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xp installation on sata HD..... Help.....Please

 
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Go into the BIOS and disable anything that says "legacy support". Your SATA controller must have been an add-on to the original MB. Also, make sure the SATA controller is enabled.

All else fails... install Ubuntu and use GRUB to dual boot and add XP to a different partition.
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Searching around I find that the XP sp3 won't work by itself, I would still need to install XP sp1 first. So back to where I started.


yes it will - I have it - sp3


So, you downloaded the sp3 and put it on a CD then loaded in the computer and it came up and loaded windows?

You can burn a new install from your original copy + SP3. This process is called slipstreaming.
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Okay I have seen this term referred to quite often. When I make the copy with SP3 do I just put it in the root directory?
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"Setup also supports platform-specific distribution disks. A platform-specific distribution disk contains one platform-specific txtsetup.oem file and the related driver files. The txtsetup.oem file must be located either in its corresponding platform directory, as is done for cross-platform distribution disks, or in the default directory of the distribution disk."

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Go into the BIOS and disable anything that says "legacy support". Your SATA controller must have been an add-on to the original MB. Also, make sure the SATA controller is enabled.

All else fails... install Ubuntu and use GRUB to dual boot and add XP to a different partition.
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I've already had a previous storage drive on one of the SATA ports and it worked fine. I'll recheck what you are talking about when I get home from work. Thanks
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I'm really getting aggrivated. I know I have to have the driver on a floppy and F6 during install startup, but it wants to see the txtsetup.oem file first. The motherboard CD doesn't contain one so how can I do this?

any help would be appreciated....Thanks in advance.


You should not need any driver. Just let cd run/load at start. Then create partition and format and then it does the rest...


As I stated previously. The installation CD for XP must be able to see the drive it is going to be installed on. In order for that to occur it needs the driver for the SATA port to properly see the drive. This driver must be on a floppy in the A: drive pointed to by a "txtsetup.oem" file.....Which I don't have.
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well somethings not right - ATAPI drivers are inherently installed which is why dvd/cd drives just work when you plug a new one in for example. Bear that in mind. You say it's sata. Check the cable and connections. SATA drivers are inherently already there - built into the bios I think...
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check the jumper pins on the hard drive. should be a cluster of 6 or 8 pins on it and probably should have a shorting jumper across 2 of them...
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OP - IT IS THE JUMPER PINS. sata can be 3gb/s or 1.5gb/s

JUMPER PIN SHORTING ALLOWS A SATA DISC TO ONLY BE 1.5GB/S THIS IS CALLED SATA 1. SATA II IS 3GB/S.

wHEN YOU SHORT THE RIGHT PINS IT WILL BECOME SATA I. tHEN IT WILL BE SEEN. bASICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE A SATA II CAPABLE MOTHERBOARD SO YOU MUST MAKE THE HD LOOK LIKE A SATA I WITH JUMPERS. HOPEFULLY THERES A DIAGRAM ON THE HD LABEL SAYING WHICH PINS TO SHORT. if not it probably will not do any harm to try all combinations. just possibly you may need two jumpers but usually only one...
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you do not need any drivers - it will work now!!!!
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I'm really getting aggrivated. I know I have to have the driver on a floppy and F6 during install startup, but it wants to see the txtsetup.oem file first. The motherboard CD doesn't contain one so how can I do this?

any help would be appreciated....Thanks in advance.


You should not need any driver. Just let cd run/load at start. Then create partition and format and then it does the rest...


As I stated previously. The installation CD for XP must be able to see the drive it is going to be installed on. In order for that to occur it needs the driver for the SATA port to properly see the drive. This driver must be on a floppy in the A: drive pointed to by a "txtsetup.oem" file.....Which I don't have.
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This is a common issue with Sata drives and XP installs and the lack of sata drivers native to XP even with SP2.

What motherboard do you have? Have you downloaded the driver from that site at all instead of the motherboard disk utilities?

