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"IHS" Does Not Mean "Jesus"

 
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"IHS" Does Not Mean "Jesus"
The Satanic Roots Of The Roman Catholic Institution

Nimrod developed astrology, and laid the foundations for black and white witchcraft. Shem (Cush's great uncle, Noah's son, and a righteous man), appalled by his nephew's evil deeds, killed Nimrod. Before his death, Nimrod married and impregnated his mother Semiramis. After Nimrod was slain, Semiramis convinced the people of Babylon that Nimrod was a god (the sun god Baal), and that she was a goddess (the Queen of Heaven). Semiramis developed the Satanic religion of Baal worship, including confession (for blackmail and public fear), secret societies (prefiguring Masonry, Mormonism, Jesuits, and the Illuminati), and the idea that she, as the religious leader, was the only medium to God (prefiguring the Pope). Idols appeared featuring mother Semiramis and baby Nimrod (prefiguring the Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus); her symbol was the moon (Isis, Diana), and Nimrod's was the sun (Horus, Baal, Sol). Semiramis promoted baby sacrifices and celibacy for priests, foreshadowing Roman Catholicism. She invented death by crucifixion (crucifixes were originally occult symbols in Babylon and Egypt). Semiramis bore another child (by her son Nimrod, while claiming she was a virgin) named Tammuz, who she maintained was the reincarnation of Nimrod (Baal). This was the foundation of the virgin mother with child archetype that Satan used to corrupt many world religions.

In Egypt, Semiramis became Isis, and Nimrod became Horus (as a child) and Osiris as an adult (the pyramid eye of Freemasonry is the "eye of Osiris"). Sun worship dominated Egypt. Egyptian priests practiced "transubstantiation", claiming to be able to transfer the sun god Osiris into a circular wafer. In rituals prefiguring Catholic Mass, the faithful then ate the "body" of their god to nourish their souls. The letters IHS on the sun-shaped wafers stood for Isis, Horus, Seb (later, Roman Catholics claimed they were the first three letters of Jesus' name in Greek).


anno domini


After Christ's death and resurrection, Satan, using Gnostics in Alexandria, Egypt, corrupted the Biblical scriptures, playing down the deity of Jesus and adding the Apocrypha. As the Roman Empire was falling, Constantine claimed the throne. He was challenged by another Roman general, Maxentius. During a battle with Maxentius' army, Satan showed Constantine the sign of a cross in the sky (an Egyptian ankh) underneath the words, "In this sign conquer." Constantine "became a Christian", painted the ankh on his army's shields, and was victorious. Though he declared publicly that he and his soldiers were Christian, he still secretly worshipped Sol (Baal). Constantine then took over the Roman government and issued the Edict of Milan, a decree of tolerance for Christians, "baptized" his troops, and presided as the first Summus Pontifex (the official title of the Pope).

Many of the existing "Christian" churches he legitimized had been earlier infiltrated by spies under Nero, and had become corrupt. Over the years, these counterfeit churches, under Constantine's guide, eventually evolved into Roman Catholicism. Constantine ordered Eusebius, the Bishop of Caesarea, to have fifty Bibles assembled. Although true Christians had assembled the correct Word of God in Antioch, Syria, Eusebius chose the corrupted Alexandrian texts from Egypt, which had been altered by the Gnostic scholar Origen under Satan's guidance. These Bibles were the foundation of the Roman Catholic church. The Vatican later created the Latin Vulgate from the original fifty, and all other versions were outlawed.

Roman Catholicism transferred Baal worship into an already corrupted Christianity. The icon of the virgin mother and child with halos (representing the sun), Mary as the queen of heaven, confessionals, wafer worship, transubstantiation, and priests as exclusive mediators of God were all derived from the Satanic Babylonian religion. Roman Catholicism became a mixture of witchcraft, Judaism, paganism, and perverted Christianity. Witches thrived and were ordained by the Vatican. Meanwhile, true Christians spread the word that the Vatican was the Whore of Babylon (of the Book of Revelation). Rome was outraged, and staged the Holy Inquisition, torturing and murdering "heretics" to eliminate both Christians and Jews, and to fill the coffers of the church. Later, in response to the Vatican's oppressive dogma, Martin Luther, a former Augustinian monk, nailed his 95 theses to the wall of a church in Germany, heralding Protestantism. The Vatican is shaken as Protestantism spreads rapidly through Europe. In order to stamp out the spiritual rebellion, Pope Paul III ordered Ignatius de Loyola to found the Order of Jesuits, which would act as the intelligentsia and secret militia of the Vatican. Loyola had already founded the occult Illuminati, which he then placed under the umbrella of the Vatican. The secret Satanic organization later became the most important branch of the Jesuit order, controlling the world economy, international banking, military forces, witchcraft, and the world religions. Jesuits ("the militia of the popes") used witchcraft, meditation (trances), hypnosis, and speaking in tongues to infiltrate and destroy the Bible-believing Protestant church. To this day, the Superior General of the Jesuits, "the Black Pope", is the mysterious man behind the Pope; it is he who has the ultimate power in the Vatican. The Jesuits helped develop many cults: Freemasons, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, and many others, to serve the interests of the Vatican. They staged campaigns to rid Europe of Bible-believing Christians, first in France, then in England (by secretly trying to substitute the corrupted Alexandrian Bible for the English translation). The bait and switch plot failed, as King James successfully translated the Word of God (the Antioch manuscripts) into his English version-to this day the only uncorrupted text.

In the modern world, the Vatican (the Whore of Babylon) is responsible for: All Satanic Bible versions

Based on the corrupted Alexandrian Gnostic manuscripts. The King James Version is the only true "word of God".

Baal worship (Sun god religion of ancient Babylon) in the guise of Christianity


The communion wafer of Roman Catholic mass ("wafer god", "death cookie") is based on the Egyptian ritual of transubstantiation, in which the temple priests would magically transform the sun-shaped wafers into the "body" of Horus, and the worshippers would then "eat" their sun god (derived from Baal from Babylon). Today's Catholic wafers are imprinted with the letters IHS, which Chick maintains stands for Isis, Horus, Seb, the Egyptian gods. The crucifix was created by Semiramis, in honor of her son Tammuz, and is a symbol of death and the occult. "Behind the crucifix are strong demonic forces giving out tremendous power, as depicted in vampire movies". Mary worship, and the icon of the virgin with child is derived from the image of Semiramis (the "Queen of Heaven") and her baby Tammuz (Baal), by Nimrod. Chick traces this archetypal icon to most world religions, as evidence of Satan's covert religious influence. The Pope is identified by Chick as the Antichrist of Revelation; the Vatican as the Whore of Babylon.

Christmas

Babylonian ritual celebrating the "rebirth" of the sun god Baal (Tammuz) after the Winter Solstice.

Islam

Mohammed was a stooge selected and seduced by a female agent of the Vatican to create a new religion for the Arab world-under doctrinal guidance of Roman Catholicism "advisors"-which would conquer Jerusalem for the Pope. The plan failed, for when the Muslims did conquer Jerusalem, they had grown to such a great number that they felt themselves invincible. Muslims later invaded Europe, challenging the Vatican, and beginning the Crusades.

Illuminati

The Illuminati was created by super-evil Ignatius Loyola before founding the Order of Jesuits, which would later become the Vatican's CIA. The original goal of the Illuminati (a "Satanic organization") was "to control the minds of European leaders through hypnosis, witchcraft, and mind control". Loyola communed with demonic spirits for advice in setting up the organization, who "illuminated his mind", hence the name. Once Loyola became powerful in the Vatican hierarchy as the Jesuit General, the occult Illuminati became "the most important branch of the Jesuit order, eventually coming to control the world economy, international banking, military forces, all branches of witchcraft, and the religions of the world, putting humanity on its knees to serve the Pope."


U.S. Civil War & Assassination of President Lincoln

Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits for two reasons.
1) For defending, while still a lawyer, Charles Chiniquy, a renegade Canadian priest who had founded a community in Illinois. Chiniquy was the target of repeated Vatican attacks for breaking with the Church. Lincoln won the case.

2) For foiling the Confederacy in the Civil War, a Jesuit engineered, Vatican backed plot to destroy the U.S. After Lincoln won the Civil War, the Vatican exacted its revenge. Not surprisingly, John Wilkes Booth wore a medal of the Virgin Mary around his neck.

Ku Klux Klan

The KKK was created by Jesuits following their failure in the Civil War, in an effort to prejudice African Americans and liberal whites against Protestantism. They are, to put it mildly, a negative PR organization.

Freemasonry, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science

"These are some of the spiritual abominations spawned by the Jesuits. You can see the evidence of this in that these cults, as forms of Roman Catholicism, have the same basic underlying pattern in their doctrines, religious practices, and structure."

World War I

Before World War I, France signed a treaty with the Czar of Russia (a target of revenge for the Pope, because of his protection of the rival Eastern Orthodox church), infuriating the Vatican. Meanwhile, the Orthodox church was spreading throughout Europe. The Vatican backed Kaiser Wilhelm ("a good Roman Catholic") in his bid to expand Germany's borders, hoping that France and the Orthodox menace in the Balkans would be destroyed in the process. Many Roman Catholics from various countries were slaughtered in the war, yet the Vatican was unmoved. "Satan, working through the Vatican, had put millions into hell."

