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1997: RUSSIAN DOCUMENTS RELEASED ON SOLAR SYSTEM CHANGES...TODAY WE'RE STILL BEING TOLD IT'S GLOBAL WARMING!!!

 
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The Ancients aren't as silly as we are taught to believe otherwise.

Funny cause, everything they say could come to pass.

Naturally, we are raised and educated to believe otherwise.


This is why most people don't believe or have little curious faith.


The truth is simple. This is real...now...life altering.

lol cause Obama evens says it. "Change is coming!" Doesn't have to be man made change. Could be this he refers to.

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"All of a sudden kids come along with a different set of brain cells and the establishment doesn't know what to do. The walls are crumbling and the establishment doesn't want to let go." - Jimi Hendrix


Jimi Hendrix: "I'm not going to say it until a wider range of people see it. It's a universal thought; it's not a black or white thing, or a green and gold thing...There are a few chosen people that are here to help to get these people out of this certain sleepiness that they're in...All they're doing is making themselves weaker and weaker until their negatives come and just take them away, and that's what's gonna happen, then you're going to have no world to live on. The establishment's going to crumble away...The solar system is going through a change soon and it's going to affect the Earth itself. This room is just a crumb from the crust of the pie, and like there's no moving from any one land to another to save yourself in that respect...There's a physical change coming soon, it's neither bad or good - it's just true. The world's gonna go like topsy-turvy soon, because humans forget that they're part of earth-matter too, and so they have bad vibrations floatin' around now, so there's gonna be a big physical change...since the people are part of Earth, they're going to feel it too. In many ways they're a lot of the reason for causing it...The axis of the Earth turns around and changes the face of the world and completely different civilizations come about, or another age comes about. In other words, it changes the face of the Earth and it only takes about a quarter of a day…The axis of the Earth, if it changes, it changes the whole face of the Earth, like every few thousand years, so that new civilizations come every time it changes...The solar system is going through a change soon and it's going to affect the Earth in about thirty years. So I think a person should try to get his own thing, he should get a certain faith with one link. There's no whole lot of religions, just one link, because there's only a few chosen people that supposedly are to get this across."


link for this please....
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1999 book called Rock Prophecy. Jimi's comments were spoken into a tape recorder on December 12, 1969 with drummer Buddy Miles.
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This seems to relate to previous reports of an incoming "galactic tsunami" and also some of Insider 535's later posts concerning changes in the sun that would create changes in climate, food supply, etc. and that these were related to his earlier reports of preparations being made for controlling people to ensure the survival of some.
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So, I printed this and read it last night. My first question was, Where is ALEXEY N. DMITRIEV now? Googled him and found nothing more than whats listed on this thread. Has anyone else found more or updated info from him? It has been a decade since the report and I'm sure a lot has changed.
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The global warming story is a ruse as all planets in this solar system are CHANGING-ALL OF THEM-




Time for the 'controllers' to get a clue-they are not in charge, they have never been in charge as much as they tried to paint it their way.


They will continue to try to control all of us-and THEY WILL FAIL

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Found a link. [link to www.tmgnow.com]

Excellent topic, OP. Thank you!!! hf
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The Millennium Group (TMG) was a group of writers and contributors who supported the Planet X theory. I used to follow them basically bacause most of their articles were very well written and quite intriguing. However, most of their readership fell off after the much-hyped date came and went.

You can access their repository of articles below:

[link to www.tmgnow.com]
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bump hffor Dmitriev ~ FABULOUS thread!!! Wasayo
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5
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Found a link. [link to www.tmgnow.com]

Excellent topic, OP. Thank you!!! hf


The Millennium Group (TMG) was a group of writers and contributors who supported the Planet X theory. I used to follow them basically bacause most of their articles were very well written and quite intriguing. However, most of their readership fell off after the much-hyped date came and went.

You can access their repository of articles below:

[link to www.tmgnow.com]
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Ouch...that hurts the credibility of this whole article....when you get grouped with the Nancy's...you get dumped in my book and a lot of others also.
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Getting grouped with the PX nuts is like a death blow for credibility.
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according to "earth-moon entity speaks"
the earth wishes to return to magnetic, spiral, instead of alien introduced electric, linear.
natalia stansova also received messages from the sun, who is not under the control of alien technology.
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Remember the PHOTON BELT?
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[link to www.rockprophecy.com]
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Thought provoking but the article doesn't make a lot of sense scientifically and its over ten years old.

