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The Census is a direct violation of the Fifth Amendment which says "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." So is the Income Tax you don't have to file if you don't want to, where is the Law telling me I have to? The is the 16th Amendment that never was really ratified.
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hell im gonna link this post here...shoulda done it before i posted it, still on my first cup of coffee. mea culpa.

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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They came to our home 3 weeks ago on a Monday. My wife answered the door, and the lady said she was verifying our address for the census bureau. She had a small computer or palm pilot type device and said she had to back up to get a good signal. I forgot to ask my wife about the lady for over half the day because I had a person I was talking to in our kitchen at the time and forgot about it. She also wanted to know which of the two mailboxes at the end of the driveway was ours.????? This is pure crap that they can do this. I wish I had answered the door as I would have immediately started questioning her reasons for the mailbox question, as well as the gps coordinates she was locking in. This is a total violation of my personal property rights. Also, they could have gotten all of my information from the county on addresses, etc. I had read previously about he FEMA stickers on mailboxes, so I was wondering if they were looking to identify my box somehow.

Why in the world would they be sending out people already in 2009 to do all this?
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Interesting, this is my first visit to this website and I just had a census worker come to my door 2 days ago.
I don't have a mailbox or an address so she was pretty upset that I didn't have one to give her but if you don't you don't.
I told her she might want to take a look at my "No Trespass" sign as she leaves and she said that the federal government told her she could come on my property.

Anyway, my husband teachs at a college and he has a student that is a census worker and the guy told him that he would not have gone on my property with my particular sign (apparently she didn't see it as it has rained a lot here and it was sort of falling over).

I'm saying this because if you have just a regular "No Trespassing" sign up it means nothing to them. It has to read "No TRESPASS" and it has to have the land use information on it. They will honor that sign. I live out in the boon docks where a lot of people grow their own marijuana, etc and I get cop cars all the time coming out here asking about people and even had one guy that ended up being wanted with a warrant and his trailer was being stored on my property and they never did come and talk to me or anything even though everyone knew I was a friend of his so I had assumed that it was because of the sign.

Of course, no sign will matter if people are fascist pigs and believe they can do what they want no matter what you want.
This lady seemed to believe that the federal government would not lie and tell her she could do something that was unlawful. I'm wondering if they told her it was OK to shoot me if I did not let her on the property would she have shot me?

I'm thinking yes.

Remember about having the proper sign if you want a leg to stand on.
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Speaking as a census worker: if it wasn't for the fact that you can find GPS coordinates for every single house on Google Earth anyway, I wouldn't do it. When people tell me not to enter their property, I don't, and if they tell me not to collect a GPS spot, I don't. It really doesn't mean anything - the quality control geeks will follow up and collect it themselves.

On one hand, this activity is redundant and expensive. OTOH, I found some houses, even whole tracts, whose addresses weren't in the Census records. This means those residents didn't get counted, and properly represented in Congress. Counting them matters, but GPSing is just the government catching up with the big boys (like Google).

Sometimes people complain about invasion of privacy. I *encourage* them to call their congressman, representative, and the ACLU. Thank you former president Bush - this effort was already planned out in 2006 and has "control freak" written all over it.
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The federal government has quietly begun using an incredibly intrusive new census form called "The American Community Survey."

This new "census" form is 24-pages long, and demands that you lay out every detail of your life, including how much you earn, what your home is worth, details of your health, when you leave for work, previous addresses, and on and on. The ways the government could use this information to harm you is staggering. Financial problems with IRS or Social Security records could result in criminal prosecution. Knowing when you leave for work could enable police, under the Patriot Act, to secretly enter your home.
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This is what it says on their website. Not much help though.

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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The people working for the Census aren't "shadowy government agents."


They are retirees, college students and folks out of a job, earning $12-16 an hour to walk all day and update addresses with the GPS device. Taking out your frustration on them is absolutely dumb as they have no added information to give you whatsoever. Whether you like it or not, your house will get updated. They come to your front door because they are required to for "accuracy" but they can just as easily stand on the street and guess-timate the 10-15 feet to your front door. They get paid hourly and personally I think that most of them go to the front door simply to kill time and not because of any desire to snoop on the residents.

They don't care how many dogs/guns/Bibles you have and the folks I've spoken to mostly prefer when nobody is home since they can simply do their job in peace.