Communism & Russian Revolution

To understand why the Vatican created Communism, one must go back to the time of Constantine. Constantine, a false Christian and secret Sol (Baal) worshipper, created the Roman Catholic church. He was its first "pope", declaring tolerance for Christianity in Rome after centuries of persecution. He moved to Byzantium (Constantinople; Istanbul today), where he set up an eastern branch of the Catholic church. Later, a rift developed between Rome and Constantinople, and the city became the center of the Orthodox church, a hated rival of the Vatican in the Eastern Europe and beyond. The Eastern Orthodox church eventually came under the protection of the Czars of Russia, hence the Czar was always a target for revenge from the Vatican. In the early 1900's, the Vatican saw its chance to exact revenge on the Czar and exterminate the Orthodox church. Nicholas the 2nd's Russia was unstable, his court in turmoil. The Russian people were disgruntled. Planning their attack, the Jesuits coached Marx and Engels in writing The Communist Manifesto to spread dissent amongst the Russian working class. The Communist Party was bankrolled by the Illuminati in order to create another power loyal to the Vatican, once the Czar had been overthrown. The Jesuits masterminded the Russian Revolution, and secretly moved the Vatican's gold into Russia. When the fighting broke out, Jesuits sent Lenin into Russia in a sealed train filled with revolutionaries. Meanwhile, the Czar had already been captured by Jesuit agents and forced to abdicate. Lenin arrived, gained control of the Reds, while unbeknownst to him Jesuits acting as Communists tried the Czar and his family and slaughtered them. The hunt then began for the leaders of the Orthodox church; many were found and killed. When the troops arrived at the Orthodox patriarch's church, however, he welcomed them, saying that he had been hiding the Czar's gold for them. The Communists, cowed by the gold, which included the Vatican's gold, spared the patriarch and ceased the extermination of Orthodox leaders. The pope was outraged and vowed revenge on the turncoat Communists, and the remnants of the Orthodox church. The crafty Jesuits began to plan World War II to this end.

Nazis & World War II

Just before World War II, Germany was suffering a great depression. In order to exterminate the Jews (the Vatican's rivals for possession of the Holy Land), and get revenge on the Russians for the Communist debacle, Jesuits arranged for pro-Catholic Jews to buy up land from the ruined Germans, stirring up anti-Jewish resentment. Meanwhile, Communist movements were springing up in Italy, so the Vatican put Mussolini in power, under the guidance of Jesuits. Mussolini declared Roman Catholicism the official religion of Italy, and restored the Pope's temporal (political) power over the nation. Back in Germany, Jesuits moved to destroy the Weimar Republic because it was democratic ("two things the Vatican despises are Protestantism and Democracy"). A Jesuit priest named Staempfle wrote Mein Kampf for Adolph Hitler, whom the Jesuits were grooming for power. The book was "the master plan of the Jesuits for Hitler's takeover of Germany". Hitler's brown shirts rose to power, and the Vatican backed him, giving him the Masonic swastika as a national symbol. Hitler and many of his top aides, including Goebbels and Himmler, were Roman Catholic. Rome signed a concordat with Hitler in 1933, officially recognizing Nazi Germany. To complete the Fascist Catholic triumvirate, the Vatican put Franco in control of Spain, squashing Communist uprisings in the process. In Germany, Roman Catholic Germans infiltrated Protestant churches, spreading anti-Jewish sentiment, in order to insure that the Jews would blame Protestants, not Catholics, for the coming Holocaust. Jesuits hid over 1000 Jews in the catacombs of the Vatican to cover their asses in case Hitler lost the war. World War II raged throughout Europe, and the Holocaust began. Hitler publicly compared SS chief Himmler to Ignatius Loyola, explicitly connecting the Holocaust to the Inquisition. Many Roman Catholic priests wore the black uniforms of the SS and tortured and murdered Jews; a new Inquisition was underway. Fortunately, the Jesuit-engineered plot failed, as Germany surrendered under Allied pressure, and Hitler committed suicide. Cleverly, though, the Vatican had backed itself up, causing the world to believe that the church had nothing to do with the war, and that the Holocaust never happened. During the war, Jesuits made sure Roman Catholics were persecuted alongside Jews, and Roman Catholic Germans hid some Jews in their homes for later counter-PR. To this day, the Vatican has never apologized for backing the Nazis.

Ecumenical Movement & New Age spirituality

The Ecumenical movement (a Vatican II creation to recognize, and eventually subsume, all world religions) and the New Age movement are precursors of Satan's One World Religion, controlled by the Pope (the Antichrist) in preparation for the One World Government of the Beast, as prophesied in the Book of Revelation.

Jonestown Massacre

Jim Jones was "a powerful warlock and a well-trained Jesuit". The Jonestown Massacre was a Jesuit-engineered media event, intended to brand all fundamentalists as murderous fanatics. Despite his Jesuit background, the media portrayed Jones as a crazy Bible-believing fundamentalist, hence casting aspersions on true Christians everywhere.

The Pope, is, of course, an Antichrist, while the religious machinery of the Vatican itself is the Whore of Babylon (as it derives its rituals and symbolism from the Babylonian religion of the seductive Semiramis). The Beast is the political structure of the so called "Holy Roman Empire of the Vatican, which will eventually amalgamate into a One World Religion and Government.

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The letters IHS were the sacred monogram of the Greek god Bacchus. The Christians adopted them and made them the root of the name Jesus. The IHS when Latinized became IES, and adding the Latin masculine suffix -US, that is IES plus US, became IESUS. When anglicized, the 'I' became 'J' thus giving Jesus" (John G. Jackson, Christianity before Christ, p. 166)


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Alexander Hislop's reasoning why protestants are good and catholics are bad? A bit dated, and a few too many assumptions for my taste, but hey, whatever helps you hate other Christians.

The only thing that's worth tossing in here is that 'Baal' isn't some random demonic name...it's a common semitic word for husband (and similar variations, like landowner, etc., depending on the location). Baal was just one of many husband and wife god and goddesses, and is more properly a generalization than a single, specific god that was worshiped by "heathens".
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It means Ironically Hot Sluts.
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Mother child worship (mithraism), that is also sun worship, goes all the way back to Babylon.

Jesus has the trininty within (Father,Son,Holy Ghost), no mother worship.

IHS, stood for Isis Horus Seb that formed the mithraic sun religion.

[link to www.aloha.net]

The Vatican merely contrived the "Iesus Hominum Salvator" to justify their claim, just as they did with Christmas, Easter and so on.

"IHS" predates Jesus.
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Yes it does. But thank you for the big long boring thing that I scrolled past!
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Mother child worship (mithraism), that is also sun worship, goes all the way back to Babylon.

Jesus has the trininty within (Father,Son,Holy Ghost), no mother worship.

IHS, stood for Isis Horus Seb that formed the mithraic sun religion.

[link to www.aloha.net]

The Vatican merely contrived the "Iesus Hominum Salvator" to justify their claim, just as they did with Christmas, Easter and so on.

"IHS" predates Jesus.
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There was no Mother child worship in the Mithric religion...NONE If you disagree show us an example?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Yes it does. But thank you for the big long boring thing that I scrolled past!
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There was no Mother child worship in the Mithric religion...NONE If you disagree show us an example?
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Mithraism incorporated previous sun religions of Isis Horus Seb that had mother son.

[link to aramis.obspm.fr]

The mother was never a virgin as some claim, neither was the mother or son the creator.


Many examples are in this film.


From Babylon to the Roman Catholic Church: 666 and The Mark
with James Arrabito
2 hrs video
[link to www.archive.org]
Comparison of symbols used in ancient paganism and current Christianity. Over 900 photographs from museums and cathedrals around the world. History of the religion of the Roman Empire from Babylon to present. Reveals who the "Beast" of the Apocalypse is.



Not saying there wasn't mother/son worship in Mithraism also. Obviously there was as it folded into Catholicism.
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Yes it does. But thank you for the big long boring thing that I scrolled past!
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Same here!
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There was no mother/son worship in Mithraism.
[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]
Mithraism did fold over sun worship from previous beliefs including sunday and christmas solstices. this minus the mother/son as found in earlier beliefs Isis Horus Seb.
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I cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could believe that crap. This is more of Jack Chick's insane ramblings. If you really want to know about the Catholic Church and what they believe try asking a Catholic or do some research into what the early church fathers believed. Try Justin Martyr or Augustine for starters. If you want to follow some whacked out paranoid conspiracy theorist who showed up 2000 years after the fact and thinks he's got it figured out better than anyone else go ahead. Fool. But before you do here's some info you may want on Jack Chick and his psychotic,hateful chick tracts.....

Who Is Jack T. Chick?



Jack Thomas Chick is a recluse. Little is known about him. He does not give interviews. Only two out-of-date pictures of him are publicly known (one is a high school yearbook photo). Rumors about him abound, making it difficult to sort fact from fiction concerning his life. He was born April 13, 1924, in the Boyle Heights neighborhood of Los Angeles,[14] and he was not always a Fundamentalist. According to the biography posted on his web site:

While in high school, none of the Christians would have anything to do with him because of his bad language. They all agreed not to witness to him, convinced that he was the last guy on earth who would ever accept Jesus Christ.

