Do those who do not believe in Jesus and His return to earth realize this……

how will you answer jesus when he askes you why you say a lie is the truth and tell this lie to others causing others to worship someone other than YHWH. By doing so you are breaking the first, second, third, fourth and ninth commandments all at once.

Jesus was asked a direct question about how to obtain eternal life and he answered directly. Following gods commandments.

So it is upon everyone to verify the validity of thier statments and if they are found to be false in the end they will pay a price.


You keep the commandments?


I try, but nobody is perfect.
repentance is the key to forgiveness.

I agree with Hard Truth my problem with the concept of sin and judgement is that Im not really all that concerned what yhvw Jehovah or can i buy a vowel thinks of me.Here is a being thats allready annihalated the human race once in a great flood,leveled cities in fire and brimstone,killed every first born child in a kingdom,911-ed a tower,sanctioned slavery,rape and barbaric capital punishment,interfered with the lives of those special to him to the point of despair in Jobs case etc etc etc,in my opinion a prize cunt.

Dont get me wrong there is correct moral behaviour and a balance of consequences including the law of the land if you err too far but being beholden to this creature and giving a damn about what it thinks of me-if it exists-forget it.

I agree with Hard Truth my problem with the concept of sin and judgement is that Im not really all that concerned what yhvw Jehovah or can i buy a vowel thinks of me.Here is a being thats allready annihalated the human race once in a great flood,leveled cities in fire and brimstone,killed every first born child in a kingdom,911-ed a tower,sanctioned slavery,rape and barbaric capital punishment,interfered with the lives of those special to him to the point of despair in Jobs case etc etc etc,in my opinion a prize cunt.

Dont get me wrong there is correct moral behaviour and a balance of consequences including the law of the land if you err too far but being beholden to this creature and giving a damn about what it thinks of me-if it exists-forget it.


On specifically what moral compass do you base your set of values?

What is this "law of the land" and how does each human being determine it?

What if my morals differ from yours?

Would that be ok with you?

Where are the details for this distinct moral compass that goes for ALL people?

What is it SPECIFICALLY?

Link?

I agree with Hard Truth my problem with the concept of sin and judgement is that Im not really all that concerned what yhvw Jehovah or can i buy a vowel thinks of me.Here is a being thats allready annihalated the human race once in a great flood,leveled cities in fire and brimstone,killed every first born child in a kingdom,911-ed a tower,sanctioned slavery,rape and barbaric capital punishment,interfered with the lives of those special to him to the point of despair in Jobs case etc etc etc,in my opinion a prize cunt.

Dont get me wrong there is correct moral behaviour and a balance of consequences including the law of the land if you err too far but being beholden to this creature and giving a damn about what it thinks of me-if it exists-forget it.


On specifically what moral compass do you base your set of values?

What is this "law of the land" and how does each human being determine it?

What if my morals differ from yours?

Would that be ok with you?

Where are the details for this distinct moral compass that goes for ALL people?

What is it SPECIFICALLY?

Link?

I agree with Hard Truth my problem with the concept of sin and judgement is that Im not really all that concerned what yhvw Jehovah or can i buy a vowel thinks of me.Here is a being thats allready annihalated the human race once in a great flood,leveled cities in fire and brimstone,killed every first born child in a kingdom,911-ed a tower,sanctioned slavery,rape and barbaric capital punishment,interfered with the lives of those special to him to the point of despair in Jobs case etc etc etc,in my opinion a prize cunt.

Dont get me wrong there is correct moral behaviour and a balance of consequences including the law of the land if you err too far but being beholden to this creature and giving a damn about what it thinks of me-if it exists-forget it.


On specifically what moral compass do you base your set of values?

What is this "law of the land" and how does each human being determine it?

What if my morals differ from yours?

Would that be ok with you?

Where are the details for this distinct moral compass that goes for ALL people?

What is it SPECIFICALLY?

Link?

My moral compass is do no harm and little things are done for all sentient beings and no merit-so basically Buddhist.

For the Western world the law of the land started with the Magna Carta and has progressed from there to the current western systems it can be changed by referendum,in the US by citizens bill proposals and of course ongoing judgements
which you can influence via your council representation and testimony.Thats the extent to which we determine it unless you challenge and win of your own accord.

Of course your morals are different to mine but all faiths have basically the same fundamentals for example Buddhists share 8 of the 10 commandments there is a reasonably similar base moral code across the world developed to stop people painting themselves blue and eating each other.Whilst these commonalities exist there will be individual differences for example one Christian might not sanction abortion for any reason,another may permit it if the mothers life is in danger or the child is so deformed its not viable.So yes it is ok if your morals are different slightly to mine and it wouldn't really bother me unless you supported human sacrifice or such.

There is no moral compass for ALL people I have met truly shameless people,people with no conscience or moral compass,sociopaths and psycopaths for these people society has the law of the land up to and including capital punishment as the only sickener factor on their behaviours.

