WHAT´S THAT HAND SIGNAL JESUS GIVES IN HIS PAINTINGS?

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very good question and the answer is unknown to myself as well but do think that if anyone has the real answer we´d all like to hear it.

L=Listen

Its definately gang related.

The real question is, was Jesus a Crip or Blood.

Jesus´ hand is protrayed by artists in the form of a blessing.

Priests will use a similar gesture, in giving a blessing, using the words, "In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

In the Greek Orthodox Church, three fingers, the index, the middle finger, and the ring finger are usually raised, symbolizing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Either way, with the thumb up or the ring and middle finger raised, it depicts the Divine Trinity.

Pollyanuh -

Thanks for the post.

RE: "Priests will use a similar gesture, in giving a blessing, using the words, "In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

In the Greek Orthodox Church, three fingers, the index, the middle finger, and the ring finger are usually raised, symbolizing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

Yes, but why form the "X"? Does the first finger defeat or overcome the middle finger? What does it symbolize? If it was the trinity, does it imply the blending or entwining of the two strands? For the trinity to become a double form? That two of the trinity unite and become one? Is this the alchemical wedding?

It´s mostly shown in connection with this sacred heart concept. Is it a hand position one should use in meditation? Or in life?

It´s difficult to get that first finger over the middle.

is it this?

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You said: >>"Yes, but why form the "X"? Does the first finger defeat or overcome the middle finger? What does it symbolize? If it was the trinity, does it imply the blending or entwining of the two strands? For the trinity to become a double form? That two of the trinity unite and become one? Is this the alchemical wedding?"<<

Sometimes I think we read more into a painting, situation or event, than is warranted. MHO, only.

If you hold your hand in the form of that blessing, the hand "feels" as though it is in a relaxed and normal position.

To recap, in the Roman Catholic Church, the first finger (index) and middle fingers are raised with the thumb just slightly extended, and the Greek Orthodox use the index, middle, and ring fingers.

What you see as an x is only the angle from which the artist is portraying His Hand. The fingers are, in actuality, close to upright.

Pollyannuh -

RE: "Sometimes I think we read more into a painting, situation or event, than is warranted. MHO, only."

True sometimes we do. And sometimes things are esoteric hence gang signs.

Given Jesus´ background, we know that hand position is everything. So for artists to portray him in this manner, well, it´s important. Plus it´s not that easily done. Your hand doesn´t naturally relax. Your first finger doesn´t just casually bend backwards covering your middle finger. It has to be purposeful. Like the "hook ´em" sign. It´s not a relaxed hand position.

In terms of the "X" an "X" is a cross is it not? Isn´t that what Christ spoke of? A cross to bear? So conversely does this speak of this cross or two strands that need to "uncross" in order to generate the proper outcome?

Anyway, my opinion and my intuition tells me this is important. Maybe because I´ve read of the Hebrew´s importance of the hand and hand position. Of its connection with language. Of how you speak or say the vowel or letter and then make the appropriate hand "sign" to go with it. It´s a lost art or maybe an esoteric one.

There´s also mudras in yoga. Hand position is so very important to what you´re doing. As concerns the normal prayer hand position, we have this:

[link to www.yogajournal.com]


"If you have attended even one yoga class, it is a familiar gesture: the drawing together of one´s palms at the heart. Your teacher may bring his or her hands together while saying "Namaste" at the beginning or end of a class. You may find this gesture within certain asanas—in Tadasana (Mountain Pose), before you begin Sun Salutations, or in balance poses such as Vrksasana (Tree Pose). This sacred hand position, called anjali mudra (AHN-jah-lee MOO-dra), is found throughout Asia and has become synonymous with our images of the East, from the smiling face of the Dalai Lama peering over his fingertips to images of devotees before a Hindu or Buddhist altar.

