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DO VIRUSES REALLY EXIST?

 
GREY LENSMAN
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IN VIEW OF ALL THE HYPE, HERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE IDEA.

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One man who was a disciple of Dr. Herbert Shelton was T. C. Fry. He was head of a fasting clinic near Burnet, Texas, and was head of Life Science Institute, a college here in Austin that teaches Natural Hygiene. He taught thousands of people, in­cluding several medical doctors and many chiropractors. I learned something from him that at first astounded me. I thought, “This man is crazy! This is impossible!” He said that viruses do not exist! He said THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIRUS! Why would he say that?

T. C. Fry said that so called “viruses” are parts of the cell, they are cell “garbage” that results when cells die and are bro­ken down. There are about 75 trillion cells in a human body. I re­member in school we used to study “the simple cell”. I have since found out that each cell has about 40,000 parts to it (depends on the kind of cell it is). These parts are called or­ganelles. One kind of organelle in the cell is called a mitochon­dria. The mitochondria is a blueprint or template, something like a tri-square that a carpenter uses. The mitochondria is a guide the cell uses to manufacture ATP from glucose, which produces energy. When the body decides to replace a cell, it first creates another cell by a process called mitosis. Old dead cells are digested by a hydrolytic enzyme called lysosome. The mitochondria contain DNA which are generally coated by a double protein sheath and are a little bit harder to digest than the rest of the cell. These mitochondrion (or more specifically, the DNA) are what doctors are calling viruses. The virus does not destroy the cell, it’s the other way around. “...lysosomes, for example, are membrane-enclosed bodies that store enzymes that digest or degrade proteins, DNA, or RNA....The monomers formed as a product of this digestion (amino acids, nucleotides, and so forth) are then reused in the synthesis of new molecules” (p. 16, Viruses, Arnold J. Levine, 1992, Scientific American Library).

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THE VIRUS CON—A LETHAL GAME!

by Calvin Burgin 4/17/97

IT IS CLEAR FROM THE MASSIVE HYPE FROM ALL DIRECTIONS THAT SWINE FLU DOES NOT NOR CAN EXISTS. ITS ALL SMOKE.

GL
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JUST LOOK AT HUGE HIV AIDS CONTROVERSY. NUMBERS SURGE WHEN THEY CHANGE THE NAME, DISEASES DISAPPEAR WHEN THEY CHANGE THE NAME. ITS ALL A CON.

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Thanks Grey Lensman, I always appreciate the perspective you bring to the forum. I wouldn't be at all surprised if viruses didn't exist and were just a fundamental misunderstanding that turned into an accepted truth.

All the same I am eating raw garlic, raw vegetables, raw organic apple cider vinegar, fresh fruit, herbs and spices, green tea, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, vitamins, minerals, flax oil, etc.!
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consciousness... actuality... truth...

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I WONDER HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE BEFORE THE PENNY DROPS. NO SWINE FLU. SARS TOOK A COUPLE OF WEEKS IF MEMORY SERVES ME WELL. HELL I WAS EVEN IN SARS GROUND ZERO, SHANGHAI, WHEN "IT" HAPPENED.

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This thread is proof there is no minimum IQ required to be a mod at GLP.
"While you were hanging yourself
On someone else's words,
Dying to believe in what you'd heard,
I was staring straight into the shining sun."
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Virus:

[link to images.google.com]

Mitochondria:

[link to images.google.com]



I'm not seeing much of a similarity
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SEEMS WE STILL HAVE A PLETHORA OF THE OLD SICKNESS, INABILITY TO THINK, LET ALONE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

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SEEMS WE STILL HAVE A PLETHORA OF THE OLD SICKNESS, INABILITY TO THINK, LET ALONE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

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Thinking outside the box is great. Ignoring the mountain of evidence suggesting one thing and favoring what some guy said on the internet is insanity.
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Can't deny the AIDS fraud has been huge and profitable. The current fear from "swine flu" shows how powerful a virus can be for those in power and entertainment (news).

That being said. To deny a virus is pretty wild. Ebola and her siblings are amazing and very unique. Truly nothing like them on the planet, even compared to other viruses. Not sure how you can come about this conclusion or any microbiologist could knowing about Ebola, let alone the entire Hepatitis family.
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Can't deny the AIDS fraud has been huge and profitable. The current fear from "swine flu" shows how powerful a virus can be for those in power and entertainment (news).