What we know definitely.

1. We are passing through the local interstellar cloud.
2. It is inhomogenous.
3. The solar activity has decreased.
4. The ozone layer began to go down in the 1960s and has continued to decrease.
5. Gamma Ray Bursts were first detected in 1967 by the Vela Satellites after they had already been orbiting for four years.
6. The polar ice at the edges is melting.
7. Interstellar clouds contain organic molecules.
8. The earths magentic field has been undergoing reduction for some time.
9. Ice ages seem to occur periodically about every 100,000 years in correlation to the earth's orbital stretch.
10. UV levels in Australia are extreme and trending upwards.
11. The sea level trend is upward.
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so what im understanding from all this is, that our solar system is moving as a whole through space ?
and we are about to "fly" through something ?
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Yep. The sun's orbit around galactic center takes approx. 225 million years. We are just along for the ride.

The Milky Way's galactic center probably also orbits around something else taking everything in this galaxy along with it.

Makes one feel a bit small and helpless, doesn't it?
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Why is this so persistent argument that the climate change isn't related to human activity?

Why you people choose to simply ignore the whole evidence recolected by the scientific community along the world?

I just don't get it...
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If we all really want to change the world for the better, we all need to vibrate LOVE to all, even our enemies. God is LOVE.
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Pole shift, lawlsz...
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Anyone selling tickets for trips to Mars, the next inhabital planet? bump
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Pole shift, lawlsz...
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Nice new pic.

Did you say pole shift?????
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Why is this so persistent argument that the climate change isn't related to human activity?

Why you people choose to simply ignore the whole evidence recolected by the scientific community along the world?

I just don't get it...
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Correct. You just don't get it...

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I didn't read this thread, just the OP and a few posts. In the OP, it mentions hightened sun activity/solar storms/flares - whatever they are. Isn't the deal, right now, that that the sun is "quite", i.e., not much in terms of storms?
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Why is this so persistent argument that the climate change isn't related to human activity?

Why you people choose to simply ignore the whole evidence recolected by the scientific community along the world?

I just don't get it...
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Becuase climate is NORMAL and NOT related to human activity. The global warming scam was developed to DIVERT attention away from corporate polluters and planet rapers (who are still at it) and create a global tax based in CO2. They have now classified CO2 as a toxin! HELLO. Plants thrive in a rich CO2 environment.

If you want REAL science on this issue, go to

[link to www.icecap.us]
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this stuff was up on David Wilcox's Divine Cosmos website for the past three years (that I know of)... you guys should keep up...
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I have been checking to see if this is a hoax but cannot find anything to say that it is a hoax.
I did find about the article at Bad Astronomy which seems to verify that the information is somewhat correct.


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Hi all. At first glance, I would have to agree with Carolyn's assessment - at least as regards the material in question. I'll have a russian friend go through the original text (if I can find it), but being familiar with the 'translation effect' from my position in a bilingual city (english/french), I would not be surprised at the extent of variance in tone and detail from the russian verison which I expect is present. Certainly, the platform on which these particular words are being read is itself a factor, without question.

That said, if you boil the area of discussion down to it's basic points, they are valid, and of active interest in more conventional and legitimate areas of inquiry. Basic points I would extract:

-Earth, and the solar system, exist in the greater context of a cosmic environment
-Natural processes which occur on large scales of time and space (distance) do effect our environment
-Effects may manifest in a variety of ways, impacting a broad range of terrestrial and heliospheric (basically, anything in the solar system - in fact, defining what IS the solar system) processes
-These effects can be measured and researched
-Measuring and researching these effects, given their potential impact, is important if not vital

As many an educator will tell you, the sun is the primary source of energy for life on earth - directly or indirectly. Without that energy, there is no life. Indeed, one could take that to a more general and fundamental level, and say that it is radiation - in all it's forms - which has the greatest impact, with the sources of this radiation being not only our own star, the sun, but all such sources in the universe; past and present. It can truly be said that without the furnaces in which the heavier elements were formed, we would not exist. To look beyond our atmosphere for vital influences on life - either positive or negative - is quite reasonable, and indeed necessary. As unpleasant or unconventional as it may sound, we are of cosmic origins, and that is the ultimate environment in which we live.

