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Hi everyone,

Even before this past weekend I was familiar with the work of Rick Strassman in DMT: The Spirit Molecule, so I have been aware of the types of experiences reported during a DMT trip.

But this past weekend, I saw a presentation by Graham Hancock at the X-conference in DC, and it blew me away, and scared me as well.

He essentially laid out the intricate and amazing parallels between abductee experiences and reports of hallucinations on DMT. The similarities were startling and shocking to say the least.

Reported by Shamans and witch doctors for thousands of years, Graham Hancock put forth the analysis that most of the mythical creatures such as fairies, elves, gnomes, dwarfs, and even spirit guides and angels can be traced to these entities that are seen on DMT trips.

He himself had a DMT experience, and as he was coming out of the trip, he started scribbling his impressions onto a piece of a paper which he presented to the audience, and along with the notes, he had drawn a crude image of a Grey, which he said, tried to coax him into their craft. He refused - something he says the DMT experience will allow you to do. He also do make very clear though, that the Ayahuasca realm is overseen by a female spirit entity which is benevolent and loving and attempts to guide the visitors to positive visions but that does not take away from the fact that there are other beings in that realm.

He does not discount these experiences as being entirely imaginary in ones head. Rather, he postulates, that the ET phenomenon might be more of an inter dimensional one rather than purely of this physical reality, (a la J Allen Hynek). Does this mean that our very consciousness is being abducted by these entities? It would seem so in some of the DMT reports. He does say that there is something definitely going on, and that we might not be as safe in our own heads as we would like to be.

His theory about abductions - and he said that he has shared these with John Mack before his passing - that many alien abductions might be explained by a sudden over production of the DMT molecule by the Pineal Gland which could lead to the spontaneous experiences, of alien presences, floating lights, experiments, implants, benevolent and scary impressions, all of which are reported in the DMT experience. For those that might not be aware - DMT is produced normally in the body by the Pineal Gland but in Sub-psychedelic quantities. Rick Strassman's hypothesis is that at the time of Death, the body produces an enormous amount of the chemical leading to the images of the NDE.

He was not able to explain all the physical evidence away, craft, implants, etc, but did say that it was possible that there might be an important psychic phenomena involved, like something Carl Jung hypothesized with the collection unconscious.

I wanted to know your take on this hypothesis. What might any of this mean? Does this lend any credence to John Lears almost insane belief that Aliens are harvesting Human souls on this planet. I used to think this was bullshit, and still do, but some of this is just down right confusing.

Your thoughts and impressions would be appreciated.

Peace!
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DMT and Alien Presence

I have finally succeeded in acheiving the true, undeniable DMT space. It was easily the most bizarre and frightening experience I've ever had. I now understand the true meaning of shamanism - what is meant by walking the line between worlds, tapping into a completely alien source of knowledge. It isn't something that I think I care to repeat. It was simply too awesome.

Several things converged to finally make the experience possible. I had processed 20g of M. hostilis rootbark this time, having had only very limited effects from past attempts using 8, 10 and 12 grams. I figured I was a DMT `hardhead' and needed that much. (Ha!) Also, this time the first phase of the extraction sat soaking in the methanol for a good 2 weeks instead of 4 or 5 days as before. This may have helped. Finally, for this experiment I used a 150mg tab of Moclobemide as the MAO inhibitor. I was very curious to see if it made a difference as opposed to using harmala extract, and I definitely think it did.

When the effects commenced some 2 hours after I drank the bitter sludge, they did not really creep in gradually as before. They hit fast in an accelerated rush, not unlike my first MDMA experience. I was standing up at the time, and had to go lay down as I thought I might faint on the spot.

For a minute it seemed pleasant enough, but then something happened that I am still attempting to sort out for myself. I have read with some degree of scepticism the many reports on DMT trips which talk about alien intelligence, alien presence, etc. and always thought that this was other peoples' interpretation of what was going on in their minds during their trip, and that my mind would not go there. I was wrong. To my utter disbelief, and even though I was fighting it at the time (and losing), I experienced what I can only call an alien presence. It felt like an invasive mental probing by an alien force. I did not want to believe in it, I was fighting it, but it was undeniable. As preposterous as the concept was, there it was, posing as truth, running my mind. At the peak of this section of the experience, I was having "revelations" that were so outlandish that I realized I probably could not express them to my friends or anyone later on, because they just sounded too insane. They still do to me as well.

