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MUST READ!!! Former Police Officer Challenges Court Jurisdiction

 
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05/24/2009 08:45 PM
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I, as an Agent of the PERSON had already served, via registered US Mail a NOTICE on the Judge that I reserved all of my rights and charged a fee of $2500 in Gold and silver coin of the united States for acting as Agent of the PERSON. I gave her 24 hours to reject my offer to serve as an agent over the account by dropping the charge with prejudice. If she did not, I would consider my offer accepted and fulfill the order to present the PERSON at a hearing.


uh yeah, that's not how it works.
you can't enter into such a contract without approval of the other party, and failure to respond is not approval.

this guy is nuts.


Failure to respond to a offer timely is a dishonour
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As far as I know, failure to respond is acceptance, or maybe i should say, is presumed to be acceptance. It would then be your burden to rebut the presumption.
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05/24/2009 09:08 PM
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Google Clearfield Doctrine.
I used to be in this guys world. To do what he did you need to be assertive and correct. If you slip up once, like say they ask for "your address" and you give it to them. It doesn't matter if everything else you said is right or not. They will continue on. They won't let someone just get away with this.
Rather than say he is nuts, refute his claims. What exactly does he assert that is incorrect?
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wowey
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Now THAT is a MORAN, and a king-sized one.
He prevailed , whats moranic about that?
He PREVAILED? HOW in the fuck do you get THAT out of his rambling??
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Well, Mr. Ignoramous, I can tell you I did prevail. I proved they had ZERO jurisdiction over me. They could not order me to do or say anything. I was not convicted of a crime, nor was I told to come to a trial. The case is over, done, shelved until the time for them to act is done, then it just vanishes into the void of similar cases I know of.

How is that NOT PREVAILING? You call it rambling, I call it knowing how to claim and protect my rights without by LAW and not resorting to violence or going guns up against the machine that enslaves you. You are a fool if you do not see that.

You have questions, ask, if not, enjoy your peonage, you deserve it. Peace to you.
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Extremely well done. No need for using guns, yet.
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!


No, a criminal charge of Driving on a suspended license is no little matter.



Yes, it is. And you may THINK you got away with it, but *I* will bet there is now a bench warrant out for you, and the next time you get stopped, you WILL NOT walk away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 679187


OF course, but the Bench Warrant is as fraudulent as the Court Summons to Appear.

Repeat Steps 1-10...just keep charging for your appearance, keep stating that the name the Adminiatrator, not the Judge, is calling is NOT you, keep acting Sovereign, keep refusing to accept anything from the fradulent Court that does not pertain to you, the free man walking on land, but to YOU, the CAPITALIZED FRAUDULENT PERSON, and keep acting as if you own the Courtroom, which you do and keep claiming your right not to be touched, moved or threatened in any way, by armed goons.

Lean Sovereignty, act Sovereign and you win.
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Ahh, the memories. Thanks Howard Freeman.

I recall when I was young at exercising this Sovereignty concept. ( California, 1991 ) Woman ran a red light and hit me. I get yellow paper for no insurance and things like that. Durring the court room dance I mis-steped. Rather than fining me on the spot, like everyone else that day, I was given another time to appear. Turned out to be a little private “sentencing’” hearing with a second level magistrate. Rather pleasant chat actually. Comfy chairs, big conference desk.

At one point I said “ Well, when you’re managing the Public Debt, you got to do what you got to do”.

The magistrate locked his hands behind his head, rocked back in his chair and said “Oh, Mr. Bean There, this has nothing to do with the Public Debt”, and he smiled and rolled his eyes to the ceiling. I smiled back and said “ It does when you find the International Monetary Fund is the Real Party In Interest.”

Poor man just about did a pratfall backwards out of his chair. He sort of regained composure, but the look on his face was if he had just seen the Devil Himself. I agreed to do a little Community Service at a local charity thrift store to settle the matter. No fine. No order or agreement to procure insurance.

These days it’s a matter of asking, in writing, if the Official making any kind of Presentment is acting in an Office of Trust or Office of Profit. This gently opens the door first thing to determine if the action is based on Contract / Agreement ( Profit ) or a matter of Public Trust, which is easy to prove Breach.