In the West, we translate this gesture as a posture of prayer. Because we have grown up with this gesture as part of our culture, each of us probably has our own personal connection to this mudra—positive or negative. Some of us may find a subconscious resistance to bringing our hands together as if it were a sign of submission. However, the beauty of this gesture, which positions us right at the core of our being, is timeless and universal. I know a 3-year-old who is delighted to greet people this way and an actor who prepares himself with this gesture before entering the stage. As we explore the significance and potential of this mudra, be open to your own experience and ways that this simple yet powerful hand position can be a practical tool in your practice and daily life. In Sanskrit, mudra means "seal" or "sign" and refers not only to sacred hand gestures but also whole body positions that elicit a certain inner state or symbolize a particular meaning. Anjali mudra is but one of thousands of types of mudras that are used in Hindu rituals, classical dance, and yoga. Anjali itself means "offering," and in India this mudra is often accompanied by the word "namaste" (or "namaskar," depending on one´s dialect). As the consummate Indian greeting, like a sacred hello, namaste is often translated as "I bow to the divinity within you from the divinity within me." This salutation is at the essence of the yogic practice of seeing the Divine within all of creation. Hence, this gesture is offered equally to temple deities, teachers, family, friends, strangers, and before sacred rivers and trees. Anjali mudra is used as a posture of composure, of returning to one´s heart, whether you are greeting someone or saying goodbye, initiating or completing an action. As you bring your hands together at your center, you are literally connecting the right and left hemispheres of your brain. This is the yogic process of unification, the yoking of our active and receptive natures. In the yogic view of the body, the energetic or spiritual heart is visualized as a lotus at the center of the chest. Anjali mudra nourishes this lotus heart with awareness, gently encouraging it to open as water and light do a flower."

Of course, others may disagree with this, but it´s a glimpse into a whole world of thinking behind the simple gestures we take for granted.

I´ve very attuned to these things. Don´t know why. Don´t know what they mean. Just notice them.

We always need to begin by simple observation.

I believe it has something to do with roughing the kicker. We still use it today in the game of football.

Anonymer, I realize I was not clear in my description.

If you were to look at Jesus´ Hand, straight on, what you would see is the hand with either two or three fingers raised.

The fingers do NOT cross. What you see from a side angle is a slight x at the bent of the first digit on the finger.

There is no "x". It´s just the perspective of the painter.

Interesting info on yoga.

Also, regarding prayer, Pope John Paul, St. Pio, formerly Padre Pio, recently cannonized, pray/ed on their knees, at a kneeler. There is a top to the kneeler, a sort of little shelf on which one can rest their arms, around waist high when kneeling. Both the Pope (perhaps other Popes, too) and St. Pio recomended placing the hand on the side of the face with the thumb under the chin and the fingers extended up over the eyebrows. This manner effected solitude and concentration in prayer. I submit that the same posture would work for meditation, too.

It´s the Vulcan "live long and prosper" sign

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Pollyannuh -

RE: "The fingers do NOT cross. What you see from a side angle is a slight x at the bent of the first digit on the finger.

There is no "x". It´s just the perspective of the painter."

I can see I was not clear. Perhaps it was the painting I chose to link. There are some by old masters that clearly show, JESUS FORMS AN X WITH THESE TWO FINGERS. The fingers are definitively crossed. That´s the entire point of this thread. If it was a matter of perspective I wouldn´t bother to bring this up.

There was a link I gave once upon a time that I didn´t save. I don´t even remember the master that painted it. But it is the best example of this hand position.

Sorry to have confused you.

there are no pictures of the real Jesus. The hand sign probably is a Cahtolic thing. They are into images, idols, mysticism, etc. There is no record in the Bible of Jesus making any special hand signs. Remember, the "Jesus" many talk of is not the Jesus of the Bible. THe Jesus of the BIble is SO much more interesting, truthful, loving, and just than the image that is commonly shown. I think if more people read their Bible for themselves an ddiscovered the real Jesus, the skepticism from those who have never read it would disappear

Could it be the hand sign for Planet X???

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RE: "That isn´t a hand signal Jesus is giving, it´s a hand signal the luciferian catholics gave him and all the other "saints". It supposed to represent a trident is what I once read. Two fingers and a thumb extended the other three fingers folded into the palm."

There aren´t three fingers folded into the palm. He gives a signal with only two fingers folded into the palm. The middle finger is up with the first finger folded or crossed over it. The first finger is therefore going in the direction of the pinkie and not the thumb.

Like I said, it´s very difficult to get your hand in this position. I´ve tried. I generally need to just "push" the stupid first finger over the middle to get it properly positioned.

It´s a half-shocker.
He only presents two for the cooter and none for the pooter unless he wants to use his thumb, but that isn´t keeping tradition.

Okay, decided to try the Kabbalah for an answer.

First, the right hand. Came across this:

[link to www.inner.org]

´Thus we find the general teaching of our sages: "the left hand should always repel and the right hand bring near." ´

Okay, so Jesus was using his right hand and bringing us near.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... found something on this green blue thing. Brought this up in another post.

[link to www.inner.org]

"In general, when we speak of the color of the eye--which distinguishes one individual from another--we refer to the color of the iris. Here, one is either blue-eyed, brown-eyed, or green-eyed, with various shades in between. In the terminology of the Torah, all of these colors are considered to be shades of a general color referred to as "yellow-green" (yarok).

