Those who say LOVE can conquer all...

I believe in love, but I don't exactly understand the mechanics behind it. All I know is that because "God first loved us", His will and plans are unstoppable.

Thank you for your reply. So no matter the effort of conversion or not, you believe His will overrides...

(That was me, btw. Been kinda indiffer'nt about loggin' in of late)

Tripe!

D'oh! What would you recommend, then?

:)

... there Passerby... and and and, thanks for them kudos of yours on some of those other threads... and also, lol, yes, I do tend to be a bit inclined to that gooder ol' philosophical side of stuff... but, and too... methinks/feels most any and/or all of my leanings may be more akin like to just plain ol' gooder common sense... and really.

And whilst methinks/feels there may indeed be more than one available perspective to any ol' thang out there. Me also thinks/feels that any and all perspectives may also be entertained, and/or perhaps-ed upon, and at an given time... with/in what I guess you might could say would be a state of harmonious balance. Or, lol, and in other words... 'what is, simply is'.

Having said that then, lol, methinks/feels love has no such must have needs for to overcome anything, for love is sufficient unto love. And, the only so called kinda 'evil' there is, is just simply that of ignorance/lack of understanding is all.

w/luv,
just me

... and yes too, lol, I really do tend to laugh, smile, chuckle, grin... and all that gooder stuff... A LOT.

i dont quite get the 'question'...

my answer however....is yes to all of those statements...

evil...in exists in a sense...i mean you have things like darkness things you could label as worry or choas or depression and you can say they are dark...and then you could talk of someone committing an evil act...but people who do evil things do so because its their only way of expressing themselves...

they are out of touch with love...so it is the lack of love that creates such motives...

Hiya, Maud - I need to go back and read your response to my question on the 'hell is christians' thread... I'll do that now...

... oops, lol, I timed out.... that's me up there.



Then said Almitra, "Speak to us of Love."

And he raised his head and looked upon the people, and there fell a stillness upon them. And with a great voice he said:

When love beckons to you follow him,

Though his ways are hard and steep.

And when his wings enfold you yield to him,

Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.

And when he speaks to you believe in him,

Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.

Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,

So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.

He threshes you to make you naked.

He sifts you to free you from your husks.

He grinds you to whiteness.

He kneads you until you are pliant;

And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,

Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,

Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.

Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.

Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;

For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, I am in the heart of God."

And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself.

But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:

To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.

To know the pain of too much tenderness.

To be wounded by your own understanding of love;

And to bleed willingly and joyfully.

To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;

To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;

To return home at eventide with gratitude;

And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.
(thanks ever Msr Kahlil Gibran... 'The Prophet')

And one of the elders of the city said, "Speak to us of Good and Evil."

And he answered:

Of the good in you I can speak, but not of the evil.

For what is evil but good tortured by its own hunger and thirst?

Verily when good is hungry it seeks food even in dark caves, and when it thirsts, it drinks even of dead waters.

You are good when you are one with yourself.

Yet when you are not one with yourself you are not evil.

For a divided house is not a den of thieves; it is only a divided house.

And a ship without rudder may wander aimlessly among perilous isles yet sink not to the bottom.

You are good when you strive to give of yourself.

Yet you are not evil when you seek gain for yourself.

For when you strive for gain you are but a root that clings to the earth and sucks at her breast.

Surely the fruit cannot say to the root, "Be like me, ripe and full and ever giving of your abundance."

For to the fruit giving is a need, as receiving is a need to the root.

You are good when you are fully awake in your speech,

Yet you are not evil when you sleep while your tongue staggers without purpose.

And even stumbling speech may strengthen a weak tongue.

You are good when you walk to your goal firmly and with bold steps.

Yet you are not evil when you go thither limping.

Even those who limp go not backward.

But you who are strong and swift, see that you do not limp before the lame, deeming it kindness.

You are good in countless ways, and you are not evil when you are not good,

You are only loitering and sluggard.

Pity that the stags cannot teach swiftness to the turtles.

In your longing for your giant self lies your goodness: and that longing is in all of you.

