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Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms

 
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Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
"""""Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)"""""

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[link to www.the-health-gazette.com]




This information was put out regarding bird flu (H5N1).

Does it hold true for swine flu (H1N1)?

Here's the way I understand why not to use sambucol to fight bird flu, why it doesn't work, and can even kill you:

Cytokines, TNF-a and IL-6, are produced by our immune sytem to fight virus, but they would do nothing against bird flu. When the body sees that it's defenses are not working it produces more of those cytokines. Taking sambucol increases the cytokine production even more, which could make the body produce too much leading to a lethal cytokinde storm.

OK I know that's fairly remedial, but that's how I understand it. Does this scenario hold true for swine flu?

Swine flu is a type A flu virus, and from what I gather the tests done showing the effectiveness of Sambucal were done against Type A flu.

I guess ultimately the question is: Do cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 work against swine flu?

Is there a Dr. in the house?
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
wow, this is very important. they say young healthy adults 20-44 died in 1918 cause their system went into overdrive, not from the actual flu itself. so if sambucal increases cytokine , then it sounds deadly for young adults.
i heard eating carrots are good to bring down cytokine storms.

anyone know for sure?
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
There is a big discussion going on about this in alternative health circles.

The only thing I can tell you is take the elderberry extract as a preventative measure. (it actually prevents the flu virus from ever taking hold.)

If you get the flu. Stop taking it.

At least that is my plan for now.

I am going to go talk with the head of an Alternative Health clinic here in town.
If I find anything new out I will let you know.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
OK, I just got off the phone with the Director of a local Herbalist School.

He told me that those negative studies where originally done by a biologist without the current information.

He says there are many types of cytokines and this raises the anti-inflammatory cytokines. Which is what you want to happen.

(he also said that the "cytokine theory" for why people died in 1918 is just that...a theory only)

His opinion is that it is not only safe, but very beneficial.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
OK, I just got off the phone with the Director of a local Herbalist School.

He told me that those negative studies where originally done by a biologist without the current information.

He says there are many types of cytokines and this raises the anti-inflammatory cytokines. Which is what you want to happen.

(he also said that the "cytokine theory" for why people died in 1918 is just that...a theory only)

His opinion is that it is not only safe, but very beneficial.
 Quoting: Master Herbalist 669275



Thanks.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
I've got about 5 bottles of the original Sambucol made in Israel. I have been taking it and will take caution if I detect illness. I have also heard to take an anti-viral with it and you don't have to worry about the storm.

I also have on hand, a different thing called Blockade w/ ViraBLOC by New Chapter that actually blocks viruses from entering human cells, working to target and block viruses before they multiply. Garlic pills are another thing along with oil of oregano that I am taking.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
Read this article from Israel earlier and thought I would share.

[link to israelity.com]

A year earlier, another study showed that the remedy was not just effective against human and avian flu, but also swine flu as well. Of course at that time no one really cared about flu from pigs.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
[link to newchapterblockade.com]

I can only seem to find it at an organic store, which is good.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
OK, I just got off the phone with the Director of a local Herbalist School.

He told me that those negative studies where originally done by a biologist without the current information.

He says there are many types of cytokines and this raises the anti-inflammatory cytokines. Which is what you want to happen.

(he also said that the "cytokine theory" for why people died in 1918 is just that...a theory only)

His opinion is that it is not only safe, but very beneficial.
 Quoting: Master Herbalist 669275



correct-also Pharma companies make lots of profit by dismissing less invasive or more natural alternatives-affects their bottom dollar



If one has an auto immune condition or an immune system that works overly efficient-they might want to back off of it if they develop symptoms of the flu(2 human types, with Spanish, and H1n1...etc.,.

those born after 1967 haqve higher risk than the older folks(unless their immune system is already severely compromised)



Oil of Oregano is still a good option


Guafenesin if one needs an expectorant(unless they have pneumonia symptoms)with secondary infections like pneumonia-if untreated, can be fatal


Vit A is great to help stave off the flu...as is Vit C and please do magnesium or take baths with epsom salt or sea salt...

Take care hf



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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
those born after 1967 haqve higher risk than the older folks(unless their immune system is already severely compromised)



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Is that when they first started tampering with food and air?
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
I also have on hand, a different thing called Blockade w/ ViraBLOC by New Chapter that actually blocks viruses from entering human cells, working to target and block viruses before they multiply.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58109



I used Blockade by New Chapter last year when I was frequently flying cross country. I never caught anything, so I was pleased with it, even though it costs almost $1 per pill. The expiration date is 10/10, so I recently got out my bottle to see how many pills are left. There may have been 4 or 5, but they are all stuck together, to the bottom of the bottle, to the cotton.... If you try this product, be aware to store properly, or use it all in a few weeks.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
If you go to the Sambucol website, they are stating NOT to take Elderberry for the swine flu, since there were no clinical trials against it. Probably just to cover thier arses.

My therory is take it till you actually get the flu. Then switch to oregano. Not worried about cytokine storm with oregano.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
I also have on hand, a different thing called Blockade w/ ViraBLOC by New Chapter that actually blocks viruses from entering human cells, working to target and block viruses before they multiply.



I used Blockade by New Chapter last year when I was frequently flying cross country. I never caught anything, so I was pleased with it, even though it costs almost $1 per pill. The expiration date is 10/10, so I recently got out my bottle to see how many pills are left. There may have been 4 or 5, but they are all stuck together, to the bottom of the bottle, to the cotton.... If you try this product, be aware to store properly, or use it all in a few weeks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 265891


My Blockade by New Chapter is in the little cellaphane things. It keeps forever and mine is 07/10.
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Re: Question regarding Sambucal, Swine Flu H1N1, and cytokine storms
OK, I just got off the phone with the Director of a local Herbalist School.

He told me that those negative studies where originally done by a biologist without the current information.

He says there are many types of cytokines and this raises the anti-inflammatory cytokines. Which is what you want to happen.

(he also said that the "cytokine theory" for why people died in 1918 is just that...a theory only)

His opinion is that it is not only safe, but very beneficial.



Thanks.
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