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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the enumerated powers act is a great idea imagine that wow, the US is actually suggesting that laws be adhered to by constitutional principles. what an original idea. **if you read the BOR's specifically the 9th/10th amendments youll find there're already said restrictions on governmental powers tho politicians totally ignore them anyway. so with that being said on what rational basis should anyone predicate that these same politicians wouldnt ignore any additional restrictions that're enacted into law? the bottom line is this as long as the corporate owned shadow monopoly continues to puppetize our govt it'll be business as usual for the real owners of this country. Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 04/12/2009 07:15 PM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Finally. Quoting: DaJavooMy fear is that the MAJORITY will bow to President Pelosi's wishes and continue to wipe their arses with the Constitution. im to tired to look, but i think this was also brought about in 07???. and fwiw, ms pelosi is a traitor. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Ricfly52 User ID: 272605 United States 04/12/2009 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Congressman Introduces Enumerated Powers Act Quoting: Phennommennonnthe Enumerated Powers Act, sporting 19 co-sponsors to date (04/09/09). The Act would do the following: Requires each Act of Congress to contain a concise and definite statement of the constitutional authority relied upon for the enactment of each portion of that Act. Declares that failure to comply with this requirement shall give rise to a point of order in either chamber of Congress. The report goes on (with reference to Rep. Shadegg’s press release): As a reminder of the federal government’s limited powers, 20 representatives want to ensure that every single piece of legislation passing through Congress includes a statement citing specific constitutional authority for enacting it. … When he introduced the proposal Jan. 9, Shadegg gave a House floor speech reminding his colleagues of limited authority granted in the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution. It states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” “What that means is that the Founding Fathers intended our national government to be a limited government, a government of limited powers that cannot expand its legislative authority into areas reserved to the states or to the people,” Shadegg said. “As the final amendment in the 10 Bill of Rights, it is clear that the Constitution establishes a Federal Government of specifically enumerated and limited powers.” For that reason, Shadegg said he has introduced the Enumerated Powers Act each year that he’s been in Congress. “This measure would enforce a constant and ongoing re-examination of the role of our national government,” he said. “… It is simply intended to require a scrutiny that we should look at what we enact and that, by doing so, we can slow the growth and reach of the Federal Government, and leave to the states or the people, those functions that were reserved to them by the Constitution.” Shadegg said the act would perform three important functions: 1. It would encourage members of Congress to consider whether their proposed legislation belongs in the federal level in the allocation of powers or whether it belongs with the states or the people. 2. It would force lawmakers to include statements explaining by what authority they are acting. 3. It would give the U.S. Supreme Court the ability to scrutinize constitutional justification for every piece of legislation. If the justification does not hold up, the courts and the people could hold Congress accountable and eliminate acts that reach beyond the scope of the Constitution. He said the Founding Fathers granted specific, limited powers to the national government to protect the people’s freedom. “As a result, the Constitution gives the Federal Government only 18 specific enumerated powers, just 18 powers,” Shadegg noted. Beginning with President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, he said, Congress has ignored the 10th Amendment and greatly expanded federal government. “Let me be clear,” he said. “Virtually all the measures which go beyond the scope of the powers granted to the Federal Government by the 10th amendment are well-intentioned. But unfortunately, many of them are not authorized by the Constitution. The Federal Government has ignored the Constitution and expanded its authority into every aspect of human conduct, and quite sadly, it is not doing many of those things very well.” While many believe government “can do anything,” that is not what the Founding Fathers intended for the nation, Shadegg contends. WND columnist Henry Lamb has been urging voters to contact representatives and ask directly if they will co-sponsor and vote for the Enumerated Powers Act, or explain why not – in writing. The legislation has 19 co-sponsors – all Republicans. Lamb suggested the act become the theme song of the tea parties taking place around the nation. “Nothing short of massive public pressure will force congressmen to take a position on this important bill.” Lamb wrote. “Nothing short of a return to the Constitution can save this great nation.” Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., chairs the House Rules Committee, and Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairs the House Judiciary Committee – where the act was referred Jan. 9 and remains today. “Both of these committee chairs should be bombarded with phone calls and e-mails asking that H.R. 450 be brought to the House floor for a recorded vote,” Lamb wrote. Shadegg said the federal government has acted too long without constitutional restraint and has blatantly ignored principles of federalism. He urged his colleagues to join him in “supporting a review and a criticism and an evaluation of the proper role of the Federal Government in order to empower the American people and to distribute power as the Constitution contemplated it.” [link to www.therightsideoflife.com] This what needs doing, but I fear it is just a fart in the wind. Pelosie and Reid, will have this under the table in no time! Obama, will never sign it! If it did get passed. Fishing and skiing keeps me a little sane. |
