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DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?

 
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DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
What do I do now?

My wife is crying and mad.

I told her to join me in the fight against this tyrannical govt but she just can't see it. America is the land of the free to her and all that come to this country. How do we let these people in on the big secret without them thinking we're freakin' crazy?
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Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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Yep, they think it's Paradise here.

Reality sucks
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get a job and contribute?
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
get a job and contribute?
 Quoting: dabrute

I have a job but the only contribution made by income taxes is to the bankers pockets. Haven't you ever heard of the "Grace Commission Report"?
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Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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So...you have a job but don't pay taxes? I read the link and I still don't get it.

I don't know about america but in Canada my spouse had to have an income that could support us both plus access to other funds if need be.

As long as she can stay in the country legally I wouldnt worry that much about becoming a citizen. Unless she wants to vote or hold public office.
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So...you have a job but don't pay taxes? I read the link and I still don't get it.

I don't know about america but in Canada my spouse had to have an income that could support us both plus access to other funds if need be.

As long as she can stay in the country legally I wouldnt worry that much about becoming a citizen. Unless she wants to vote or hold public office.
 Quoting: Emerald

Yes, having a job doesn't mean I have to file a tax form with the IRS. Actually, there is no law that the courts can point to that shows liability to pay taxes on your labor. It is voluntary, but the sheep and the juries here are mostly unaware of this.

And yes I did show proof of ability to support my wife and myself.

Last Edited by Mr. Natural on 04/26/2009 01:06 AM
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
get a job and contribute?

I have a job but the only contribution made by income taxes is to the bankers pockets.
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You are now PAYING for that bit of stupidity.


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I think she should dump you and find someone less emo! hf
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
get a job and contribute?

I have a job but the only contribution made by income taxes is to the bankers pockets.


You are now PAYING for that bit of stupidity.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648269

Paying? Yes. Stupidity? I'm no ones servant. How 'bout you?
Who's stupid?
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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Join the rest of the illegals?
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I think she should dump you and find someone less emo! hf
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We already have 2 kids or that would be an excellent solution!
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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I think she should dump you and find someone less emo! hf

We already have 2 kids or that would be an excellent solution!
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They can go live with here. You're already teaching them how to be thrown in jail.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
So...you have a job but don't pay taxes? I read the link and I still don't get it.

I don't know about america but in Canada my spouse had to have an income that could support us both plus access to other funds if need be.

As long as she can stay in the country legally I wouldnt worry that much about becoming a citizen. Unless she wants to vote or hold public office.

Yes, having a job doesn't mean I have to file a tax form with the IRS. Actually, there is no law that the courts can point to that shows liability to pay taxes on your labor. It is voluntary, but the sheep and the juries here are mostly unaware of this.

And yes I did show proof of ability to support my wife and myself.
 Quoting: watchdog



There is the 16th amendment, which is the law of the land. You should read it!
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Soooo, she wants to be part of a system - but refuses to contribute to it?
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

:enaid11:
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Yes, having a job doesn't mean I have to file a tax form with the IRS. Actually, there is no law that the courts can point to that shows liability to pay taxes on your labor. It is voluntary, but the sheep and the juries here are mostly unaware of this.

 Quoting: watchdog


Really? I haven't filed an individual tax return in 15 years...so I don't know much about the subject. But if you don't *have* to pay...why do people?
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
There is the 16th amendment, which is the law of the land. You should read it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 575967

The Supreme Court ruled that the 16th did not give the Govt any new powers of taxation. Therefore, if they didn't have it before, they didn't have it after.

Income is defined as:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.

NOT wages on labor.

YOU'VE BEEN SCAMMED!

Last Edited by Mr. Natural on 04/26/2009 01:17 AM
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
There is the 16th amendment, which is the law of the land. You should read it!

The Supreme Court ruled that the 16th did not give the Govt any new powers of taxation. Therefore, if they didn't have it before, they didn't have it after.

Income is defined as:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.

NOT wages on labor.

YOU'VE BEEN SCAMMED!
 Quoting: watchdog


When you work you are most likely offering your services to your boss for compensation. See #1. Unless of course you have your own business.

Semantics will only get you so far in court.

-sigh- If you don't like it here - leave. Simple. People who don't wish to contribute to a society shouldn't be part of a society. If the government is tyrannical - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

:enaid11:
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
When you work you are most likely offering your services to your boss for compensation. See #1. Unless of course you have your own business.

