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State Imperative – Confiscation of Privately Owned Weapons

by Tim Case

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State."

~ Heinrich Himmler; Reichsführer-SS

Recently, there has been a great deal of conversation concerning the Second Amendment and whether the present administration is going to be a friend, foe or neutral to "gun ownership."

This article attempts to shed light on the discussion.

Can we find an historical time which gives us enough social, economic, and governmental parallels with today and the current administration to make a rational judgment concerning what is likely to occur? Sure we can, more than one; but I think we will find today has a great deal in common with the reign of the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I (527 to 565 AD).

When Justin, Justinian’s uncle, took the throne (518 AD) he and Justinian found the treasuries full. Procopius tells us that the previous emperor "had been the most provident and economical of all monarchs, fearing…that the inheritor of his Empire should find himself in need of money, would perhaps plunder his subjects, (and) filled all the treasuries to their brim with gold before he completed his span of life."

According to Procopius this was a huge sum that "would take the most extravagant of Emperors a hundred years to disburse…" However, Justinian had in a few short years squandered the entire amount.

The result was that when Justinian, in 527 AD, acquired the purple robe of the emperor the eastern empire was in financial straights.

Justinian also found himself embroiled in a war with the Sassanian Dynasty of Persia. This inherited war, along with his desire to regain western Roman provinces which had been lost through earlier barbarian invasions, meant he had to support Roman troops in northern Africa against the Vandals, the Visigoths in Spain and in Italy against the Ostrogoths.

Equally important was the amount of money Justinian paid to those who we would consider "illegal aliens." While a potential threat, the Huns were thought by Justinian, to be indispensable on the grounds that an alliance "was necessary to the Romans against the Goths…or some other foe." Justinian was so convinced of the Huns value to the empire that even after they had raided and plundered Roman citizens he stopped the Thracian and Illyrian generals who planned to attack them as they returned to their own territories.

The consequence of Justinian’s payments and policy toward the Huns was that "having once tasted (of) Roman wealth, (they) never forgot the road that led to it." The Huns, thus emboldened, "ravaged the country as if they were the foe, and enslaved the Romans there; and, laden with booty and captives, these friends and allies of the Romans returned to their homes."

One of the great aspects of studying history is realizing how human nature never changes. Justinian’s policies toward the Huns and their continued raiding of Roman property holders put the Romans farmers in those provinces attacked, in an awkward position. Thus the farmers did what any reasonable person would do when faced with a continuing threat to their family and property; they banded together and attacked the unlawful intruders.

Evidently these justice-loving farmers were successful, for we are told their retaliation resulted in Huns being killed, horses taken and packed with spoils; all of which were undoubtedly considered to be just recompense for past pain and suffering.

We are often informed that government hates competition and it was the same in ancient times. Justinian’s reaction was unquestionably to label those Roman farmers as terrorists, vigilantes, rogue militia or some such "antisocial" term, then to send "agents…from Constantinople to beat and torture them and seize their property, until they had given up all the horses they had taken from the barbarians."

Justinian, unlike today, didn’t have the means to produce money out of thin air. Oh, his policies would impoverish future generations but it wasn’t through debt. Justinian’s only means of raising the capital he needed was either through taxation or unashamed murder and subsequent confiscation of the victim’s wealth. Those whose wealth had been stolen, but allowed to live were released to struggle through life in abject poverty.

Some bureaucratic offices were abolished while others were created then staffed with criminals who were thought to be too smart or too capable not to be placed in positions of authority. This, of course, led to more political abuses, authoritarian injustices, and a more powerful criminal state.

So great was the fear of Justinian and his roving agents that family members and friends turned on each other and "… many died by conspiracy of members of their own households. Nor was there any investigation after these deeds…and none avenged the victim. No longer was there left any force in law or contract, because of this disorder, but everything was settled by violence."

"The State," Procopius says, "might as well have been a tyranny": but it wasn’t an established tyranny in the conventional sense, rather the Byzantine state was so chaotic that what was law one day was being replaced with something new and different the next.

Honest bureaucrats were reduced to sniveling cowards, while judges decided cases not according to what was lawful or traditional justice but based solely on who had the greatest or fewest political connections and what was currently politically correct.

It was one injustice heaped upon another that finally brought the people to a state of rebellion. Procopius explains: "…[T]hose who suffer the most grievously from evildoers are relieved of the greater part of their anguish by the expectation they will sometime be avenged by law and authority. Men who are confident of the future can bear more easily and less painfully their present troubles; but when they are outraged even by the government what befalls them is naturally all the more grievous, and by the failing of all hope of redress they are turned to utter despair."