For those citizens with a moral compass itr is their civic duty to monitor legal trends,supreme court appointments etc and if you don't like what you see you vote elsewhere next time.

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.

how will you answer jesus when he askes you why you say a lie is the truth and tell this lie to others causing others to worship someone other than YHWH. By doing so you are breaking the first, second, third, fourth and ninth commandments all at once.

Jesus was asked a direct question about how to obtain eternal life and he answered directly. Following gods commandments.

So it is upon everyone to verify the validity of thier statments and if they are found to be false in the end they will pay a price.

What does this say about your god, and his inability to create spiritual beings that aren't even capable of judging themselves?

No thanks, I'll keep my own power and I can judge myself just fine!

NOT GUILTY!!

i]

On specifically what moral compass do you base your set of values?

What is this "law of the land" and how does each human being determine it?

What if my morals differ from yours?

Would that be ok with you?

Where are the details for this distinct moral compass that goes for ALL people?

What is it SPECIFICALLY?

Link?



It's my journey, and it will be my mistakes, and if the old adage is true, and I know it is, we learn from our mistakes!

Why deny me my mistakes?

Did not you Paul say that we gentiles, not having the law of the jews, still do by nature what is right, and is that not a moral compass, Nature?

Yes, your morals will differ slightly from mine, we are not all robots from the same assembly line as you christians believe!

Earth is a prison planet and the flesh is our cells, and it is used by all races throughout the galaxy for their unwanteds for whatever reason, and this is why we are such a diverse species!

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.


why do we christians have to be so jesus only?

Jesus provided the WAY and God is in charge of how each person is led to the way... why isnt that enough?

otherwise the good news to spread and tell people is how real and wonderful the kingdom of God is, that is here now, even among us.

the evidence lately is overwhelming from less than a handful of threads that key in on whats happening now in the kingdom

the jesus only freaks who bash people with the jesus axe are gonna find themselves out of the loop!

careful,
nada

On specifically what moral compass do you base your set of values?

What is this "law of the land" and how does each human being determine it?

What if my morals differ from yours?

Would that be ok with you?

Where are the details for this distinct moral compass that goes for ALL people?

What is it SPECIFICALLY?

Link?



It's my journey, and it will be my mistakes, and if the old adage is true, and I know it is, we learn from our mistakes!

Why deny me my mistakes?

Did not you Paul say that we gentiles, not having the law of the jews, still do by nature what is right, and is that not a moral compass, Nature?

Yes, your morals will differ slightly from mine, we are not all robots from the same assembly line as you christians believe!

Earth is a prison planet and the flesh is our cells, and it is used by all races throughout the galaxy for their unwanteds for whatever reason, and this is why we are such a diverse species!



Nobody here on this thread has denied you your mistakes as far as I have seen.

You talk of this "nature" who put it there?

Maybe you believe it's just there. "Poof?"

If morals differ there are no limits.

I am free to self-determine and free to do as I please never having to consider your "differences" and without having to answer to anyone but myself.

Slippery slope. Chaos.


I do not live in a prison.

How dreary life must be with this mindset!

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.

On specifically what moral compass do you base your set of values?

What is this "law of the land" and how does each human being determine it?

What if my morals differ from yours?

Would that be ok with you?

Where are the details for this distinct moral compass that goes for ALL people?

What is it SPECIFICALLY?

Link?



It's my journey, and it will be my mistakes, and if the old adage is true, and I know it is, we learn from our mistakes!

Why deny me my mistakes?

Did not you Paul say that we gentiles, not having the law of the jews, still do by nature what is right, and is that not a moral compass, Nature?

Yes, your morals will differ slightly from mine, we are not all robots from the same assembly line as you christians believe!

Earth is a prison planet and the flesh is our cells, and it is used by all races throughout the galaxy for their unwanteds for whatever reason, and this is why we are such a diverse species!



Nobody here on this thread has denied you your mistakes as far as I have seen.

You talk of this "nature" who put it there?

Maybe you believe it's just there. "Poof?"

If morals differ there are no limits.

I am free to self-determine and free to do as I please never having to consider your "differences" and without having to answer to anyone but myself.

Slippery slope. Chaos.


I do not live in a prison.

How dreary life must be with this mindset!



Wow, and you christians say it is us non believers who don't accept realty!

Yes, your flesh is a prison cell, and it is your Jehovah/YHVH who is the warden!

Is not human misery universal, or are you christians exempt from the rules?

I am interested in your response.....

Please correct me if I am taking your comments out of context.

So....there is no actual tangible universal moral compass that applies to all humans and is agreed upon by all humans.....

.....but morals are "similar" in all faiths.

You believe that our actions are dependent on our individual beliefs (faith) and whatever we "believe" is right and wrong individually or what has been determined by other humans to be "right and wrong."


