the census bureau is coming to your front door/GPS *UPDATE* 5/1 The American Community Survey.

What if your front gate is a mile away from your front door?
And has a large lock on it with a sign, "Private Property, No Entry, Trespassers Shot"?

The people working for the Census aren't "shadowy government agents."


They are retirees, college students and folks out of a job, earning $12-16 an hour to walk all day and update addresses with the GPS device. Taking out your frustration on them is absolutely dumb as they have no added information to give you whatsoever. Whether you like it or not, your house will get updated. They come to your front door because they are required to for "accuracy" but they can just as easily stand on the street and guess-timate the 10-15 feet to your front door. They get paid hourly and personally I think that most of them go to the front door simply to kill time and not because of any desire to snoop on the residents.

They don't care how many dogs/guns/Bibles you have and the folks I've spoken to mostly prefer when nobody is home since they can simply do their job in peace.


Sending your dogs after them or swearing at them is just dumb. It is a petty thing to do and it won't change a thing. If you don't like what is being done, write your political representative, get this information out into the media, but simply harassing people who know little more than you do, is pathetic.

Now if they are on a power-trip, and reportedly more than a few are, you can easily contact the local Census office and get them removed. If they threaten you in any fashion, be it subtle or implicit, if they ask you ANYTHING other than "is this a family structure or business" and "are there any other living structures on the premises", they are going off the script according to people I've spoken to and not following their own guidelines.


You folks are getting upset at the wrong people. I disagree with this operation and feel that it is on shaky legal footing, but they'll get this information one way or another and like I said, they don't even have to come to your door to get it.

I almost applied myself, lol! Remember, you can answer the door with weapons legally no matter who the person is..YAY!
That DOES NOT MEAN you have to kill...one shot one kills applies when the enemy is trying to take you out...civilains do not count..and these people are civilians.

I almost applied myself, lol! Remember, you can answer the door with weapons legally no matter who the person is..YAY!
That DOES NOT MEAN you have to kill...one shot one kills applies when the enemy is trying to take you out...civilains do not count..and these people are civilians.



The problem is if you do that, you guarantee that a supervisor will come to your house, possibly with an armed police officer in tow. You only cause yourself more drama that way, and in the end, your house stills get mapped, regardless of what you do.

in regards to this post from the other day this guy wasnt kidding

Census needs to GPS my house?????? WTF!!!
Thread: Census needs to GPS my house?????? WTF!!!


from the john galt forums
the census bureau is coming to your front door
an extended family member has taken a job with the census bereau and was telling me today about the training he is receiving. they are being trained on gps equiptment to log the coordinates of every home and residence in the us. not that i'm very surprised but this has been in the works for years just not important enough for us to worry ourselves about.

[link to www.npr.org]


All Things Considered, July 31, 2006 · Two-and-a-half years from now, in early 2009, the Census Bureau plans to send an army of 100,000 temporary workers down every street and dusty, dirt road in America. They will be armed with handheld GPS devices.


Robert LaMacchia, head of the Census Bureau's geography division, says they'll capture the latitude and longitude of the front door of every house, apartment and improvised shelter they find.


"We will actually knock on doors and look for hidden housing units," he says. "We will find converted garages; from the outside, it may not look like anybody lives there."


But census workers will add each dwelling, legal or not, to the Census Bureau's Master Address File.


Recent proposed budget cuts have put part of this plan in jeopardy. But if Congress restores the money, the census will end up with the geographic coordinates — accurate to within 10 feet — for about 110 million residences.


But the Census Bureau can't, by law, share that list with anyone, even local governments. LaMacchia says the information has to be treated as confidential. Otherwise, people might lie, and the census wouldn't be accurate.


"People would not tell us about hidden housing units," LaMacchia says. "People would not respond to the questionnaire if they believed that that information would be turned over to law enforcement or code enforcement and become public information."