After graduation from high school, Jack won a scholarship to the Pasadena Playhouse to study acting, but his studies were interrupted by the military. He spent the next three years in the Army, which took him to foreign countries like New Guinea, Australia, the Philippines and Japan.

After being discharged from the service, Jack returned to the Playhouse, where he met and married his wife, Lynn, who was instrumental in his salvation. While visiting Lynn’s parents in Canada on their honeymoon, Jack’s mother-in-law insisted that he sit and listen to Charles E. Fuller’s Old Fashioned Revival Hour radio program. Jack recalls, "God was already working on my heart, but when Fuller said the words, ‘Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow,’ I fell on my knees and my life was changed forever."[15]

The scene of falling on one’s knees to accept Jesus is one repeated over and over again by characters in Chick tracts. But how did Jack Chick make the leap from being an ordinary Fundamentalist to the foremost Christian comic publisher in the world? For a time, he worked as a technical illustrator for an aerospace company in California, but he longed to be work for God:

He wanted to be a missionary himself, but his new wife wanted no part of missionary life. Her aunt had been a missionary in Africa. While pregnant, she was being carried across a river on a stretcher, when one of those carrying her lost a leg to an alligator.[16]

Eventually, Jack started combining his work as an illustrator with his passion for evangelization, producing his first published religious works, Why No Revival? and A Demon’s Nightmare. He became convinced of the effectiveness of this technique after using it with a group of prisoners:

[Chick] was invited to present the gospel to a group of inmates at a prison near his home. He drew several pieces of cartoon art and prepared a flip chart to illustrate what he was saying. At the conclusion of his message, nine of the eleven inmates present trusted Christ as their Saviour. Jack became convinced that God had given him a method of reaching people with the gospel that worked. That art was later put into booklet form and became the tract This Was Your Life![17]

Following this episode, Chick Publications became a full-time venture for Jack, and, in the more than forty years since it was started, his tracts, comic books, and other publications have reached hundreds of millions of people, spreading their message of simple Fundamentalist theology fused with elaborate conspiracy theories.

In time, the art in the tracts received an upgrade—not because Chick changed his own style of drawing but because he hired an artist with much better skills. Yet he did not announce this fact and did not put the new artist’s name on the works he produced. Instead, they continued to carry the credit "by Jack T. Chick" or simply "by J.T.C." The difference between the two drawing styles was so dramatic that it was immediately noticed by readers, and rumors circulated about who the "good artist" might be. It would be some time before Chick disclosed that the man’s name was Fred Carter.

In 1972, he hired Fred Carter, an African-American painter and illustrator from Danville, Illinois, who had studied at Chicago’s American Academy of Art. Carter’s realistic illustrations and distinctive inking style made him a perfect fit for the [Crusaders comic book] series’ action sequences and exotic locales. Witch burnings and ritual murders are captured in gleefully visceral detail, while the books’ sexual overtones—as well as scantily clad biblical sirens like Eve, Delilah, and Semiramis—have led critics to describe Carter’s work as "spiritual porn."

At once, the artwork improved tenfold. Chick, however, kept Carter’s name off all of the comics. Rumors and speculation about the identity of the so-called good artist at Chick Publications began to spread. For years fans theorized that Carter’s work was produced by a team of illustrators or an unknown Filipino man dubbed "Artist J." Chick finally revealed Carter’s identity in 1980, claiming that the artist is "rather shy and declines to put his name on his art."[18]




Through the years Chick also became associated with others who had an impact on his publications. The conspiracy angle in his works jumped significantly through his involvement with two men in particular.

One was John Todd, an evangelist who claimed to have been raised in a "witchcraft family" and supposedly was part of a gigantic conspiracy of witches called "the Illuminati."[19] According to Todd, numerous political and religious figures were part of the conspiracy. He claimed that as a "Grand Druid High Priest" he was given a thirteen-state territory and that "over 90 percent of politicians in that thirteen-state area received financial support from him and took orders regarding political decisions from him."[20] The religious figures allegedly part of the witch conspiracy included Jim Bakker, Billy Graham, Walter Martin, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson. Also involved were C. S. Lewis, Pat and Debbie Boone, and a number of Protestant denominations, "from Assemblies of God to the Southern Baptists."[21]

One way the Illuminati spread their occult tendrils through society was through rock music. Songs in this genre often "contained coded spells or incantations that the listener wasn’t aware of."[22] Based on Todd’s claims, Chick issued a number of publications, including the large-format comic book Spellbound? (against rock music) and the tract Dark Dungeons (against fantasy role-playing games).

Todd was exposed as a fraud in publications such as Christianity Today[23] and Cornerstone. He later was convicted and sent to prison for rape. Nevertheless, Chick is still publishing materials repeating his claims and thanking him openly for providing the information.[24]






Who Was Alberto Rivera?



Aside from Jack Chick’s own name, the name most familiar to readers of Chick comics is that of Alberto Rivera (1935–1997). He is mentioned in numerous tracts and serves as the central character in six issues of Chick’s The Crusaders full-size comic book. Chick even devotes space to him in the handful of books the house publishes.

Alberto Magno Romero Rivera was born in 1937 in the Canary Islands. He claimed to have been a priest who served as an undercover operative of the Jesuit order to infiltrate and destroy Protestant churches and institutions. He maintained that he was so successful that he secretly was made a bishop. Yet he turned his life over to Christ and became a Fundamentalist evangelist. He claimed to have rescued his sister—a nun—after she nearly died in a convent in London.

In the 1970s he met Jack Chick, who publicized his story with much fanfare. It added immense amounts of detail (and implausibility) to Chick’s global Catholic conspiracy theory. The Alberto series included some of the wildest claims found in Chick’s publications—that the Vatican started Islam, Communism, the Masons, and the Klan; that it controls the Illuminati, the Mafia, and the New Age movement; that it created the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, and is databasing the name of every Protestant church member for a future inquisition.




The Alberto series started a controversy that resulted in Chick being unable to sell the comic books in many Protestant bookstores. Following a complaint from the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, the Christian Booksellers Association began considering whether to expel Chick.[25] Soon afterward, Chick withdrew from the CBA.

The protest against the Chick Alberto series was waged by both Catholics and Evangelicals. Many Catholics, naturally, protested the lurid and inaccurate depiction of their faith, and many Protestant bookstore owners who saw their point removed the series from their stores.

In response, Chick published My Name? . . . In the Vatican? in which he repeated many of Rivera’s sensationalistic claims and gave grudging acknowledgement to the ability of Catholics to get his works taken out of Evangelical bookstores.

While it is natural to expect Catholics to be upset over Chick and Rivera’s outrageous claims, many Evangelicals were upset as well, and they began to investigate Rivera. Prominent Protestant publications, including Christianity Today, Cornerstone, and even Forward—a publication of Walter Martin’s Christian Research Institute—did investigations leading to exposés of Rivera as a fraud.


Christianity Today’s story by researcher Gary Metz revealed that:

He is being sued in a Los Angeles court at the present time [1981] by a man who said that Rivera, on behalf of the Hispanic Baptist Church, which he started, borrowed $2,025 with which to invest in property, but never purchased the land. When the man asked for his money back, he received a receipt acknowledging his "contribution" of $2,025.[26]

The Christianity Today investigation further reported:

In October 1967, Rivera went to work at the Church of God of Prophecy headquarters in Tennessee and began collecting money for a college in Tarrassa, Spain. When the Church of God of Prophecy wrote the college to ask if Rivera was authorized to receive donations for the college, it received a reply stating the college had given him a letter to collect funds only during the month of July. The college later discovered that while "he claimed to be a Catholic priest . . . he had never been one." The college reported that he left debts he had acquired in the name of the parish of San Lorenzo and that Spanish police were seeking him for "authentic swindles and cheats." Finally, they said that no funds had ever reached the college from Rivera. In a letter to the U.S. Department of Justice, Charles Hawkins of the Church of God of Prophecy said Rivera’s bank had contacted them because he had written a check on a closed account.

