I SAW JESUS PERFECTION

Friend !!!

Howdy! Spent far too much time engaging in silly spats on GLP today. Otherwise, great day. You?

I had to work again! I'm glad it is the weekend. We have a gospel - blue grass concert at our local church.

Should be fun! Any plans?

Were your visions in line with the Word of God?

What did you see?

How can we know what you mean by "What I call full body visions?"

Can you clarify?

May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His peace.

I should have been working harder, actually. No big plans. Probably fall yard work. The Gospel-Blue Grass concert sounds great. It would be pretty unusual here in the Midwest, though it probably happens somewhere.

Well to answer your question, I cannot determine whether the 2 visions were in line with the scriptures or not...I believe so, but I'm no expert.

I have heard "The Word" several Times, and can tell you that both the visions and spoken words, were in my estimation to have been in line with the scriptures. But that is my opinion...

I will share one vision, and one word with you, and you can judge.

"The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it through another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM."










Were your visions in line with the Word of God?

What did you see?

How can we know what you mean by "What I call full body visions?"

Can you clarify?

May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His peace.

Paul says:

I know a follower of Christ who was snatched away to the third heaven fourteen years ago. I don't know whether this happened to him physically or spiritually. Only God knows.





Were your visions in line with the Word of God?

What did you see?

How can we know what you mean by "What I call full body visions?"

Can you clarify?

May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His peace.

Were your visions in line with the Word of God?

What did you see?

How can we know what you mean by "What I call full body visions?"

Can you clarify?

May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His peace.



Awesome! So how is your life going now? How long ago did this happen? Do you feel like God is using you now for His glory???

Thanks for sharing. May Almighty God continue to bless you.

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Hey brother that is a loaded question...

I don't even know if I can answer you. Even if I tried, it may be beyond my ability to explain. It also may be more than you would want to tackle...

If we could sit down for coffee, then maybe we would end up understanding each other and seeing eye to eye.

My life has been so strange. Very difficult (I know everyone goes thru things, and some much harder than what I have gone thru)...

Funny we need disclaimers to communicate lest someone misunderstand. Maybe that is why, they say in Heaven, the thought is the same as if you spoke...God sees motive and intention..

For example when the philistines wanted to know where the children of God went (Jews) in the OT, and she said she didn't know...She lied...But God calls here righteous, a women of the faith.

I would love to tell you. I type so slow, it would take forever...even if I could find the words...

I've shared my testimony many times, but maybe you never saw it. I post it in hope, well for two things really.

One: That maybe someone will read it and come to Christ.

two: That possible others hear the same thing, and these others would be Eklesia...But only God knows who these people are. Only he can gather them together.

I'll paste it below. If you want to talk more then we can.

Nice to hear from you, and I believe you hear from God...I didn't mean it the way it may have come off yesterday, no harm meant...It was not an attack.

Blessings

I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces.

Once my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. As early as 7yrs old I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What’s that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it through another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let’s go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?” I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that’s all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just “know” he’s suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). “Why don’t you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don’t drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God’s will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

Now let me share some thoughts/opinions:

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?

Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD! Experiencing God is more important than the scriptures! You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don't experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don't have any place of reference, without HIM.

2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom", I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding), I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ, I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I've seen people chase tithes and money, I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen people pretend to prophecy, knowing they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing), I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?

This is why I believe we must have and will have change. As I search, I've come across a hand full of people that have the essence/smell of life and others who are just religious (relating to God only in their learning and mind), yet I yearn for true brethren and their fellowship, realizing that only God can cause these people to be gathered together and revealed to one another, and have them be in accord with one mind. Jesus may give the gift of eternal life to some, that's His prerogative, but to say all people have the same "experience/fellowship/love relationship" with Jesus or each other is not correct. We see the difference in people (John, Peter, Paul) and we see the same differences thru-out time, we see times of revival (1900's, 1940's, 1970's) and in each of these times we see tare and wheat together. We see a time of purity and passion then a colder period, where men's hearts seem to grow cold, and God becomes a forgotten memory.

In contrast we never see this in churches, they are always attended by praying people, people arguing scriptures and doctrine, yet hardly ever displaying life as we see in the same revival periods. Yes I believe mercy, calls for a move of God again.

3).One more reason, I believe we need change is because the gospel needs to be preached. We believe the gospel has been preached, from the generosity of America, but I think this is only true in very narrow windows of time (revival 1900's, 1940's, 1970's etc) and only by certain persons (who knew HIM). Then of course there is the occasional believer who is submitted to the (breathings) of the Spirit, this believer shares out of the reservoir of undeniable life (the fellowship between this believer and the Spirit). This bears fruit since it’s not just a message of words but is accompanied by this fellowship and life. The preaching of the gospel by religious folks just doesn't work! How could it, they are not ambassadors of the very Spirit, since they refuse to give up their life through that act of ultimate (life giving) which is the "surrender of self". The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing...NOT a mental thing, it wasn't an agreement with certain doctrines or creeds, it wasn't from arguing the scriptures, it wasn't from forming a new church or denomination, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as "seeing they had been with Jesus". Being in his presence and service, is the key, Paul called this being a love slave, a life like Paul's multiplied thousands of times over will "again" cause the world to SEE and HEAR the TRUE gospel.

4). In the 1860's 1900's 1940's 1960's we saw the beginning of several moves of God upon people who were desperate to know HIM. They found the one they were seeking for. Then shortly after in each time period, (even in the new testament) we see charlatans, hirelings move in among the sheep of God, these men who really don't know the master teach doctrines not from revelation via an intimate relationship. But from the minds of others who were also like themselves, who teach only from the tree of knowledge: From the mind of one man to the mind of another, thereby polluting the little sheep and convincing others, because the so-called doctrines of men are believed by the masses also.

This is such a subtle thing that it can inhibit your walk, because you’re not discipled but instead taught by men who have never had an intimate walk with God. So as believers we must know Him and find revelation that agrees with the scriptures, and or that changes our understanding of the scriptures.

5). It's hard to find answers sometimes since we are mortal. And often IF you are like me, its hard to keep on believing that God can find a good reason to go on loving us...

But as I look back...I see of course some differences, the late 60's through the mid 70's were a move of god, especially for the young...We always see (under an anointing) god doing unusual graceful things in the lives of people...Then it tapers off...Probably so as not too be common and taken for granted by us.

So where does an experience in God begin? I have to believe (and remember I'm limited by my mortality and limited knowledge so I could be wrong), it starts with God putting a hunger in your heart....Now if that hunger exists,then I would approach God in a simple fashion, (for me it was doing the only thing I knew to do, I went to the Library to research books about religion and god). then shortly after I prayed with Gary (see testimony) I just knew in my heart that god wanted my whole life, every thought belonged to him, SO I just started with my thoughts, if I had a thought that came into my mind and it said "give that person a bible" or "tell that person that you are a Christian and that you will be praying for them" then I would obey....

A brother told me too keep on obeying those thoughts as long as they agreed with scripture, and as I did then the thoughts would go from just thoughts, too the voice of the Lord, (my sheep know my voice) (sheep follow-they are surrendered to their master), well just as this brother said, it did indeed happen that way for me...So seek HIM and...I'm sure you will meet HIM, maybe in a different experience, but never the less I'm sure His goal will be the same...To possess your whole heart.

6). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600's living under the rule of the Catholic Church. The peasant is working the field and a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture; the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant "How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate?" The peasant replies: "because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong"!

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God"







Awesome! So how is your life going now? How long ago did this happen? Do you feel like God is using you now for His glory???

Thanks for sharing. May Almighty God continue to bless you.

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Awsome God bless you brother, i Love Father and the Son so much. i hug him everytime i pray just about :)may he keep you strong and bless you with uncountable amount of bless's

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Tuesday 15 July 1997

On this day I went outside Air Traffic Approach building, to have a smoke on the steps. I don't recall doing anything special in the way of being spiritual; I was just thinking of God and probably making up songs in my heart for Him, as I sucked on a cigarette. Then all of a sudden I heard a wind blow from the right moving to the left of me and heard a sound of a town, horses and people talking in some language I never heard before. As I watch a scene unrolled like a scroll from the right to left. I saw a man lying face down on a curved stone with his hands bound to the stone. Two people were whipping this man, one on either side of him. As each of them whipped him I could hear them cursing him in there own language. I could also see the cords of the whip cut deep to the bone and then drag hunk of flesh away as the whip was being withdrawn. During all this I sat there with my cigarette in my hand wondering what's going on and thinking to myself, "I know this man, I know this man". The whipping continued and with each lash of the whip the man would give a cry, not a scream, it was like a teeth clenched growl. I could also sense the pain as if I was watching a really violent movie. Then the view panned around so I was face to face with the man but his head was facing down, then he was lashed once more and as the lash struck his back he quickly raised his head in obvious pain and looked into my eyes. I instantly realised that it was Jesus and He said to me as He looked into my eyes with His pain filled eyes, "That's for you Craig". Then the vision vanished and I sat there with tear filled eyes thinking, "I just seen Jesus being whipped and it seemed so personal". He said, "that's for you Craig".

Did this experience change your life at all?

Yeah I felt down for years but He said to me only a few weeks ago about this vision.
As I was thinking about the vision He said, Craig how many other people do you think have seen that vision out all the people in history?
I said None.
He said yeah, Just you.
But that still does not help me much.

What did He look Like?
I thought He looked like me but more muscular and powerful.
White, Long Brown hair and Blue pain filled eyes.

Jesus is/was fake.

Jesus is/was a historical person.

I saw Jesus and I know that if I remain faithful to Him then I will see Him again! Alleluia!!!

Hmmm, yes. I have reviewed this thread and gave it a proper one star.

Jesus loves you. I pray you have a wonderful night.

About 30 years ago I was in Okinawa, Japan. I was 22 years old. I felt very separated from my family and friends. I was feeling very lonely in those days especially because I knew it would be at least 9 more months before I could return home to the USA. Feeling overwhelmed by my experience I fell to the floor and cried out, "Oh, Lord, I promise I'll be good, please take away this loneliness." As I cried with my eyes shut and my face buried in my arm I could see light. I saw myself through the eyes of Jesus and felt the emotions he felt as he watched this young man cry out in prayer. The incredible compassion Jesus felt for me compelled him to descend upon me. I was actually watching myself - from above - through Jesus' eyes.

My vision was amazing to me. I got up onto my knees as Jesus [His Holy Spirit] descended upon me. I could feel this awesome life form, this very real life presence penetrate my rib cage and enter into me. I could feel the Holy Spirit taking away my terrible loneliness and replacing it with Joy. A Real JOY that had escaped my for so long. Through the presence of God infilling me I understood that Jesus loved me, my sins were forgiven, and I was filled with the Presence that brings eternal life.

This out-of-body experience changed my life forever! I understand that some of you do not understand yet that Jesus is Lord but millions of us do know him as a true friend. We have experience his love and are able to share it with whoever will listen. I hope this testimony of Jesus is a blessing to you and I also hope and pray you enjoy your day!

You can read my entire experience of God at...

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Good evening

Thank You OP, for your splendid service to Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

I believe that the Lord suffered and eventually died as a result of the sins of mankind.For we know that the wages of sin is death....

Do you think that the outward torture/abuse of His body is a manifestation of the inward torture/abuse of sin to mankind's soul?

Thanks in Advance

Hello Friend!

For those who beat and killed Him, yes.


Now, the inward torture/abuse of sin to mankind's soul is murdering the ones whom He loves and died for.


May the Lord Jesus keep you in His peace.

You are wrong they have some of Peters' own paper or scrolls, but parts are burned. A monk was using them for fire wood when a woman saw what they were and rescued them before they all burned.

The ones that were saved was about the crucification.