Principally, I had a sudden vision, or I should say a concept or a "truth", that was so out there that it terrified me that I had gone so far as to think it, no matter what I was high on. I was "told" that all human life on earth was merely a long-term genetic experiment by extraplanetary life-forms alien to us. Our very existence was owed to them although it was in their program not to have us realize this. I had been chosen to be allowed to know the incredible secret to human existence: that these aliens had taken their own genetic material and hybridized it with primates found on the planet at the time of their arrival millions of years ago (only a short time in their scale), resulting in we "humans." All human ideology about religion, God, self-determination, and most of all, our perception that 'we' are the only ones in control of what happens on this planet, were shown to me to be a total joke, a delusion that we create ourselves. The tendency to see "Gods" as essentially human models (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc.) was shown to me to be all part of their plan. The catch-22 was seamless and perfect - I had been shown the awesome truth, but of course I can never reveal it to the world because I will only sound insane to everyone. For a moment the Heaven's Gate people seemed to be more sane than anyone. That's when I knew I was really out of it. It was scary that I would even think such a thing.

The experience I had was completely different than the one I have been chasing. I wanted the trip that DeKorne describes in his book, where incredible open-eye visuals dominate, taking the imagination for a ride, one that wrapped unreal visuals together in balance with awesome realizations. But there were really no visuals to speak of in this experience. There was some distortion but that was all. It was all an incredibly powerful mindfuck. I was having crying jags that were not connected to any thought or cause that I could see, they were just releases of raw emotion, as if I was a puppet being manipulated. I was alternately fighting it and trying to roll with it. I experienced time distortion on a scale that I hadn't thought possible. I was caught in a hellish loop that was timeless. I thought the effects would never end. I was listening to as album that I knew was only about 45 minutes long, but each time I would feel as if an eternity - hours, days, a lifetime - had passed, and surely the album had ended, I would open my eyes and focus on the music and realize that it had only been a minute or two! This was discomfiting because it made me feel that I had gone insane - permanently. I began to believe that I had ruined my life, finally toyed with entheogens enough to lose my mind. I began to have insidious suicidal thoughts. I had to say "No, no, no!" out loud to push away the thoughts of getting up, getting a gun and shooting myself.

The news isn't all bad. I did have flashes of positive messages telling me that my own potential was limitless and that all the limitations that exist in my life are self-created, that my genetic material is far superior to the vast majority of human beings and has been chosen for the kind of knowledge that we appear to have been given. But in the end, even these good thoughts seemed delusional. In fact delusional doesn't even begin to describe the state I was in, despite the fact that at the very same time my rational mind was present and trying to process all of it.

Finally I threw up the purple muck and the ride was over. It had lasted from about 9:30 p.m. to about 12:30 a.m. Quite long enough for me, thanks. What has been referred to as "the Holy Grail" I now see as something more like "the Evil Confuser." It's going to take a while to integrate and understand what happened.
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better to keep this private, dont let the ego get involved in spiritual mannors

blogging about can lead to ego based confusion
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better to keep this private, dont let the ego get involved in spiritual mannors

blogging about can lead to ego based confusion
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not sure what that means.

I'm trying to get responses from what people think. If anything, my ego is trying to build up the courage to go explore, and not be afraid of being mind raped by some fucking greys. lol
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Smoked DMT several times.. never saw any "aliens" or elves etc. Saw two human/clownlike faces saying "you're special" over and over. On my 2nd time trying it the experience ended with a beautiful female entity smiling, then brushed my face with her hand and also touching the inside of my skull at the same time.. i snapped out of the trance and felt a cold wind brush past my face.

I wouldn't leap to too many conclusions. All i know is that DMT kicks fucking ass.. it will fucking kick your ass to the upside of your skull, no matter how seasoned a psychonaut you are!

Divine Mystical Transmission
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i think the truth is being revealed to us, one at a time, slowly,, slowly.

i figured out the alien genetic connection when i was a little girl. i've not experienced DMT, it scares me and its fascinating at the same time. i have taken shit loads of E though and i've had what sound like similar experiences, especially with time.
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It's true that some so-called alien encounters aren't really alien encounters at all, and that they were caused by overproduction of DMT in the body.