Sending your dogs after them or swearing at them is just dumb. It is a petty thing to do and it won't change a thing. If you don't like what is being done, write your political representative, get this information out into the media, but simply harassing people who know little more than you do, is pathetic.

Now if they are on a power-trip, and reportedly more than a few are, you can easily contact the local Census office and get them removed. If they threaten you in any fashion, be it subtle or implicit, if they ask you ANYTHING other than "is this a family structure or business" and "are there any other living structures on the premises", they are going off the script according to people I've spoken to and not following their own guidelines.


You folks are getting upset at the wrong people. I disagree with this operation and feel that it is on shaky legal footing, but they'll get this information one way or another and like I said, they don't even have to come to your door to get it.
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What if your front gate is a mile away from your front door?
And has a large lock on it with a sign, "Private Property, No Entry, Trespassers Shot"?
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For the most part they are told not to climb over gates. There would be no reason for them to do it either. They don't need to access your backyard or any part of your living quarters. You don't need to open your door for them and they don't need you to open the door for them. The GPS device allows for estimating distances and updating maps without actually standing at that same spot, so they don't have to go Rambo-style on your property to update the maps.
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YOU DO NOT HAVE TO, AND SHOULD NOT GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION.


They can ask you two questions by their own guidelines and ONLY two questions.



1. They can ask if the structure is a business or single-family structure(they will not approach individual apartments but map the complex as a whole).

2. They can also ask if there are there any additional living residences on the property?




That is it. Anything else and they are breaking their own rules. You do not have to answer either of these questions and no penalty will fall on you for failing to do so. Their main objective is to update the maps, everything else is secondary.
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The people working for the Census aren't "shadowy government agents."


They are retirees, college students and folks out of a job, earning $12-16 an hour to walk all day and update addresses with the GPS device. Taking out your frustration on them is absolutely dumb as they have no added information to give you whatsoever. Whether you like it or not, your house will get updated. They come to your front door because they are required to for "accuracy" but they can just as easily stand on the street and guess-timate the 10-15 feet to your front door. They get paid hourly and personally I think that most of them go to the front door simply to kill time and not because of any desire to snoop on the residents.

They don't care how many dogs/guns/Bibles you have and the folks I've spoken to mostly prefer when nobody is home since they can simply do their job in peace.


Sending your dogs after them or swearing at them is just dumb. It is a petty thing to do and it won't change a thing. If you don't like what is being done, write your political representative, get this information out into the media, but simply harassing people who know little more than you do, is pathetic.

Now if they are on a power-trip, and reportedly more than a few are, you can easily contact the local Census office and get them removed. If they threaten you in any fashion, be it subtle or implicit, if they ask you ANYTHING other than "is this a family structure or business" and "are there any other living structures on the premises", they are going off the script according to people I've spoken to and not following their own guidelines.


You folks are getting upset at the wrong people. I disagree with this operation and feel that it is on shaky legal footing, but they'll get this information one way or another and like I said, they don't even have to come to your door to get it.
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True...I saw ads for these positions in the newspaper months ago...late last year or early this year I guess it was...only part time..no benefits.

I almost applied myself, lol! Remember, you can answer the door with weapons legally no matter who the person is..YAY!
That DOES NOT MEAN you have to kill...one shot one kills applies when the enemy is trying to take you out...civilains do not count..and these people are civilians.
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I almost applied myself, lol! Remember, you can answer the door with weapons legally no matter who the person is..YAY!
That DOES NOT MEAN you have to kill...one shot one kills applies when the enemy is trying to take you out...civilains do not count..and these people are civilians.
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The problem is if you do that, you guarantee that a supervisor will come to your house, possibly with an armed police officer in tow. You only cause yourself more drama that way, and in the end, your house stills get mapped, regardless of what you do.
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Enough already... deadhorse

This has been sufficiently addressed.

If you've got the nerve..hand the census taker

the questionare.

Thread: Lets Put An End To This B.S: The Civil Servants Questionaire


Census needs to GPS my house?????? WTF!!!

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I almost applied myself, lol! Remember, you can answer the door with weapons legally no matter who the person is..YAY!
That DOES NOT MEAN you have to kill...one shot one kills applies when the enemy is trying to take you out...civilains do not count..and these people are civilians.



