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Anonymous Coward User ID: 662717 United Kingdom 04/23/2009 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And if all of them are fake, then PROVE it. I can't prove PX exists, nor can any debunker here prove that it doesn't exist. End of story. Quoting: Circuit BreakerOkay. Did "Planet X" show up and cause a "pole shift" in 2003? Are there any photos anywhere taken with a telescope and solar filters that show an object 4 times the size of Venus hovering near the sun? No? There you go. I just proved it doesn't exist as Nancy describes it. Next! Actually it's quite easy to prove that Planet X (as described by Nancy) doesn't exist, you just need to take a brief look around our solar system - Planet X is not (and has never been) in any of the places Nancy says. Therefore, it has been repeatedly verified that Nancy's Planet X DOES NOT EXIST. So, to believe in it, or even to accept it as a possibility is wilful self-delusion. |
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Menow User ID: 405501 United States 04/23/2009 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My reply got buried in the quote. You misspelled apologize, Max, I guess you were too busy pointing out the mistake made by the other poster, as if it matters. Quoting: ***ZetaMax***Of course it matters, it PROVES Nancy is RIGHT!! How so, Max? I guess you are getting pretty desperate if a spelling mistake and a misplaced reply within a quote is evidence that Nancy is right. I suppose in the absence of any evidence regarding the pole shift, planet x and all the other topics, this is the best you can do. Of course I am being facitious. It was just too tempting to toss out complete nonsense and see how the debunkers respond. Nancy tosses out complete nonsense on a weekly basis. What is fascinating to observe is how the PX believers respond with passionate credulity anyway. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 553451 Canada 04/23/2009 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was. Zetatalk is not a "religion". It is "channeled material". It is "information" - information that has no way currently of being proven true or false. "Belief" is not necessary and makes no difference to the fate of both the reader and non-reader alike. Makes no difference to the "bunker" or "de"-bunker alike. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 662717No, it's not a religion, it's a CULT! It requires FAITH because NONE of it has been proved and furthermore ALL the major astronomical claims would require a massive change to the observed universe in order to be true. It's not based on FACT so it's not science, and it's not based on opinion so it's not philosophy. It's a CULT, plain and simple. The sort of cult that might be started by an attention-starved not-very-well-educated insane woman from Wisconsin. Funny enough, a few months back when I took on Nancy about how a true channeler does not need to "be on the same page", she said in her defense that she doesn't channel, she translates telepathic messages, which is a crock, but now Max says it is channeled material. The story is so convoluted that they can't keep it straight. The main rule of creating and perpetuating an internet hoax is to keep it simple. LOL. The information can and has been proven largely false, time and time again, but Max doesn't want to look at it because it might mean he is terribly wrong. When you ignore proof, you are operating on pure belief, faith if you will. This is the difference between bunker (those that support bunk) and the debunker (those that expose bunk for what it is - bunk). The bunker just believes because there is no proof that the "information" is true. The debunker looks for evidence to form a conclusion. I could argue that all religions have a bit of cult in them and all cults have a religious element that keeps the members in fear and awe. Thankfully Nancy doesn't have much time before it all is disproved. I am sure she will come up with a snowy white whopper to move the doom date a few more years into the future when 2012 comes and the pole shift and PX have still not happened. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 662717 United Kingdom 04/23/2009 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was. Zetatalk is not a "religion". It is "channeled material". It is "information" - information that has no way currently of being proven true or false. "Belief" is not necessary and makes no difference to the fate of both the reader and non-reader alike. Makes no difference to the "bunker" or "de"-bunker alike. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553451No, it's not a religion, it's a CULT! It requires FAITH because NONE of it has been proved and furthermore ALL the major astronomical claims would require a massive change to the observed universe in order to be true. It's not based on FACT so it's not science, and it's not based on opinion so it's not philosophy. It's a CULT, plain and simple. The sort of cult that might be started by an attention-starved not-very-well-educated insane woman from Wisconsin. Funny enough, a few months back when I took on Nancy about how a true channeler does not need to "be on the same page", she said in her defense that she doesn't channel, she translates telepathic messages, which is a crock, but now Max says it is channeled material. The story is so convoluted that they can't keep it straight. The main rule of creating and perpetuating an internet hoax is to keep it simple. LOL. The information can and has been proven largely false, time and time again, but Max doesn't want to look at it because it might mean he is terribly wrong. When you ignore proof, you are operating on pure belief, faith if you will. This is the difference between bunker (those that support bunk) and the debunker (those that expose bunk for what it is - bunk). The bunker just believes because there is no proof that the "information" is true. The debunker looks for evidence to form a conclusion. I could argue that all religions have a bit of cult in them and all cults have a religious element that keeps the members in fear and awe. Thankfully Nancy doesn't have much time before it all is disproved. I am sure she will come up with a snowy white whopper to move the doom date a few more years into the future when 2012 comes and the pole shift and PX have still not happened. I agree. I think most religions start out as cults! However, I don't think Nancy will be so lucky :-) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 662789 United States 04/23/2009 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nancy tosses out complete nonsense on a weekly basis. What is fascinating to observe is how the PX believers respond with passionate credulity anyway. Quoting: Menow 405501She preys on the ignorant. That's why she chose a subject on which to base her cult that many people know little about - astronomy. Anyone who has the first bit of education in it could see that she's dead wrong. |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States 04/23/2009 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like an honest answer to the following question: To those of you who believe Nancy and claim that "debunkers" will soon find themselves suffering from the "pole shift" - I would like to know what you'll do when 2012 gets here and "Planet X" is still a no show. Nancy and the "Zetas" said it would happen in 2003 and, when it didn't, had to come up with a "white lie." They now say that 2012 is too far out. While neither Nancy or the "Zetas" will specify exactly what they mean by "too far out," on December 31, 2011 time will have run out. "Planet X" will either have caused a "pole shift" by that time or it will be quite visible and undeniable in the sky. So, if nothing happens and there's no sign of "Planet X," will you believe whatever "white lie" Nancy has to come up with to explain another failure? Or will you seriously question what Nancy claims? No diversions, no dancing about, no insults...please just give an honest answer. If "Planet X" does show up, I will be one of the first to show up on this forum and admit I was wrong for ever doubting Nancy and spending so much time trying to prove it didn't exist. If I can do that, surely, you can do the same...especially you Free Store. I've asked you this before and all you did was dance about. And while I'm on the subject...exactly how is the government going to cover up "Planet X" and the "pole shift?" How are they going to control all the people? "Planet X" isn't going to just suddenly show up one day and cause a "pole shift" within minutes or hours. It would be visible for days, weeks...possibly a month or more. How is the government going to control everyone when they know their lives are going to end anyway? There aren't enough military forces anywhere that can control the sheer volume of people. They would be quickly overrun. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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***ZetaMax*** User ID: 659599 United States 04/23/2009 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good question. Let's see which of the bunkers is honest. Will they concede that Nancy is wrong, or will they just wait to hear what her next excuse is? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 662789How about it bunkers? Who are these "bunkers"? I do not know of any! The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 662789 United States 04/23/2009 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good question. Let's see which of the bunkers is honest. Will they concede that Nancy is wrong, or will they just wait to hear what her next excuse is? Quoting: ***ZetaMax***How about it bunkers? Who are these "bunkers"? I do not know of any! That would be you. Are you going to honestly admit that Nancy is wrong when December 31st, 2011 arrives and no px is evident? |