But not all encounters with extraterrestrials are explainable in that way.
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better to keep this private, dont let the ego get involved in spiritual mannorsblogging about can lead to ego based confusion
not sure what that means.
I'm trying to get responses from what people think. If anything, my ego is trying to build up the courage to go explore, and not be afraid of being mind raped by some fucking greys. lol
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got you, yes dmt is THE BEST explorative agent available.

i'd have to check your astrologica transits to tell you which day or night would be the best.

no ,do not even think ahead or cloud yourself with issues of the greys . thats been sensationalized , sheesh .

there are nature spirits or just yourself to explore ,moreless .... if lucky why not merge with the earth mother or the solar system then universe in a samadhi like event?


all i can say is when you do it ,do not think of what is spoken here or the internet or any preconceived thoughts, get out of your mind and into the being of now
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A DMT Trip Report from an online author:

[link to csp.org]

DMT and Alien Presence

I have finally succeeded in acheiving the true, undeniable DMT space. It was easily the most bizarre and frightening experience I've ever had. I now understand the true meaning of shamanism - what is meant by walking the line between worlds, tapping into a completely alien source of knowledge. It isn't something that I think I care to repeat. It was simply too awesome.

Several things converged to finally make the experience possible. I had processed 20g of M. hostilis rootbark this time, having had only very limited effects from past attempts using 8, 10 and 12 grams. I figured I was a DMT `hardhead' and needed that much. (Ha!) Also, this time the first phase of the extraction sat soaking in the methanol for a good 2 weeks instead of 4 or 5 days as before. This may have helped. Finally, for this experiment I used a 150mg tab of Moclobemide as the MAO inhibitor. I was very curious to see if it made a difference as opposed to using harmala extract, and I definitely think it did.

When the effects commenced some 2 hours after I drank the bitter sludge, they did not really creep in gradually as before. They hit fast in an accelerated rush, not unlike my first MDMA experience. I was standing up at the time, and had to go lay down as I thought I might faint on the spot.

For a minute it seemed pleasant enough, but then something happened that I am still attempting to sort out for myself. I have read with some degree of scepticism the many reports on DMT trips which talk about alien intelligence, alien presence, etc. and always thought that this was other peoples' interpretation of what was going on in their minds during their trip, and that my mind would not go there. I was wrong. To my utter disbelief, and even though I was fighting it at the time (and losing), I experienced what I can only call an alien presence. It felt like an invasive mental probing by an alien force. I did not want to believe in it, I was fighting it, but it was undeniable. As preposterous as the concept was, there it was, posing as truth, running my mind. At the peak of this section of the experience, I was having "revelations" that were so outlandish that I realized I probably could not express them to my friends or anyone later on, because they just sounded too insane. They still do to me as well.

Principally, I had a sudden vision, or I should say a concept or a "truth", that was so out there that it terrified me that I had gone so far as to think it, no matter what I was high on. I was "told" that all human life on earth was merely a long-term genetic experiment by extraplanetary life-forms alien to us. Our very existence was owed to them although it was in their program not to have us realize this. I had been chosen to be allowed to know the incredible secret to human existence: that these aliens had taken their own genetic material and hybridized it with primates found on the planet at the time of their arrival millions of years ago (only a short time in their scale), resulting in we "humans." All human ideology about religion, God, self-determination, and most of all, our perception that 'we' are the only ones in control of what happens on this planet, were shown to me to be a total joke, a delusion that we create ourselves. The tendency to see "Gods" as essentially human models (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc.) was shown to me to be all part of their plan. The catch-22 was seamless and perfect - I had been shown the awesome truth, but of course I can never reveal it to the world because I will only sound insane to everyone. For a moment the Heaven's Gate people seemed to be more sane than anyone. That's when I knew I was really out of it. It was scary that I would even think such a thing.

The experience I had was completely different than the one I have been chasing. I wanted the trip that DeKorne describes in his book, where incredible open-eye visuals dominate, taking the imagination for a ride, one that wrapped unreal visuals together in balance with awesome realizations. But there were really no visuals to speak of in this experience. There was some distortion but that was all. It was all an incredibly powerful mindfuck. I was having crying jags that were not connected to any thought or cause that I could see, they were just releases of raw emotion, as if I was a puppet being manipulated. I was alternately fighting it and trying to roll with it. I experienced time distortion on a scale that I hadn't thought possible. I was caught in a hellish loop that was timeless. I thought the effects would never end. I was listening to as album that I knew was only about 45 minutes long, but each time I would feel as if an eternity - hours, days, a lifetime - had passed, and surely the album had ended, I would open my eyes and focus on the music and realize that it had only been a minute or two! This was discomfiting because it made me feel that I had gone insane - permanently. I began to believe that I had ruined my life, finally toyed with entheogens enough to lose my mind. I began to have insidious suicidal thoughts. I had to say "No, no, no!" out loud to push away the thoughts of getting up, getting a gun and shooting myself.