The problem is if you do that, you guarantee that a supervisor will come to your house, possibly with an armed police officer in tow. You only cause yourself more drama that way, and in the end, your house stills get mapped, regardless of what you do.
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Well, I answer the door with a GUN pointing OUT EVERY TIME I do answer it. I haven't had any problems as of yet. I don't care about the house getting mapped, it is the the fact that people come to my door...come to my door or ring my phone...you become my play thing.

BTW, those that haven't...check Google Earth...my house is on there..shows the pool in the back, vehicle in the front and neighbors and school ect.

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Is this why the Treasury wanted so much money for ACORN last fall with the stimulus package?

ACORN had nothing to do with the economic problems.
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Theyre gonna map regardless, with or without any cooperation on my part.
I dont however intend to answer any questions. There is nothing they legally need to know that they dont already know anyhow. Let the chips fall...
in regards to this post from the other day this guy wasnt kidding

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from the john galt forums
the census bureau is coming to your front door
an extended family member has taken a job with the census bereau and was telling me today about the training he is receiving. they are being trained on gps equiptment to log the coordinates of every home and residence in the us. not that i'm very surprised but this has been in the works for years just not important enough for us to worry ourselves about.

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All Things Considered, July 31, 2006 · Two-and-a-half years from now, in early 2009, the Census Bureau plans to send an army of 100,000 temporary workers down every street and dusty, dirt road in America. They will be armed with handheld GPS devices.


Robert LaMacchia, head of the Census Bureau's geography division, says they'll capture the latitude and longitude of the front door of every house, apartment and improvised shelter they find.


"We will actually knock on doors and look for hidden housing units," he says. "We will find converted garages; from the outside, it may not look like anybody lives there."


But census workers will add each dwelling, legal or not, to the Census Bureau's Master Address File.


Recent proposed budget cuts have put part of this plan in jeopardy. But if Congress restores the money, the census will end up with the geographic coordinates — accurate to within 10 feet — for about 110 million residences.


But the Census Bureau can't, by law, share that list with anyone, even local governments. LaMacchia says the information has to be treated as confidential. Otherwise, people might lie, and the census wouldn't be accurate.


"People would not tell us about hidden housing units," LaMacchia says. "People would not respond to the questionnaire if they believed that that information would be turned over to law enforcement or code enforcement and become public information."

Mapping Might Save Lives
Shoreh Elhami, director of Geographic Information Systems in Delaware County, Ohio, says this sort of information can save lives.
"Having a geographic dataset that is accurate, comprehensive and current is priceless," Elhami says.
Her passion and devotion have made Delaware County, a fast-growing area just north of Columbus, one of the most meticulously mapped areas of the country.


At her computer, with a few clicks of the mouse, Elhami can pull up a complex, multi-layered picture of Delaware County. Standard commercial software lets her highlight sewer lines, flood plains or real estate tracts. She can pick any address and retrieve pictures of that building from overhead and from the street, along with information about its owner.
The map can answer questions you never expected to ask, she says. Last year, a big storm came through. A reservoir on the Olentangy River, just upstream from the town, was in danger of overflowing, and authorities thought they might have to release water through the dam.


Nobody knew how many people in the town of Delaware might be flooded out of their homes. Elhami rushed to her electronic map. She added a new layer to the picture — an image she'd received from the Army Corps of Engineers showing low-lying areas that would end up under water.
The image showed the outline of the "inundation zone," and within it, lines and clusters of little red dots. Each of those dots was a house that lay within the potential flood zone.


"The software allows you to do a count of every one of those residences and produce a file of those addresses," she says.
Elhami delivered that file to emergency managers, and they quickly called the people at each address. Fortunately, the storms subsided, and no flood came.


Every address in the county is in a database, complete with geographic coordinates so it will show up accurately on a map.
Assembling that data is a time-consuming effort. On one recent summer morning, Caleb Gutshall and Sheri Feasel trudged down North Winter Street, in Delaware, checking each address on this commercial strip and making sure that the county's list of occupants was accurate. They also take pictures of any new buildings. One door was unnumbered and locked. Gutshall peered in the window, but learned nothing. "It doesn't look like anybody's in there," he said.