The particular color of each individual´s eyes reflects the vav of the Name Havayah and corresponds to the central power of the mind, knowledge (da´at). Our sages teach that it is each individual´s da´at that distinguishes his personality from another´s: "Just as each individual´s face is unlike another´s, so is each individual´s da´at unlike another´s." Here, the particular color of the eye varies from individual to individual.

Da’at is referred to as the "key" that opens all of the chambers of the heart, the six emotive powers from chesed ("lovingkindness") to yesod ("truth," "faithfulness," and "devotion"). These in turn correspond to the full spectrum of the colors of the rainbow. With respect to the particular colors of the eye, the various shades of blue correspond to the heart’s right axis, chesed ("lovingkindness") and netzach ("victory," "confidence"); the various shades of brown correspond to the heart’s left axis, gevurah ("might," "awe") and hod ("thanksgiving," "glory"); the various shades of yellow-green correspond to the heart´s middle axis, tiferet ("beauty," "mercy") and yesod."

Hmmmm... have no idea what this means. But "blue" is an outgrowth of the right axis. The green to the heart´s middle axis. - Tiferet or Christ.

Then why is His color blue?

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Look at this:

[link to www.inner.org]

"The Wolf

In addition to the wolf symbolizing the Egyptian exile, as in the Talmudic passage quoted above, the evil "wolf" (ze´ev) of the Bible is personified as the name of the second of the two ministers of Midian killed in the war that Gideon fought against Midian, as recorded in the book of Judges. The name of the first minister was "raven" (orev). As stated of the wolf, the raven also symbolizes strong sexual impulses.

Etymologically, the word "raven" is related to the word for "ambush" (orev). Thus, in particular, the raven, the first evil force of Midian, represents the ambush of the rapist, while the wolf, the subsequent evil force of Midian, represents the rapist’s assault. The fear of rape includes the fear of both the raven and the wolf.

The initial letters of the two ministers of Midian, Orev and Ze´ev, spell the word for "goat" (eiz) or "bold" (az; both eiz and az are spelled ayin, zayin). The evil goat symbolizes a demon in the Torah. The combined origins of the raven and the wolf is a demonic goat. As explained above, the fear of rape may be generalized to refer to the fear of any compulsory invasion of oneself by something other than oneself. Invasion into the private domain is symbolized by the goat.

The word "bold" alludes to yet another animal. Our sages teach (and so begins the Code of Jewish Law, as will be mentioned below with regard to the lion): "Be as bold as a leopard." The commentaries explain that the difference between the boldness of a leopard and the courage of a lion is that whereas the lion senses his innate physical strength and rule over all creatures of the field, the leopard is audaciously brazen, above and beyond the measure of his physical strength. This is what is meant by boldness (and so in the domestic realm, the goat--more than any other domestic animal--exhibits the property of boldness, after which it is named). So is the rapist bold, while the murderer is strong.

These two ministers, Ze´ev and Orev, served the two kings of Midian, Zevach and Tzalmona. The name Zevach, which means "to slaughter," begins with the two primary letters of Ze´ev (zayin-veit). Rape is a form of "slaughtering," as will be further explained. Orev serves, in particular, Tzalmona, whose name means "a moving shadow-image"--"the shadows of evening" (we will presently see that the name Orev derives from the root meaning "evening"). Sexual lust as well as the fear of sexual abuse epitomize the psychological state of the unrectified "power of imagination" (personified by Tzalmona and his minister Orev, the moving shadow-image of evening) as explained at length in our book, The Mystery of Marriage.

Gideon and his troops succeeded, with the aid of God, to eradicate (and ultimately rectify) all four of these evil forces."

Very interesting! Absolutely nothing to do with what the post is about



but compelling nonetheless.

Here are several links to more paintings of Jesus. You´ll notice the first one is painted from directly in front, and shows the Hand raised in blessing, as do the others but with the Hand turned.

[link to www.artsstudio.com]

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[link to www.monksofadoration.org]

Statues

[link to www.pacificheritage.com]

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[link to www.pacificheritage.com]

I also found text regarding the hand gesture at:

[link to www.palmerchurch.org]

>>"Jesus’ right hand is raised in the traditional gesture of blessing: the thumb and first two fingers are raised, with the fourth and fifth held down. The three fingers are considered to symbolize the Trinity: the thumb as the strongest = the Father; the middle finger as the tallest = the Son (who for us is the chief person of the Trinity), and the forefinger, that unites the others = the Holy Spirit. The fourth and fifth fingers were emblematic of the two natures of Christ, as human and divine."<<

I hope this helps!

