds examined in the study may be better than wild jackdaws at attending to human gaze and responding to the gestures of the people who have raised them. The findings are particularly notable given that most other species investigated so far, including our closest relatives the chimpanzee and “man’s best friend,” the dog, are not particularly sensitive to eye orientation and eye gaze, von Bayern said. Rather, she continued, chimps and dogs seem to rely on other cues such as head or body orientation in determining the looking direction of others and do not appear to appreciate the eyes as the visual organs. “We may have underestimated the psychological realms of birds,” von Bayern said. “Jackdaws, amongst many other birds, form pair bonds for life and need to closely coordinate and collaborate with their partner, which requires an efficient way of communicating and sensitivity to their partner’s perspective.” The study is reported online April 2 in the research journal Current Biology. Have you ever been attacked by mag pie mother??? I once nearly died in one such aerial attack..I was riding my bike in a slope, and that crazy magpie thought I was after her eggs, and she kept diving on me, even pecked my helmet with her beak..I nearly crashed into a tree!!! Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 02:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever been attacked by mag pie mother??? I once nearly died in one such aerial attack..I was riding my bike in a slope, and that crazy magpie thought I was after her eggs, and she kept diving on me, even pecked my helmet with her beak..I nearly crashed into a tree!!! Quoting: JADRNot a magpie, but in the spring birds do tend to get pretty aggressive, and I have a couple smaller pine trees near the house, so when I walk out the door one will buzz me as a warning. Then there are a couple owls that glide up from the lake and cut the corner around my house, so every once in a while I'll be out having a cigarette, and I'll get a bird with a meter wingspan that nearly crashes into me. Not scared of them, but they do have their moments. ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
Texas Uncensored User ID: 649778 United States 04/04/2009 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've noticed that birds 'get' us since I was a kid. Grew up on a farm/ranch. We had a bald eagle family living in trees behind the house. The mating pair had babies. when they were old enough to take their first flights, I put on a cape and was mimicing them, jumping, trying to lift off. hehe One of the adults flew low to me once, and I think it was trying to teach me. Or, laugh at me. It got very upset once when I tried to fly by jumping off the tool shed. hehe So did my grandmother. A couple of weeks ago, a black bird in a tree near my balcony spotted me. I felt a little silly, but I asked him to stay put while I got my camera. When I went back out, he was still sitting there. When I lifted my camera, he posed. He turned one way and gazed at the camera. When I clicked, he turned the other way, and gazed. Got three photos all together, and he was still sitting there. **** PEACE **** UFO's @ [link to www.youtube.com] UFO photos & phenomena @ [link to www.picasaweb.google.com] MY GLP VIDEO CHANNEL * [link to video.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.futurequake.bravehost.com] |
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falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've noticed that birds 'get' us since I was a kid. Grew up on a farm/ranch. We had a bald eagle family living in trees behind the house. The mating pair had babies. when they were old enough to take their first flights, I put on a cape and was mimicing them, jumping, trying to lift off. hehe One of the adults flew low to me once, and I think it was trying to teach me. Or, laugh at me. It got very upset once when I tried to fly by jumping off the tool shed. hehe So did my grandmother. Quoting: Texas UncensoredA couple of weeks ago, a black bird in a tree near my balcony spotted me. I felt a little silly, but I asked him to stay put while I got my camera. When I went back out, he was still sitting there. When I lifted my camera, he posed. He turned one way and gazed at the camera. When I clicked, he turned the other way, and gazed. Got three photos all together, and he was still sitting there. Yep, it's always a little difficult to tell if your letting your imagination run wild. I think we're a bit too eager to assume we understand everything, and as time passes, we're going to find out a lot of creatures are more intelligent than we'd like to believe. ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
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Texas Uncensored User ID: 649778 United States 04/04/2009 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with. Several years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other. She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him. She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant. She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched. It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind. **** PEACE **** UFO's @ [link to www.youtube.com] UFO photos & phenomena @ [link to www.picasaweb.google.com] MY GLP VIDEO CHANNEL * [link to video.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.futurequake.bravehost.com] |
JADR User ID: 389916 Australia 04/04/2009 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | interesting but scary as my monster under the bed... Quoting: ~GAIA~Which monster??? there is a monster under my bed. Lucky you!! I have a ghoul in my wardrobe!! Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
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falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with. Quoting: Texas UncensoredSeveral years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other. She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him. She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant. She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched. It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind. Nice. A while back I worked at a restaurant, and I found myself in the habit of putting birds back up into their nests. They built them on a ledge, and the babies would flutter down and get stuck, not strong enough, or lacking the plumage to flap the 16 or so feet back up to the ledge. My boss thought I was nuts, but despite my moderately rough side, I can't help doing little things like that. Usually once they were back up there, they learned their lesson, but some took a time or two to figure it out. One even broke it's leg, but it recovered and I'd see it limping around once in a while. Hopefully that wins me some points when they decide to attack! ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