Now the Census Bureau is planning to undertake much the same kind of effort, on a massive scale, covering the entire country. Elhami says that the Master Address File could be a priceless resource for many counties that don't have the resources to collect that information on their own.
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*cough* bear traps *cough*
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They may have a hard time keeping up with where I park my RV... but thats their problem, not mine.
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one of theses guys came to my door yesterday, im in ohio.
i found it very strange,he was very nervous talkin faster than i could keep up, tellin me he hated to bother me,and it was really strange he told me, he dint want to know how many people lived here or anything, just was here to confirm my address, i just looked at him waiting to see what he said next, and he looked at his paperwork and stated my address, i said yea thats correct, and he said thanks thats all i needed, i looked at him kinda puzzled and he said i would be recieving a package from the census bureau i would need to fill out and headed for his car. i watched him and it looked loike indeed he punched my address either into a pda or gps or something, then he left.. what i found strange about it was i saw this car a few minutes before he came to my home across the road from me, where ther are 2 homes,he did not get out and approach there homes, was just rifling thru some papers in his car then left,about 5 minutes later he shows up at my front door. didnt stop at my neighbors either, just straight back to my home bypassing all other homes around, then when he left he went straight to my neighbors at the other end of the property i live on.. i live on a 90 year old mans 175 acre tree farm,its been in the guys family for over 100 years.
before the man left he gave me a paper which i will type a copy of here.. he was 40ish very clean cut, looked like a cop or undercover,had a us census badge hanging around his neck on a lanyard, anyway here is what paper said


YOUR ANSWERS ARE CONFIDENTIAL united states census 2010
Your answers are confidential and protected by law.all u.s. census bureau employess have taken a oath and are subject to a jil term,a fine,or bothif they disclose ANY information that could identifyyou or your household. Your answers will only be used for statistical purposes, and no other purpose. As allowed by law, your census data becomes public after 72 years. This informationcan be used for family history and other types of historical research.

You are required by law to provide the information requested. these federal laws are found in the united states code,title 13 (sections 9,141,193,214, and 221) and title 44(section 2108).please visit our website at <www.census.gov/2010census> and click on "protecting your answers" to learn more about our privacy policy and data protection.
Thank you for your cooperation. The census Bureau appreciates your help.

Respondents are not required to respond to any information collection unless it displays a valid approval number from the office of management and budget.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2009 is OMB 0607-0809. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <paperwork@census.gov>:use paperwork project 0607-0809 as the subject.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2010 is OMB 0607-0919-c. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <paperwork@census.gov>:use paperwork project 0607-0919-c as the subject.


then of course everything was on the reverse side in spainish
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one of theses guys came to my door yesterday, im in ohio.
i found it very strange,he was very nervous talkin faster than i could keep up, tellin me he hated to bother me,and it was really strange he told me, he dint want to know how many people lived here or anything, just was here to confirm my address, i just looked at him waiting to see what he said next, and he looked at his paperwork and stated my address, i said yea thats correct, and he said thanks thats all i needed, i looked at him kinda puzzled and he said i would be recieving a package from the census bureau i would need to fill out and headed for his car. i watched him and it looked loike indeed he punched my address either into a pda or gps or something, then he left.. what i found strange about it was i saw this car a few minutes before he came to my home across the road from me, where ther are 2 homes,he did not get out and approach there homes, was just rifling thru some papers in his car then left,about 5 minutes later he shows up at my front door. didnt stop at my neighbors either, just straight back to my home bypassing all other homes around, then when he left he went straight to my neighbors at the other end of the property i live on.. i live on a 90 year old mans 175 acre tree farm,its been in the guys family for over 100 years.
before the man left he gave me a paper which i will type a copy of here.. he was 40ish very clean cut, looked like a cop or undercover,had a us census badge hanging around his neck on a lanyard, anyway here is what paper said


YOUR ANSWERS ARE CONFIDENTIAL united states census 2010
Your answers are confidential and protected by law.all u.s. census bureau employess have taken a oath and are subject to a jil term,a fine,or bothif they disclose ANY information that could identifyyou or your household. Your answers will only be used for statistical purposes, and no other purpose. As allowed by law, your census data becomes public after 72 years. This informationcan be used for family history and other types of historical research.