We just never get an answer to that one. Things just go away, and the Jingle Bell Boys ( Bailiffs ) never even get excited.
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05/25/2009 08:21 AM
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OP has stated he is not giving legal advice. How much clearer can he be?


Dang, so you mean to tell me, that I hold no liability to respond or appear in court for a small claims case for non payment? I'm ordered to court by the 28th, and if I do not show, then the judge can find for the plaintiff, and order me to pay the fee contested.

But by your logic, I dont need to reply or appear, because I in no way agreed to the terms? That's good to know. Can I get your name, address, phone # and such so I can let the judge know it was you who advised me that I am not bound by any contract I did not agree to enter into, since it was based on their terms, not mine?

Awaiting info.
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Bean There
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05/25/2009 08:32 AM
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OP has stated he is not giving legal advice. How much clearer can he be?



Dang, so you mean to tell me, that I hold no liability to respond or appear in court for a small claims case for non payment? I'm ordered to court by the 28th, and if I do not show, then the judge can find for the plaintiff, and order me to pay the fee contested.

But by your logic, I dont need to reply or appear, because I in no way agreed to the terms? That's good to know. Can I get your name, address, phone # and such so I can let the judge know it was you who advised me that I am not bound by any contract I did not agree to enter into, since it was based on their terms, not mine?

Awaiting info.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685609

Small Claims is Person to Person. Really a lot of power there.

Find a "Judge" without signed Oath of Office on file or an elected "Official" without Surety / Performance Bond ( both easy ) and sue them for performance of contract. No Attorneys allowed. No monetary damages please. You'll never prove for Compensatory Damages only the Tort of Failure to Perform.

You will quickly be listed as a "Paper Terrorist" and join the Elite of Legal Woo Woos. ( Welcome Neighbor )
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!


( 928 ) 524-4000
The judges name is CAROLYN HOLIDAY, why dont you call her yourself and ask her why she walked out of my court room and did not charge me with contempt.
 Quoting: free man 561788


I would LOVE to ask her about you, but I don't know your name.

WHEN, however, I send your claims to her, I'll bet SHE remembers who you are, and will rectify any mistake she made in letting you walk out of that Courtroom.


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05/25/2009 08:36 AM
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It’s a fairy tale told to a gullible audience.

These guys sometimes get a pass in traffic court ‘cause the judge doesn’t care to bother with their crazy arses over a parking fine. But if they keep this BS up, or if they commit a serious crime the courts come down on them.

Often they a psychological evaluation in the process.
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It’s a fairy tale told to a gullible audience.

These guys sometimes get a pass in traffic court ‘cause the judge doesn’t care to bother with their crazy arses over a parking fine. But if they keep this BS up, or if they commit a serious crime the courts come down on them.

Often they a psychological evaluation in the process.
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It’s a fairy tale told to a gullible audience.

These guys sometimes get a pass in traffic court ‘cause the judge doesn’t care to bother with their crazy arses over a parking fine. But if they keep this BS up, or if they commit a serious crime the courts come down on them.

Often they a psychological evaluation in the process.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59129

Glad I live in Fantasy Land then.

More California Fairy Tales :

Right to Speedy Trial, 45 days : Cop issuing the "Ticket" is acting as a third level Magistrate. Courts so busy the appearance date is often 60 days and more out. One page written Motion to Dismiss for lack of speedy trial, you get dismissal back in the mail. Or make a proper oral Motion in court and go home.

Parking Tickets : North Hollywood. Discovery : Issuance ,collection and accounting by Lockheed Data Corp.. Private contract through history of local merchant associations. Tickets issued under Color of Law. Courts improperly used as Private Collection Agencies. Many “cases” dropped.

Offshoot : “Tickets” ( like No tickiee no laundliee ) do not follow Judicial Forms Manual. Courts without power to enforce. Orange County : $11,000,000 plus in unpaid Fines / Bail on books as Accounts Receivable. $11,000,000 plus in unpaid Fines / Bail dropped from books. Orange County Bond Rating drops one full grade. Coincidence ?
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05/25/2009 09:27 AM
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It seems like the whole system is made to be a game of sorts, except that most people don't know they are playing it. All these little things like maritime admiralty courts, Capitis Diminutio Maxima, strawman, even the wording of certain tax laws, amongst many others, aren't even known by the majority of the population. I feel learning about all these forms of control is very important, because this is how to break free. Stop playing THEY'RE game. It's like leaving the matrix. This is something anybody can do. I would like to learn more about how to do it. Does any one know of classes or seminars to learn this. I also found a good site to start with.