That being said. To deny a virus is pretty wild. Ebola and her siblings are amazing and very unique. Truly nothing like them on the planet, even compared to other viruses. Not sure how you can come about this conclusion or any microbiologist could knowing about Ebola, let alone the entire Hepatitis family.
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AIDS fraud?
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Can't deny the AIDS fraud has been huge and profitable. The current fear from "swine flu" shows how powerful a virus can be for those in power and entertainment (news).

That being said. To deny a virus is pretty wild. Ebola and her siblings are amazing and very unique. Truly nothing like them on the planet, even compared to other viruses. Not sure how you can come about this conclusion or any microbiologist could knowing about Ebola, let alone the entire Hepatitis family.


AIDS fraud?
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TONS of stuff on the net about the billions of loot in AIDS research, medicine for the poor and countless charitable organizations.

There is NO source that can prove even a fourth of the AIDS cases in Africa let alone all. Yet tons of cash is poured into PREVENTION yearly............PREVENTION!!!

Basically, if you are African, and you cough, you have AIDS.
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SEEMS WE STILL HAVE A PLETHORA OF THE OLD SICKNESS, INABILITY TO THINK, LET ALONE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

GL
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When thinking outside the box, one tends to attempt to avoid contesting reality.

Those that do not, do so at their own peril.

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"While you were hanging yourself
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I was staring straight into the shining sun."
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SEEMS WE STILL HAVE A PLETHORA OF THE OLD SICKNESS, INABILITY TO THINK, LET ALONE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

GL

When thinking outside the box, one tends to attempt to avoid contesting reality.

Those that do not, do so at their own peril.
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Doesn't "peril" sound like some kind of food?

Slow cooked "peril" served with blackened Texas Redfish and onion soup for starters.
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Ignoring the mountain of evidence

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TO WHAT EXACT "MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE" DO YOU REFER?

DO YOU MEAN THE MOUNTAIN OF SELF PROMOTION, FAKE STATISTICS, FAKE MEDIA REPORTS, SPIN, AS I SAID ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

BUT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU NEED TO REALLY INVESTIGATE IT, STUDY THE DATA, READ THE REPORTS AND WHO WROTE THEM AND WHY.

GLOBAL PANDEMIC, HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THISP LANET DIE EVERY SECOND, FROM WHAT CAUSE. WHEN YOU GO TO THE DOCS WITH FLU, DO YOU GET HOSPITALISED, SAMPLED, BIOPSIED, FLUIDS TALEN AND PCR TESTS AND ANTIBODY TESTS DONE. NO, INEED, NO WAY AND A THOUSAND TIMES MORE NO WAY IN MEXICO.



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MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Ignoring the mountain of evidence

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TO WHAT EXACT "MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE" DO YOU REFER?

DO YOU MEAN THE MOUNTAIN OF SELF PROMOTION, FAKE STATISTICS, FAKE MEDIA REPORTS, SPIN, AS I SAID ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

BUT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU NEED TO REALLY INVESTIGATE IT, STUDY THE DATA, READ THE REPORTS AND WHO WROTE THEM AND WHY.

GLOBAL PANDEMIC, HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THISP LANET DIE EVERY SECOND, FROM WHAT CAUSE. WHEN YOU GO TO THE DOCS WITH FLU, DO YOU GET HOSPITALISED, SAMPLED, BIOPSIED, FLUIDS TALEN AND PCR TESTS AND ANTIBODY TESTS DONE. NO, INEED, NO WAY AND A THOUSAND TIMES MORE NO WAY IN MEXICO.



GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN

You are calling 99% of all known sources "fake". You can deny ANYTHING that way, let alone something as obvious, exceptional, and unique as viruses.
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NO YOU ARE. PLEASE DEFINE 99%

FYI ASTRONOMERS ADMIT 99% OF THEIR EVIDENCE FOR THEIR DISCREDITED THEORIES IS MISSING, SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL.