If you need xp SP3 you can use your sp2 disk and a program call n-lite [link to www.nliteos.com] download this free program and you can not only add the sp3 service pack but also the sata drivers to the disk.. it will integrate and make a new XP disk for you that will not only have the sata drivers but also the SP3 preinstalled.. You will not need to have a floppy disk then it will automatically see the sata driver..

Nlite is pretty easy to use and free.
In fact using your motherboard disk you can preintegrate all your drivers into a new disk and then have a full install monty.

You may need to burn it to a dvd as the inclusion of sp3 will go over a cd limit.

Obviously to use the program you will need to use another machine with windows on it. but basically install the program. it will ask you for you xp disk. It will install the copy of xp to the hard drive. then run through the wizard and install drivers service packs tweaks and even choose to pre-enter your serial key. When you are done configuring it will integrate all the additions you have chosen and create a new xp disk with this preinstalled and you have the option to create an .iso or burn to disk.

I do this for all machines in my house. I create a master disk for each machine with drivers tweaks accounts and setup already done to save hours of reconfig. I keep the images on my backup and retweak as sp come along and make a new disk when needed. Save hours on an fresh install and things like sata drivers are not an issue anymore..

If you need more help let me know the program is so easy to use. And free which is the best price.

for those of you who use vista they have a program called vlite that does the same thing.

This does that slipstreaming thing you heard about.

good luck

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OP - IT IS THE JUMPER PINS. sata can be 3gb/s or 1.5gb/s

JUMPER PIN SHORTING ALLOWS A SATA DISC TO ONLY BE 1.5GB/S THIS IS CALLED SATA 1. SATA II IS 3GB/S.

wHEN YOU SHORT THE RIGHT PINS IT WILL BECOME SATA I. tHEN IT WILL BE SEEN. bASICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE A SATA II CAPABLE MOTHERBOARD SO YOU MUST MAKE THE HD LOOK LIKE A SATA I WITH JUMPERS. HOPEFULLY THERES A DIAGRAM ON THE HD LABEL SAYING WHICH PINS TO SHORT. if not it probably will not do any harm to try all combinations. just possibly you may need two jumpers but usually only one...
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Yeah I tried that, the motherboard bios recognizes the drive, But not the software.

I talked to a friend at work and and he said the driver download I got is probably a self extracting .exe and I need to right click the file and select extract only and do not try to do the install....... cause I downloaded the file on my other computer which is Win2K and tried to execute it and it failed because it was the wrong operating system.

He also said I shouldn't have a problem anyway...... So I'm beginning to think that my motherboard is too old. I bought it three years ago.

I can't try anything at the moment because I'm at work and I really got to get back to it.......So I'll let yall know what I find out later this evening.

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there is some good advice already, can you tell us what motherboard it is, i can point you to the right drivers
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I'm really getting aggrivated. I know I have to have the driver on a floppy and F6 during install startup, but it wants to see the txtsetup.oem file first. The motherboard CD doesn't contain one so how can I do this?

any help would be appreciated....Thanks in advance.


XP shouldn't need any drivers for a SATA HD, unless you're doing RAID. OR you have an old MB.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648269


WOW, you have no fuckin' idea what you're talkin' about so just shut it... Windows XP ABSOLUTELY needs drivers for SATA hard drives... If you're like me OP, you have a newer laptop and Windows XP's install CD doesn't come equipped with the drivers needed for the newer SATA's... My BIOS also doesn't contain an option to switch modes...

OP... this is what you do.... Skip the floppy disk... What you need to do is download a copy of Windows XP and create a custom installation with it and place your SATA drivers in the installation....

This is one of the first links that came up on Google... You need nlite, a digital copy of XP, your SATA drivers, and a CD-R to burn this new installation discs...

[link to news.softpedia.com]
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Wipe off the drive with bleech to get any possible traces of virii off of it. If you want soak it in some bleech overnight to be sure. Swine Flu is tricky so you have to be sure!

