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MUST READ!!! Former Police Officer Challenges Court Jurisdiction

 
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Dang, so you mean to tell me, that I hold no liability to respond or appear in court for a small claims case for non payment? I'm ordered to court by the 28th, and if I do not show, then the judge can find for the plaintiff, and order me to pay the fee contested.

But by your logic, I dont need to reply or appear, because I in no way agreed to the terms? That's good to know. Can I get your name, address, phone # and such so I can let the judge know it was you who advised me that I am not bound by any contract I did not agree to enter into, since it was based on their terms, not mine?

Awaiting info.


if i'm understanding the story correctly, this is all due to a ticket for driving with a suspended license, is that correct? you agreed to the terms when you got the license.
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No, I'm not the OP.

My case stems from hiring a boarding kennel to tend to my dog for a period of 4 days while we went to see my family when my grandson was being born. My dog was a Great Dane.

While the vet/kennel had my dog in their care, she sustained an injury to her paw/foot, which left a huge hole in one of the toes. How this happened, no one knows...they say she was like that for her last 48 hours (and no, they didnt call me to inform me either). They xrayed and inspected her paw/foot while she was in their care, but charged me for the xray, office visit, and pain pills they put her on.

I'm sorry, but if you bring your child to a daycare, and something happens to cause harm to the child (not just minimal, but significant enough to warrant a doctors visit, etc), then the one who is in charge of the care of the child should be held liable. I feel that the vet/kennel should be liable for the fees for the xrays and office call (ummm, dog was already there??) and the pain killers, but no, they want to charge me for them.
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Dang, so you mean to tell me, that I hold no liability to respond or appear in court for a small claims case for non payment? I'm ordered to court by the 28th, and if I do not show, then the judge can find for the plaintiff, and order me to pay the fee contested.

But by your logic, I dont need to reply or appear, because I in no way agreed to the terms? That's good to know. Can I get your name, address, phone # and such so I can let the judge know it was you who advised me that I am not bound by any contract I did not agree to enter into, since it was based on their terms, not mine?

Awaiting info.


if i'm understanding the story correctly, this is all due to a ticket for driving with a suspended license, is that correct? you agreed to the terms when you got the license.



No, I'm not the OP.

My case stems from hiring a boarding kennel to tend to my dog for a period of 4 days while we went to see my family when my grandson was being born. My dog was a Great Dane.

While the vet/kennel had my dog in their care, she sustained an injury to her paw/foot, which left a huge hole in one of the toes. How this happened, no one knows...they say she was like that for her last 48 hours (and no, they didnt call me to inform me either). They xrayed and inspected her paw/foot while she was in their care, but charged me for the xray, office visit, and pain pills they put her on.

I'm sorry, but if you bring your child to a daycare, and something happens to cause harm to the child (not just minimal, but significant enough to warrant a doctors visit, etc), then the one who is in charge of the care of the child should be held liable. I feel that the vet/kennel should be liable for the fees for the xrays and office call (ummm, dog was already there??) and the pain killers, but no, they want to charge me for them.
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ah, gotcha, wasn't paying attention to the ac numbers.

i am by no means providing legal advice here, but the court isn't involved with the contract. they are merely the third party stepping in to resolve the conflict. for something like this it's in your best interest to appear to review the agreement that you made with the kennel. sucks about your dog, that's a shitty situation.
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Who is it that thinks he is a police officer that challenged the court jurisdiction?

Knock, knock Neo.

Time to wake up.
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if i'm understanding the story correctly, this is all due to a ticket for driving with a suspended license, is that correct? you agreed to the terms when you got the license.
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Not if the license was properly signed 'without prejudice' above the name, UTC [under threat and coercion] beside it.
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Thanks for replying to this....I found it an interesting read. I wish the OP would come back and tell us some updates.
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I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.

By the way....which ones pink?
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What would you like to know? The case has been shelved by the court as they cannot move at all on it, they do not have consent to do so.
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Now THAT is a MORAN, and a king-sized one.

He prevailed , whats moranic about that?
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He PREVAILED? HOW in the fuck do you get THAT out of his rambling??


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Now THAT is a MORAN, and a king-sized one.
He prevailed , whats moranic about that?
He PREVAILED? HOW in the fuck do you get THAT out of his rambling??
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Well, Mr. Ignoramous, I can tell you I did prevail. I proved they had ZERO jurisdiction over me. They could not order me to do or say anything. I was not convicted of a crime, nor was I told to come to a trial. The case is over, done, shelved until the time for them to act is done, then it just vanishes into the void of similar cases I know of.

How is that NOT PREVAILING? You call it rambling, I call it knowing how to claim and protect my rights without by LAW and not resorting to violence or going guns up against the machine that enslaves you. You are a fool if you do not see that.