That signal means he likes the tune. When he points his finger straight up in the air and starts to jump up and down, you know he´s lovin´ it!

How did Clinton hold the soggy cigar he stuck up Monicas twat?

Pollyannuh -

Thanks for the prolific amount of links. Clicked on the first couple of sites and see that they don´t show the position of the hand I´m talking about. They show the hand position you´re talking about.

Please look on this site:

[link to biblia.com]

Okay, at the top there a really lousy, pretty cheesey picture of Jesus and Mary. If you go to the second picture down on the left - you will see the tips of Jesus´s fingers "crossing" or touching. (I believe you call this perspective.) But if you go down one to the bottom cheesey picture of Jesus and Mary, you will see him giving the sign you´re talking about. The one the Pope gives. In this the first knuckle of his first and second finger are "touching" or the middle finger bends while his first finger is more or less straight up.

These are two different positions. I just can´t find that painting I´m talking about. It was done by an old master and is beautifully painted. This guy knew what he was doing and perspective doesn´t make fingers appear to cross. You either draw them that way or you don´t.

I´m still looking for the Kabbalah´s interpretation of the fingers of the right hand. It might hold a clue.

Wow! This site is really wonderful!

[link to www.inner.org]

"The Healing of Body and Soul

Part 30

The Origins of Disease

The Three Foci of Fear

The origins of disease can be traced to the three foci of fear or core traumas in the human psyche, which according to the Talmud are symbolized by the wolf, the lion, and the snake. For the collective consciousness of the Jewish people the focus of fear is the fear of exile, the communal state of disease, as explained at length above. The Talmud likens the three major exiles of the Jewish people--Egyptian, Babylonian, and present (the exile of Edom)--to a man being attacked by a wolf, a lion, and a snake, respectively:

A man was on a journey and a wolf attacked him, but he escaped unharmed. Continuing his journey, he told the story of the wolf until a lion attacked him and he escaped unharmed. Continuing his journey, he told the story of the lion until a snake attacked him and he escaped unharmed. He then forgot about the first two assaults and told only the story of the snake.

So it is with Israel: their more recent troubles make them forget their earlier troubles.

While all of these fears are ultimately the fear of death, in particular each one fears death from another "angle." The first, the fear of the wolf, is associated in particular with the fear of rape or any form of sexual molestation. In the desert, the Jewish people succumbed to the sexual temptation of the Moabite women and were punished by a plague that claimed 24,000 lives. Here, the evil inclination of lust for sex reached it apex. In the Torah, we are taught that Divine punishment reflects the nature of the sin. Our sages liken the punishment of this sin to a wolf entering and devouring a flock of sheep, explicitly relating the wolf-image to "prostitution."

From this, we may understand that sexual lust as well as the fear of sexual abuse relates to the image of the wolf (threatening the sheep).

The fear of rape refers in an extended way to any compulsory invasion of oneself by something other than oneself. This fear of the other forcing himself upon oneself exists on all levels, both physically and psychologically. While primarily a feminine manifestation of fear, the fear of the wolf and all of its implications can also manifest itself in the male--a man can also possess to a certain degree the fear of rape. The labeling of this fear as feminine only refers to the fact that is more predominant and pronounced in women. Finally, the association of the wolf to the rapist is not restricted to the Talmud, but can be found in modern media as well where the rapist is often symbolized as a wolf.

The lion is linked to the primal fear of murder. A person who is faced with the attack of a lion will feel intense panic in his heart, fearing that he will be consumed by the lion who will devour his flesh.

The snake represents the fear of insanity, in which the venom of the snake goes directly to the brain. We find that (temporary) insanity is the cause of all sin--losing one´s mind or a loss of attention to one´s deeds opens up the possibility of sin, for if a person were truly to know what he was doing, would he be aware of the implications and consequences of his act, he would never sin. In the words of our sages, "no one commits a sin unless he has been overtaken by temporary insanity [literally, ´a spirit of folly´]."

This is alluded to in the Talmudic passage quoted above, in which the man on the journey forgets his previous traumas only when attacked by the snake (it is not stated that he forgets the story of the wolf when attacked by the lion); only the trauma of the snake directly affects the mind to the extent that all previous impressions are blotted out.

To summarize:

snake - fear of insanity

lion - fear of murder

wolf - fear of rape"

It was the "peace sign" of his day.
There were many Jews that did not want to infuriate their Roman occupiers, because that would lead to a disaterous slaughter (which it did).
So the used the hand sign between brothers, actually Jesus was the top peacenik of the day.