[link to www.thezeitgeistmovement.com]
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05/25/2009 09:55 AM
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bump for TRUTH, please, someone prove me wrong! I got into this stuff to prove it wrong and I have done the exact opposite!!

Learn your rights, open your eyes.
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What a good breath of fresh air.

I hope its true bump bump bump bump bump
Bean There
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05/25/2009 10:00 AM
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I would like to learn more about how to do it. Does any one know of classes or seminars to learn this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 681687

Income Tax in particular : Cracking the Code . Great self help with active forum.
[link to www.losthorizons.com]

Great self help with active forum.
TOC :
[link to www.losthorizons.com]

Index :
[link to www.losthorizons.com]

Assorted Full Refund checks :
[link to www.losthorizons.com]

General Sovereignty and such : George Gordon
[link to georgegordon.com]

The Constitution as a Trust Instrument : Our Legacy Denounced
[link to 52.thelastoutpost.com]

With linked footnotes :
[link to sequasohuh.tripod.com]

Don’t know where to find articles by the Informer / Jonathan Swift Society.

Banking and Credit Fraud : Tom Schauf . Only in Archives unfortunately.
[link to web.archive.org]
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Look uo the UCC
universal commercial code.
also british maritime law
this will explain.
if we are under BML when we are in a courtroom, then the UCC applies
haniel
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05/25/2009 10:28 AM
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Free man! Bravo! WELL DONE!

I have heard of some of this before, but never actually read a case of it in action.

People, the guy is correct! Do you realize that if you are sent anything with your name on it in all CAPS, that the sender is identifying you as a CORPORATION, and not a person? When they do that, (unless you are a legal corporation) you have not even been correctly recognized. And ther3efore, starts a whole cahin of events that have nothing to do with you as a PERSON?

There is a lot to his "sovreignty" issue that some posters should read up on before claiming that Free man doesnt know what he is doing. We are kept in the dark by the courts, lawyers, etc when it comes to the L-A-W.

I knew about the "maritime" flag, (the fact that courts have the flags with fringe on them) a long time ago, but did not realize that the area covered by this flag is only the area between the bench and the bar.

I have had an ongoing criminal case against a person now for 2 years! He stole money from me (2K) and I managed to get him criminally indicted, (not just a civil case) We went to court 2 years after it happened (all the time he is walking about free) only to find out it had been postponed by the defendant! Such bull!

Years of helping my son in a child custody case, I saw a lot of things, one thing in particular that I remember is that on some of the paperwork, the official forms say that "we "PRAY" to the court that" ... blah blah blah, that used to burn me up, like the courts are god!

My son was actually told on one occassion , by one judge that his case would NOT be heard unless he brought a lawyer with him, and my son was the PLAINTIFF! (we found out thru some father's rights groups that this was BULL!)

And they beleive that they are gods! So yes, good job Free Man, I applaud your courage. I wish you lived me, I would PAY you to walk me thru the bull of the criminal case above, and make these damn courts stop wasting my time!

Question Free man? Explain more the stuff about your name? IE: "land commonly known as Martin Earl", etc?? Thnx.
free man
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05/25/2009 10:56 AM
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so the lesson here is to act so insane that they don't even want to deal with you, because whatever tiny fee is associated with driving on a suspended license isn't worth their time or effort.

you win!


( 928 ) 524-4000
The judges name is CAROLYN HOLIDAY, why dont you call her yourself and ask her why she walked out of my court room and did not charge me with contempt.


I would LOVE to ask her about you, but I don't know your name.

WHEN, however, I send your claims to her, I'll bet SHE remembers who you are, and will rectify any mistake she made in letting you walk out of that Courtroom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 679187


If you cannot read the NAME OF THE PERSON is listed in the first post of the thread! If you are really that stupid, I doubt you can dial the phone, now call and ask her yourself!! Everything is there even the case number. What an idiot...
free man
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05/25/2009 11:15 AM
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Free man! Bravo! WELL DONE!