You have questions, ask, if not, enjoy your peonage, you deserve it. Peace to you.
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!
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If this is all true, it just goes to show how little our judges know about the law. In a lot of cases the law is completely disregarded. Look at the commerce clause for instance(from the highest law of the land, the constitution). The trade between the many states has become the POTENTIAL trade between the many states. BIG difference! This one discrepancy is the justification of about 2/3 of our federal government and federal budget!
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845


No, a criminal charge of Driving on a suspended license is no little matter. With all the budget issues they are having, they could have dumped more charges on me and made even more money on the case. You must be stupid, they could not act on me or they would have. Good luck in your peonage, it seems to work well for you.

You really think a suprerior court judge would have sat there and taken that, in front of all those people in open court if she could have done something about it? You are the one who is insane if you do. Bye.
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!
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( 928 ) 524-4000
The judges name is CAROLYN HOLIDAY, why dont you call her yourself and ask her why she walked out of my court room and did not charge me with contempt. BTW, she did not just walk out on this case, she did not return for the other people waiting there for their cases either. Your claim that acting 'so insane' does not stand. Like I said, dont take my word for it, call her yourself, bigshot. Peace.
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bump yoda
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!


No, a criminal charge of Driving on a suspended license is no little matter.

 Quoting: free man 561788


Yes, it is. And you may THINK you got away with it, but *I* will bet there is now a bench warrant out for you, and the next time you get stopped, you WILL NOT walk away.


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Now THAT is a MORAN, and a king-sized one.
He prevailed , whats moranic about that?
He PREVAILED? HOW in the fuck do you get THAT out of his rambling??
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Well, Mr. Ignoramous, I can tell you I did prevail. I proved they had ZERO jurisdiction over me. They could not order me to do or say anything. I was not convicted of a crime, nor was I told to come to a trial. The case is over, done, shelved until the time for them to act is done, then it just vanishes into the void of similar cases I know of.

How is that NOT PREVAILING? You call it rambling, I call it knowing how to claim and protect my rights without by LAW and not resorting to violence or going guns up against the machine that enslaves you. You are a fool if you do not see that.

You have questions, ask, if not, enjoy your peonage, you deserve it. Peace to you.
 Quoting: free man 561788


Great work, sir!

Could you link to the similar cases you speak of? And/or any other links that may provide helpful for this cause?

thank you, and keep up the fight!
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Excellent. I have done a similar thing, I am on the land called Vancouver British columbia (Canada).

It works, all you have to do is know who you are and what you are not.


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I saw it work for a guy here locally in a town court. They even had him locked up in the psyche ward where he was given a clean bill of health.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


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Former Police Officer Challenges Court Jurisdiction
[link to maya12-21-2012.com]

On the day of April 20, 2009, a Free man on the land commonly known as Martin Earl: Fisher went to the business office of The Navajo County Court. I went to present the PERSON, a legal fiction which lives only in a fictional world of Legist Personas Case No. CR2009-0303, Navajo County, Arizona .



Now THAT is a MORAN, and a king-sized one.

What is a Moran?



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The only problem with this idea is that eventually the ones with power and numbers on their side will get tired of playing and they you are in trouble.

Sure, this was a win. For now.

Until they hold some secret tribunal or some other arcane thing and have you picked up for some nonsense charge that you are never allowed to to really question.

They will tape it as you go on about what you believed to be your rights, making you seem quit crazy by the way, and then consign you to some warehouse or another or perhaps kill you as you resist your unlawful arrest.

You say you were an officer of the law? Then you know that the LAW is not what counts, but rather their interpretation of the law.

You could find yourself going down hard under "Police Procedure" if not careful.

Kudos for certain, but be careful. They can't allow you to publicly win long term.

You have to assume this isn't over until you can see it isn't, in hind sight.
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Yes, it is. And you may THINK you got away with it, but *I* will bet there is now a bench warrant out for you, and the next time you get stopped, you WILL NOT walk away.


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No..you are wrong and here is why , if at the time she could prove and enforce jurisdiction over him ,she could have cited him with contempt of court ..Look dude, this guy is not the first person to do this , there are others but its not advertised because the state doesnt collect revenue when you are able to circumvent them ..And the reason she couldnt cite him with contempt of court is because he did not "contract" with her by stepping into her jurisdiction..If you concede to the judge in any instance by following a direction ex. "take off your hat in this courtroom" and you do so, you have just conceded that the judge has authority and jurisdiction over you in not just one but all instances..
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The only problem with this idea is that eventually the ones with power and numbers on their side will get tired of playing and they you are in trouble.

Sure, this was a win. For now.

Until they hold some secret tribunal or some other arcane thing and have you picked up for some nonsense charge that you are never allowed to to really question.

They will tape it as you go on about what you believed to be your rights, making you seem quit crazy by the way, and then consign you to some warehouse or another or perhaps kill you as you resist your unlawful arrest.