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DaJavoo User ID: 647217 United Arab Emirates 04/12/2009 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Finally. Quoting: PhennommennonnMy fear is that the MAJORITY will bow to President Pelosi's wishes and continue to wipe their arses with the Constitution. im to tired to look, but i think this was also brought about in 07???. and fwiw, ms pelosi is a traitor. I don't recall if it was brought up before. The SOB's should READ and ADHERE to the freakin' CONSTITUTION ~ fer cryin' out loud they are all fukin' lawyers! As for Madame Speaker ~ I agree ~ a bitch beyond redemption. :DJrebelli: |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't recall if it was brought up before. The SOB's should READ and ADHERE to the freakin' CONSTITUTION ~ fer cryin' out loud they are all fukin' lawyers! Quoting: DaJavooAs for Madame Speaker ~ I agree ~ a bitch beyond redemption. sure after they literally shit all over it since the patriot act this comes about. and dont get me started on pukelosi political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This what needs doing, but I fear it is just a fart in the wind. Quoting: Ricfly52Pelosie and Reid, will have this under the table in no time! Obama, will never sign it! If it did get passed. absolutely & w/o a doubt. fucking traitors. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . who? real americans do. and thanks for the bump fukko. Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 04/12/2009 07:22 PM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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AsperGirl User ID: 637830 United States 04/12/2009 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is Congressional Idiot story of the day. An Enumerated Powers requirement means absolutely nothing and would be unenforceable. Congress has no power to alter the Constitution. Congress has a Constitutionally-given right and power to make laws. To take that power away, or condition it on Congress doing certain rituals (like enumerating powers) would require that the Constitution be changed. Congress can't enforce a law modifying or limiting a right or power it enjoys under the Constitution, even if the President signs it. Any more than Congress can enforce a law declaring that the Bill of Rights only applies to landowners. Who is Shadegg, some no-name in the House who's wasting taxpayer money on grandstanding with empty gestures, with all we have going on? Last Edited by Andromeda on 04/12/2009 07:27 PM |
The Magnificent Bastard User ID: 254206 United States 04/12/2009 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't see this passing. Not while the strings are being pulled. Like the old saying goes: Wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which gets filled first. I have no sense decency! That way, my other senses are enhanced! I'm a pragmatist, everyone's an asshole but me. |
II-Neutron User ID: 653755 Canada 04/12/2009 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shadegg said the act would perform three important functions: 1. It would encourage members of Congress to consider whether their proposed legislation belongs in the federal level in the allocation of powers or whether it belongs with the states or the people. 2. It would force lawmakers to include statements explaining by what authority they are acting. 3. It would give the U.S. Supreme Court the ability to scrutinize constitutional justification for every piece of legislation. If the justification does not hold up, the courts and the people could hold Congress accountable and eliminate acts that reach beyond the scope of the Constitution. Yes! It is about bloody time. Thanks for posting OP! oI wonder will they allow this to go any farther, they had better. Wow finally some one (Shadegg) bringing the reality of the Republic (not a democracy!) back to the fore! [email protected] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews: 11 |
II-Neutron User ID: 653755 Canada 04/12/2009 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would be cool to see this pinned, it is that important! [email protected] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews: 11 |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is Congressional Idiot story of the day. An Enumerated Powers requirement means absolutely nothing and would be unenforceable. Congress has no power to alter the Constitution. Congress has a Constitutionally-given right and power to make laws. To take that power away, or condition it on Congress doing certain rituals (like enumerating powers) would require that the Constitution be changed. Congress can't enforce a law modifying or limiting a right or power it enjoys under the Constitution, even if the President signs it. Any more than Congress can enforce a law declaring that the Bill of Rights only applies to landowners. Who is Shadegg, some no-name in the House who's wasting taxpayer money on grandstanding with empty gestures, with all we have going on? i dunno you might have a point in there somewhere as ive had to many cocktails this evening. but if youre correct in what ive read in your assertions, this might be like the since defunct AMC pacer - a good idea in theory but just didnt work. Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 04/12/2009 07:34 PM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
twistedfugger User ID: 655242 United States 04/12/2009 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is Congressional Idiot story of the day. An Enumerated Powers requirement means absolutely nothing and would be unenforceable. Congress has no power to alter the Constitution. Congress has a Constitutionally-given right and power to make laws. To take that power away, or condition it on Congress doing certain rituals (like enumerating powers) would require that the Constitution be changed. Congress can't enforce a law modifying or limiting a right or power it enjoys under the Constitution, even if the President signs it. Any more than Congress can enforce a law declaring that the Bill of Rights only applies to landowners. Who is Shadegg, some no-name in the House who's wasting taxpayer money on grandstanding with empty gestures, with all we have going on? You make an interesting argument. However, enumerated powers are the law in which congress operates, no? Yes, this is political grand standing to a degree, but could also be viewed as a wake up call as congress, and the executive branch as they have surely over stepped their bounds over the last several administrations and congresses. Sadly, all three branches abiding by the powers enumerated in the constitution is laughable at this point. The constitution has become nothing more than a reference point to be misconstrued, and re defined. Nice thread Phen. Don't hold your breath. Last Edited by ............. on 04/12/2009 07:40 PM |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is Congressional Idiot story of the day. An Enumerated Powers requirement means absolutely nothing and would be unenforceable. Congress has no power to alter the Constitution. Congress has a Constitutionally-given right and power to make laws. To take that power away, or condition it on Congress doing certain rituals (like enumerating powers) would require that the Constitution be changed. Congress can't enforce a law modifying or limiting a right or power it enjoys under the Constitution, even if the President