And they beleive that they are gods! So yes, good job Free Man, I applaud your courage. I wish you lived me, I would PAY you to walk me thru the bull of the criminal case above, and make these damn courts stop wasting my time!

Question Free man? Explain more the stuff about your name? IE: "land commonly known as Martin Earl", etc?? Thnx.
 Quoting: haniel 621620


All PARTIES must be IDENTIFIED in any court. What they mean by IDENTIFIED is this, YOU the living man or woman must identify your SELF, the PERSON set up with a Certificate of live birth, imigration docs, passport, whatever NEXUS that ties the PERSON they created with YOU.

No human can recall their date of birth, it is a fiction, both the date and the humans memory of it. When cops or government actors ask me for a date of birth, I tell them "I do not recall that event." Then I ask them if they "know" thier date of birth. They always say "OF course I do!" Then I ask them "What color was the room you were born in?"

You see, they are attempting to TESTIFY to something they are not a witness too, they can recall no facts of the event. Now, the state has to bring forward an actaul witness to the event of your birth to ID you. Hell, even the Calendar is a man-made item and is not admissable as evidence in fact. That is why attornies will say "on or about this date at this time..."

You have to self identify as Mr. Mrs. Defendant, address, resident, DRIVER, et al. If you do not who the hell is going to ID YOU? If there is no living victim who has been injured by you, they have NO CLAIM.

Stop lieing to police, courts and others about your NAME, since that is Heresay also. And, your given name is only your first and middle, your family may have a name, but it is not YOURS.

Truth is the only way. They cannot ID you unless they have a autograhped power of attorney of fact.

But, they require ID!!! That is not a LAW but, no matter, I ID myself the only truthfull way I know how, as a man standing on the land. Can they call you crazy for telling the truth as you know it?
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One last California Fairy Tale :

Project : Reinstate abandoned Town Charter to get trash pick up for $15 per month rather than $50 for being in the County, outside “Incorporated City Limits” about 2 miles away .

Process : Cert copy of Original Charter from archives. Follow Calif. Corporation Statutes to establish Municipal Corporation . Elect Mayor, Secretary and Treasurer . Appoint a constable till the Sheriff is contracted for police protection , or not . Kick Sheriff out of Township Jurisdictional boundaries . Secure Private Surety Bond for these three Officers in case of Malfeasance in Office . Can’t pay for damages to a Private Citizen from Public Funds . Bond is a must . File papers in appropriate venue . Be a town again .

Discovery : No companies will issue the bonds anymore. No Bonds = No Municipality .

Off shoot, Orange County :

Chain of Authority to impanel a Jury in all legal matters between State / Municipal entities and Citizens :

A Properly Elected or Appointed Judge or Justice of Peace , UNLESS individual has a Personal Interest in outcome of the case. Judge has said interest as pay comes from public funds, paid “fines”, and etc ..

Next : County Sheriff . Same conflict of interest .

Next : County Coroner . Same Again .

Next : A Board of County Elisors . Little remembered Status held by Titled Property Owners Seated in the County .

A group of OC Residents / Denizens / Citizens ( whatever ) impanel a Private Grand Jury of 23 ( was it ? ) and appoint a Private Attorney General to investigate and take evidence of OC’s top 3 Officers being without Bond . Evidence found only the County Treasurer held a Bond . Orange County Municipal Corporation is dissolved by operation of law . Can not legally exist .

Three men, homeowners with clear Title to their property ( Elisors with Standing to sue ) come on board to pursue case in State court . Result would properly be collapse of Orange County back into Los Angeles , from which it sprang . Domino effect was hoped for to show the perfidy of governing bodies and restore County and State Rights and Constitutional Trust .

Result : All three men report being intimidated by Sheriff’s Deputies , followed by patrol cars every where with one reporting verbal threats of violence against his family . The three decline to go forward with the case out of fear . Understandable .

A friend of mine was something of a double agent . He told a few of us privately that all of our pictures were on the wall of the special investigations ( was it ) room in the basement at the Sheriff’s office . About 100 people in all . A task force had been following us as part of investigating Our One Supreme Court efforts . Seems that was largely considered a joke until the Citizens Grand Jury formed . Our 24 pictures went to the top of the lay out and we had been declared “Dangerous Paper Terrorists” .