You say you were an officer of the law? Then you know that the LAW is not what counts, but rather their interpretation of the law.

You could find yourself going down hard under "Police Procedure" if not careful.

Kudos for certain, but be careful. They can't allow you to publicly win long term.

You have to assume this isn't over until you can see it isn't, in hind sight.
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Sure, they can go criminal at any time, but I do not fear criminals, I never have, I never will. They can interpet the Law however they like, but they cannot force it on me uless they can stand on me and I mean STAND on me. Tyants they are and I am prepared in every way possible to protect my rights as a man.

I appreciate your comments and this I know- it is NEVER over, the fight for freedom cannot end and as said

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

While I am no patriot, I am willing to die before I am enslaved against my will. Compared to that, what is a crazy about stading my ground for my rights against some man or woman priest in a black robe?
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No..you are wrong and here is why , if at the time she could prove and enforce jurisdiction over him ,she could have cited him with contempt of court ..Look dude, this guy is not the first person to do this , there are others but its not advertised because the state doesnt collect revenue when you are able to circumvent them ..And the reason she couldnt cite him with contempt of court is because he did not "contract" with her by stepping into her jurisdiction..If you concede to the judge in any instance by following a direction ex. "take off your hat in this courtroom" and you do so, you have just conceded that the judge has authority and jurisdiction over you in not just one but all instances..
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Trench, you are 100% correct. You cannot allow them to act, say or do anything but what you consent for them to do, treat them like the public servants they are. Otherwise, they assume jurisdiction.
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Freeman, I am very proud of all your efforts!

I have nothing good to say about Judges or Lawyers and our so-called justice system. More people need to wake up to the fact that we have been deceived and lied to.

Everything in this country is corrupt. From the Federal Reserve banking cartel, to our pathetic Gov't that supports that banking cartel.

It's good to know the truth because once you do......you don't buy into their bullshit anymore.

Peace to you also
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if i'm understanding the story correctly, this is all due to a ticket for driving with a suspended license, is that correct? you agreed to the terms when you got the license.


Not if the license was properly signed 'without prejudice' above the name, UTC [under threat and coercion] beside it.
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How sad is it? Our government tells us we MUST pay for all their pieces of paper to show how 'qualified' we are to do something, and then when we do because it is the norm, they ASSUME we have also agreed to the statutory bullshit that applies to no human being except when other very confused and petty human beings charge that it does.

They never give us the bottom line, they never give us the top-down picture, because those perspectives do reveal how rediculous our legal system really is. This is criminal negligence, pure and simple, by subjecting people to a corrupt system of assumption after never have given them the facts about what is going on and why.

I'm not saying there isn't value or benevolence within/from our current legal system, but it is clearly designed as tyranny resulting from ignorance (read: terrible education, why the fuck is this not taught in school??) about the few wormholes available to keep oneself from getting raped by a system that has lost sight of its priorities and primary purpose for existing. It is little more than a source of funding for government now, most of the people who end up in jail are only there for breaking beaucratic rules, which they never wittingly, concentually and honorable agreed to abide by and uphold, but I guess that isn't important if ASSUMPTION can be used as a source of authority.

Where exactly on the driver's licence does it say that by signing one we are agreeing to abide by and uphold all of our government's statutory bullshit? Oh that's right, it doesn't, and this claim of agreeing when you accepted a driver's licence is nothing more than the same bullshit ASSUMPTION that silence equals complicity. Think about it, how exactly would cops do their job if all people had to do was ignore them and say nothing? They had to include this DISHONORABLE ASSUMPTION to make their system float, and the only reason it works is because people are ignorant about how legality works, which again is a direct failure of our education system. The principles are simple, any 3rd grader could understand our legal system if the proper words were used to explain its workings. I guess studying Shakespeare and microcosm recent history is more important than understanding how to live responsible freedom.

The only problem with this idea is that eventually the ones with power and numbers on their side

Until they hold some secret tribunal or some other arcane thing and have you picked up for some nonsense charge that you are never allowed to to really question.
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We the People are the ones with the power and numbers, what rock have you been living under?

And if they really are willing to display this degree of tyranny, well then I'm sure we will have some revolt to deal with. Don't think people aren't watching and talking about what's going on, our network is much more inclusive than theirs, remember?

Oh wait I've got one: I use a town mailbox, that means I'm a slave on a ship because I entered into a contractual agreement that was never disclosed to me when I accepted the key, and because I never honorably refused or conditionally accepted the undisclosed contract with terms of my own, it is a completely honorable and somehow lawful agreement;

God damn, how delusional do you have to be to swallow that steaming pile? I guess money speaks louder than logic and love for some people?