Menow User ID: 405501 United States 04/23/2009 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's time to stop replying to ZetaMax. He does nothing but dance and spin and pretend to be a balanced observer when it is clear that his only purpose is to keep Nancy's chat thread "churning" with some form of activity. He cares not how many times he is shown to be an utter fool. He is simply trolling and baiting to make it SEEM as if there is some real debate taking place. There is not. Fini. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 662717 United Kingdom 04/23/2009 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nancy tosses out complete nonsense on a weekly basis. What is fascinating to observe is how the PX believers respond with passionate credulity anyway. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 662789She preys on the ignorant. That's why she chose a subject on which to base her cult that many people know little about - astronomy. Anyone who has the first bit of education in it could see that she's dead wrong. Exactly. That's why I said the 'element of doubt' only works in her favor! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 662717 United Kingdom 04/23/2009 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good question. Let's see which of the bunkers is honest. Will they concede that Nancy is wrong, or will they just wait to hear what her next excuse is? Quoting: ***ZetaMax***How about it bunkers? Who are these "bunkers"? I do not know of any! You know very little about anything. |
Cynical Realist Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 658760 United Kingdom 04/23/2009 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like an honest answer to the following question: Quoting: Circuit BreakerTo those of you who believe Nancy and claim that "debunkers" will soon find themselves suffering from the "pole shift" - I would like to know what you'll do when 2012 gets here and "Planet X" is still a no show. Nancy and the "Zetas" said it would happen in 2003 and, when it didn't, had to come up with a "white lie." They now say that 2012 is too far out. While neither Nancy or the "Zetas" will specify exactly what they mean by "too far out," on December 31, 2011 time will have run out. "Planet X" will either have caused a "pole shift" by that time or it will be quite visible and undeniable in the sky. So, if nothing happens and there's no sign of "Planet X," will you believe whatever "white lie" Nancy has to come up with to explain another failure? Or will you seriously question what Nancy claims? No diversions, no dancing about, no insults...please just give an honest answer. If "Planet X" does show up, I will be one of the first to show up on this forum and admit I was wrong for ever doubting Nancy and spending so much time trying to prove it didn't exist. If I can do that, surely, you can do the same...especially you Free Store. I've asked you this before and all you did was dance about. And while I'm on the subject...exactly how is the government going to cover up "Planet X" and the "pole shift?" How are they going to control all the people? "Planet X" isn't going to just suddenly show up one day and cause a "pole shift" within minutes or hours. It would be visible for days, weeks...possibly a month or more. How is the government going to control everyone when they know their lives are going to end anyway? There aren't enough military forces anywhere that can control the sheer volume of people. They would be quickly overrun. Count me in on that one also....... IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 553451 Canada 04/23/2009 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Me too. I will even post a formal apology to Nancy, Zetas and ZetaMax on my blog if I am wrong, that is, if anyone is still alive after the pole shift and the internet is still up. I will even post a link to ZetaTalk on my site. How about you, Max and Nancy? Are you willing to do likewise? Will you admit you were wrong and apologize to the people you have insulted and censored if Dec 31, 2011 comes along with no sign of PX or the pole shift? |
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***ZetaMax*** User ID: 659599 United States 04/23/2009 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's time to stop replying to ZetaMax. He does nothing but dance and spin and pretend to be a balanced observer when it is clear that his only purpose is to keep Nancy's chat thread "churning" with some form of activity. Quoting: Menow 405501He cares not how many times he is shown to be an utter fool. He is simply trolling and baiting to make it SEEM as if there is some real debate taking place. There is not. Fini. You called for this before - to know avail!! The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States 04/23/2009 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who are these "bunkers"? I do not know of any! Quoting: ***ZetaMax***You knew exactly what I meant. And I guess coming back with an honest response without diversions, evasion, dancing or spinning was too much to ask of you. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 04/23/2009 02:59 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 553451 Canada 04/23/2009 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's time to stop replying to ZetaMax. He does nothing but dance and spin and pretend to be a balanced observer when it is clear that his only purpose is to keep Nancy's chat thread "churning" with some form of activity. Quoting: ***ZetaMax***He cares not how many times he is shown to be an utter fool. He is simply trolling and baiting to make it SEEM as if there is some real debate taking place. There is not. Fini. You called for this before - to know avail!! :carfail: That's a lie and you know it Max. Some time ago, a thread was started to discuss Nancy's weekly chat and many debunkers stayed away from Nancy's thread to see how many pages her chat would generate if the debunkers stopped feeding it. We proved the point, that without debunkers, the chat thread dies at around 7 pages. So you started trolling that thread for lack of anything to do at Nancy's. You can only bump a dead thread so many times without looking like a total retard. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 553451 Canada 04/23/2009 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since Max is avoiding taking the challenge, I thought I would lighten things up for the afternoon crowd with an excerpt from Nancy's survival guide, for those that might have missed this gem: Methods of birth control from the Troubled Times survival guide... Plug and Play From the Aboriginals of Australia comes this method which is crude, but effective. It requires some primitive surgery. A hole is made in the base of the male penis, into which a wooden plug can be inserted. During intercourse this plug is removed, enabling ejaculation to take place through the hole in the base of the penis. When conception is desired, the plug is left in place. Not exactly an attractive solution, but desperate situations do require desperate measures. |
Menow User ID: 405501 United States 04/23/2009 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's time to stop replying to ZetaMax. He does nothing but dance and spin and pretend to be a balanced observer when it is clear that his only purpose is to keep Nancy's chat thread "churning" with some form of activity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553451He cares not how many times he is shown to be an utter fool. He is simply trolling and baiting to make it SEEM as if there is some real debate taking place. There is not. Fini. You called for this before - to know avail!! :carfail: That's a lie and you know it Max. Some time ago, a thread was started to discuss Nancy's weekly chat and many debunkers stayed away from Nancy's thread to see how many pages her chat would generate if the debunkers stopped feeding it. We proved the point, that without debunkers, the chat thread dies at around 7 pages. So you started trolling that thread for lack of anything to do at Nancy's. You can only bump a dead thread so many times without looking like a total retard. As I said, Maxie doesn't CARE if he looks like a total retard. That's part of his trolling technique. He appears to be an intelligent person, so people think they can talk some sense into him. They can't, because his game is INTENTIONALLY disingenuous. People keep posting to him to "show him up", but why? What's the point? We have all seen him ignore anything he can't spin into a continuing argument filled with nothing but more and more and more word-games. That's exactly what he wants and how he keeps the posts coming. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 662717 United Kingdom 04/23/2009 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As I said, Maxie doesn't CARE if he looks like a total retard. That's part of his trolling technique. He appears to be an intelligent person, so people think they can talk some sense into him. They can't, because his game is INTENTIONALLY disingenuous. People keep posting to him to "show him up", but why? What's the point? We have all seen him ignore anything he can't spin into a continuing argument filled with nothing but more and more and more word-games. That's exactly what he wants and how he keeps the posts coming. Quoting: Menow 405501ZetaMax has never seemed to me like an intelligent person. |
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***ZetaMax*** User ID: 659599 United States 04/23/2009 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since Max is avoiding taking the challenge, I thought I would lighten things up for the afternoon crowd with an excerpt from Nancy's survival guide, for those that might have missed this gem: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553451Methods of birth control from the Troubled Times survival guide... Plug and Play From the Aboriginals of Australia comes this method which is crude, but effective. It requires some primitive surgery. A hole is made in the base of the male penis, into which a wooden plug can be inserted. During intercourse this plug is removed, enabling ejaculation to take place through the hole in the base of the penis. When conception is desired, the plug is left in place. Not exactly an attractive solution, but desperate situations do require desperate measures. So have you tried it?? The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 88145 United States 04/23/2009 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Max has promised to admit that he and Nancy were wrong and to take me out for a steak dinner if the pole shift hasn't occurred by 12/31/11. We'll see if he has any more integrity than Freaky who promised he'd do the same two years ago and even swore his "Canadian word". I'm betting that Max will fall for whatever lame excuse Nancy comes up with and will reneg on his promise. |