signs it. Any more than Congress can enforce a law declaring that the Bill of Rights only applies to landowners. Who is Shadegg, some no-name in the House who's wasting taxpayer money on grandstanding with empty gestures, with all we have going on? You make an interesting argument. However, enumerated powers are the law in which congress operates, no? Yes, this is political grand standing to a degree, but could also be viewed as a wake up call as congress, and the executive branch as they have surely over stepped their bounds over the last several administrations and congresses. Sadly, all three branches abiding by the powers enumerated in the constitution is laughable at this point. The constitution has become nothing more than a reference point to be misconstrued, and re defined. Nice thread Phen. Don't hold your breath. TF your reply makes more sense amidst my continued cocktail hour tho my cynical sense suspects AG might have a point re them having to rewrite it, and if im not mistaken we're still what 2 states away from a con con (constitutional convention) could something like this come back to haunt us? gotta balance both sides of the argument here no? Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 04/12/2009 07:47 PM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shadegg said the act would perform three important functions: Quoting: II-Neutron1. It would encourage members of Congress to consider whether their proposed legislation belongs in the federal level in the allocation of powers or whether it belongs with the states or the people. 2. It would force lawmakers to include statements explaining by what authority they are acting. 3. It would give the U.S. Supreme Court the ability to scrutinize constitutional justification for every piece of legislation. If the justification does not hold up, the courts and the people could hold Congress accountable and eliminate acts that reach beyond the scope of the Constitution. Yes! It is about bloody time. Thanks for posting OP! oI wonder will they allow this to go any farther, they had better. Wow finally some one (Shadegg) bringing the reality of the Republic (not a democracy!) back to the fore! im wondering the same. someone posted my exact reaction - the dems will kill it. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
twistedfugger User ID: 655242 United States 04/12/2009 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is Congressional Idiot story of the day. An Enumerated Powers requirement means absolutely nothing and would be unenforceable. Congress has no power to alter the Constitution. Congress has a Constitutionally-given right and power to make laws. To take that power away, or condition it on Congress doing certain rituals (like enumerating powers) would require that the Constitution be changed. Congress can't enforce a law modifying or limiting a right or power it enjoys under the Constitution, even if the President signs it. Any more than Congress can enforce a law declaring that the Bill of Rights only applies to landowners. Who is Shadegg, some no-name in the House who's wasting taxpayer money on grandstanding with empty gestures, with all we have going on? You make an interesting argument. However, enumerated powers are the law in which congress operates, no? Yes, this is political grand standing to a degree, but could also be viewed as a wake up call as congress, and the executive branch as they have surely over stepped their bounds over the last several administrations and congresses. Sadly, all three branches abiding by the powers enumerated in the constitution is laughable at this point. The constitution has become nothing more than a reference point to be misconstrued, and re defined. Nice thread Phen. Don't hold your breath. TF your reply makes more sense amidst my continued cocktail hour tho my cynical sense suspects AG might have a point re them having to rewrite it, and if im not mistaken we're still what 2 states away from a con con (constitutional convention) could something like this come back to haunt us? gotta balance both sides of the argument here no? I agree in a balanced argument Phen. I guess it depends how literally you interpret the constitution. I'm one of those who believe in it word for word verbatim. I could post those powers but I'm sure you've already read them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 554626 United States 04/12/2009 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Problem... only Republicians have signed on..... it will go down in flames.... no dems will vote for it. Shadegg said the act would perform three important functions: Quoting: II-Neutron1. It would encourage members of Congress to consider whether their proposed legislation belongs in the federal level in the allocation of powers or whether it belongs with the states or the people. 2. It would force lawmakers to include statements explaining by what authority they are acting. 3. It would give the U.S. Supreme Court the ability to scrutinize constitutional justification for every piece of legislation. If the justification does not hold up, the courts and the people could hold Congress accountable and eliminate acts that reach beyond the scope of the Constitution. Yes! It is about bloody time. Thanks for posting OP! oI wonder will they allow this to go any farther, they had better. Wow finally some one (Shadegg) bringing the reality of the Republic (not a democracy!) back to the fore! |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree in a balanced argument Phen. I guess it depends how literally you interpret the constitution. I'm one of those who believe in it word for word verbatim. Quoting: twistedfuggerI could post those powers but I'm sure you've already read them. ahhhh i too believe in it word for word, i just do not hold faith in those who have the need to interpret it. i always say 'you cannot change, alter, manipulate or excuse the language or terminology used to what you perceive it to be nor to your benefit.' political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i mentioned earlier this mayve been introduced in 07, the bill has been proposed by congressman shadegg in every Congress since the 104th, and frequently draws many co-sponsors. Its never been passed. tho at the beginning of the 105th Congress, significant portions of the bill were adopted into House rules. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 581503 United States 04/12/2009 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are similiarly a number of initiatives occurring at the State level with respect to State sovereignty. [link to www.therightsideoflife.com] In fact, on Thursday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry threw his full support behind the 10th Amendment push. [link to www.therightsideoflife.com] the 19 co-sponsors are [link to thomas.loc.gov] political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |