A LESSON ABOUT VITAMIN D | |
| AsperGirl User ID: 658410 04/25/2009 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't take vitamin D directly, the body needs UV-B to produce it, don't you leave something important off here OP? Quoting: FreeFlowNo, OP is right. You can get vitamin D from your skin producing it when UVB rays stimulate the skin for 20 mins or so. Or you can take it orally in different forms (Vitamin D2, Vitamin D3). |
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| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont understand you. Quoting: ID2268vit d3, can be taken oraly, and is bioavailable. I learned that there's no direct vitamin D to take, only sunlight makes the body make it out of the basic product, am I wrong on this or WTF? I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 664192 04/25/2009 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's very important for people to take enough Vitamin D, flu or not. Quoting: AsperGirlIf you are supplementing, Vitamin D3 is the best kind to take because that is the metabolite form that Vitamin D takes after it's already been processed by your liver. Ergocalciferol, or plant vitamin D is vitamin D2. A lot of supplements are vitamin D2. If you take Vitamin D2 supplements or get your Vitamin D from plants, you have to take more. You can get a lot of ergocalciferol from eating mushrooms, like shitake mushrooms. It's best to get your vitamin D from exposure to sunlight as your skin will make its own Vitamin D. You will get more than you need, and also your skin makes vitamin D, which is actually a hormone, from cholesterol precursors in skin cells. This will help move cholesterol through your metabolic pathways instead of backing up and building up in your bloodstream and stressing your liver. Men who don't get enough Vitamin D are at high risk for prostate cancer, and black men who live in Northern Climates have been found to have very high prostate and other cancer risks due to Vitamin D deficiency. Women who don't get enough Vitamin D suffer from higher risk of osteoporosis. Chronic vitamin D deficiency in the U.S. is linked to depression, manic depression, depressed immune function and high cancer rates. >>Yes Dr. Mercola is very insightful. The above is my opinion, not Mercola's. If he says the same things, then good for him. I read medical journals and studies directly. Vitamin D @ Micronutrient Information Center, Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State Univeristy: [link to lpi.oregonstate.edu] IMO Dr. Mercola is okay but he's kind of a shill who oversimplifies issues to push his own products. This vitamin D deficiency information is very common knowledge in the medical community. The Gov't isn't updating the USRDA for Vitamin D under pressure from the dairy industry, so it can keep advertising that 3 glasses of fortified milk a day will give you enough vitamin D. Well I guess we have one thing in common. Sigh, |
| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, OP is right. Quoting: AsperGirlYou can get vitamin D from your skin producing it when UVB rays stimulate the skin for 20 mins or so. Or you can take it orally in different forms (Vitamin D2, Vitamin D3). Then why do we even need UV-B? I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 664192 04/25/2009 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont understand you. Quoting: FreeFlowvit d3, can be taken oraly, and is bioavailable. I learned that there's no direct vitamin D to take, only sunlight makes the body make it out of the basic product, am I wrong on this or WTF? Yes you can take orally but should be take with vitamin K2 . Enigma has a great thread on also as Malu has stated. Please watch OP video . |
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| ID2268 (OP) User ID: 664112 04/25/2009 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, OP is right. Quoting: FreeFlowYou can get vitamin D from your skin producing it when UVB rays stimulate the skin for 20 mins or so. Or you can take it orally in different forms (Vitamin D2, Vitamin D3). Then why do we even need UV-B? because we didn't always produce suppliments. |
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| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah OK then guys and girls, I learned something new today lol ... Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/25/2009 09:00 AM I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| ID2268 (OP) User ID: 664112 04/25/2009 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont understand you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664192vit d3, can be taken oraly, and is bioavailable. I learned that there's no direct vitamin D to take, only sunlight makes the body make it out of the basic product, am I wrong on this or WTF? Yes you can take orally but should be take with vitamin K2 . Enigma has a great thread on also as Malu has stated. Please watch OP video . Vitamin K2 (menaquinone, menatetrenone) is normally produced by bacteria in the intestines, and dietary deficiency is extremely rare unless the intestines are heavily damaged, are unable to absorb the molecule, or due to decreased production by normal flora, as seen in broad spectrum antibiotic use. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 578874 04/25/2009 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I take the Isagenix men's vitamins. They have 400u of Vitamin D3 and are incredible! You can get them here [link to www.govatos.isagenix.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 664192 04/25/2009 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont understand you. Quoting: ID2268vit d3, can be taken oraly, and is bioavailable. I learned that there's no direct vitamin D to take, only sunlight makes the body make it out of the basic product, am I wrong on this or WTF? Yes you can take orally but should be take with vitamin K2 . Enigma has a great thread on also as Malu has stated. Please watch OP video . Vitamin K2 (menaquinone, menatetrenone) is normally produced by bacteria in the intestines, and dietary deficiency is extremely rare unless the intestines are heavily damaged, are unable to absorb the molecule, or due to decreased production by normal flora, as seen in broad spectrum antibiotic use. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Yes that is true OP, seems more common today for folks though. |
| AsperGirl User ID: 658410 04/25/2009 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont understand you. Quoting: FreeFlowvit d3, can be taken oraly, and is bioavailable. >>I learned that there's no direct vitamin D to take, only sunlight makes the body make it out of the basic product, am I wrong on this or WTF? OK. I think I see your confusion. Vitamin D isn't really a "vitamin". It's unique that way. What we call Vitamin D is actually a steroid hormone, not a vitamin, because our body makes it. The reason it's called a "vitamin" is that our unnatural lifestyle of living indoors has created a lot of diseases associated with vitamin D deficiency because we aren't running around naked in the sun every day so our skin can make Vitamin D that we need. There are different forms of the steroid hormone known as Vitamin D. When the skin makes it, it is one molecule that attaches to lipoproteins that circulate it through the bloodstream where your liver picks it up and coverts it to Vitamin D3 form and it is released again to circulate in your bloodstream as lipoprotein molecules, until your pituitary gland signals that it needs more calcium. At that point, your kidneys convert Vitamin D3 to its final form, where it goes to the small intestine and helps your small intestine attach calcium molecules and transport the calcium molecules into your blood. So this final form of Vitamin D is what you actually use to absorb calcium with. If your kidneys are damaged, Vitamin D3 supplements you take won't do anything, because the Vitamin D3 will never get converted into that final form. |
| AsperGirl User ID: 658410 04/25/2009 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, OP is right. Quoting: FreeFlowYou can get vitamin D from your skin producing it when UVB rays stimulate the skin for 20 mins or so. Or you can take it orally in different forms (Vitamin D2, Vitamin D3). >>Then why do we even need UV-B? It's much, much better to get Vitamin D from your skin. Medical science is only starting to discover how important Vitamin D is. It turns out that it's used almost everywhere in the body. Dozens of organs produce Vitamin D, but the skin is the biggest producer. Medical researchers are still trying to figure out why so many organs make this hormone. |
| ID2268 (OP) User ID: 664112 04/25/2009 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont understand you. Quoting: AsperGirlvit d3, can be taken oraly, and is bioavailable. >>I learned that there's no direct vitamin D to take, only sunlight makes the body make it out of the basic product, am I wrong on this or WTF? OK. I think I see your confusion. Vitamin D isn't really a "vitamin". It's unique that way. What we call Vitamin D is actually a steroid hormone, not a vitamin, because our body makes it. The reason it's called a "vitamin" is that our unnatural lifestyle of living indoors has created a lot of diseases associated with vitamin D deficiency because we aren't running around naked in the sun every day so our skin can make Vitamin D that we need. There are different forms of the steroid hormone known as Vitamin D. When the skin makes it, it is one molecule that attaches to lipoproteins that circulate it through the bloodstream where your liver picks it up and coverts it to Vitamin D3 form and it is released again to circulate in your bloodstream as lipoprotein molecules, until your pituitary gland signals that it needs more calcium. At that point, your kidneys convert Vitamin D3 to its final form, where it goes to the small intestine and helps your small intestine attach calcium molecules and transport the calcium molecules into your blood. So this final form of Vitamin D is what you actually use to absorb calcium with. If your kidneys are damaged, Vitamin D3 supplements you take won't do anything, because the Vitamin D3 will never get converted into that final form. thanks for contributing aspergirl, some valuable information. :D |
| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think this is very interesting:. ... In fact, one of the worst offenders in creating vitamin D deficiency is the use of commercial sun blocks. And studies now indicate that while these may prevent sunburns, they do virtually nothing to prevent skin cancer. Research indicates that to get 4000 IU of vitamin D, if you totally avoid the sun, you must drink 40 glasses of milk a day or take 10 typical multivitamin pills daily. As mentioned earlier, a more optimal daily dose of vitamin D is 10,000 IU. [link to www.vitalitymagazine.com] I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
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| AsperGirl User ID: 658410 04/25/2009 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wha? Quoting: A_Leopard_SanctuaryMore vitamin D. will help Aspergirl. Mushrooms have Vitamin D. Vit. D = truth about immunity vs. C. Similar about the truth about bone and calcium = take magnesium and seaweed iodine more and calcium's not as nec. The 'ole royally funded university studies lies grab bag wool over the eyes trick of deceit about our mineral needs. Seaweed is amazing! So is natural sea salt, which has a lot of these trace sea water minerals in it. A simple miso soup with some shitake mushroom, seaweed and sea salts has a lot of stuff that is good for bones and your immune system in it. But there are few natural sources of Vitamin D in the Western diet so there are serious problems with Vitamin D deficiency in the West right now. Actually, with mothers putting sunscreen on kids (and themselves while nursing), we here in the U.S. are starting to see more cases of rickets again, like in past centuries. Last Edited by Andromeda on 04/25/2009 09:10 AM |
| ID2268 (OP) User ID: 664112 04/25/2009 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think this is very interesting:. Quoting: FreeFlow... In fact, one of the worst offenders in creating vitamin D deficiency is the use of commercial sun blocks. And studies now indicate that while these may prevent sunburns, they do virtually nothing to prevent skin cancer. Research indicates that to get 4000 IU of vitamin D, if you totally avoid the sun, you must drink 40 glasses of milk a day or take 10 typical multivitamin pills daily. As mentioned earlier, a more optimal daily dose of vitamin D is 10,000 IU. [link to www.vitalitymagazine.com] correct as melanoma has nothing to do with exposure to the sun. rather burning. |
| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's much, much better to get Vitamin D from your skin. Quoting: AsperGirlMedical science is only starting to discover how important Vitamin D is. It turns out that it's used almost everywhere in the body. Dozens of organs produce Vitamin D, but the skin is the biggest producer. Medical researchers are still trying to figure out why so many organs make this hormone. Ah thanks AG, this supports what I was thinking and trying to say. The excerpt I posted above confirms this also ... Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/25/2009 09:08 AM I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK. I think I see your confusion. Quoting: AsperGirlVitamin D isn't really a "vitamin". It's unique that way. What we call Vitamin D is actually a steroid hormone, not a vitamin, because our body makes it. The reason it's called a "vitamin" is that our unnatural lifestyle of living indoors has created a lot of diseases associated with vitamin D deficiency because we aren't running around naked in the sun every day so our skin can make Vitamin D that we need. There are different forms of the steroid hormone known as Vitamin D. When the skin makes it, it is one molecule that attaches to lipoproteins that circulate it through the bloodstream where your liver picks it up and coverts it to Vitamin D3 form and it is released again to circulate in your bloodstream as lipoprotein molecules, until your pituitary gland signals that it needs more calcium. At that point, your kidneys convert Vitamin D3 to its final form, where it goes to the small intestine and helps your small intestine attach calcium molecules and transport the calcium molecules into your blood. So this final form of Vitamin D is what you actually use to absorb calcium with. If your kidneys are damaged, Vitamin D3 supplements you take won't do anything, because the Vitamin D3 will never get converted into that final form. Ah this clears it up, so inside the body you don't need UV-B to finalize the vit D 'endproduct', only for the skin. Basically what I learned was correct namely that there isn't an actual vitamin D to take, it has to be converted by the body ... Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/25/2009 09:12 AM I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