In 1969 two arrest warrants were issued for him in Florida. One was for the theft of a BankAmericard: The criminal division of the Bank of America reports that he charged over two thousand dollars on the credit card. The second warrant was issued for unauthorized use of an automobile. Rivera abandoned the vehicle in Seattle and went from there to southern California, where he started a number of organizations.[27]

Concerning Rivera’s alleged liberation of his sister from a convent, Christianity Today reported:

The sequel [to the Alberto comic], Double-Cross, devotes its first nine pages to a description of how Alberto flew to London and contacted an Anabaptist church, whose people helped him rescue his dying sister Maria from her convent. Actually, the person he contacted was not an Anabaptist but Delmar Spurling of the Church of God of Prophecy. Spurling said in an interview that Rivera did not rescue his sister, because she wasn’t a nun but rather a maid working in a private London home.[28]

Concerning Rivera’s claim that he had been a priest, Christianity Today noted:

The Catholic Church denies Rivera’s most important claim, that he was a priest. To substantiate the claim, the Alberto comic book carries a picture of an official-looking document from the Archbishopric of Madrid-Alcala in Spain, dated September 1967. It identifies Rivera as a priest and gives him permission to travel abroad in his ministry. There is no other church documentation, such as an ordination certificate, shown in the book. An individual in California, who grew suspicious of Rivera in 1973, wrote to the archdiocese office in Madrid-Alcala to ask if Rivera were really a priest. The response was that no diocese in Spain had any record of Rivera as a priest. The archbishop’s office concluded that he was not a priest, and that the travel document, which was little more than a form letter, was "acquired by deceit and subterfuge" to enable Rivera to get a passport.[29]

Christianity Today further discovered that "that not only was Rivera not a Jesuit priest, but also that he had two children during the time he claimed to be living a celibate life as a Jesuit." It explained:

Although Rivera claims to have been raised and trained in a Spanish Jesuit seminary, his hometown friend, Bonilla, said Rivera was living at one point with a woman in Costa Rica named Carmen Lydia Torres. (Alberto says Rivera was sent to Costa Rica to destroy a [Protestant] seminary and that a woman named Carmen was with him, posing as his girlfriend. The seminary was not named.)

Rivera later stated on an employment form that he and Torres were married in 1963. Their son, Juan, was born in Hoboken, New Jersey, in 1964, while Rivera was forking for the Christian Reformed Church there. Juan died in El Paso in July 1965, after his parents had fled New Jersey leaving numerous debts and a warrant for their arrest on bad check charges. The couple had two other children, Alberto and Luis Marx. The first two children were born during the time Alberto claimed to be a Jesuit priest in Spain.[30]

Concerning Rivera’s claim to have been made a bishop, Metz reported in Cornerstone that:

Alberto now claims that he was once a Jesuit bishop. None of his former associates remember this being part of his testimony until early 1973. Former associate Rev. Wishart (once a pastor of the First Baptist Church of San Fernando), who questioned Alberto about this, reported that Alberto admitted that he had never been ordained a bishop but used the title for prestige. He continues to call himself the bishop of his own church, the Hispanic Baptist Church (Oxnard, California).[31]

In Alberto, Rivera claimed that his conversion to Protestantism happened while he was being detained in a sanitarium following a public break with the Church. Yet Christianity Today’s piece noted that:

His later accounts of his conversion are contradictory. While speaking at the Faith Baptist Church in Canoga Park, California, Rivera pinpointed his conversion as March 20, 1967, after three months in the sanitarium, and he said he immediately defected from the Catholic Church. Five months later, however, he gave a newspaper interview in his home town of Las Palmas [in the Canary Islands], in which he was still promoting Catholicism. He said in the interview that he was doing ecumenical work for the Catholic Church in Tarrassa, Spain, during the previous six months, from February to August 1967. According to Alberto, he was in the sanitarium at the time.

Rivera, who now [1981] lives in California, was asked for an interview to discuss the discrepancies in his tale, but he posed so many restrictions before he would agree that a legitimate interview was not possible. He did say that any wrongdoings prior to his conversion to Christ in 1967 were done under the orders of the Catholic Church and that any wrongdoings since his conversions are fabrications by conspirators.

Of course, if Rivera had been a secret Jesuit agent bent on conspiratorial acts, such deception and subterfuge might well have been part of his mission. Yet his fantastic tale lacks credibility. The numerous legal entanglements suggest that he was a simple con man. There are the contradictory accounts of his conversion, his admission that he was married, and the fact that he was the father of two children during his alleged time as a Jesuit priest. And then there is what was uncovered by the Christian Research Institute in its investigation of Alberto:

Bartholomew F. Brewer, a former Catholic priest who is now director of Mission to Catholics International in San Diego [a man long known to Catholic Answers supporters for his anti-Catholic activities and an authentic ex-priest] . . . related to us that several years ago Rivera wanted to work in conjunction with Mission to Catholics. Dr. Brewer did interview Rivera and decided not to use him in his ministry. Over a period of time, however, Dr. Brewer got to know Rivera better and he eventually concluded that Rivera was not only unfamiliar with Catholic theology, by obviously had never been a Catholic priest, let alone a bishop.

In examining the two Chick comics, one finds that statements are made that would seem to substantiate Dr. Brewer’s views. Rivera is apparently unfamiliar with Catholic doctrine, church history, and other factual information.

For example, in Alberto, Rivera seems to imply that celibacy is a sacrament. Also, he states that students studying for the priesthood were not allowed to read the Bible. He also claims that, in Catholic doctrine, Mary is co-equal with God the Father. These are all misrepresentations of the truth.

Rivera further calls his reliability into question by stating that the masterminds behind the Inquisition were Jesuits. This is an impossibility, since the Inquisition began around a.d. 1200, and the Jesuits were not established until the 1540s.[32]

CRI also discovered Rivera inaccurately quoting sources:

Rivera’s believability becomes still more questionable in Double-Cross, when he claims that [suicide cult leader] Jim Jones was secretly a Jesuit deacon and an agent for the Vatican. He says that the Jonestown massacre was part of the Roman Catholic Church’s "diabolical conspiracy." For support of this contention, he refers to Dr. Peter Beter’s Audio Letter #40, November 1978 (Beter is a self-proclaimed "conspiracy" expert). But, on listening to the tape, one discovers that Dr. Beter believes that Jones was a manipulated dupe of the CIA! Thus, the authority Rivera cites for supportive evidence is opposed to his view.[33]

Rivera’s response to this investigation was to call CRI "a ‘tool’ of the Jesuits and its director [Walter Martin, at the time] an ‘agent’ of Rome."[34] He subsequently claimed that Martin "was working with the Vatican and stated that his name was on a secret Jesuit list."[35] CRI further reported:

After our initial research gave us reason to question the comic’s reliability, we attempted to contact both Alberto Rivera and Chick Publications’ founder Jack Chick. With no success in contacting Rivera by mail, two certified letters were sent to Chick Publications. In them, we conveyed our concern over some apparent discrepancies in Rivera’s story and asked for answers. When no reply was made to our letters, follow-up phone calls revealed that Jack Chick would make no reply whatsoever. He said that he was not answerable to any man and that the comic books could stand on their own.[36]

Alberto Rivera went on to found the "Antichrist Information Center" or AIC (which later explained its initials as meaning "Assurance in Christ"[37]). He died in 1997 of colon cancer, and his ministry was carried on by his widow, Nuzy Rivera.

The impact of Alberto Rivera on Jack Chick’s universe is difficult to underestimate. It was Rivera that provided Chick with his most sensationalistic, most anti-Catholic claims and allowed Chick’s conspiracy theories to grow increasingly complex and bizarre.



Sorry long post and a lot of info but if you're going to spew Jack's vile you should at least be aware where it has come from. Now you know the truth. Choose.
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I cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could believe that crap. This is more of Jack Chick's insane ramblings. If you really want to know about the Catholic Church and what they believe try asking a Catholic or do some research into what the early church fathers believed. Try Justin Martyr or Augustine for starters. If you want to follow some whacked out paranoid conspiracy theorist who showed up 2000 years after the fact and thinks he's got it figured out better than anyone else go ahead. Fool. But before you do here's some info you may want on Jack Chick and his psychotic,hateful chick tracts.....
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Jack Chick is right with regards to what was in the OP.

It is not 'psychotic', and only hatefull if that's what you call the truth.



Who Was Alberto Rivera?



Aside from Jack Chick’s own name, the name most familiar to readers of Chick comics is that of Alberto Rivera (1935–1997). He is mentioned in numerous tracts and serves as the central character in six issues of Chick’s The Crusaders full-size comic book. Chick even devotes space to him in the handful of books the house publishes.


Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
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The evolution of the Queen of Heaven as found in Roman Catholicism comes from Isis Horus Seb and Babylon


Queen of All
Queen of Rome, Queen of Islam, Queen of All:

The Marian Apparitions plan to unite all religions Under the Roman Catholic Church
Mary...Millions of Catholics travel to shrines to pray before her image. But what is not commonly known is that Muslims also hold her in high regard, and even among Hindus and Buddhists there is worship of goddesses that bear a striking resemblance to the Catholic Mary.
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I cannot understand how anyone in their right mind could believe that crap. This is more of Jack Chick's insane ramblings. If you really want to know about the Catholic Church and what they believe try asking a Catholic or do some research into what the early church fathers believed. Try Justin Martyr or Augustine for starters. If you want to follow some whacked out paranoid conspiracy theorist who showed up 2000 years after the fact and thinks he's got it figured out better than anyone else go ahead. Fool. But before you do here's some info you may want on Jack Chick and his psychotic,hateful chick tracts.....


Jack Chick is right with regards to what was in the OP.

It is not 'psychotic', and only hatefull if that's what you call the truth.



Who Was Alberto Rivera?



Aside from Jack Chick’s own name, the name most familiar to readers of Chick comics is that of Alberto Rivera (1935–1997). He is mentioned in numerous tracts and serves as the central character in six issues of Chick’s The Crusaders full-size comic book. Chick even devotes space to him in the handful of books the house publishes.


Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
[link to www.reformation.org]
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Alberto Rivero was no Jesuit....read info above. For someone named truther you have no interest in the truth!!!
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Chick makes the usual charges against the Eucharist. He doesn’t like the Real Presence and the sacrifice of the Mass in particular. He even says that the Mass is not mentioned in Scripture, despite the fact that the very first Mass occurred during the Last Supper (cf. Luke 22:19–20). The charges he makes have been answered many times.

What is distinctive about his approach is the attempt he makes to link the Eucharist with paganism. He claims: "On the altars of Egypt were sun-shaped wafers made of unleavened bread. These wafers were consecrated by the Egyptian priests and supposedly they magically became the flesh of the sun god, Osiris."[52]

Although Osiris was an Egyptian god, he wasn’t the sun god. That was Ra (in some cases identified with Horus). Osiris was the grain god and the god of the dead. There were grain cakes (little and not so little) connected with the worship of Osiris, but, since he wasn’t the sun god, they were not shaped like the sun. They were shaped like a man since Osiris was pictured as a man. The use of these grain men was connected with Osiris’s annual cycle as the god of grain. Every year, the Egyptians made cakes shaped like Osiris out of grain as an offering asking the grain god to reappear and make the land fruitful again. According to Egyptian wall art, priests even watered the cakes to get the grain in them to sprout and send up shoots. These Osiris cakes weren’t anything like communion wafers.[53]



From Man in Black

Another of Chick’s attempts to link the Eucharist with paganism is found in his frequent depictions of the host imprinted with the letters IHS. He tells the reader that this stands for a trio of Egyptian gods (who were not a trinity, incidentally). Chick’s claim is nonsense. The letters aren’t English at all, but Greek. In fact, they are the first three letters of Jesus’ name in Greek: iota-eta-sigma (capital eta in Greek looks like the English H). This has been a common abbreviation for Jesus throughout Church history.

Though you wouldn’t know it from Chick, few Catholics have ever seen a host imprinted with these letters. Most hosts either have nothing on them or a cross design. What design, if any, is imprinted on a host is up to the maker. There is no Church regulation on this, and few makers have used the IHS design. Yet Chick would lead one to believe that it is omnipresent in Catholic churches.
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Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
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Alberto Rivero was no Jesuit....read info above. For someone named truther you have no interest in the truth!!!
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Did he fake his id badge? It is at the link reformation.org CLICK IT!

Alberto left Catholicism in 1967. He disowned them!
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Queen of All
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The Marian Apparitions plan to unite all religions Under the Roman Catholic Church
Mary...Millions of Catholics travel to shrines to pray before her image. But what is not commonly known is that Muslims also hold her in high regard, and even among Hindus and Buddhists there is worship of goddesses that bear a striking resemblance to the Catholic Mary.
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What is distinctive about Chick’s approach is his is claim that "the ‘Mother of God’ that Catholics worship is not the Mary of the Bible. Satan has tricked them into worshiping a counterfeit goddess."[68] The basis for this claim is a story he borrowed from Alexander Hislop, according to which there was a queen in ancient Babylon named Semiramis. She married her son, Nimrod. After his death, she claimed to have had a virgin birth of another son, Tammuz, who was Nimrod reincarnated. This pair of Semiramis and Tammuz was often depicted in artwork as a mother and child. They form the basis of all of the mother-child statues in the different religions of the world, and when Catholics worship Mary and the Baby Jesus, they are actually worshiping Semiramis and Tammuz.

What is one to make of this? Setting aside the fact that Catholics do not worship Mary, it is still complete nonsense. Hislop’s wild ideas cannot be substantiated historically.[69] We have mother and child images from cultures that predate Babylon. Further, if you want to depict a famous mother, a good way of doing it is by picturing her holding her child. Thus before literacy became widespread Christians often would picture Mary holding the Baby Jesus, and it became an established image in Christian art.
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Chick makes the usual charges against the Eucharist. He doesn’t like the Real Presence and the sacrifice of the Mass in particular. He even says that the Mass is not mentioned in Scripture, despite the fact that the very first Mass occurred during the Last Supper (cf. Luke 22:19–20). The charges he makes have been answered many times.

What is distinctive about his approach is the attempt he makes to link the Eucharist with paganism. He claims: "On the altars of Egypt were sun-shaped wafers made of unleavened bread. These wafers were consecrated by the Egyptian priests and supposedly they magically became the flesh of the sun god, Osiris."[52]

Although Osiris was an Egyptian god, he wasn’t the sun god. That was Ra (in some cases identified with Horus). Osiris was the grain god and the god of the dead. There were grain cakes (little and not so little) connected with the worship of Osiris, but, since he wasn’t the sun god, they were not shaped like the sun. They were shaped like a man since Osiris was pictured as a man. The use of these grain men was connected with Osiris’s annual cycle as the god of grain. Every year, the Egyptians made cakes shaped like Osiris out of grain as an offering asking the grain god to reappear and make the land fruitful again. According to Egyptian wall art, priests even watered the cakes to get the grain in them to sprout and send up shoots. These Osiris cakes weren’t anything like communion wafers.[53]



From Man in Black

Another of Chick’s attempts to link the Eucharist with paganism is found in his frequent depictions of the host imprinted with the letters IHS. He tells the reader that this stands for a trio of Egyptian gods (who were not a trinity, incidentally). Chick’s claim is nonsense. The letters aren’t English at all, but Greek. In fact, they are the first three letters of Jesus’ name in Greek: iota-eta-sigma (capital eta in Greek looks like the English H). This has been a common abbreviation for Jesus throughout Church history.
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It's all a big coincidence the Jesuits use an emblazoned SUN with IHS on it?

Wake up from your slumber fool!!

And the solar wheel at the Vatican? Pagan gods Jupiter? Obelisk in the court?
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Chick makes the usual charges against the Eucharist. He doesn’t like the Real Presence and the sacrifice of the Mass in particular. He even says that the Mass is not mentioned in Scripture, despite the fact that the very first Mass occurred during the Last Supper (cf. Luke 22:19–20). The charges he makes have been answered many times.

What is distinctive about his approach is the attempt he makes to link the Eucharist with paganism. He claims: "On the altars of Egypt were sun-shaped wafers made of unleavened bread. These wafers were consecrated by the Egyptian priests and supposedly they magically became the flesh of the sun god, Osiris."[52]

Although Osiris was an Egyptian god, he wasn’t the sun god. That was Ra (in some cases identified with Horus). Osiris was the grain god and the god of the dead. There were grain cakes (little and not so little) connected with the worship of Osiris, but, since he wasn’t the sun god, they were not shaped like the sun. They were shaped like a man since Osiris was pictured as a man. The use of these grain men was connected with Osiris’s annual cycle as the god of grain. Every year, the Egyptians made cakes shaped like Osiris out of grain as an offering asking the grain god to reappear and make the land fruitful again. According to Egyptian wall art, priests even watered the cakes to get the grain in them to sprout and send up shoots. These Osiris cakes weren’t anything like communion wafers.[53]



From Man in Black

Another of Chick’s attempts to link the Eucharist with paganism is found in his frequent depictions of the host imprinted with the letters IHS. He tells the reader that this stands for a trio of Egyptian gods (who were not a trinity, incidentally). Chick’s claim is nonsense. The letters aren’t English at all, but Greek. In fact, they are the first three letters of Jesus’ name in Greek: iota-eta-sigma (capital eta in Greek looks like the English H). This has been a common abbreviation for Jesus throughout Church history.



It's all a big coincidence the Jesuits use an emblazoned SUN with IHS on it?

Wake up from your slumber fool!!

And the solar wheel at the Vatican? Pagan gods Jupiter? Obelisk in the court?
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It's true!!! The insane do not know they are insane....

research my friend....use your mind....I'm giving your truth!!!!


One of the major themes of Chick tracts is the attempt to portray Catholicism as a form of paganism. According to Chick’s mythology, ancient Babylonian paganism spread all over the world, with deities taking new names in different cultures but remaining fundamentally the same. He holds Catholicism to be one of its expressions and devotes many pages to showing that the Catholic Mary is actually the ancient Babylonian queen Semiramis and that the Eucharist is based on the worship of ancient sun gods.

Unfortunately, Chick gets his mythology all wrong. For example, he claims that "in ancient Babylon, they worshiped the sun god, ‘Baal.’ Then this religion moved into Egypt using different names."[72] In reality, ancient Babylonians worshiped the sun god Shamash. Baal was neither a Babylonian deity nor the sun god. In fact, he was the Canaanite storm god. Chick could not have had his ideas more muddled.

The source Chick depends on for his mythological ideas is The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop, an eccentric nineteenth-century Anglican clergyman. Chick essentially recycles Hislop’s central thesis of Catholicism being a revival of Babylonian paganism. This allows him to identify the Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon.

Yet the book lacks credibility. Hislop was writing when anthropology and archaeology were in their infancy, and the idea that all world religions spring from a common source (especially one in Babylon) has been completely disproven. We have knowledge of multiple mythologies from all over the world that are unrelated to Babylonian paganism. Fundamental differences between them are easy to illustrate. For example, Indo-European paganism (to which Babylonian mythology is related) typically has the sky deity being male and the earth deity as female. But in Egyptian mythology this is reversed: The sky deity is female and the earth deity is male.

The most thorough refutation of The Two Babylons was written by one of its chief twentieth-century popularizers. As a young man, Ralph Woodrow wrote a book called Babylon Mystery Religion, which introduced many to Hislop’s ideas. It was very popular in Fundamentalist circles. Yet with time Woodrow realized that Hislop’s claims and logic were deeply flawed, and he wrote a new book—The Babylon Connection?—to refute them.
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Queen of All
Queen of Rome, Queen of Islam, Queen of All:

The Marian Apparitions plan to unite all religions Under the Roman Catholic Church
Mary...Millions of Catholics travel to shrines to pray before her image. But what is not commonly known is that Muslims also hold her in high regard, and even among Hindus and Buddhists there is worship of goddesses that bear a striking resemblance to the Catholic Mary.
[link to www.biblebelievers.com]
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What is distinctive about Chick’s approach is his is claim that "the ‘Mother of God’ that Catholics worship is not the Mary of the Bible. Satan has tricked them into worshiping a counterfeit goddess."[68] The basis for this claim is a story he borrowed from Alexander Hislop, according to which there was a queen in ancient Babylon named Semiramis. She married her son, Nimrod. After his death, she claimed to have had a virgin birth of another son, Tammuz, who was Nimrod reincarnated. This pair of Semiramis and Tammuz was often depicted in artwork as a mother and child. They form the basis of all of the mother-child statues in the different religions of the world, and when Catholics worship Mary and the Baby Jesus, they are actually worshiping Semiramis and Tammuz.

What is one to make of this? Setting aside the fact that Catholics do not worship Mary, it is still complete nonsense. Hislop’s wild ideas cannot be substantiated historically.[69] We have mother and child images from cultures that predate Babylon. Further, if you want to depict a famous mother, a good way of doing it is by picturing her holding her child. Thus before literacy became widespread Christians often would picture Mary holding the Baby Jesus, and it became an established image in Christian art.
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Catholics not only worship Mary with prayers they also ask all their priest to forgive their sin, thus: "forgive me father for i have sinned."

The definition of blastphemy is just that, claimingto forgive sins that only God can do. We are to pray to God in the name of Jesus only.

Catholics have many gods.

1st Commandment; Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

See if you can read that without a priest telling you what it says!!
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It's all a big coincidence the Jesuits use an emblazoned SUN with IHS on it?

Wake up from your slumber fool!!

And the solar wheel at the Vatican? Pagan gods Jupiter? Obelisk in the court?
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What kind of non-answer is that!
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The Satanic Roots Of The Roman Catholic Institution

Nimrod developed astrology, and laid the foundations for black and white witchcraft. Shem (Cush's great uncle, Noah's son, and a righteous man), appalled by his nephew's evil deeds, killed Nimrod. Before his death, Nimrod married and impregnated his mother Semiramis. After Nimrod was slain, Semiramis convinced the people of Babylon that Nimrod was a god (the sun god Baal), and that she was a goddess (the Queen of Heaven). Semiramis developed the Satanic religion of Baal worship, including confession (for blackmail and public fear), secret societies (prefiguring Masonry, Mormonism, Jesuits, and the Illuminati), and the idea that she, as the religious leader, was the only medium to God (prefiguring the Pope). Idols appeared featuring mother Semiramis and baby Nimrod (prefiguring the Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus); her symbol was the moon (Isis, Diana), and Nimrod's was the sun (Horus, Baal, Sol). Semiramis promoted baby sacrifices and celibacy for priests, foreshadowing Roman Catholicism. She invented death by crucifixion (crucifixes were originally occult symbols in Babylon and Egypt). Semiramis bore another child (by her son Nimrod, while claiming she was a virgin) named Tammuz, who she maintained was the reincarnation of Nimrod (Baal). This was the foundation of the virgin mother with child archetype that Satan used to corrupt many world religions.

In Egypt, Semiramis became Isis, and Nimrod became Horus (as a child) and Osiris as an adult (the pyramid eye of Freemasonry is the "eye of Osiris"). Sun worship dominated Egypt. Egyptian priests practiced "transubstantiation", claiming to be able to transfer the sun god Osiris into a circular wafer. In rituals prefiguring Catholic Mass, the faithful then ate the "body" of their god to nourish their souls. The letters IHS on the sun-shaped wafers stood for Isis, Horus, Seb (later, Roman Catholics claimed they were the first three letters of Jesus' name in Greek).


anno domini


After Christ's death and resurrection, Satan, using Gnostics in Alexandria, Egypt, corrupted the Biblical scriptures, playing down the deity of Jesus and adding the Apocrypha. As the Roman Empire was falling, Constantine claimed the throne. He was challenged by another Roman general, Maxentius. During a battle with Maxentius' army, Satan showed Constantine the sign of a cross in the sky (an Egyptian ankh) underneath the words, "In this sign conquer." Constantine "became a Christian", painted the ankh on his army's shields, and was victorious. Though he declared publicly that he and his soldiers were Christian, he still secretly worshipped Sol (Baal). Constantine then took over the Roman government and issued the Edict of Milan, a decree of tolerance for Christians, "baptized" his troops, and presided as the first Summus Pontifex (the official title of the Pope).

Many of the existing "Christian" churches he legitimized had been earlier infiltrated by spies under Nero, and had become corrupt. Over the years, these counterfeit churches, under Constantine's guide, eventually evolved into Roman Catholicism. Constantine ordered Eusebius, the Bishop of Caesarea, to have fifty Bibles assembled. Although true Christians had assembled the correct Word of God in Antioch, Syria, Eusebius chose the corrupted Alexandrian texts from Egypt, which had been altered by the Gnostic scholar Origen under Satan's guidance. These Bibles were the foundation of the Roman Catholic church. The Vatican later created the Latin Vulgate from the original fifty, and all other versions were outlawed.

Roman Catholicism transferred Baal worship into an already corrupted Christianity. The icon of the virgin mother and child with halos (representing the sun), Mary as the queen of heaven, confessionals, wafer worship, transubstantiation, and priests as exclusive mediators of God were all derived from the Satanic Babylonian religion. Roman Catholicism became a mixture of witchcraft, Judaism, paganism, and perverted Christianity. Witches thrived and were ordained by the Vatican. Meanwhile, true Christians spread the word that the Vatican was the Whore of Babylon (of the Book of Revelation). Rome was outraged, and staged the Holy Inquisition, torturing and murdering "heretics" to eliminate both Christians and Jews, and to fill the coffers of the church. Later, in response to the Vatican's oppressive dogma, Martin Luther, a former Augustinian monk, nailed his 95 theses to the wall of a church in Germany, heralding Protestantism. The Vatican is shaken as Protestantism spreads rapidly through Europe. In order to stamp out the spiritual rebellion, Pope Paul III ordered Ignatius de Loyola to found the Order of Jesuits, which would act as the intelligentsia and secret militia of the Vatican. Loyola had already founded the occult Illuminati, which he then placed under the umbrella of the Vatican. The secret Satanic organization later became the most important branch of the Jesuit order, controlling the world economy, international banking, military forces, witchcraft, and the world religions. Jesuits ("the militia of the popes") used witchcraft, meditation (trances), hypnosis, and speaking in tongues to infiltrate and destroy the Bible-believing Protestant church. To this day, the Superior General of the Jesuits, "the Black Pope", is the mysterious man behind the Pope; it is he who has the ultimate power in the Vatican. The Jesuits helped develop many cults: Freemasons, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, and many others, to serve the interests of the Vatican. They staged campaigns to rid Europe of Bible-believing Christians, first in France, then in England (by secretly trying to substitute the corrupted Alexandrian Bible for the English translation). The bait and switch plot failed, as King James successfully translated the Word of God (the Antioch manuscripts) into his English version-to this day the only uncorrupted text.

In the modern world, the Vatican (the Whore of Babylon) is responsible for: All Satanic Bible versions

Based on the corrupted Alexandrian Gnostic manuscripts. The King James Version is the only true "word of God".

Baal worship (Sun god religion of ancient Babylon) in the guise of Christianity


The communion wafer of Roman Catholic mass ("wafer god", "death cookie") is based on the Egyptian ritual of transubstantiation, in which the temple priests would magically transform the sun-shaped wafers into the "body" of Horus, and the worshippers would then "eat" their sun god (derived from Baal from Babylon). Today's Catholic wafers are imprinted with the letters IHS, which Chick maintains stands for Isis, Horus, Seb, the Egyptian gods. The crucifix was created by Semiramis, in honor of her son Tammuz, and is a symbol of death and the occult. "Behind the crucifix are strong demonic forces giving out tremendous power, as depicted in vampire movies". Mary worship, and the icon of the virgin with child is derived from the image of Semiramis (the "Queen of Heaven") and her baby Tammuz (Baal), by Nimrod. Chick traces this archetypal icon to most world religions, as evidence of Satan's covert religious influence. The Pope is identified by Chick as the Antichrist of Revelation; the Vatican as the Whore of Babylon.

Christmas

Babylonian ritual celebrating the "rebirth" of the sun god Baal (Tammuz) after the Winter Solstice.