But in some of you that longing is a torrent rushing with might to the sea, carrying the secrets of the hillsides and the songs of the forest.

And in others it is a flat stream that loses itself in angles and bends and lingers before it reaches the shore.

But let not him who longs much say to him who longs little, "Wherefore are you slow and halting?"

For the truly good ask not the naked, "Where is your garment?" nor the houseless, "What has befallen your house?"
(and, lol, thanks ever Msr Kahlil Gibran again... 'The Prophet')

So, you're a fighter and not a lover, eh?

can conquer all? will conquer all!

we will get so traumatized by the evil that we will chose loves (gods) way.

we are learning a very important lesson right now

I have to agree with Muab.

My hypothesis is this: The "goal" is for each and every soul to align themselves with love. To remember the beauty of it. No one can be converted because it has to be realized within themselves and not taught from external sources. There is only ONE source.

If every person sought that side of themselves....or awakened to it...things might be different. But that's all part of the plan too. Each in their own time and in their own way. It means nothing if it is not realized within the heart and lived each day.

yes love is powerful and can conquer . the catch is , at lest in our physical form we are more than just love. we have all these other emotions needs and desires inside us .
it's all the same energy just channeled through different
outlets. all things we are must be expressed freely to avoid the destruction of all the others. it's this conflict and denial which births much of the chaos here. until we accept all the things we are and try to stop being only one aspect there's going to be evil and turmoil. the paradigm is that through accepting the many things we are we then become one with ourselves and each other again. the categories disappearm all paths then merge into one.

You're welcome, gooderboy. Well, what happens in the case of "lack of" individuals... how do they overcome if not through the love of another individual showing them how to do so?

Yes, I can see you are quite a jolly person.

;)

only Christ love will conquer all

So, to you (hi, rachel) the conversion is inevitable?

yes, even for "atheists", it is the people who chose to worship satan who will be cut off. they understand the two and chose.

Love
Just do it!

Peace

Hate is like a cancer that destroys your heart. When we lover we are God's children.

All I know is if I didn't have amimans, I would be in way worse shape.

... well, lol, then it's really just a matter of time.... and ya know?
Or, maybe more of a 'when' like scenario?

For example... I'm also a Sun gazer, lol... and as of like back there in January of 1996. Up until then, though, I had always thought (and as in I totally bought into it) that looking directly into the Sun would do me eyes harm (and as in, bottom line, I would go blind). So for like a gooder portion of my life I was totally ignorant of the fact that the Sun really wouldn't do me eyes any harm (and in-facto, dear Sun has just the opposite effect... and, thanks ever, Msr Sun, too).

So, and in a sense... my love/appreciation of the Sun, and up until Jan.'96... was somewhat diminished by the harm I had it in my head that it could/would do... or, what might also could be called, its aspect of 'evil'.

However... then 'my idea' of our dear Sun was also thusly expanded upon... or, lol, my inner data banks were 'added to' and/or became enhanced via additional informational type up-loadings... and any harmful, evil, and/or 'bad' kinda takes of mine then became all the more en-clusive, and of the love that I already had for our dear Msr Sun.

... so then... methinks/feels when someone is open for any of them kinda love like enhancings... they will then just naturally begin seeing them everywheres. After all, lol, it really is just a matter of time... and hey, lol, I still don't really know how long it was supposed to take me for to learn that about our dear Sun either. I'm just really glad that I did.

oooooo, animals


never

oooooo, animals


never

Yes. It can.

Taking God/Jesus/Muhammed/Tom/Dick/Harry out of the equation, the problem is that the vast majority of us have no idea what love is....

(Gooderboy - thanks for reminding us of Gibran's beautiful words.)

Well, how do you reach those people who are walking around with "lack of love"?

So, is this a guarantee for everyone and does that mean you believe that by the time someone dies that he/she have realized this?

Last Edited by DoomRaider on 04/07/2009 09:27 PM

anthropocentric is about the best man can do

the trick is extening it out to the web of life

which we, as a species, are getting the big failing grade at