If you want the RAID controller to manage the drive than you will need the F6 drivers. For those go to the manufacture of the board's site and then make the floppy from the files you download. If all you have is one drive in the RAID it will appear as a JOD. So, I suggest disabling any RAID cards in the BIOS and do as others have suggested and turn AHCI off. Don't forget the bleech!
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Most of the advice I have seen here is probably wrong.

1. Contact you computer manufacturer and get the SATA driver in floppy format.
2. write the driver to floppy.
3. On installation of the XP, one of the first messages you will see is press F6 to load drivers. Do so quickly.
4. As XP is loading, it will ask for the driver. Make sure it is in the floppy and continue.
5. If it found the driver(s), it will ask you to select the correct one and then install.

That should do it.
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Thanks for all the replies.

After looking around the web I find this problem is very very common. Perhaps the idea of trying to get a downloadable copy of XP_sp3 is a great idea. I'll give that a try.
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With another pc you can create a install CD with SP3 and your current Windows XP disk

To create your own bootable Windows XP SP3 CD, you’ll need the following:

* A bootable Windows XP CD (any service pack level, Home or Professional)
* Windows XP SP3
* Bart’s Boot Image Extractor (BBIE)
* CDRom software
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P.S.

You would probably have a lot better luck solving your problem if you access the Microsoft Knowledge Base.
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Most of the advice I have seen here is probably wrong.

1. Contact you computer manufacturer and get the SATA driver in floppy format.
2. write the driver to floppy.
3. On installation of the XP, one of the first messages you will see is press F6 to load drivers. Do so quickly.
4. As XP is loading, it will ask for the driver. Make sure it is in the floppy and continue.
5. If it found the driver(s), it will ask you to select the correct one and then install.

That should do it.
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Are you really that fuckin' stupid??? You come here and say the advice we have given is wrong and yet you post the original method that he used... Fucktard... Anyways

OP, the custom installation with NLite DOES work... I have had to do it on at least 5 new notebooks in my profession
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what motherboard is it?
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Most of the advice I have seen here is probably wrong.

1. Contact you computer manufacturer and get the SATA driver in floppy format.
2. write the driver to floppy.
3. On installation of the XP, one of the first messages you will see is press F6 to load drivers. Do so quickly.
4. As XP is loading, it will ask for the driver. Make sure it is in the floppy and continue.
5. If it found the driver(s), it will ask you to select the correct one and then install.

That should do it.


Are you really that fuckin' stupid??? You come here and say the advice we have given is wrong and yet you post the original method that he used... Fucktard... Anyways

OP, the custom installation with NLite DOES work... I have had to do it on at least 5 new notebooks in my profession
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You must be an f'n idiot. Either that or you are reading a different thread than I am.

F off.
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yes you make a windows xp cd with the driver of sata controller on it your you create a floppy disk with the driver



its like the scsi driver in the old time :)

but more easy to fix that?

install vista in worst case you can browse a cd to find it in xp you just have the floppy option
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OP, I had a similar problem when installing XP on a large fast disk lately. XP wouldn't see the drive.

The solution turned out to be related to the LBA (Large Block Addressing) setting in bios, don't remember exactly but I think a changed it from "on" or "auto" to "off" or "default" or whatever the other option was. Then it installed normally.

It is worth a try.

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I agree and I would slow the bios as slow as you can get.

Could you give us some stats on your motherboard and other hardware?

If the thing still gives you trash, if you have an old win98 cd around. Install and use the upgrade option.

Oh, and other thing you could try. Wash your CD and dry it off with a soft cloth
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For those that are asking the motherboard is an Intel D865GLC........

I think I have the solution, but won't know till I get home and try it.
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what motherboard is it?
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Very good question, also it could be interesting to know the specific hard disk model.

I was literally clueless when I encountered my litte XP install problem I must say. Always worked before, this beatiful slipstreamed XP sp2 reincarnation. Used it on at least five computers before without any kind of problem.