This despair was first manifested in the rural districts when, because of new laws which amounted to a religious form of political correctness, people were forced “…by the compulsion of law, (to) abandon the belief of their fathers…” which resulted in armed rebellion. The rebellion was for a time successful, but eventually suppressed by Roman troops.

In bringing the uprising to an end, Justinian had in effect made some of the "…most fertile country on earth…destitute of farmers. To the Christian owners of these lands, the affair brought great hardship: for while their profits from these properties were annihilated, they had to pay heavy annual taxes…to the Emperor for the rest of their lives, and secured no remission of this burden."

However, this was just the beginning of Justinian’s problems.

Justinian had come from the peasant class and didn’t have the support of the Roman nobility which left him with no power base among the old aristocracy.

As a result Justinian sought to establish his power base through what was known as the blue party. This was a group of criminals who, with Justinian’s blessing "carried steel openly from the first, while by day they concealed their two-edged daggers along the thigh under their cloaks" and to whom he was very generous with both money and positions of power.

To say that Justinian was not universally popular would be an understatement. His unbridled use of power, criminal associations, lack of support among the nobility, failed economic policies, and total disregard for justice, almost cost him his throne.

It was January 13, 532 AD when the anger of Justinian’s subjects reached a fevered pitch in what is known as the Nika riots. When it was all over Justinian was still in power but some 30,000 who had opposed him were dead; leaving Justinian free to enforce his brand of law.

Among Justinian’s laws, is Title XIV, Concerning Arms, Eighty-Fifth New Constitution (P.313) in which we find the following:

Chapter I

"Therefore, desiring to prevent men from killing each other, We have thought it proper to decree that no private person shall engage in the manufacture of weapons, and that only those shall be authorized to do so who are employed in the public arsenals, or are called armorers; and also that manufacturers of arms should not sell them to any private individual…"

Chapter III

"Therefore, God directing Our thoughts, We decree by the present law that no private individual, or anyone else whosoever shall, in any province or city of Our Empire, have the right to make or sell arms, or deal in them in any way, but only such as are authorized to manufacture them can do so, and deposit them in Our armory…"

Chapter IV

"But in order that what has been forbidden by Us to private persons and all others may become clear, We have taken pains to enumerate in this law the different kinds of weapons whose manufacture is forbidden. Therefore We prohibit private individuals from either making or buying bows, arrows, double-edged swords, ordinary swords, weapons usually called hunting knives, those styled zabes, breast-plates, javelins, lances and spears of every shape whatever, arms called by the Isaurians monocopia, others called sitinnes, or missiles, shields, and helmets; for We do not permit anything of this kind to be manufactured, except by those who are appointed for that purpose in Our arsenals, and only small knives which no one uses in fighting shall be allowed to be made and sold by private persons…"

Far too often the concern regarding gun ownership has revolved around the question: "Will the government seek to take our firearms?" This has consistently been the wrong inquiry; it should never have been "will," but rather "when will." The former is implicit with the addition of the Second Amendment to the Constitution while the latter is subject to a number of real or imagined threats to the state.

George Washington stated much the same thing in his letter to congress at the close of the Constitutional Convention. Washington wrote in part: "…It is obviously impracticable in the federal government of these states, to secure all rights of independent sovereignty to each, and yet provide for the interest and safety of all: Individuals entering into society must give up a share of liberty to preserve the rest. The magnitude of the sacrifice must depend as well on situation and circumstance as on the object to be obtained..." (Italics mine)

President George Washington’s dislike of the "militia" as defined by the Second Amendment, in favor of a standing army, is well documented by historians.

Washington defined the statement "magnitude of the sacrifice" when he utilized "militias" from Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, and New Jersey as a de facto federal standing army to put down the Monongahela Valley "Whisky Rebellion" of the 1790’s; thereby securing a federal tax in perpetuity.

In earlier articles I endeavored to show that government is neither about morality, nor immorality but always about power; either as a protector or predator and sometimes as the principle in both roles at once. When it is understood that government’s power is in reality compulsive unification then it becomes equally obvious that any nonconformity will not be tolerated.

Thus, Washington’s statement above takes on a whole new meaning. For as society continues in the woes of an economic meltdown, being pressured by border incursions, hampered by decisions of inept leadership, saddled with abusive taxation and faced with the loss of their present and future welfare etc… they will of necessity become less amenable to conforming to the dictates of the state.

This threat to the government’s power base will be met first with tactics that generate fear and intimidation, then in the last instance with raw, brute force. Both will be designed to reduce the threat to the state, from nonconformity, by disarming the general public.