Islam

Mohammed was a stooge selected and seduced by a female agent of the Vatican to create a new religion for the Arab world-under doctrinal guidance of Roman Catholicism "advisors"-which would conquer Jerusalem for the Pope. The plan failed, for when the Muslims did conquer Jerusalem, they had grown to such a great number that they felt themselves invincible. Muslims later invaded Europe, challenging the Vatican, and beginning the Crusades.

Illuminati

The Illuminati was created by super-evil Ignatius Loyola before founding the Order of Jesuits, which would later become the Vatican's CIA. The original goal of the Illuminati (a "Satanic organization") was "to control the minds of European leaders through hypnosis, witchcraft, and mind control". Loyola communed with demonic spirits for advice in setting up the organization, who "illuminated his mind", hence the name. Once Loyola became powerful in the Vatican hierarchy as the Jesuit General, the occult Illuminati became "the most important branch of the Jesuit order, eventually coming to control the world economy, international banking, military forces, all branches of witchcraft, and the religions of the world, putting humanity on its knees to serve the Pope."


U.S. Civil War & Assassination of President Lincoln

Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits for two reasons.
1) For defending, while still a lawyer, Charles Chiniquy, a renegade Canadian priest who had founded a community in Illinois. Chiniquy was the target of repeated Vatican attacks for breaking with the Church. Lincoln won the case.

2) For foiling the Confederacy in the Civil War, a Jesuit engineered, Vatican backed plot to destroy the U.S. After Lincoln won the Civil War, the Vatican exacted its revenge. Not surprisingly, John Wilkes Booth wore a medal of the Virgin Mary around his neck.

Ku Klux Klan

The KKK was created by Jesuits following their failure in the Civil War, in an effort to prejudice African Americans and liberal whites against Protestantism. They are, to put it mildly, a negative PR organization.

Freemasonry, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science

"These are some of the spiritual abominations spawned by the Jesuits. You can see the evidence of this in that these cults, as forms of Roman Catholicism, have the same basic underlying pattern in their doctrines, religious practices, and structure."

World War I

Before World War I, France signed a treaty with the Czar of Russia (a target of revenge for the Pope, because of his protection of the rival Eastern Orthodox church), infuriating the Vatican. Meanwhile, the Orthodox church was spreading throughout Europe. The Vatican backed Kaiser Wilhelm ("a good Roman Catholic") in his bid to expand Germany's borders, hoping that France and the Orthodox menace in the Balkans would be destroyed in the process. Many Roman Catholics from various countries were slaughtered in the war, yet the Vatican was unmoved. "Satan, working through the Vatican, had put millions into hell."

Communism & Russian Revolution

To understand why the Vatican created Communism, one must go back to the time of Constantine. Constantine, a false Christian and secret Sol (Baal) worshipper, created the Roman Catholic church. He was its first "pope", declaring tolerance for Christianity in Rome after centuries of persecution. He moved to Byzantium (Constantinople; Istanbul today), where he set up an eastern branch of the Catholic church. Later, a rift developed between Rome and Constantinople, and the city became the center of the Orthodox church, a hated rival of the Vatican in the Eastern Europe and beyond. The Eastern Orthodox church eventually came under the protection of the Czars of Russia, hence the Czar was always a target for revenge from the Vatican. In the early 1900's, the Vatican saw its chance to exact revenge on the Czar and exterminate the Orthodox church. Nicholas the 2nd's Russia was unstable, his court in turmoil. The Russian people were disgruntled. Planning their attack, the Jesuits coached Marx and Engels in writing The Communist Manifesto to spread dissent amongst the Russian working class. The Communist Party was bankrolled by the Illuminati in order to create another power loyal to the Vatican, once the Czar had been overthrown. The Jesuits masterminded the Russian Revolution, and secretly moved the Vatican's gold into Russia. When the fighting broke out, Jesuits sent Lenin into Russia in a sealed train filled with revolutionaries. Meanwhile, the Czar had already been captured by Jesuit agents and forced to abdicate. Lenin arrived, gained control of the Reds, while unbeknownst to him Jesuits acting as Communists tried the Czar and his family and slaughtered them. The hunt then began for the leaders of the Orthodox church; many were found and killed. When the troops arrived at the Orthodox patriarch's church, however, he welcomed them, saying that he had been hiding the Czar's gold for them. The Communists, cowed by the gold, which included the Vatican's gold, spared the patriarch and ceased the extermination of Orthodox leaders. The pope was outraged and vowed revenge on the turncoat Communists, and the remnants of the Orthodox church. The crafty Jesuits began to plan World War II to this end.

Nazis & World War II

Just before World War II, Germany was suffering a great depression. In order to exterminate the Jews (the Vatican's rivals for possession of the Holy Land), and get revenge on the Russians for the Communist debacle, Jesuits arranged for pro-Catholic Jews to buy up land from the ruined Germans, stirring up anti-Jewish resentment. Meanwhile, Communist movements were springing up in Italy, so the Vatican put Mussolini in power, under the guidance of Jesuits. Mussolini declared Roman Catholicism the official religion of Italy, and restored the Pope's temporal (political) power over the nation. Back in Germany, Jesuits moved to destroy the Weimar Republic because it was democratic ("two things the Vatican despises are Protestantism and Democracy"). A Jesuit priest named Staempfle wrote Mein Kampf for Adolph Hitler, whom the Jesuits were grooming for power. The book was "the master plan of the Jesuits for Hitler's takeover of Germany". Hitler's brown shirts rose to power, and the Vatican backed him, giving him the Masonic swastika as a national symbol. Hitler and many of his top aides, including Goebbels and Himmler, were Roman Catholic. Rome signed a concordat with Hitler in 1933, officially recognizing Nazi Germany. To complete the Fascist Catholic triumvirate, the Vatican put Franco in control of Spain, squashing Communist uprisings in the process. In Germany, Roman Catholic Germans infiltrated Protestant churches, spreading anti-Jewish sentiment, in order to insure that the Jews would blame Protestants, not Catholics, for the coming Holocaust. Jesuits hid over 1000 Jews in the catacombs of the Vatican to cover their asses in case Hitler lost the war. World War II raged throughout Europe, and the Holocaust began. Hitler publicly compared SS chief Himmler to Ignatius Loyola, explicitly connecting the Holocaust to the Inquisition. Many Roman Catholic priests wore the black uniforms of the SS and tortured and murdered Jews; a new Inquisition was underway. Fortunately, the Jesuit-engineered plot failed, as Germany surrendered under Allied pressure, and Hitler committed suicide. Cleverly, though, the Vatican had backed itself up, causing the world to believe that the church had nothing to do with the war, and that the Holocaust never happened. During the war, Jesuits made sure Roman Catholics were persecuted alongside Jews, and Roman Catholic Germans hid some Jews in their homes for later counter-PR. To this day, the Vatican has never apologized for backing the Nazis.

Ecumenical Movement & New Age spirituality

The Ecumenical movement (a Vatican II creation to recognize, and eventually subsume, all world religions) and the New Age movement are precursors of Satan's One World Religion, controlled by the Pope (the Antichrist) in preparation for the One World Government of the Beast, as prophesied in the Book of Revelation.

Jonestown Massacre

Jim Jones was "a powerful warlock and a well-trained Jesuit". The Jonestown Massacre was a Jesuit-engineered media event, intended to brand all fundamentalists as murderous fanatics. Despite his Jesuit background, the media portrayed Jones as a crazy Bible-believing fundamentalist, hence casting aspersions on true Christians everywhere.

The Pope, is, of course, an Antichrist, while the religious machinery of the Vatican itself is the Whore of Babylon (as it derives its rituals and symbolism from the Babylonian religion of the seductive Semiramis). The Beast is the political structure of the so called "Holy Roman Empire of the Vatican, which will eventually amalgamate into a One World Religion and Government.

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wonderful this further proves Americans are Saints and Angels, by comparison .since we are the youngest country..so Muslims have been killing people for the longest periods of all.. ..Also Since Moon phases were vital even in Ancient times so as to plant crops for sucessful yeilds ..So naturally some of the Christian holidays were converted from the ancient times . Even Easter Sunday falls at differant dates ..Futhermore that a Chritian conversion of certain dates occured would be natural, since the seasons of the year, were so important to mankind, and provided vital crops for food.. and also with coinciding dates for feast days etc Holidays etc ....So your point would be ? . Also about a one world religion..well most religions believe in a supreme being, but Christ Will Rule The Nations...all Knees Will Bow To him. before this is over ..He Is The King Of Kings .
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Catholics not only worship Mary with prayers they also ask all their priest to forgive their sin, thus: "forgive me father for i have sinned."

The definition of blastphemy is just that, claimingto forgive sins that only God can do. We are to pray to God in the name of Jesus only.

Catholics have many gods.

1st Commandment; Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

See if you can read that without a priest telling you what it says!!
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Wrong again....
As a Catholic I have never worshipped Mary. I honour her as the Mother of My Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. Nor do I know any Catholic that worships Mary this is another lie "truther"

As far as confession goes. Chick tells us that "no man has the power to forgive sins." It’s true that God’s forgiveness is the one that counts, but this doesn’t mean that God doesn’t use men as the instruments by which he absolves people.