You are required by law to provide the information requested. these federal laws are found in the united states code,title 13 (sections 9,141,193,214, and 221) and title 44(section 2108).please visit our website at <www.census.gov/2010census> and click on "protecting your answers" to learn more about our privacy policy and data protection.
Thank you for your cooperation. The census Bureau appreciates your help.

Respondents are not required to respond to any information collection unless it displays a valid approval number from the office of management and budget.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2009 is OMB 0607-0809. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <paperwork@census.gov>:use paperwork project 0607-0809 as the subject.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2010 is OMB 0607-0919-c. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <paperwork@census.gov>:use paperwork project 0607-0919-c as the subject.


then of course everything was on the reverse side in spainish
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The federal government has quietly begun using an incredibly intrusive new census form called "The American Community Survey."

This new "census" form is 24-pages long, and demands that you lay out every detail of your life, including how much you earn, what your home is worth, details of your health, when you leave for work, previous addresses, and on and on. The ways the government could use this information to harm you is staggering. Financial problems with IRS or Social Security records could result in criminal prosecution. Knowing when you leave for work could enable police, under the Patriot Act, to secretly enter your home.
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This is what it says on their website. Not much help though.

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Ok....yesterday I saw one of those guys in my neighborhood near Hbg. Pa. Without reading peoples personal opinions about what THEY will do or not do I hope there is a freedom site or whatever devoted to instructing us as to do's and don'ts when it comes to giving them info. etc.
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They came to our home 3 weeks ago on a Monday. My wife answered the door, and the lady said she was verifying our address for the census bureau. She had a small computer or palm pilot type device and said she had to back up to get a good signal. I forgot to ask my wife about the lady for over half the day because I had a person I was talking to in our kitchen at the time and forgot about it. She also wanted to know which of the two mailboxes at the end of the driveway was ours.????? This is pure crap that they can do this. I wish I had answered the door as I would have immediately started questioning her reasons for the mailbox question, as well as the gps coordinates she was locking in. This is a total violation of my personal property rights. Also, they could have gotten all of my information from the county on addresses, etc. I had read previously about he FEMA stickers on mailboxes, so I was wondering if they were looking to identify my box somehow.

Why in the world would they be sending out people already in 2009 to do all this?
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So they know where to collect the troublemakers, obviously.
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I do not know if this thread is still being monitored/read however I have decided that I should record this information for reference/historical/evidential purposes. I am checking into numerous aspects of this as well as the possibility that I am now being harrassed. I have just been visited for the THIRD time regarding this, what I will term as "address recording".
Visit 1: First, approximately 3 months ago at my front door(I have now begun recording quotes, paperwork and if visited again will require anyone to stand where my cameras can record them and I will tape record as well). White Female (overweight, brown hair, ~45-50 yrs, attitudinal) who advised me that she was there to record information concerning my dwelling. I advised her that I would not be answering Census related questions to which she replied "You will have to deal with that next year, I am here to record certain information".
Visit 2: I noticed a car parked on my neighbor's yard next door and had remained there for approximately 20 mins. I approached the gentleman Black Male, ( ~40-50, courteous). He advised me that he was checking some information concerning the census. He had no questions for me directly so I did not pursue nor obtain credentials or any paperwork (that will and has been the last time I will not pursue all documentation I require).
Visit 3: Another visit, to my front door. White Male, extremely overweight, glasses, balding, ~50-60 yrs. He advised that he was verifying some Census information. I asked him if this had anything to do with the Census GPS'ing my front door. He replied that there "were errors with the GPS". I said I will need paperwork and documentation. He brought me the standard half sheet "Census 2010...Your Ansers are Confidential" I recorded his name on his "badge" and the office to which he reported. He said he needed to "verify that this was a single family dwelling" I motioned and said "I believe you can see that". He said he was "verifying there were no rental properties..." I said "No" He said (forcibly) "NO? ..." I said "you will not enter my property" He said he did not need to.
I think 3 visits of the Census bureau in 3 months, ~ 1 year prior to the actual census year constitutes harrassment. I plan to contact numerous agencies however that will not include my Senator(s) or Congressman as that has proven useless in the past. I will record these dealings whereever I feel prudent so as to protect myself and my family. (I live in Palm Beach County, Florida)
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