Mapping Might Save Lives
Shoreh Elhami, director of Geographic Information Systems in Delaware County, Ohio, says this sort of information can save lives.
"Having a geographic dataset that is accurate, comprehensive and current is priceless," Elhami says.
Her passion and devotion have made Delaware County, a fast-growing area just north of Columbus, one of the most meticulously mapped areas of the country.


At her computer, with a few clicks of the mouse, Elhami can pull up a complex, multi-layered picture of Delaware County. Standard commercial software lets her highlight sewer lines, flood plains or real estate tracts. She can pick any address and retrieve pictures of that building from overhead and from the street, along with information about its owner.
The map can answer questions you never expected to ask, she says. Last year, a big storm came through. A reservoir on the Olentangy River, just upstream from the town, was in danger of overflowing, and authorities thought they might have to release water through the dam.


Nobody knew how many people in the town of Delaware might be flooded out of their homes. Elhami rushed to her electronic map. She added a new layer to the picture — an image she'd received from the Army Corps of Engineers showing low-lying areas that would end up under water.
The image showed the outline of the "inundation zone," and within it, lines and clusters of little red dots. Each of those dots was a house that lay within the potential flood zone.


"The software allows you to do a count of every one of those residences and produce a file of those addresses," she says.
Elhami delivered that file to emergency managers, and they quickly called the people at each address. Fortunately, the storms subsided, and no flood came.


Every address in the county is in a database, complete with geographic coordinates so it will show up accurately on a map.
Assembling that data is a time-consuming effort. On one recent summer morning, Caleb Gutshall and Sheri Feasel trudged down North Winter Street, in Delaware, checking each address on this commercial strip and making sure that the county's list of occupants was accurate. They also take pictures of any new buildings. One door was unnumbered and locked. Gutshall peered in the window, but learned nothing. "It doesn't look like anybody's in there," he said.


Now the Census Bureau is planning to undertake much the same kind of effort, on a massive scale, covering the entire country. Elhami says that the Master Address File could be a priceless resource for many counties that don't have the resources to collect that information on their own.
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one of theses guys came to my door yesterday, im in ohio.
i found it very strange,he was very nervous talkin faster than i could keep up, tellin me he hated to bother me,and it was really strange he told me, he dint want to know how many people lived here or anything, just was here to confirm my address, i just looked at him waiting to see what he said next, and he looked at his paperwork and stated my address, i said yea thats correct, and he said thanks thats all i needed, i looked at him kinda puzzled and he said i would be recieving a package from the census bureau i would need to fill out and headed for his car. i watched him and it looked loike indeed he punched my address either into a pda or gps or something, then he left.. what i found strange about it was i saw this car a few minutes before he came to my home across the road from me, where ther are 2 homes,he did not get out and approach there homes, was just rifling thru some papers in his car then left,about 5 minutes later he shows up at my front door. didnt stop at my neighbors either, just straight back to my home bypassing all other homes around, then when he left he went straight to my neighbors at the other end of the property i live on.. i live on a 90 year old mans 175 acre tree farm,its been in the guys family for over 100 years.
before the man left he gave me a paper which i will type a copy of here.. he was 40ish very clean cut, looked like a cop or undercover,had a us census badge hanging around his neck on a lanyard, anyway here is what paper said


YOUR ANSWERS ARE CONFIDENTIAL united states census 2010
Your answers are confidential and protected by law.all u.s. census bureau employess have taken a oath and are subject to a jil term,a fine,or bothif they disclose ANY information that could identifyyou or your household. Your answers will only be used for statistical purposes, and no other purpose. As allowed by law, your census data becomes public after 72 years. This informationcan be used for family history and other types of historical research.

You are required by law to provide the information requested. these federal laws are found in the united states code,title 13 (sections 9,141,193,214, and 221) and title 44(section 2108).please visit our website at <www.census.gov/2010census> and click on "protecting your answers" to learn more about our privacy policy and data protection.
Thank you for your cooperation. The census Bureau appreciates your help.