As a centralized force, the Federal government, regardless of the administration, has been a foe of gun owners since April 30, 1789 and of the Second Amendment since December 15, 1791.

March 20, 2009

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Nice find, OP.
Tyrants have been disarming their subjects for a long time, eh?
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[SIZE="4"]German school massacre repackaged to push disarm citizens agenda to utter limits[/SIZE]

Illustrates illuminati repackaging; exposes worldwide first the package, uncovering it as Virginia Tech II. Compares the core hoax with the 9/11 core hoax (both media hoaxes). Explains how the satanic celebration of Virginia Tech was upscaled.

Difference between Hitler 1933-1934 and US now
Manual used by Hitler in 1933-1934, with the first edict TOTALLY denying citizens access to weapons, with monopoly reserved to the nazi forces responsible for enforcing the terror state (Gestapo and SS), is the same as now.(1)
The difference in the implementation: what the party of Hitler did alone in Germany is done now together by the two "parties" in the U.S.: one of the objectives of the role of Bush was to cause as much dissociation as required for the acceptance of the most important edict of his "democratic" successor in script: total disarmament of the citizens. (2)

Germany, once again reaches utter limits first
Massacre in German school by teenager (3), was the perfect (4) first act (5) to be repackaged and sold to push to the utter limits the "Disarm citizens" agenda, i.e. abolishing the absolute last right to self protection, to keep a weapon at home.

Repackaging includes:
- "explaining" that the cause for the massacre is the possibility to buy guns legally. The same record continues to be played long after after the right of defense (prohibition on carrying weapons) was legally abolished ("coincidentally" following the first school rampage in Germany, 2002).
- using the massacre to "prove" that the right to keep a weapon at home must be completely abolished, i.e. "concluding" that it should not even be allowed to sport shooters. Repackaging this point included having the largest (both in size and audience) german newspaper, Bild, use all of the first page, the day after the rampage, a fake photo of a 10 year old, supposedly Tim Kretschmer, practicing at a shooting stand.
- censoring any question about how was is possible that nobody was able to respond to a single attacker, and that for hours.
- censoring the real reason for the massacre: Tim Kretschmer was under "psychiatric treatment", i.e. his mind had been completely destroyed by BIG PHARMA (6). While "serious" media keeps this information out from any headlines, the media playing the boulevard role report it ONCE in Sub-Headlines, repackaged ("interrupted psychotherapy" - "Psychotherapie hat er unterbrochen") to pass the opposite message (Tim K. stopped taking drugs, the cause of the massacre). And what better location for placing this than below the photo that "Bild" would confess after to not show Tim (one day later, in small font, and of course not in the front page) and the headlines "The sick world of the killer - Here he was only 10 years old" (Die Kranke Welt des Killer - Hier war er erst 10) ?

Separation between Packaging and Repackaging - Tim Kretschmer v 9/11
To explain how the official story is repackaged to serve the "Disarm Citizens" agenda the relevant question is not "how true is the package?" but "Is the package consistent, i.e. are the basic assumptions valid?".
The package has Tim Kretschmer undergoing "psychiatric treatment" and that is consistent with the profile of a teenager going on rampage. This is why it was worth to previously explain the repackaging process.
Contrast this with the 9/11 package, where despite the fact that only a small part of the basic package was consistent - "suicide bombers" being muslims, like "amok teenager" undergoing psychiatric treatment or "paparazzi persecuting Princess Diana's car" - people accepted the rest of the impossible package (what was deliberately designed to pass a terror message from the beginning, like the Pentagon "crash", not relevant in this context):
- "muslims attacking targets within Illuminatiziland, aka West" violates the fundamental law ruling behavior of muslims: the tactic of the muslims is to NOT execute any attacks in areas where they are a minority, because the demographic bomb is the weapon used to become a majority, the moment where the terror begins.
- "WTC planes evaporating after crash" or "steel melting leading to collapse of skyscrapers": any of these pieces of the package violate the laws of physics. No further evidence is required to expose 9/11 as a total lie.

Tim Kretschmer Package, the Perfect Shot
Although the "Tim Kreschmer" package - only the part not intentionally designed to pass a message of terror - is consistent, it is totally staged, a complete lie. It was designed as:
- the "perfect shot" for the "Disarm citizens" agenda, with the perfect "father" 's profile (owns sixteen guns); (7)
- the perfect script for two other agendas that are also advanced: "Legalize Terror" and "Celebrations of the post-acceptance of the mark of the beast".