The Pharisees made the same charge against Jesus during his own public ministry (cf. Mark 2:7), but Jesus proved he had the power to forgive sins by healing the paralytic man. When the crowds saw it, "they glorified God, who had given such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8, emphasis added).

With the coming of Christ, God began to use men as instruments of his forgiveness, and after the Resurrection Jesus commissioned his disciples to do this, telling them: "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:22–23).




As for priests, the word priest is actually taken from the Greek word presbuteros ("elder").

Further, Paul tells us that God’s ministers in the New Testament age do perform "priestly service" (Rom. 15:16).

Regarding monks and nuns, the Old Testament records people who took special vows of consecration to God (Nazirites, cf. Num. 6), the Old Testament equivalent of monks and nuns. In the New Testament, Anna the prophetess seems to have lived like a cloistered nun, as "she did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day" (Luke 2:37). Paul tells us of an order of widows devoted to good works who had vowed to not marry again (cf. 1 Tim. 5:9–12).

Priests aren’t worshiped, but they do represent Christ as his ministers. Don’t Protestants treat their own ministers with respect (1 Thess. 5:12)?
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It's all a big coincidence the Jesuits use an emblazoned SUN with IHS on it?

Wake up from your slumber fool!!

And the solar wheel at the Vatican? Pagan gods Jupiter? Obelisk in the court?
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research my friend....use your mind....I'm giving your truth!!!!

What kind of non-answer is that!
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ummmm that wasn't the answer just my utterances of frustration and disbelief...you were suppose to keep reading
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Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
[link to www.reformation.org]
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Alberto Rivero was no Jesuit....read info above. For someone named truther you have no interest in the truth!!!

Did he fake his id badge? It is at the link reformation.org CLICK IT!

Alberto left Catholicism in 1967. He disowned them!
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lol id badge...where are his ORDINATION PAPERS?!?! You know the ones he got when he was ORDAINED a priest????!!!
To substantiate the claim, the Alberto comic book carries a picture of an official-looking document from the Archbishopric of Madrid-Alcala in Spain, dated September 1967. It identifies Rivera as a priest and gives him permission to travel abroad in his ministry. There is no other church documentation, such as an ordination certificate, shown in the book. An individual in California, who grew suspicious of Rivera in 1973, wrote to the archdiocese office in Madrid-Alcala to ask if Rivera were really a priest. The response was that no diocese in Spain had any record of Rivera as a priest. The archbishop’s office concluded that he was not a priest, and that the travel document, which was little more than a form letter, was "acquired by deceit and subterfuge" to enable Rivera to get a passport.[29]


Christianity Today further discovered that "that not only was Rivera not a Jesuit priest, but also that he had two children during the time he claimed to be living a celibate life as a Jesuit." It explained:

Although Rivera claims to have been raised and trained in a Spanish Jesuit seminary, his hometown friend, Bonilla, said Rivera was living at one point with a woman in Costa Rica named Carmen Lydia Torres. (Alberto says Rivera was sent to Costa Rica to destroy a [Protestant] seminary and that a woman named Carmen was with him, posing as his girlfriend. The seminary was not named.)

Rivera later stated on an employment form that he and Torres were married in 1963. Their son, Juan, was born in Hoboken, New Jersey, in 1964, while Rivera was forking for the Christian Reformed Church there. Juan died in El Paso in July 1965, after his parents had fled New Jersey leaving numerous debts and a warrant for their arrest on bad check charges. The couple had two other children, Alberto and Luis Marx. The first two children were born during the time Alberto claimed to be a Jesuit priest in Spain.[30]

Bartholomew F. Brewer, a former Catholic priest who is now director of Mission to Catholics International in San Diego [a man long known to for his anti-Catholic activities and an authentic ex-priest] . . . related to that several years ago Rivera wanted to work in conjunction with Mission to Catholics. Dr. Brewer did interview Rivera and decided not to use him in his ministry. Over a period of time, however, Dr. Brewer got to know Rivera better and he eventually concluded that Rivera was not only unfamiliar with Catholic theology, by obviously had never been a Catholic priest, let alone a bishop.

In examining the two Chick comics, one finds that statements are made that would seem to substantiate Dr. Brewer’s views. Rivera is apparently unfamiliar with Catholic doctrine, church history, and other factual information.

For example, in Alberto, Rivera seems to imply that celibacy is a sacrament. Also, he states that students studying for the priesthood were not allowed to read the Bible. He also claims that, in Catholic doctrine, Mary is co-equal with God the Father. These are all misrepresentations of the truth.

Rivera further calls his reliability into question by stating that the masterminds behind the Inquisition were Jesuits. This is an impossibility, since the Inquisition began around a.d. 1200, and the Jesuits were not established until the 1540s.[32]
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Catholics not only worship Mary with prayers they also ask all their priest to forgive their sin, thus: "forgive me father for i have sinned."

The definition of blastphemy is just that, claimingto forgive sins that only God can do. We are to pray to God in the name of Jesus only.

Catholics have many gods.

1st Commandment; Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

See if you can read that without a priest telling you what it says!!
___________________________



Wrong again....
As a Catholic I have never worshipped Mary. I honour her as the Mother of My Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. Nor do I know any Catholic that worships Mary this is another lie "truther"

As far as confession goes. Chick tells us that "no man has the power to forgive sins." It’s true that God’s forgiveness is the one that counts, but this doesn’t mean that God doesn’t use men as the instruments by which he absolves people.


The Pharisees made the same charge against Jesus during his own public ministry (cf. Mark 2:7), but Jesus proved he had the power to forgive sins by healing the paralytic man. When the crowds saw it, "they glorified God, who had given such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8, emphasis added).

With the coming of Christ, God began to use men as instruments of his forgiveness, and after the Resurrection Jesus commissioned his disciples to do this, telling them: "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:22–23).




As for priests, the word priest is actually taken from the Greek word presbuteros ("elder").

Further, Paul tells us that God’s ministers in the New Testament age do perform "priestly service" (Rom. 15:16).

Regarding monks and nuns, the Old Testament records people who took special vows of consecration to God (Nazirites, cf. Num. 6), the Old Testament equivalent of monks and nuns. In the New Testament, Anna the prophetess seems to have lived like a cloistered nun, as "she did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day" (Luke 2:37). Paul tells us of an order of widows devoted to good works who had vowed to not marry again (cf. 1 Tim. 5:9–12).

Priests aren’t worshiped, but they do represent Christ as his ministers. Don’t Protestants treat their own ministers with respect (1 Thess. 5:12)?
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Catholics bow to Mary besides praying to her.
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They erect statues and idols to the dead Mary. It is not Mary the mother of God at all but the Queen of Heaven from Babylon, because Mary is dead in her grave.

The pharasees wanted to stone Jesus for claiming to forgive sin, which [is] claiming to be God. Jesus is God, thus he was not blaspheming. All others who claim to be in the place of God/Jesus are antichrist.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.
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OP, Jesus does not mean Christ.

That matters more than the IHS not meaning Jesus.
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Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
[link to www.reformation.org]
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Alberto Rivero was no Jesuit....read info above. For someone named truther you have no interest in the truth!!!

Did he fake his id badge? It is at the link reformation.org CLICK IT!

Alberto left Catholicism in 1967. He disowned them!
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Thanks "Truther"! I needed a laugh tonight rofl

Like there aren't any illegal aliens with fake id's... that's too hard to do!!! Man if you believe those Chicken tracks you'll believe anything. You've been brainwashed dude.
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Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
[link to www.reformation.org]
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Alberto Rivero was no Jesuit....read info above. For someone named truther you have no interest in the truth!!!
_____________________________

Did he fake his id badge? It is at the link reformation.org CLICK IT!

Alberto left Catholicism in 1967. He disowned them!
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lol id badge...where are his ORDINATION PAPERS?!?! You know the ones he got when he was ORDAINED a priest????!!!
To substantiate the claim, the Alberto comic book carries a picture of an official-looking document from the Archbishopric of Madrid-Alcala in Spain, dated September 1967. It identifies Rivera as a priest and gives him permission to travel abroad in his ministry. There is no other church documentation, such as an ordination certificate, shown in the book. An individual in California, who grew suspicious of Rivera in 1973, wrote to the archdiocese office in Madrid-Alcala to ask if Rivera were really a priest. The response was that no diocese in Spain had any record of Rivera as a priest.
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Go figure they deny the priest who disowned them. They are a criminal organization. Yet, he has priest documents whether they deny him or not, as you admit.
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Alberto Rivera was indeed a disowned Jesuit
[link to www.reformation.org]
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Alberto Rivero was no Jesuit....read info above. For someone named truther you have no interest in the truth!!!

Did he fake his id badge? It is at the link reformation.org CLICK IT!

Alberto left Catholicism in 1967. He disowned them!
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Thanks "Truther"! I needed a laugh tonight rofl

Like there aren't any illegal aliens with fake id's... that's too hard to do!!! Man if you believe those Chicken tracks you'll believe anything. You've been brainwashed dude.
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I would listen if you were not defending a sun cult with an obelisk in their court.

"IHS" predates Jesus, as do the solstices of Catholicism, Easter and Christmas.