Respondents are not required to respond to any information collection unless it displays a valid approval number from the office of management and budget.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2009 is OMB 0607-0809. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <[email protected]>:use paperwork project 0607-0809 as the subject.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2010 is OMB 0607-0919-c. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <[email protected]>:use paperwork project 0607-0919-c as the subject.


then of course everything was on the reverse side in spainish

one of theses guys came to my door yesterday, im in ohio.
i found it very strange,he was very nervous talkin faster than i could keep up, tellin me he hated to bother me,and it was really strange he told me, he dint want to know how many people lived here or anything, just was here to confirm my address, i just looked at him waiting to see what he said next, and he looked at his paperwork and stated my address, i said yea thats correct, and he said thanks thats all i needed, i looked at him kinda puzzled and he said i would be recieving a package from the census bureau i would need to fill out and headed for his car. i watched him and it looked loike indeed he punched my address either into a pda or gps or something, then he left.. what i found strange about it was i saw this car a few minutes before he came to my home across the road from me, where ther are 2 homes,he did not get out and approach there homes, was just rifling thru some papers in his car then left,about 5 minutes later he shows up at my front door. didnt stop at my neighbors either, just straight back to my home bypassing all other homes around, then when he left he went straight to my neighbors at the other end of the property i live on.. i live on a 90 year old mans 175 acre tree farm,its been in the guys family for over 100 years.
before the man left he gave me a paper which i will type a copy of here.. he was 40ish very clean cut, looked like a cop or undercover,had a us census badge hanging around his neck on a lanyard, anyway here is what paper said


YOUR ANSWERS ARE CONFIDENTIAL united states census 2010
Your answers are confidential and protected by law.all u.s. census bureau employess have taken a oath and are subject to a jil term,a fine,or bothif they disclose ANY information that could identifyyou or your household. Your answers will only be used for statistical purposes, and no other purpose. As allowed by law, your census data becomes public after 72 years. This informationcan be used for family history and other types of historical research.

You are required by law to provide the information requested. these federal laws are found in the united states code,title 13 (sections 9,141,193,214, and 221) and title 44(section 2108).please visit our website at <www.census.gov/2010census> and click on "protecting your answers" to learn more about our privacy policy and data protection.
Thank you for your cooperation. The census Bureau appreciates your help.

Respondents are not required to respond to any information collection unless it displays a valid approval number from the office of management and budget.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2009 is OMB 0607-0809. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <[email protected]>:use paperwork project 0607-0809 as the subject.

the approval number for the collection of address information in 2010 is OMB 0607-0919-c. send any comments concerning this collection to paperwork reduction project 0607-0919-c,u.s. census bureau,AMSD-3k138,4600 silver hill road, washington DC 20233.or email your comments to <[email protected]>:use paperwork project 0607-0919-c as the subject.


then of course everything was on the reverse side in spainish

The federal government has quietly begun using an incredibly intrusive new census form called "The American Community Survey."

This new "census" form is 24-pages long, and demands that you lay out every detail of your life, including how much you earn, what your home is worth, details of your health, when you leave for work, previous addresses, and on and on. The ways the government could use this information to harm you is staggering. Financial problems with IRS or Social Security records could result in criminal prosecution. Knowing when you leave for work could enable police, under the Patriot Act, to secretly enter your home.
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This is what it says on their website. Not much help though.

[link to www.census.gov]

They came to our home 3 weeks ago on a Monday. My wife answered the door, and the lady said she was verifying our address for the census bureau. She had a small computer or palm pilot type device and said she had to back up to get a good signal. I forgot to ask my wife about the lady for over half the day because I had a person I was talking to in our kitchen at the time and forgot about it. She also wanted to know which of the two mailboxes at the end of the driveway was ours.????? This is pure crap that they can do this. I wish I had answered the door as I would have immediately started questioning her reasons for the mailbox question, as well as the gps coordinates she was locking in. This is a total violation of my personal property rights. Also, they could have gotten all of my information from the county on addresses, etc. I had read previously about he FEMA stickers on mailboxes, so I was wondering if they were looking to identify my box somehow.

Why in the world would they be sending out people already in 2009 to do all this?