Googling for motherboard model, chipset and harddrive model gave the solution in an hour or so of searching.

I happened to have a rather old motherboard in this case, an ASUS A8N-SLI (with newest bios), nForce 4 SLI and so forth. A really nice MB still I must say but... old.

And I got this nice brand new super fast harddrive with perpendicular recording technology, don't remember name or model off the top of my head... anyway I strongly suspect the bios was not prepared for this kind of a novel outworldish drive so some uncommon and hard to guess bios settings were called for. Luckily I found exactly what I looked for when asking the right questions.

Ain't computers just loveable... when they work as they're supposed to... :)

Good luck, OP.

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check the jumper pins on the hard drive. should be a cluster of 6 or 8 pins on it and probably should have a shorting jumper across 2 of them...
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The ONLY possible jumper on a SATA drive is one to limit it to SATA I, rather than SATA II.


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I'm really getting aggrivated. I know I have to have the driver on a floppy and F6 during install startup, but it wants to see the txtsetup.oem file first. The motherboard CD doesn't contain one so how can I do this?

any help would be appreciated....Thanks in advance.


XP shouldn't need any drivers for a SATA HD, unless you're doing RAID. OR you have an old MB.


,


WOW, you have no fuckin' idea what you're talkin' about so just shut it... Windows XP ABSOLUTELY needs drivers for SATA hard drives... If you're like me OP, you have a newer laptop and Windows XP's install CD doesn't come equipped with the drivers needed for the newer SATA's... My BIOS also doesn't contain an option to switch modes...

OP... this is what you do.... Skip the floppy disk... What you need to do is download a copy of Windows XP and create a custom installation with it and place your SATA drivers in the installation....

This is one of the first links that came up on Google... You need nlite, a digital copy of XP, your SATA drivers, and a CD-R to burn this new installation discs...

[link to news.softpedia.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628872


Dude, you started off badly, AND then went worse.

I've installed MULTIPLE machines with XP, and SATA drives. Drivers ARE NOT needed, unless it's an OLD MB.

You're a dumbass

BTW, your link is OVER 2 years old, things have changed!!



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And the answer IS?

A couple of you knew what I was doing wrong, but I swear it was not immediately obvious to me.

When I used the R repair option on the XP installer and tried to access the disk it said there wasn't anything there. Well finally I just tried to partition something that wasn't there and it saw the raw disk size. Okay, Okay I never said I was good at this.

Anyway it seems that I am on the road to making it work....... Thanks GLP. No one else I asked knew the right thing to say, but you all came through.

I'll go back and quote those that knew what to do..... to give credit where credit is due.

I really feel kinda dumb now.... Oh well such is life.
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I have an original xp pro disk w/o service pack 2. And the motherboard bios recognizes the drive, but the xp install can't see it.


IS the HD formatted yet? If not, you'll need a bootable CD with FDisk on it. Look on the Net for Hiren's Boot Disk.


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Bingo..... although first I had to partition it then format it. Thank You
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I'm really getting aggrivated. I know I have to have the driver on a floppy and F6 during install startup, but it wants to see the txtsetup.oem file first. The motherboard CD doesn't contain one so how can I do this?

any help would be appreciated....Thanks in advance.


You should not need any driver. Just let cd run/load at start. Then create partition and format and then it does the rest...
 Quoting: Mark forever


And you knew exactly...... In all honesty I had tried earlier just to use the repair aspect of the installer, but I had never seen one not know there was something there, actually it seems it thought it was a removable drive and since I had two CD drives and a floppy I thought I was seeing the second CD drive.

But I thought what the heck, so I tried to partition it and it worked.

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I have an original xp pro disk w/o service pack 2. And the motherboard bios recognizes the drive, but the xp install can't see it.


IS the HD formatted yet? If not, you'll need a bootable CD with FDisk on it. Look on the Net for Hiren's Boot Disk.


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Bingo..... although first I had to partition it then format it. Thank You
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