Obama had better get some disclosure out soon about this garbage, it is way past time for dealing with this HUGE LACK OF TRUST GOVERNMENT DISPLAYS BY ALLOWING SUCH BULLSHIT LEGALITY TO RUN AMOK. Is it any wonder why most people don't trust government? Sow and reap, just like the mirror that all life is shows us, when we look at the truth.

I saw it work for a guy here locally in a town court. They even had him locked up in the psyche ward where he was given a clean bill of health.
 Quoting: Jackinthebox


This is what the cops did with me when I refused to accept their bullshit 'authority', they took me to the local mental hospital. After talking with a shrink for not even twenty minutes, he knew he could not hold me, so he tried to threatened me into staying by saying the cops may be right outside ready to arrest me again if I didn't stay. I told him they could go right ahead, and that if it went any farther than it already had, I would start suing cops for their corporate bonds for overstepping their jurisdiction. They weren't waiting outside, and I never heard back from them again.

This was after they stole my car (it had no plates or registration, and therefore did not qualify as a motor vehicle by their definition of such, rendering their quoted source of authority (the traffic and safety act) as a false claim). I wasn't about to be charged with crimes for not having paper for something I don't need it for, and then also have to pay a bunch of money or spend time in jail, I have better things to do with my time and energy than waste it to support a broken system of dishonorable assumption and ignorant servitude.

Knowing what to say in court if shit goes down is probably one of the most important things to know in keeping oneself out of their gallows. Thanks for posting this op.

hf
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Kan,
Peace to you and thank you for your post. OH, and WHY IS THIS NOT PINNED????

Knowing the Law and how to claim our rights without violence but TRUTH is the only thing that will free the PEOPLE.
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This thread needs to be PINNED!

What else is more important than the information contained herein??

Mods, please pin this.
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This happened in Canada?
I don't think anyone would want to try this unless they are prepared to be locked-up somewhere. (nut-house or jail).
Even the OP said that they practiced before trying this stunt.
I hate to be cynical, but even-if this were true, or possible, in the US, The Patriot Act could probably send someone to Gitmo for this.
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This happened in Canada?
I don't think anyone would want to try this unless they are prepared to be locked-up somewhere. (nut-house or jail).
Even the OP said that they practiced before trying this stunt.
I hate to be cynical, but even-if this were true, or possible, in the US, The Patriot Act could probably send someone to Gitmo for this.
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Did you even read it? It was Arizona, that is the lower 48 last time I checked. And the Patriot ACT is not LAW it is a code, they can do nothing without JURISDICTION the US federal courts are no different then any State court, no jurisdiction, the ACT, RULE, CODE, STATUTE, EXEXUTIVE ORDER, whatever does not superseed the Law of the Land. Those other titles are for MARITIME JURIDICTION only, not one applies to a man standing on dry land.

YOU must consent to those having control over you. You consent by IDENTIFING yourself as a PERSON, with a NAME, DATE OF BIRTH SSN, or by signing your privlieges away in CON-tract. You lie when you give your date of birth or any title the government gives you.

Read it again.

PIN THIS!!!!
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THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS FICTION! THEY CALL THEM 'ACTS OF CONGRESS' because they act like law, 'color of law' 'by laws' or 'color of authority' they are not LAWS or they would just call them Laws!

You have got to understand they UNION of STATES was dissolved when the souther states suceeded lawfuly. They were brought back under military force! There is no union any more, only Corporations.

Is your 'State of XXXXXXX' NOT incorporated? Is your city, county or town not incorporated? Hell yes it is! The US supreme court has said in the Clearfield Doctrine that the Government has no more authority then any other corporation.

Without consent, implied or real, contract real or assumed or CONSENT they have no power over the PEOPLE accept in cases of injury to another of the people or Habeus corpus NONE!
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You, as the people are ignorant to your rights and how to claim them.

WTH do they always, ALWAYS ask, "DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS AS THEY HAVE BEEN READ TO YOU?" "DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CHARGES AGAINST YOU?"
Say 'yes' and you are agreeing to their contract. Why do they ask for your NAME? It is consent!! Your DOB? It is consent!

"ARE YOU A US CITIZEN?" they are asking your consent! ANY TITLE, Mister, Mrs, Miss, DEFENDANT, TAXPAYER, ANYTHING BUT YOUR FIRST NAME AND YOU ARE GIVING THEM JURISDICTION!

Because when you answer 'YES' like an idiot, you have just contracted with them and given CONSENT. If you understood your rights, you would not even be talking to them!! YOU CONSENT TO ALL THIS BS the Government does to you!

They can only control what they create, they did not create YOU. They created NAMES and Corporations.

Not legal advise, if you do not know who you are, you a PEON and you will get your benifit/priviledge, that includes getting your butt kicked, tazed, shot, put in prison whatever they want, cause you are too ignorant of your power as one of the people.
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