Staged "10 years old Tim Kretschmer" Media Hoax is used to sell the real "Tim Kretschmer" Media Hoax
But was there any other goal for newspaper "Bild" to publish the photo of "10 years old Tim shooting" and admit the day after that it was not Tim, other than to sell the same message packaged by the "serious" largest magazin "Der Spiegel" as "Armed Republic of Germany - the life threatening nonsense of privately owned firearms" using a more serious technique, the red color of the German flag suggesting the "blood caused by the evil citizens who own guns"?

Answer: the second goal of this official media hoax was the same as to have "Tim Kretschmer" undergoing "psychiatric treatment": to sell that "Tim Kretschmer" did exist.
The simple Truth that everyone will refuse to accept, because it is TOO HORRIBLE for them, the core hoax used to stage the Winnenden massacre: Tim Kretschmer, as we know "him" from photos, is nothing but a Photoshop creation.
An official media hoax is used to improve the credibility of the real media hoax, i.e. that there was indeed a Tim Kretschmer before March 11, 2009.

Media Hoaxes exposed and End Times Reductionism: Winnenden v 9/11 core hoaxes
Like the 911 script, where the WTC second "plane" was added to the "live" broadcast by CNN and FOX, the core hoax is again a media hoax. Newspaper "Bild", the same media used for the staged media hoax, was also assigned the role of the "exclusive interview with photos of a relative of Tim Kretschmer". (8)
The undeniable evidence that Tim K. never existed is the fact that "Bild" can NOT prove, with footage, that "grandparents" seen in the photo really exist.

Nothing escapes the Laws of End times Reductionism as the BIG LIE technique also reachs the utter limits:
- ONE photo is the KEY to expose the most detailed fake ever designed to die the same day that it was released by the media: The photo of the "grandparents" of Tim Kretschmer, used in the "interview" days after March 11 is the only key required to open the DOOR: "Did Tim K. ever exist?".
- this time the production of the media hoax is reduced from CGI computer graphics by two television channels to Photo processing software by just one newspaper.

How was the satanic celebration upscaled, compared to Virginia Tech
The question of footnote 3 was answered: Winnenden was not another Columbine High School. It was another Virginia Tech.
But the "Celebrations of the post-acceptance of the mark of the beast" agenda must be upscaled. In this case this was done by adding the chapter "Tim Kretschmer kidnaps innocent bystander, after the massacre and before commiting suicide".
The "innocent bystander" is celebrated as hero in the main serious talk-show of state television, sitting "coincidentally" on the next chair to the former finance minister Waigel, the symbol the days when the "human cattle" was still being transported to the slaughterhouse. The "hero" plays the role of "don't believe one word of the story I tell you". One of the goals of that role is to let the audience get the ultimate message of this agenda: in fact he was the murder of those school children.

Another agenda where the utter limits were reached with the Winnenden act. Again first in Gemany.

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Nice find, OP.
Tyrants have been disarming their subjects for a long time, eh?
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Very nice find!

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Uhhhhhhhhhh, HELLO! There were no guns in 6th Century Rome, HELLO! EARTH TO OP!
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Yeah OP needs to change the title to "Weapon Control" LOL
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Uhhhhhhhhhh, HELLO! There were no guns in 6th Century Rome, HELLO! EARTH TO OP!
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The guns were crossbows. The laws were the same.
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Uhhhhhhhhhh, HELLO! There were no guns in 6th Century Rome, HELLO! EARTH TO OP!

The guns were crossbows. The laws were the same.
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HELLO! Guns arent crossbows. HELLO!









































HELLO!
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Maybe this is true!


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Why is this pinned? I have nothing against having guns, but after that white supremacist killed those 3 cops, the people who are obsessed with the gun subject like it's the biggest problem in the world are starting to be annoying. "Eerie Parallels with modern America" that's only meant to stir emotions up with people who think this is the most important subject ever to come across the face of the earth.
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Saint Justinian, a Christian Emperor, shows indeed that gun control is a Christian idea. Don't forget it.
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this is rome, they just moved it. the profane eagles.
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this is Rome, they just moved it. the profane eagles.
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Right you are.
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Pardon my French and attitude but Cheeses Chucking Rice the OP if plucking full of SHIT! STRAIGHT fucking fearmongering and down right clinically psychologically PARANOID!!!!!!

Damn it to hell! I am a registered Democrat. We come in all shapes and sizes. I have belonged to unions in the past and I am now self employed with two businesses. I FISH AND I HUNT!!! I FLY MY FLAG. I have two bass rods, and ocean rod and a lamiglass fly rod and a Shotgun and maybe I'll get a pistol off of Pop if I can sweet talk him into it. OVER MY DEAD BODY WILL MY PARTY CONFISCATE ALL GUNS as the first posts alludes.