FACT IS BIG PHARMA, CONTROLS MEDICINE FOR PROFIT

FACT IS BIG PHARMA ARE THE BIGGEST CROOKS, JUST LOOK AT THE FINES, SETTLEMENTS AND AWARDS THEY HAVE TO MAKE, EVERY YEAR, AND YOU TRUST THEM.

GL

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My opinion is that they do.


But,Who the hell am I?


No virologist that is for certain.
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Interesting.

Mind over matter.
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no, they're a hologram just like everything else in the matrix.
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Thanks OP.. I had a search and found this:


The Monstrous Virus Hoax: The Scam that Made the Grade!
...by T.C. Fry


"Mommy, what is a virus?"

How many youngsters have asked this simple question when told they are sick because they have a "virus"?

And how many parents have responded like this?

"A virus is a little beast so small you can't see it with your eyes. It gets into you and causes terrible sickness."

That explanation is about as illuminating as any you'll come across. Dr Stephen S. Marse, when asked the question, responded like this:

"Considering the virus's size and simplicity (an infectious agent is little more than a collection of genes wrapped in a protein case) it can cause tremendous damage. Unlike other living organisms a virus doesn't eat secrete, or propel itself, and it's unable to reproduce without the aid of another living creature. Instead, this microbial commando reprograms the cells of another organism, making it the virus's "host" or, in many cases, it's victim.

A reprogrammed cell becomes a traitor, forced to cease it's normal functions and obsessively manufacture copies of the invader. The virus then seizes key positions in the host's body and spreads to other hosts-in-waiting at the first opportunity. Some viruses attack and disable their victims with cruel speed. Ebola has an incubation period of just 5 to 8 days, and a mortality rate as high as 90 percent. Other viruses take years to harm their hosts. AIDS can incubate for up to a decade, allowing the deadly agent plenty of time to pass to new hosts before it's ill-effects become apparent. Others, such as herpes simplex, co-exist so well we're often unaware of their presence."

I ask: IS THIS VIEWPOINT SCIENTIFIC? IS IT EVEN LOGICAL?

I've read dozens of descriptions of viruses in books on the subject, dictionaries, encyclopedias, in magazines, newspapers, and sundry other places. This explanation is about as far afield as any.

I want to respond to these statements on a point by point basis, as an indictment. Let's get into a bill of particulars:

1. The viral explanation of disease was concocted and imposed on the world through big lie techniques by a monstrous cartel that owns and/or controls the world's banking industry, the chemical industries, the dope cartels, the drug or pharmaceutical and medical industries, the communications media including TV, newspapers, most magazines, the educational system and radio and, in fact, most industries of any consequence worldwide.

2. No clinical or laboratory research has ever been done to prove that so-called viruses have any modus operandi or cause anything at all. A so-called virus has no nerves, sensors or any quality of life. To do tremendous damage, the "virus" must have physical, chemical and/or electrical capabilities. No evidence has ever, in about the last 100 years it has been blamed for diseases, been adduced to prove that so-called viruses have any life or any capabilities whatsoever!

3. That indeed, so-called viruses do not eat or drink, have no metabolism with which to change anything or generate energy, no secretions, no defecation, no activities, no nerves, sensors or (electrical) nerve energy, no reproductive faculties nor, in fact, any qualities of life whatsoever. Thusly, what are called viruses are indeed dead organic matter consisting of genetic and chromosomal RNA and DNA encased in a protein capsid, those capsids being identical to the capsids of the genomes within the many thousands of life units called mitochondria or organelles that populate every human cell from a few hundred up to 30,000 or more.

4. That, as genomes, so-called viruses are merely the genetic patterns for entitative organisms with all the qualities of life as in bacteria, mitochondria, (organelles) fungi and human cells!

5. That these genomes from cellular nuclei and mitochondria are, in fact, the genetic patterns for mitosis (cellular and mitochondrial division and replication), for mitochondrial protein synthesis, for mitochondrial sugar use (glucose combustion or conversion through oxidation) and conversion into body energy through the medium of ATP (adenosine triphosphate) and a myriad of other life processes.

6. That, when Koch's postulates shot down the bacterial explanation for disease, the medical/pharmaceutical cartel, with a vested interest in disease, as opposed to health, erected new scapegoats called viruses to be fought with drugs, thus selling their nefarious products. Just as readily as they shot down the germ theory, so too, do Koch's postulates impale and discredit the viral theory of disease causation.