The news isn't all bad. I did have flashes of positive messages telling me that my own potential was limitless and that all the limitations that exist in my life are self-created, that my genetic material is far superior to the vast majority of human beings and has been chosen for the kind of knowledge that we appear to have been given. But in the end, even these good thoughts seemed delusional. In fact delusional doesn't even begin to describe the state I was in, despite the fact that at the very same time my rational mind was present and trying to process all of it.

Finally I threw up the purple muck and the ride was over. It had lasted from about 9:30 p.m. to about 12:30 a.m. Quite long enough for me, thanks. What has been referred to as "the Holy Grail" I now see as something more like "the Evil Confuser." It's going to take a while to integrate and understand what happened.
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Seems like it makes the mind more susceptible to demonic manipulation.
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i'd have to check your astrologica transits to tell you which day or night would be the best.

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how the hell do you do that??


and yea, this is not a thread for backyard baptists so keep the demonic exorcism bullshit at bay
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DMT seems like the drug equivalent of the ouija board. You are opening yourself up to evil spirits. Avoid that poison.
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better to keep this private, dont let the ego get involved in spiritual mannorsblogging about can lead to ego based confusion
not sure what that means.
I'm trying to get responses from what people think. If anything, my ego is trying to build up the courage to go explore, and not be afraid of being mind raped by some fucking greys. lol


got you, yes dmt is THE BEST explorative agent available.

i'd have to check your astrologica transits to tell you which day or night would be the best.

no ,do not even think ahead or cloud yourself with issues of the greys . thats been sensationalized , sheesh .

there are nature spirits or just yourself to explore ,moreless .... if lucky why not merge with the earth mother or the solar system then universe in a samadhi like event?


all i can say is when you do it ,do not think of what is spoken here or the internet or any preconceived thoughts, get out of your mind and into the being of now
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thanks for the great advice and words of encouragement! hf
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DMT seems like the drug equivalent of the ouija board. You are opening yourself up to evil spirits. Avoid that poison.
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but this checmical is something that is naturally produced in the human body - in the pineal gland of all places!

that has to have some significance - the third eye of mysticism is not just bullshit - there really is some science to back some of this up - rick strassman did some amazing research!

its true that a susceptible mind can be tricked, but to chalk down everything to evil spirits, when in fact this could be a form of multidimensional communication - wow.
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Smoked DMT several times.. never saw any "aliens" or elves etc. Saw two human/clownlike faces saying "you're special" over and over. On my 2nd time trying it the experience ended with a beautiful female entity smiling, then brushed my face with her hand and also touching the inside of my skull at the same time.. i snapped out of the trance and felt a cold wind brush past my face.

I wouldn't leap to too many conclusions. All i know is that DMT kicks fucking ass.. it will fucking kick your ass to the upside of your skull, no matter how seasoned a psychonaut you are!

Divine Mystical Transmission
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they sound like awesome experiences - thats what Graham Hancock said too - about the Female like spiritual entity of Ayahuasca - gentle and guiding and benevolent.
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i think the truth is being revealed to us, one at a time, slowly,, slowly.

i figured out the alien genetic connection when i was a little girl. i've not experienced DMT, it scares me and its fascinating at the same time. i have taken shit loads of E though and i've had what sound like similar experiences, especially with time.
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may I ask how you got that knowledge when you were a little girl?
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one of the most fascinating books I've read is G. Hancock's Supernatural.
It's all about this subject. Incredible.

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DMT and Alien Presence

I have finally succeeded in acheiving the true, undeniable DMT space. It was easily the most bizarre and frightening experience I've ever had. I now understand the true meaning of shamanism - what is meant by walking the line between worlds, tapping into a completely alien source of knowledge. It isn't something that I think I care to repeat. It was simply too awesome.