Stick to facts.

This is not Nazi Germany and Heinrich Himmler is DEAD AS A DOORNAIL!!! I FUCKING HATE NAZIS AND FASCISTS!!!!


BULL FUCKING SHIT HAS THE GOVERNMENT BEEN ANTI-GUN SINCE 1789 AND 1791.

KISS MY ASS WITH THIS PARANOIA BULLSHIT!

I HOPE YOU DON'T BAN ME FOR THIS BUT BY GOD I AM SICK OF THIS. LEW ROCKWELL CAN SIT ON IT!!

if the above doesn't apply then you can come to my 4th of July woodfire cookout. BYOB and steaks or whatever. We will have plenty hotdogs, burgers and some domestic beers and sodas in reserve so don't stress it.

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Energy cycles within every intent. If we invent a new source for enlightenment, even that will cycle. There is no washing clean and starting over to a conecular form of growth. Just as contemporary guns are controlled a new laser gun will evolve.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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It seems that, if you are going to tax and inflate trillions of dollars of Americans' (and their descendants') money, and then hand this money over to wealthy criminals, then you'd better make sure these Americans are well observed, well policed - and above all - disarmed.
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Damn it to hell! I am a registered Democrat. We come in all shapes and sizes. I have belonged to unions in the past and I am now self employed with two businesses. I FISH AND I HUNT!!! I FLY MY FLAG. I have two bass rods, and ocean rod and a lamiglass fly rod and a Shotgun and maybe I'll get a pistol off of Pop if I can sweet talk him into it. OVER MY DEAD BODY WILL MY PARTY CONFISCATE ALL GUNS as the first posts alludes.

Stick to facts.

This is not Nazi Germany and Heinrich Himmler is DEAD AS A DOORNAIL!!! I FUCKING HATE NAZIS AND FASCISTS!!!!


BULL FUCKING SHIT HAS THE GOVERNMENT BEEN ANTI-GUN SINCE 1789 AND 1791.

KISS MY ASS WITH THIS PARANOIA BULLSHIT!

I HOPE YOU DON'T BAN ME FOR THIS BUT BY GOD I AM SICK OF THIS. LEW ROCKWELL CAN SIT ON IT!!

if the above doesn't apply then you can come to my 4th of July woodfire cookout. BYOB and steaks or whatever. We will have plenty hotdogs, burgers and some domestic beers and sodas in reserve so don't stress it.

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DumbAss!
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One things for sure. We're fugged with Obama in office.
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Great post OP!

Our whole system of government - right down to the buildings, symbols and words used - is based on Rome.

Rome never fell - we are under it's yoke and bondage to this very day.

A thread showing the parallels between the USA today and ancient Rome would be very enlightening.

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O'Ears and the rest of the spiritual skanks in DC should worry less about gun control and more about flame thrower control.
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LouisWinthorpeIII

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Re: Wow! First "Gun Control" laws in history - - from 6th Century Roman Empire - - Eerie Parallels with Modern America..
Can anyone find the actual source of these Justinain laws?

I'm getting 0 on [link to uwacadweb.uwyo.edu]


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edit the article quoted above was from here:

[link to www.silverbearcafe.com]

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and the laws were taken from here:

[link to www.constitution.org]

Last Edited by LouisWinthorpeIII on 04/10/2009 04:33 PM
"I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln."
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Last Edited by LouisWinthorpeIII on 04/10/2009 05:33 PM
"I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln."
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Re: Wow! First "Gun Control" laws in history - - from 6th Century Roman Empire - - Eerie Parallels with Modern America..
Can anyone find the actual source of these Justinain laws?

I'm getting 0 on [link to uwacadweb.uwyo.edu]


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edit the article quoted above was from here:

[link to www.silverbearcafe.com]

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and the laws were taken from here:

[link to www.constitution.org]
 Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIII

I believe the full works are here, although I just skimmed it:

[link to www.fordham.edu]
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Re: Wow! First "Gun Control" laws in history - - from 6th Century Roman Empire - - Eerie Parallels with Modern America..
Uhhhhhhhhhh, HELLO! There were no guns in 6th Century Rome, HELLO! EARTH TO OP!
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there was no 6th century roman empire either
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Re: Wow! First "Gun Control" laws in history - - from 6th Century Roman Empire - - Eerie Parallels with Modern America..
Uhhhhhhhhhh, HELLO! There were no guns in 6th Century Rome, HELLO! EARTH TO OP!

there was no 6th century roman empire either
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Justinian was ruler of the Eastern Roman Empire, which technically, lasted up until 1453.
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