The picture taking outside our weekly meetings became very blatant , intimidating so many our efforts collapsed .

Oh well .
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05/25/2009 11:41 AM
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Having read much of this thread and taking some 2+ hours to do so, I hereby charge my standard fee of $1000000 per hour and require payment by June 1st 2009. Be advised that this is an official invoice legaly presented to the individual identifying himself as "Freeman", aka "freeman", aka "Free man", aka free man.

Failure to respond to this invoice by May 25, 2009, 12:01pm is an acceptance of said terms and only through writen refusal by the invoiced party, before May 25, 2009, 12:01pm can the contract be made null and void.

If the aforementioned invoicee defaults on payment in full by June 1st 2009, the following penalties will be applied and are an agreed part of this contract. $1000000 per hour past the due date of payment.

Without prejudice and in good faith,
The issuer of said contractual invoice,
EyeAm.
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Having read much of this thread and taking some 2+ hours to do so, I hereby charge my standard fee of $1000000 per hour and require payment by June 1st 2009. Be advised that this is an official invoice legaly presented to the individual identifying himself as "Freeman", aka "freeman", aka "Free man", aka free man.

Failure to respond to this invoice by May 25, 2009, 12:01pm is an acceptance of said terms and only through writen refusal by the invoiced party, before May 25, 2009, 12:01pm can the contract be made null and void.

If the aforementioned invoicee defaults on payment in full by June 1st 2009, the following penalties will be applied and are an agreed part of this contract. $1000000 per hour past the due date of payment.

Without prejudice and in good faith,
The issuer of said contractual invoice,
EyeAm.
 Quoting: EyeAm 678769


Well, since my clock only says it is 8:42 AM, and you have no proof of service, you have no claim anyway. But no matter, I respond:

I ACCEPT YOUR OFFER FOR VALUE AND RESPOND IN MANNER TIMELY, RUFUSAL FOR CAUSE, ACCEPTED FOR VALUE AND RETURNED WITH PREDJUDICE AND LAWFUL EXCUSE, EXEMPT FROM LEVY, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. by: free man, et all, agent for the living man, typing this.

Thank you for your offer but NO CONTRACT. DATE NOW, expires: upon proof of contract, signed in blue ink by the man, witnessed and lawfuly served.

Good day.
free man.
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Having read much of this thread and taking some 2+ hours to do so, I hereby charge my standard fee of $1000000 per hour and require payment by June 1st 2009. Be advised that this is an official invoice legaly presented to the individual identifying himself as "Freeman", aka "freeman", aka "Free man", aka free man.

EyeAm.
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Nexus please .
EyeAm
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05/25/2009 11:49 AM
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Ya got me.

You got out of the contract, lol.

Nicely done.
EyeAm
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05/25/2009 11:55 AM
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However by quoting you have domonstrated "proof of service"

But by responding in manner timely I'm beat.

I'm impressed.
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05/25/2009 11:57 AM
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We are all starting to get our heads around this now.

What the concept of what being free really means is a bit foreign to us.. but we will get it in the end.

This has been around the net for a couple of weeks now.

The first time I saw it.. it finished before the..

"Thank you "antiterrorist""

..bit.

Either way.. great yarn..

And yes.. I know of people who have done similar things.. if the judge walks out.. you win.

They are all statute laws and not real laws.

They only apply to you if you give your consent.

Be strong.. and don't sign anything..

This is the kind of thread that really brings out the shills.

Its funny to sit back and watch them fall over themselves trying to dis-credit this in any fashion they can.

lol.. welcome to the age of aquarius guys..
free man
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05/25/2009 11:58 AM
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Pesky Nexus'!!

Peace.
EyeAm
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05/25/2009 11:59 AM
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Guess I should have only given you a scant second or two for response. ROFL!!!

Tell me; What is the shortest time that through default is actionable?
free man
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However by quoting you have domonstrated "proof of service"

But by responding in manner timely I'm beat.

I'm impressed.
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Ah, good point on the "proof of service"! I am making this stuff up as I go, ya know, I cant get everything right! peace
EyeAm
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nexus?

Star Trek.

is there a poster with similar vernacular or something?