Several things converged to finally make the experience possible. I had processed 20g of M. hostilis rootbark this time, having had only very limited effects from past attempts using 8, 10 and 12 grams. I figured I was a DMT `hardhead' and needed that much. (Ha!) Also, this time the first phase of the extraction sat soaking in the methanol for a good 2 weeks instead of 4 or 5 days as before. This may have helped. Finally, for this experiment I used a 150mg tab of Moclobemide as the MAO inhibitor. I was very curious to see if it made a difference as opposed to using harmala extract, and I definitely think it did.

When the effects commenced some 2 hours after I drank the bitter sludge, they did not really creep in gradually as before. They hit fast in an accelerated rush, not unlike my first MDMA experience. I was standing up at the time, and had to go lay down as I thought I might faint on the spot.

For a minute it seemed pleasant enough, but then something happened that I am still attempting to sort out for myself. I have read with some degree of scepticism the many reports on DMT trips which talk about alien intelligence, alien presence, etc. and always thought that this was other peoples' interpretation of what was going on in their minds during their trip, and that my mind would not go there. I was wrong. To my utter disbelief, and even though I was fighting it at the time (and losing), I experienced what I can only call an alien presence. It felt like an invasive mental probing by an alien force. I did not want to believe in it, I was fighting it, but it was undeniable. As preposterous as the concept was, there it was, posing as truth, running my mind. At the peak of this section of the experience, I was having "revelations" that were so outlandish that I realized I probably could not express them to my friends or anyone later on, because they just sounded too insane. They still do to me as well.

Principally, I had a sudden vision, or I should say a concept or a "truth", that was so out there that it terrified me that I had gone so far as to think it, no matter what I was high on. I was "told" that all human life on earth was merely a long-term genetic experiment by extraplanetary life-forms alien to us. Our very existence was owed to them although it was in their program not to have us realize this. I had been chosen to be allowed to know the incredible secret to human existence: that these aliens had taken their own genetic material and hybridized it with primates found on the planet at the time of their arrival millions of years ago (only a short time in their scale), resulting in we "humans." All human ideology about religion, God, self-determination, and most of all, our perception that 'we' are the only ones in control of what happens on this planet, were shown to me to be a total joke, a delusion that we create ourselves. The tendency to see "Gods" as essentially human models (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc.) was shown to me to be all part of their plan. The catch-22 was seamless and perfect - I had been shown the awesome truth, but of course I can never reveal it to the world because I will only sound insane to everyone. For a moment the Heaven's Gate people seemed to be more sane than anyone. That's when I knew I was really out of it. It was scary that I would even think such a thing.

The experience I had was completely different than the one I have been chasing. I wanted the trip that DeKorne describes in his book, where incredible open-eye visuals dominate, taking the imagination for a ride, one that wrapped unreal visuals together in balance with awesome realizations. But there were really no visuals to speak of in this experience. There was some distortion but that was all. It was all an incredibly powerful mindfuck. I was having crying jags that were not connected to any thought or cause that I could see, they were just releases of raw emotion, as if I was a puppet being manipulated. I was alternately fighting it and trying to roll with it. I experienced time distortion on a scale that I hadn't thought possible. I was caught in a hellish loop that was timeless. I thought the effects would never end. I was listening to as album that I knew was only about 45 minutes long, but each time I would feel as if an eternity - hours, days, a lifetime - had passed, and surely the album had ended, I would open my eyes and focus on the music and realize that it had only been a minute or two! This was discomfiting because it made me feel that I had gone insane - permanently. I began to believe that I had ruined my life, finally toyed with entheogens enough to lose my mind. I began to have insidious suicidal thoughts. I had to say "No, no, no!" out loud to push away the thoughts of getting up, getting a gun and shooting myself.

The news isn't all bad. I did have flashes of positive messages telling me that my own potential was limitless and that all the limitations that exist in my life are self-created, that my genetic material is far superior to the vast majority of human beings and has been chosen for the kind of knowledge that we appear to have been given. But in the end, even these good thoughts seemed delusional. In fact delusional doesn't even begin to describe the state I was in, despite the fact that at the very same time my rational mind was present and trying to process all of it.