So in this respect, I would have to say that the fundamental message of the material in question is correct - however ill-stated it may have been.

Here are some examples of more accepted agents of research and discussion, on specific aspects of the attributes of the cosmic environment and it's past and potential effects on the solar environment in general or the earth's biosphere in particular:

Species-impacting Cosmic Events and Environments ( [link to science.nasa.gov]

Potentially-hostile Galactic Evironment ( [link to www.americanscientist.org]

Weakened Magnetic Field ( [link to www.space.com]

Government program to predict future human life-affecting changes through cosmic processes ( [link to www.igpp.lanl.gov)]

Now, I have gone out of my way to label these links in as 'frightening' a way as possible...as many of these fringe-type platforms no doubt do, to serve their interests or agendas...but strictly speaking, all of the above is factually true. In the case of the latter link, the 'headline' is paraphrased directly from the program's mission statement. These concerns are legitimate, and there are many related research programs, some specifically targetting the area of discussion here.

As with many an area of scientific inquiry, especially where new or unproven theories are concerned, there is difference of opinion and a good deal of uncertainty that manifests in a range of interpretation. It is very difficult to prove a great number of things - we can positively identify the existence of a particular piece of evidence in and of itself, but cannot always prove that it is evidence of the specific action or process we are investigating. However, the collection of as much evidence as possible should still be pursued...

I myself find it quite surprising that these programs are ongoing, that there is a high level awareness ('a deep understanding of the fundamental changes taking place in the natural environment surrounding us that politicians, and citizens a like, will be able to achieve balance?') of the true nature of our context in the cosmic environment, and the various aspects of that. I suppose the best comparison might be the question of global warming and overall climate change - despite that this itself may be looked to as a piece of evidence in relation to a greater process - and the related inquiries, debates and discussions. One can question the conclusions drawn from the investigations. One can question the tone used in certain alarmist proclaimations. One can question the dire predictions and dark fortellings of a depressing or daamged future...but the data is beyond question, the facts are sound. As always, it is the interpretation that is problematic.

Are there observed 'PlanetoPhysical alterations of the Earth'? Well, yes. Does 'Strong evidence exist(s) that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformity's in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System.'? Well, no. Not strong evidence. Evidence however, does exist - of many different types, potentially proving many different things. That 'there is growing probability that we are moving into a rapid temperature instability period similar to the one that took place 10,000 years ago.' is one possible conclusion, that you or I may not agree with. There are quite a few others. Unfortunately, it is a consequence of this stage of coming into a new awareness and the resulting new knowledge of our reality, combined with the nature of our reality itself. A reality that includes things like the millenium group, and people like woo-woos. :)

My advice to anyone who, like Carolyn, 'needs to know' - and we all need to know, whether we know it or not - is to not rely on the chosen expression of a particular interpretation of a certain example of evidence of some kind or another...examine the evidence yourself, as directly as possible, and draw your own conclusion.

For myself, the conclusion about this particular issue is that yes, it is something of concern. A concern of a category which includes the potential hazard of asteroid/comet impacts...something which has also more meaningfully appeared on the government's radar. In some ways we are like primitives who are realizing for the first time that we are neither existentially isolated or eternal. Like the ice ages of our planet's past, people living at that time lived or died by their recognition and adaptation to the new reality. The same is true today for populations in different parts of the world, as it is for the world's population itself.

Certain events being heralded seem outlandish and absurd, when compared to the things we have experienced directly in our own lifetime, or indirectly through the lifetime of recorded history...but the reality is, we are but a single movement of the second hand in the context of the clock of some of the natural processes of the universe in which we live. Time scales of millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of years. It is no surprise that the science of the elements of these processes is often 'polluted' by spirituality and philosophy - two things very crucial to the examination of existence; and that is what in a real way these 'discoveries', these awakenings, are bringing us a better understanding of. Our existence.

My personal alarm level is the product of the following equation - What's the worst thing that can happen if we do nothing, divided by, What can I do? Informed awareness is the first step in performing that calculation, and regardless of the source, or how the information is presented, if it leads you to 'good data', then it itself is a good thing. When it comes to the various potential dangers out there, ultimately, there is no such thing as bad 'publicity'. :)

If I find anything out about this Dmitriev fellow, or get a copy of the original russian text, I'll let you all know.