7. That no research or experiments have ever been reported where so-called viruses were tested according to the criteria of Koch's postulates.

8. That lifeless genomes do not and cannot invade cells as reported and photographed. What has been photographed are cells conducting eating processes called pinocytosis or phagocytosis wherein they absorb for recycling breakdown debris from disintegrated neighboring cells that have expired.

9. Statements that so-called viruses, without any life qualities, or any ability to move or maneuver, attack cells, seize positions, inject themselves into a cell, command a cell, infect a cell, program a cell, wreak tremendous damage or in any manner perform any act or in any way cause any result are inherently absurd. The living organism always acts and causes results favorable to itself. Only pure chemical unions from chemicals (poisons) pose a serious threat. Dead materials are always acted upon! Only the living organism does the acting. The very statement that "viruses" attack when they do not have any faculties for movement, propulsion, assault or offensive action, and have no energy or capability for any activity at all and have no have no equipment for damaging anything at all, is sheer fiction.

10. That so-called viruses are in fact, genomic cellular debris, the cytomegalovirus having been the genomic nucleus from an expired cell. Most so-called viruses are the genomes from the several hundred up to 30,000 or more mitochondria inhabiting a cell, the population of the cell being determined by it's specialization and function.

By far the preponderance in number of so-called viruses have been genomes in the trillions upon trillions of mitochondria or organelles which comprised the living units of the hundreds of billions of cells which expire daily in the human body. Some so-called viruses are called cytomegaloviruses, meaning they are "big cell viruses." In fact, these monstrous sized viruses, comparatively, are from the nucleus of a cell which is larger in itself than several thousand mitochondria combined. Other "viruses" may enter the portal blood from the intestines where bacteria die by the trillions each day! They too, have genomes.

11. That "viruses" which are extraneous to the human body, are mostly from bacteria and fungi.

12. That "viruses" by the trillions are consumed daily by human body cells that providentially recycle the contents of body cells that die. By processes called pinocytosis and phagocytosis, cells in contact with food invaginate, form an impromptu stomach, secrete lysosomes as digestants and thusly break "viruses" and other materials down into amino acids, simple fatty acids and glucose for purposes of reuse. Minerals and vitamins associated therewith are also reused. The photographs of these processes always show action on behalf of the cell, never the so-called virus.

13. That it's a monstrous contrived lie that a dead bit of organic material, a genome called a virus, can "command" anything to reproduce it. It does not, in fact, get reproduced, but is recycled--it is only further reduced by cellular digestive processes into it's basic nutrients. Should a genome be reproduced, it would ONLY be as part of an organism (a cell, bacterium, fungus, mitochondrion, or organelle, etc.) for which it is merely a genetic pattern. Such obligate reproduction by a cell of an alien genome as stated and implied by apologists and propagandists for the medical system, is contrary to all the principles of biology.

14. That a "microbial commando" is a myth of the imagination of so-called scientists who prostitute themselves in service to an unconscionable and murderous cartel with a vested interest in a diseased and suffering populace. This vested interest consists in marketing medical services, insurance, drugs and all attendant upon that. Further, this interest is in creating mediocre beings who do not think or question, in order that their power or propaganda will be above criticism. The term "microbe" means a minute form of life and a genome is in no sense a bit of life. It bears repeating that it is only the genomic debris from what was a life unit.

15. That the only victims of "viruses" are humans who have been conned into believing such preposterous nonsense.

16. That viruses do not incubate! Incubation is, in fact, the development of a fertilized ovum into a multi-cellular creature. No other processes can be called "incubation" without doing violence to the word and the language. Neither are viruses dormant, inasmuch as only living things estivate, hibernate or in any way suspend activities. Repeat: Genomes or "viruses" are dead cellular debris in the first place, and are incapable of any activities in the first place. Therefore, they cannot suspend activity, and cannot be said to be "dormant."

17. The statement that "viruses," really genomic debris without limbs, flagella, teeth, mouths, and other faculties, can attack and disable a large and self-sufficient cell millions of times larger is irrational, illogical, ridiculous, and in fact, stupid.