Finally I threw up the purple muck and the ride was over. It had lasted from about 9:30 p.m. to about 12:30 a.m. Quite long enough for me, thanks. What has been referred to as "the Holy Grail" I now see as something more like "the Evil Confuser." It's going to take a while to integrate and understand what happened.
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they sound like awesome experiences - thats what Graham Hancock said too - about the Female like spiritual entity of Ayahuasca - gentle and guiding and benevolent.
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Something coming across as gentle and guiding doesn't mean it is so...
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OP, I've been looking randomly for conventions in D.C. regarding the GLP subjects. I didn't find much, I think the whole interest was supposed to lead me to that convention, but I must've missed it.

Anyway I can find more conventions, or you could tell me how you found this one, to better my searching abilities..?

Yes, I enjoy my DMT, naturally.


i think the truth is being revealed to us, one at a time, slowly,, slowly.

i figured out the alien genetic connection when i was a little girl. i've not experienced DMT, it scares me and its fascinating at the same time. i have taken shit loads of E though and i've had what sound like similar experiences, especially with time.
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did ayuhausca once.

last trip i ever do

I just felt that it was
sacred and not for playing
backyard shamen.

I was moved but,
it can rattle you cage no doubt about that.

aliens would be the last thing I would want to see.
I would shit myself!
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OP, I've been looking randomly for conventions in D.C. regarding the GLP subjects. I didn't find much, I think the whole interest was supposed to lead me to that convention, but I must've missed it.

Anyway I can find more conventions, or you could tell me how you found this one, to better my searching abilities..?

Yes, I enjoy my DMT, naturally.



i think the truth is being revealed to us, one at a time, slowly,, slowly.

i figured out the alien genetic connection when i was a little girl. i've not experienced DMT, it scares me and its fascinating at the same time. i have taken shit loads of E though and i've had what sound like similar experiences, especially with time.


If you don't mind, how old are you now?
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The X-conference in dc is a one of a kind thing really.

It happens once - sometimes twice a year, and incredible speakers are brought. Some not so incredible.

Great ones this year included Graham Hancock (highlight of the show in my regards), and Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and Nick Pope - Ex- UK MOD office in charge of UFO investigations.

I think there might a few more of these kinds of conferences coming up - i'll keep my eyes open. And if theres a way to let you know about it!
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[link to www.cnn.com]

(CNN) -- Earth Day may fall later this week, but as far as former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell and other UFO enthusiasts are concerned, the real story is happening elsewhere.

Mitchell, who was part of the 1971 Apollo 14 moon mission, asserted Monday that extraterrestrial life exists, and that the truth is being concealed by the U.S. and other governments.

He delivered his remarks during an appearance at the National Press Club following the conclusion of the fifth annual X-Conference, a meeting of UFO activists and researchers studying the possibility of alien life forms.

Mankind has long wondered if we're "alone in the universe. [But] only in our period do we really have evidence. No, we're not alone," Mitchell said.

"Our destiny, in my opinion, and we might as well get started with it, is [to] become a part of the planetary community. ... We should be ready to reach out beyond our planet and beyond our solar system to find out what is really going on out there."

Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico, which some UFO believers maintain was the site of a UFO crash in 1947. He said residents of his hometown "had been hushed and told not to talk about their experience by military authorities." They had been warned of "dire consequences" if they did so.
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But, he claimed, they "didn't want to go to the grave with their story. They wanted to tell somebody reliable. And being a local boy and having been to the moon, they considered me reliable enough to whisper in my ear their particular story."

Roughly 10 years ago, Mitchell claimed, he was finally given an appointment at Pentagon to discuss what he had been told.

An unnamed admiral working for the Joint Chiefs of Staff promised to uncover the truth behind the Roswell story, Mitchell said. The stories of a UFO crash "were confirmed," but the admiral was then denied access when he "tried to get into the inner workings of that process."

The same admiral, Mitchell claimed, now denies the story.

"I urge those who are doubtful: Read the books, read the lore, start to understand what has really been going on. Because there really is no doubt we are being visited," he said.

"The universe that we live in is much more wondrous, exciting, complex and far-reaching than we were ever able to know up to this point in time."

A NASA spokesman denied any cover-up.

"NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover-up about alien life on this planet or anywhere else -- period," Michael Cabbage said Monday.

Debates have continued about what happened at Roswell. The U.S. Air Force said in 1994 that wreckage recovered there in 1947 was most likely from a balloon-launched classified government project.

Stephen Bassett, head of the Paradigm Research Group (PRG), which hosted the X-Conference, said that the truth about extraterrestrial life is being suppressed because it is politically explosive.