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It's what Graham Hancock suggest that we are in an end of
a cycle of ages. In esoteric terms it is the shift from
kali yuga to the age of aquarius. These cycles last about
26000 years and are speaking of, not planets, but rotation
of a complete galaxy arriving back to it's orginial point
of departure. Also during this journey there is something
called the rings of the alcyone which our system with sun
and planets crosses right into. Alcyone suggest what
is causing the global changes btw, not that it is a "man
made" global warming with tax scam staged by the UN,
Al-Gore and David De Meyer Rotschild and organized media lies.

This energy most definitely effect peoples chakras.
Now, the scientific establishment, who's philosopy is
based on mechanism and monkeys becoming humans, they
will take a couple of steps back when talking about
chakras. Anything speaking about a multidimensional
universe and etherical energy. It is known in esoterism
that all physical matter has it's counterpart in the
fourth dimension. This is the out of body sone or
what is called astral planes. The whole universe
has it's etherical copy in that dimension. Fifth
dimension is solar astral. But since our chakras,
as for polyvision with the third eye pineal gland,
and pituitary gland for astral audio, it's all defect
in this age of kali yuga. The complete understading
of the mystery of our existence in general cannot
be understood in full lenght if not taking into
consideration that we in fact live in a multi-dimensional
universe and that people do survive death by jumping
into these other universes.

Meaning we are consciousness in bodies and not random
generated bodies without any consciousness at all, as the
establishment likes to lie a about in order to turn
people in to mechanical robots that only are present
on this planet to obey a system. Like modern slaves
thinking they are free with only five senses. The agenda
is all about drugging down the consciousness to a point
they end up with a consuming machines. It's all about
money for them.

The ancients was so obsessed with keeping track of
planetary motion, that the only thing the solar system
and galaxy can be described best as; a clock and calendar
with perfect timing and containing a schedual. The point
of departure is 21.12.2012. That is why the mayan calendar
ends on that day. It is time for a new rotation that will
last for another aprox 26000 years. Do you understand the
serious situtation here. The hiearchs of the white lodge
are not offering any solution to the brutal sad tragedy
called glorious modern civilization. They are offering initiation of the seven chakras.
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Thought provoking but the article doesn't make a lot of sense scientifically and its over ten years old.

What we know definitely.

1. We are passing through the local interstellar cloud.
2. It is inhomogenous.
3. The solar activity has decreased.
4. The ozone layer began to go down in the 1960s and has continued to decrease.
5. Gamma Ray Bursts were first detected in 1967 by the Vela Satellites after they had already been orbiting for four years.
6. The polar ice at the edges is melting.
7. Interstellar clouds contain organic molecules.
8. The earths magentic field has been undergoing reduction for some time.
9. Ice ages seem to occur periodically about every 100,000 years in correlation to the earth's orbital stretch.
10. UV levels in Australia are extreme and trending upwards.
11. The sea level trend is upward.
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This is all well and good, but if you want any attention, your going to have to work on the lead in

try something like this

1-5 This needs to come form 'Russian scientist, or for variety chinese scientist a good leak always gets play time.

6-9 You need to have channeled, form the spirit world or pyschic connections to space aliens.

and 10- and 11 need to come from a high level source from NASA that is just tyring to get the truth out

good luck hiding toungeabduct
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This guy doesn't sound much like a scientist to me.
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maybe he just doesnt sound like a scientist that youre used to hearing.
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Well it's finally come to this.Get ready ruk up.Nothing but a thing.
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that paper's conclusions DO link human spirituality with how we flow thru the process of transition......

[link to www.tmgnow.com]
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Getting grouped with the PX nuts is like a death blow for credibility.
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Agreed, but I have heard theories on this in other articles about other scientists theories on the subject. I have always been one to believe the answer is in between the two extremes on the subject of global warming, being Humans are the sole cause for global warming and the other being it's solely the Sun heating up. It is most likely the Suns effect on earth with our Industrialization increasing the speed and overall effects of the Sun by damaging Earths defences against it. Just my person thoughts on the subject, take it or leave it.

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