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| AsperGirl User ID: 658410 04/25/2009 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's much, much better to get Vitamin D from your skin. Quoting: FreeFlowMedical science is only starting to discover how important Vitamin D is. It turns out that it's used almost everywhere in the body. Dozens of organs produce Vitamin D, but the skin is the biggest producer. Medical researchers are still trying to figure out why so many organs make this hormone. >>Ah thanks AG, this supports what I was thinking and trying to say. The excerpt I posted above confirms this also ... This is the biggest nutritional medical problem today, outside of excess sugar consumption. The Government has been ignoring the medical industry's urgent calls to update the USRDA from 400 I.U. per day to about 2000 I.U. per day. The whole "drink milk for your bones" scam would collapse as there is no way they can continue to claim that you can avoid bone and vitamin D deficiency by drinking milk. This is a true government-corporate conspiracy... one that belongs on GLP, but it's strangely ignored. |
| ID2268 (OP) User ID: 664112 04/25/2009 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK. I think I see your confusion. Quoting: FreeFlowVitamin D isn't really a "vitamin". It's unique that way. What we call Vitamin D is actually a steroid hormone, not a vitamin, because our body makes it. The reason it's called a "vitamin" is that our unnatural lifestyle of living indoors has created a lot of diseases associated with vitamin D deficiency because we aren't running around naked in the sun every day so our skin can make Vitamin D that we need. There are different forms of the steroid hormone known as Vitamin D. When the skin makes it, it is one molecule that attaches to lipoproteins that circulate it through the bloodstream where your liver picks it up and coverts it to Vitamin D3 form and it is released again to circulate in your bloodstream as lipoprotein molecules, until your pituitary gland signals that it needs more calcium. At that point, your kidneys convert Vitamin D3 to its final form, where it goes to the small intestine and helps your small intestine attach calcium molecules and transport the calcium molecules into your blood. So this final form of Vitamin D is what you actually use to absorb calcium with. If your kidneys are damaged, Vitamin D3 supplements you take won't do anything, because the Vitamin D3 will never get converted into that final form. Ah this clears it up, so inside the body you don't need UV-B to finalize the vit D 'endproduct', only for the skin. Basically what I learned was correct namely that there isn't an actual vitamin D to take, it has to be converted by the body ... correct the usuable product has to be manufactured by the body. but it still requires source ingredients. |
| A_Leopard_Sanctuary User ID: 664198 04/25/2009 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know of and like and agree with Mercola. If there are no shots then eat I would eat mushrooms. why dont you just look at the link i posted Quoting: ID2268Last Edited by ALeopardSanctuary on 04/25/2009 09:30 AM Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a thread about natural sunlight lamps with UV-B content even if the thread title was a bit confusing lol: Thread: Thread renamed! Natural Sunlight lamps with UV-B content provide vitamin D for those who don't get enough sun ... For those who don't get enough sun exposure this for sure is a cheap alternative if one only chooses the right lamp ... Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/25/2009 09:16 AM I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |
| ID2268 (OP) User ID: 664112 04/25/2009 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a thread about natural sunlight lamps with UV-B content even if the thread title was a bit confusing lol: Quoting: FreeFlowThread: Thread renamed! Natural Sunlight lamps with UV-B content provide vitamin D for those who don't get enough sun ... For those who don't get enough sun exposure this for sure is a cheap alternative if one only chooses the right lamp ... thanks for the direct contribution freeflow |
| FreeFlow User ID: 456207 04/25/2009 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the biggest nutritional medical problem today, outside of excess sugar consumption. Quoting: AsperGirlThe Government has been ignoring the medical industry's urgent calls to update the USRDA from 400 I.U. per day to about 2000 I.U. per day. The whole "drink milk for your bones" scam would collapse as there is no way they can continue to claim that you can avoid bone and vitamin D deficiency by drinking milk. This is a true government-corporate conspiracy... one that belongs on GLP, but it's strangely ignored. Yeah totally correct, besides all the repressed knowledge of severe disadvantages of diary products like much too much phosphorus content for grown ups etc etc ... I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ... |