18. That the cartel which concocted, perpetrated and perpetuated the viral myth designed it as a scapegoat to accomplish, among other objectives, the diversion of attention away from the disease-causing role of their drugs, the foods of their commerce, cooked foods, fermenting and putrefying intestinal contents caused by conventional diets and practices, condiments, recreational drugs, and a host of other causal agencies in which they have a vested interest.

19. That the word "virus" originally meant and still means merely a poison despite all the new definitions accommodating this 100-year old myth. The word virulent does not mean contagious, but merely poisonous.

20. That, today, explanations of disease attributed to "viruses" are giving way to explanations blaming weak, poor or defective genes.

21. That genomic debris was pronounced to be "viruses" after the the introduction of the electron microscope in 1936. That, prior to that time, reference to them was tantamount to attributing cause of diseases to evil spirits for, other than being referred to as "filterable viruses", there were no ascertainable parameters for adjudging cause.

22. That cells naturally resist and, with their multitude of defensive faculties, speedily dispatch or destroy "attackers", especially lifeless materials that are contrary to their interests.

23. That, upon cellular death, (several hundred billion cells die daily within the human body) sacs within each cell containing lysosomes rupture and disintegrate the cell into debris. That debris includes the remains of around 20 to 30 thousand mitochondria or organelles in most cells other than those of the blood. Because of their extraordinary protection by capsids, lysosomes do not disintegrate the integument of the genomes thoroughly, trillions of them daily remaining relatively intact through the process. These genomes do not, however, remain intact through the recycling process. They are digested and recycled by a very provident body.

24. Physiologists teach that cells are disintegrated upon their death by their own lysosomes. What, pray tell, enables presumed "viruses" to survive the onslaught of powerful digestive enzymes, while mitochondrial genomes die? Especially as there is not and cannot be any differentiation between them, both being identical? How can chemicals discern the difference between its mitochondrial genomes and "alien viruses" presumably created by a cell through a fictional modus operandi which, if true, would STILL be composed of domestic materials created by the cell's processes. There is an axiom/postulate that says that things equal to the same thing are equal to each other. In physiology this is tantamount to saying that the genomes of cells and mitochondria are real so-called viruses are mere ATTRIBUTIONS, really created myths of a medical system desperate for scapegoats.

I hope you can see, dear reader, that this "settled medical question" is merely a commonly accepted myth of medical creation and has no basis in facts. I hope you can see that truth taught in biology, that is that no organism has the capability of reproducing an alien organism.

I urge you to study thoughtfully and critically! Think for yourself! When you accept the prognostications of others, you are liable to be unawarely impressed into their service.

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"It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same--everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same--people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world."
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NICE ONE MULTI- A SUPERB BREAKDOWN AND ANALYSIS OF THE MYTH.

A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE GLP ETHOS OF LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED.

THANKS

GL
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Interesting.

Mind over matter.
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vi-rus....before it becomes a nanobactery
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CHAPTER 2

THE SPANISH INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC OF 1918 WAS CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS

As has been stated before, all medical and non-medical authorities on vaccination agree that vaccines are designed to cause a mild case of the diseases they are supposed to prevent. But they also know and admit that there is no way whatsoever to predict whether the case will be mild or severe - even deadly. With this much uncertainty in dealing with the very lives of people, it is very unscientific and extremely dangerous to use such a questionable procedure as vaccination.

Many vaccines also cause other diseases besides the one for which they are given. For instance, smallpox vaccine often causes syphilis, paralysis, leprosy, and cancer. (See the chapters on smallpox and plagues.) Polio shots, diphtheria toxin-antitoxin, typhoid vaccine, as well as measles, tetanus and all other shots often cause various other stages of disease such as post-vaccinal encephalitis (inflammation of the brain,) paralysis, spinal meningitis, blindness, cancer (sometimes within two years,) tuberculosis, (two to twenty years after the shot,) arthritis, kidney disease, heart disease (heart failure sometimes within minutes after the shot and sometimes several hours later.) Nerve damage and many other serious conditions also follow the injections.

When several shots are given (different vaccines) within a few days or a few weeks apart, they often trigger intensified cases of all the diseases at once, because the body cannot handle such a large amount of deadly poison being injected directly into the bloodstream. The doctors call it a new disease and proceed to suppress the symptoms.