What if I reject all "faiths?"

I am free to do that right?


Why is the sociopath wrong then?

Maybe they have a different set of values?

Who says a person cannot harm another person if they want to?

You said morals could differ from your as long as a person doesn't sacrifice humans.

Who are you to tell anyone they can't do this?

Can't we each determine our morals since we are free to self-determine each......our own?

If you say that to sacrifice a human is "wrong" where did you hear that?

On what do you base that?

Your own "morals."

Suppose there are people who do not agree with or like your morals?

What then?

I am interested in your response.....

Please correct me if I am taking your comments out of context.

So....there is no actual tangible universal moral compass that applies to all humans and is agreed upon by all humans.....

.....but morals are "similar" in all faiths.

You believe that our actions are dependent on our individual beliefs (faith) and whatever we "believe" is right and wrong individually or what has been determined by other humans to be "right and wrong."


What if I reject all "faiths?"

I am free to do that right?


Why is the sociopath wrong then?

Maybe they have a different set of values?

Who says a person cannot harm another person if they want to?

You said morals could differ from your as long as a person doesn't sacrifice humans.

Who are you to tell anyone they can't do this?

Can't we each determine our morals since we are free to self-determine each......our own?

If you say that to sacrifice a human is "wrong" where did you hear that?

On what do you base that?

Your own "morals."

Suppose there are people who do not agree with or like your morals?

What then?

No there is no universal moral code,the foundation of most societies base codes was back in antiquity most is common sense what elders figured out; they also had to weave in a balance of consequences into their edicts which included the law of the land,in early times much of this was ascribed to the 'divine' and backed up by threats and curses of hell,poor reincarnations or whatever.

Fear is a major motivator for primitive peoples and the leaders used it.One assumes common sense is common sense worldwide,your other scenario is of course the'Gods' taught us moral codes,most of them being similar but with varying geographic differences depending on the 'God' and his own take on things.

I reject all faiths,but I have a moral code,there is nott a dogma,faith or creed on earth that is either not bullshit or twisted destorted and now run by the 'hive'.If you grow up in an athiest family you still can have a moral code instilled by parents,teachers and through activities such as martial arts which teach a respect for others and life.

You are free to reject all faiths and in all honesty there has not been a single greater thing I've done that has improved my mental health markedly.No more fear,shame,guilt,feelings of inadaquacy or unworthiness.

Sociopaths follow one of two courses if they apply themselves well they can become a Kissinger or Ceo if not they become bums.They are a case of management as long as they are allowed me first they'll do ok.Me first is their moral code which is ok as long as society manages it.

As for the rest of your questions,by all means follow Crowley's Do what thou wilst doctrine this is where karma comes in even Mike Tyson has had the living snot beaten out of him in a pub brawl.If you are incorrigble bad shit will probably eventually happen to you.

As for human sacrifice well thats a personal thing,if you accept it and believe that it will remove the black from the sun fine,but one things for sure,human sacrifice is the manifestation of theocracy,of which there has not been a positive one in human history.

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.

why are jesus worshippers mainly arrogant, patronizing, conceided judgemental tools like you? ;p

is that what your idol preaches you to be?

does your idol jesus demand his followers to be this way? sticking their nose into others business and if they dont accept your truth, they must be reminded how they ill burn in hell?

are you sure your jesus would support what you are doing now?

on top of that, consider this. jesus if he had been alive today, would have been a hippie against all kinds if violence and hate. so why are most of his followers in the usa hateful, murder supporting, racist rightwing nutcases?

;)

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.


Just as every other religion *could* *perhaps* *maybe* judge you based on it's principles instead of Christianity.


Atheists on reject 1 more god then Christians (out of thousands).

You and I wholeheartedly disagree.

BUT.......I cannot fault you for your particular point of view.

You do not answer to me as to your morals or your ultimate destiny.

Your answers took time and thought.

They were also quite clear and concise in explaining your thinking.

I appreciate such things even when the opinions deviate from my personal belief system and are delivered in a direct but polite spirit.

Thanks

Let's say for a moment that you dismiss Jesus,

His return to earth, and your ultimate judgment........


Guess what?

He is still going to return whether you like it or not.

You will be judged whether you like it or not.

You and I wholeheartedly disagree.

BUT.......I cannot fault you for your particular point of view.

You do not answer to me as to your morals or your ultimate destiny.

Your answers took time and thought.

They were also quite clear and concise in explaining your thinking.

I appreciate such things even when the opinions deviate from my personal belief system and are delivered in a direct but polite spirit.

Thanks

The moral code is just the y axis the other axis is the x axis which is like King Solomon ; having the reason,intellect and intelligence to apply it in the 'real world'.I will concede that you have the capacity to listen and reason which means your not a zealot like many others here.Thanks for the conversation.