Texas Uncensored User ID: 649778 United States 04/04/2009 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice. A while back I worked at a restaurant, and I found myself in the habit of putting birds back up into their nests. They built them on a ledge, and the babies would flutter down and get stuck, not strong enough, or lacking the plumage to flap the 16 or so feet back up to the ledge. Quoting: falldownMy boss thought I was nuts, but despite my moderately rough side, I can't help doing little things like that. Usually once they were back up there, they learned their lesson, but some took a time or two to figure it out. One even broke it's leg, but it recovered and I'd see it limping around once in a while. Hopefully that wins me some points when they decide to attack! LOL I think that qualifies you as a protected person. Secretly, your boss now knows you are a softy. hehe **** PEACE **** UFO's @ [link to www.youtube.com] UFO photos & phenomena @ [link to www.picasaweb.google.com] MY GLP VIDEO CHANNEL * [link to video.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.futurequake.bravehost.com] |
JADR User ID: 389916 Australia 04/04/2009 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with. Quoting: falldownSeveral years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other. She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him. She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant. She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched. It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind. Nice. A while back I worked at a restaurant, and I found myself in the habit of putting birds back up into their nests. They built them on a ledge, and the babies would flutter down and get stuck, not strong enough, or lacking the plumage to flap the 16 or so feet back up to the ledge. My boss thought I was nuts, but despite my moderately rough side, I can't help doing little things like that. Usually once they were back up there, they learned their lesson, but some took a time or two to figure it out. One even broke it's leg, but it recovered and I'd see it limping around once in a while. Hopefully that wins me some points when they decide to attack! If the birds decide to revolt - my ass will be toast!.. My last pet parrot was suicidal and hated me..(the ungrateful little bastard) He probably shouted his dislike for me to all the neighborhood birds! (this is worst then the Arab telephone) Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the birds decide to revolt - my ass will be toast!.. My last pet parrot was suicidal and hated me..(the ungrateful little bastard) He probably shouted his dislike for me to all the neighborhood birds! (this is worst then the Arab telephone) Quoting: JADRSo you didn't give Polly that cracker, I assume? ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
JADR User ID: 389916 Australia 04/04/2009 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the birds decide to revolt - my ass will be toast!.. My last pet parrot was suicidal and hated me..(the ungrateful little bastard) He probably shouted his dislike for me to all the neighborhood birds! (this is worst then the Arab telephone) Quoting: falldownSo you didn't give Polly that cracker, I assume? I did - he just didn't appreciate any act of human kindness...a real little feathered shithead!! Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
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falldown (OP) User ID: 520470 United States 04/04/2009 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436309Animal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them. ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
JADR User ID: 389916 Australia 04/04/2009 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436309Animal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them. Anyone has hedgehog stories? Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. "MANE – THECEL – PHARES." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 534125 United States 04/04/2009 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Language of the Birds--not a misnomer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 582348Excellent book and great story op. Birds are wonderful, when I refill the hummer feeder the little guys will come right up to my face and wait for me to finish. To look right into their tiny black eyes and see the appreciation and joy of living is a gift from god. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647524 United States 04/04/2009 03:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I forgot to tell you the one I posted about to begin with. Quoting: Texas UncensoredSeveral years ago, in high wind, a blue jay had her little one out for it's first flight. Lots of trees around, so it was fairly safe, even in the wind. the little guy just couldn't buck the wind. He ended up on my deck in a big potted plant. The mother, chick, and me were all looking at each other. She flew off, and came back. I was trying to keep the baby from flying off, and getting hurt. She flew right up to him, me a foot away, and showed me how to feed him. She didn't have anything in her mouth. It was instructional. I went in, got a little piece of bread, went back out, and showed her that I knew what she meant. She flew into a nearby tree, and waited, watched. It was so cool ! When the wind subsided, he lifted towards the nearest tree branch, with his mother right behind. Wow!!! :-) :hf: That is one of the coolest stories I've heard in a while... |
Texas Uncensored User ID: 649778 United States 04/04/2009 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow!!! :-) :hf: That is one of the coolest stories I've heard in a while... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647524It's was one of those rare sweet occurances. Proof that we are all connected if we allow it. **** PEACE **** UFO's @ [link to www.youtube.com] UFO photos & phenomena @ [link to www.picasaweb.google.com] MY GLP VIDEO CHANNEL * [link to video.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.futurequake.bravehost.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 631579 United States 04/04/2009 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks, OP, for posting this and everyone for sharing their bird encounter stories. Quoting: JADRAnimal encounters - there are many lessons to be learned from them. Anyone has hedgehog stories? No, no hedgehog stories. But I live in the mountains and have had close encounters (and all peaceful ones) with many other wild creatures such as bear, mountain lion, fox, beaver, skunk, crow, golden eagle, other birds, rabbit, deer, raccoons, mice, rattlesnake and others. And I mean close like a matter of a couple of feet in many cases, even with bear & mountain lion. They have all been magical moments with no aggression shown by the animal - just curiosity. They sense intentions and they sense fear in humans but when your intentions are not hostile and there is no fear they become mildly curious. And, yes, there are lessons to be learned from our animal brothers. In many ways they are more advanced than humans and we can learn from them. |