When poison is taken by the mouth, the internal defense system has a chance to quickly eject some of it by vomiting, but when the poisons are shot directly into the body, bypassing all the natural safeguards, these dangerous poisons circulate immediately throughout the entire body in a matter of seconds and keep on circulating until all the cells are poisoned.

I heard that seven men dropped dead in a doctor’s office after being vaccinated. This was in an army camp, so I wrote to the Government for verification. They sent me the report of U.S. Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson. The report not only verified the report of the seven who dropped dead from the vaccines, but it stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of the yellow fever vaccine during only 6 months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given the soldiers. We can imagine the damage that all these shots did to the men. (See the chapter on What Vaccinations Did to Our Soldiers.)

The first World War was of a short duration, so the vaccine makers were unable to use up all their vaccines. As they were (and still are) in business for profit, they decided to sell it to the rest of the population. So they drummed up the largest vaccination campaign in U.S. history. There were no epidemics to justify it so they used other tricks. Their propaganda claimed the soldiers were coming home from foreign countries with all kinds of diseases and that everyone must have all the shots on the market.

The people believed them because, first of all, they wanted to believe their doctors, and second, the returning soldiers certainly had been sick. They didn’t know it was from doctor-made vaccine diseases, as the army doctors don’t tell them things like that. Many of the returned soldiers were disabled for life by these drug-induced diseases. Many were insane from postvaccinal encephalitis, but the doctors called it shell shock, even though many had never left American soil.

The conglomerate disease brought on by the many poison vaccines baffled the doctors, as they never had a vaccination spree before which used so many different vaccines. The new disease they had created had symptoms of all the diseases they had injected into the man. There was the high fever, extreme weakness, abdominal rash and intestinal disturbance characteristic of typhoid. The diphtheria vaccine caused lung congestion, chills and fever, swollen, sore throat clogged with the false membrane, and the choking suffocation because of difficulty in breathing followed by gasping and death, after which the body turned black from stagnant blood that had been deprived of oxygen in the suffocation stages. In early days they called it Black Death. The other vaccines cause their own reactions — paralysis, brain damage, lockjaw, etc.

When doctors had tried to suppress the symptoms of the typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid which they named paratyphoid. But when they concocted a stronger and more dangerous vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease which they didn’t have a name for. What should they call it? They didn’t want to tell the people what it really was — their own Frankenstein monster which they had created with their vaccines and suppressive medicines. They wanted to direct the blame away from themselves, so they called it Spanish Influenza. It was certainly not of Spanish origin, and the Spanish people resented the implication that the world-wide scourge of that day should be blamed on them. But the name stuck and American medical doctors and vaccine makers were not suspected of the crime of this widespread devastation — the 1918 Flu Epidemic. It is only in recent years that researchers have been digging up the facts and laying the blame where it belongs.

Some of the soldiers may have been in Spain before coming home, but their diseases originated in their own home-based U.S. Army Camps. Our medical men still use that same dodge. When their own vaccines (required for travel) cause vaccine diseases abroad they use this as grounds for a scare campaign to stampede people into the vaccination centers. Do you remember the Hong Kong Flu and the Asian Flu and the London Flu scares? These were all medically-made epidemics mixed with the usual common colds which people have every year.

Now (1976) we are being worked on again by the vaccine -epidemic makers in their effort to force another multi million dollar vaccine sale caper. Their con men have already talked President Ford into handing over $135 million dollars to start their vaccine racket. Even the insurance companies refused to become involved with such an obviously dangerous and crooked scheme. So, again the medical and drug con men induced the appropriate government officials to guarantee insurance against the, possible billions of dollars in law suits which could be brought against the vaccine promoters if the vaccine campaign is carried out as planned. It’s a good thing Ford was voted out of office. It’s too bad he wasn’t "dumped" before he paid the poison squad the MONEY’ to poison the whole population. However, we don’t yet know if President Carter will be any better. Will he be held in the grip of the medical and drug dictatorship? Or will he investigate — learn the truth — reverse the decisions and make the vaccine makers return the money taken from the taxpayers under false pretenses?