Semantics will only get you so far in court.

-sigh- If you don't like it here - leave. Simple. People who don't wish to contribute to a society shouldn't be part of a society. If the government is tyrannical - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
 Quoting: Enaid



ohyeah
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When you work you are most likely offering your services to your boss for compensation. See #1. Unless of course you have your own business.

Semantics will only get you so far in court.
 Quoting: Enaid


Well...that makes sense then. I was wondering why people would pay taxes if they didn't have to.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
Get married by a true minister not one affiliated with a 501c3 'church' who will perform the ceremony without a 'marriage license' as a pure religious ceremony.

He should issue a certificate of marriage and you and her and him and witnesses should all sign it.

Then that is proof that she is married to you, and by right entitled to remain with you here.

You'll have to do some research into this on your own as I'm a little out of that loop these days, but try googling freedom bound international, their founder used to speak about the topic.

Good luck
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people."

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!"

“…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
When you work you are most likely offering your services to your boss for compensation. See #1. Unless of course you have your own business.

Semantics will only get you so far in court.

-sigh- If you don't like it here - leave. Simple. People who don't wish to contribute to a society shouldn't be part of a society. If the government is tyrannical - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
 Quoting: Enaid

If you read the above postings, you would have seen one that mentions the "Grace Commission Report". In the report that was given to Pres. Reagan is shows that all you are "contributing" to is the interest on the national debt.

"100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Educate yourself and you won't seem so ignorant!
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
Get married by a true minister not one affiliated with a 501c3 'church' who will perform the ceremony without a 'marriage license' as a pure religious ceremony.

He should issue a certificate of marriage and you and her and him and witnesses should all sign it.

Then that is proof that she is married to you, and by right entitled to remain with you here.

You'll have to do some research into this on your own as I'm a little out of that loop these days, but try googling freedom bound international, their founder used to speak about the topic.

Good luck
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We were married by a judge/ justice of the peace.
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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Re: DHS & INS won't give alien wife citizenship because I'm a "non-taxpayer".What do I do now?
When you work you are most likely offering your services to your boss for compensation. See #1. Unless of course you have your own business.

Semantics will only get you so far in court.

-sigh- If you don't like it here - leave. Simple. People who don't wish to contribute to a society shouldn't be part of a society. If the government is tyrannical - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

If you read the above postings, you would have seen one that mentions the "Grace Commission Report". In the report that was given to Pres. Reagan is shows that all you are "contributing" to is the interest on the national debt.

"100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Educate yourself and you won't seem so ignorant!
 Quoting: watchdog



Wait, you have no rebuttal for their post, so you go on a new tangent that 'the government spends all my taxes so wahhhhhh i shouldn't have to pay them'. Someone call the wahhhmbulance! lmao
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For all the uneducated on the subject, please watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" before making all these remarks. It will make it alot easier on us all.

[google] [link to video.google.com]
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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For all the uneducated on the subject, please watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" before making all these remarks. It will make it alot easier on us all.

[google] [link to video.google.com]
 Quoting: watchdog

bsflag
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Wait, you have no rebuttal for their post, so you go on a new tangent that 'the government spends all my taxes so wahhhhhh i shouldn't have to pay them'. Someone call the wahhhmbulance! lmao
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They don't spend it, they never get it!
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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For all the uneducated on the subject, please watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" before making all these remarks. It will make it alot easier on us all.

[google] [link to video.google.com]

bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 575967

Y'all gotta watch now...
the shills are out tonite!
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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We were married by a judge/ justice of the peace.
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Fine, but that's a state sanctioned union, you can still pursue a union outside of that in a purely religious union.

You asked 'what now' I've provided you with a *possible* route to explore.

Now, it's up to you to decide how important this is to you and follow up on it, and seek the information out.
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people."

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!"

“…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
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I thought your wife could get citizenship because of your "anchor babies"(no disrespect intended)
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We were married by a judge/ justice of the peace.



Fine, but that's a state sanctioned union, you can still pursue a union outside of that in a purely religious union.

You asked 'what now' I've provided you with a *possible* route to explore.

Now, it's up to you to decide how important this is to you and follow up on it, and seek the information out.
 Quoting: Verify b4 Trust

Thanks for the constructive criticism.
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Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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I thought your wife could get citizenship because of your "anchor babies"(no disrespect intended)
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Guess not.
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.