"There is a third rail [in American politics], and that is the UFO question. It is many magnitudes more radioactive than Social Security ever dreamed to be," Bassett said.
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DMT, Moses, and the Quest for Transcendence
by Cliff Pickover, Reality Carnival

[link to sprott.physics.wisc.edu]

High dose of dmt - encounter with EXTREMELY-ALIEN ALIENS

[link to tribes.tribe.net]

I'm a seasoned vet of tripping. I've been hitting DMT for a while. I had my biggest hit ever last night. Let's be clear about this, there are aliens, and then there are ALIENS. There are aliens like plants, ET, friendly, cosy... then there are aliens made of terror, darkness, not friendly, not cosy. This was no bad trip. I saw an extremely powerful alien entity, he whisked me through his realm, his face right up to mine. I had to use all my years of being alive / concious to resist him. I wanted it to stop - and I've never said that before. I forced myself to land - by removing an offending piece of clothing - then I was back to the normal DMT realm, friendly, cosy, my shaman kinsfolk greeted me. No words were necessary, they knew where I had been. This is all tied up with 2012 alignment on december 21st 2012. DARK energy wants through the portal that opens for the alignment, and represents the ending of the Mayan calendar. The shaman's try to focus GOOD energy to bring GOOD through the portal. The shaman's want me to help them, they say I can tie up the threads, that I am in the right place at the right time.

My message is this - not all aliens in hyperspace are like ET. Watch out. Some aliens, like the dark dude, exist on multiple dimensions at once. The dark energy / dude seemed to be composed of pure terror, negative energy, hate. I got the sensation he would very much like to annhiallate me, but he could not. This was not a bad trip in the classical sense of the term. I did not at any stage feel that I was loosing my mind - but I know I was lucky to escape with my life.

Once I landed back on familiar jungle shaman territory - I took another huge hit from the pipe - and it was normal hyperspace - I think I know why I met the dark dude - I was negligent regarding set and setting and took a massive dose. This hasn;t turned me off psychedlics or dmt or aliens or anything. I'm up for helping the shaman's. Lets blast this dark energy back to where it came from.

That's it. I'm done. Take care on high doses, get your shit together, remove offending clothing, adjust lighting... and most critically, clear your mind of fear.
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Voyaging to DMT Space with Dr. Rick Strassman, M.D.

[link to realitysandwich.com]

Dr. Rick Strassman, pioneering
psychedelic researcher and author of the book, DMT - The Spirit Molecule, discusses his new book, Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to
Alien Worlds through Psychedelics and Other Spiritual Technologies, Zen
Buddhism, psychedelics and spirituality, Old Testament prophecy and more in
this fascinating interview. Dr.
Strassman conducted the first federally approved psychedelic research in the US
in nearly a generation with the compound dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, in New
Mexico in the mid 1990's. Though
expecting mystical raptures and deep psychological insights, in his study he
was astonished to find many of his volunteers reporting unexpected encounters
with strange and sometimes disturbing alien beings with advanced technology in
what amounted to classical UFO "abduction" experiences. Unable to explain away the volunteers'
experiences, he concluded that these were genuine encounters with independent
sentient beings in otherwise normally invisible dimensions.

For this interview, I visited with Dr.
Strassman in his home in Arroyo Hondo, New Mexico, where he currently works in
a clinic for psychiatric medicine and is busy laying the foundation for his new
research facility, the Cottonwood Research Foundation, where he plans to do
continued research on psychedelics and their relationship to spiritual
experience, creativity, and higher states of awareness and perception. More information on Cottonwood can be found
at www.cottonwoodresearch.org.
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DMT is a trick of the devil.
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DMT is a trick of the devil.
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For crying out loud!

The trick of the devil is to get you to believe that you fell and have been cut off from the spiritual realms, instead of realizing it was by design under the orders of your puppet master, your false god!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer." - (Harold Wallace Rosenthal)

"There is no religion higher than TRUTH"

"The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity"

Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...

"Whoever shall find out the true sense of the Book of Genesis ought to take care not to divulge it…If a person should discover the true meaning of it by himself, or by the aid of another, then he ought to be silent, or if he speaks he ought to speak of it obscurely, in an enigmatical manner, as I do myself" - (Rabbi Moses Maimonides)

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