The statement of the swine flu vaccine promoters to the effect that the vaccine is harmless, is false, and the statement that it will protect against flu is false. Fifty-six people died after the shots, some within 48 hours. There is confusion and disagreement among the doctors about all aspects of the vaccine, from the safety and effectiveness to the necessity for it, who should have it and who should be warned against it.

Their scare-head campaign cry is that the swine flu is like the 1918 flu which killed 20,000,000 people. They don’t have any usable and provable blood samples from the 1918 flu epidemic to prove it. That was 58 years ago, and the doctors were just as confused and inefficient then as now. However, one thing is certain — the 1918 Spanish Influenza was a vaccine-induced disease caused by extreme body poisoning from the conglomeration of many different vaccines. The soldiers at Fort Dix who were said to have had Swine Flu had been injected with a large variety of vaccines like the vaccines which caused the 1918 flu epidemic. The flu epidemic at Fort Dix was in no way related to swine. There were no swine at camp (unless we want to sarcastically call the vaccine promoters who caused the diseases -"swine.")

To add to the confusion, the doctors tell the people that there are a lot of various kinds of flu; the one which the soldiers at Fort Dix had was AVictoria flu, there are other strains of flu virus, and also, that the swine flu vaccine which so many people have taken already will not protect them against the many other types of flu. This will be used as an "out" in case of law suits later on when more casualties begin to show up. The doctors will say that the vaccine failed because it was the wrong kind of flu for the vaccine. Of course, no one can prove it one way or the other because viruses are illusive, invisible organisms which are unstable and unpredictable. One dictionary definition of virus is "a morbid poison." The vaccines injected into the body are poison and cause the typical poison reactions. Virus (poison) does not fly around and attack people.

Therefore, there will be no swine flu epidemic unless the vaccine promoters make one like they did in the 1918 flu epidemic. It will not kill 20,000,000 people unless the people submit to the disease-producing shots. There are also, other causes of disease besides vaccines, such as bad food, which has been devitalized and contaminated with poison preservatives and artificial drug concoctions. There are many more causes of disease but no diseases are contagious(See the chapter on the germ theory).

Vaccine drives come and go as often as the vaccine promoters can cook up the slightest pretense of a reason.n Back in1957 they were trying to stir up a vaccination campaign for what they decided to call Asiatic flu. An editorial in the Herald and Express for August 29, 1957 was captioned, "Fear of Flu Propaganda." Part of the piece is as follows:

"What a tempest in a teapot has been blown up over the probability that this country will experience an epidemic of the Asiatic flu in the fall and winter months ahead.

"Even the United States Department of Health is stooge for the panic — and has issued statements which are frightening the public, rather than reassuring them by pointing out that this epidemic, while widespread, gives no indication of being any more dangerous than our usual flood of influenza-like colds when winter comes on.

"Those who read between the lines even wonder whether the whole thing might not be a bit of super salesmanship on the part of those who are making and selling the vaccines which are being prepared.. . ."

I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC

All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected "seeded" with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.

That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.

When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as the schools, businesses — even the hospital, as the doctors and nurses had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. We seemed to be the only family which didn’t get the flu; so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick, as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours a day in the sick rooms. But they didn’t get the flu and they didn’t bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of our family had the flu — not even a sniffle— and it was in the winter with deep snow on the ground.

When I see people cringe when someone near them sneezes or coughs, I wonder how long it will take them to find out that they can’t catch it — whatever it is. The only way they can get a disease is to develop it themselves by wrong eating, drinking, smoking or doing some other things which cause internal poisoning and lowered vitality. All diseases are preventable and most of them are cureable with the right methods, not known to medical doctors, and not all drugless doctors know them either.

It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.

While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and MACFADDEN’S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of natural foods. One health doctor didn’t lose a patient in eight years. The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors who didn’t lose any patients will be given in the other part of this book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.

If the medical doctors had been as advanced as the drugless doctors, there would not have been those 20 million deaths from the medical flu treatment.

There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against. One soldier who had returned from overseas in 1912 told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why grown men should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine poisoning. Those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.

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"It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same--everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same--people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world."
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Schematische weergave van een bacteriofaag.
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Virus:

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I'm not seeing much of a similarity
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No sane person does...
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Ron Paul says "NO"
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Virus:

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