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New BIOS boots to full, working operating system - before loading Windows (Phoenix Tech, #1 BIOS maker)

 
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New BIOS boots to full, working operating system - before loading Windows (Phoenix Tech, #1 BIOS maker)
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BIOS Maker Aims to Retake the PC
Phoenix Technologies is pushing its pint-size OS as a complement to Windows.

Typically, PC users do not give the low-level software on their computers a second thought. Known as the basic input-output system, or BIOS, this software plays an extremely important role in the way that computers work--checking and preparing hardware when a machine is switched on--but most people don't even know it's there.

California-based Phoenix Technologies--the largest provider of BIOS software to computer makers--has tired of being invisible. Building on the virtualization technology more common to high-power workstations and data centers, the company has revamped its BIOS software to offer features that people tend to associate with a full-blown operating system: the ability to access more peripherals, such as disks and mouses, and networking and wireless communications.

Earlier this year, Phoenix launched the slimmed-down operating system, dubbed HyperSpace, and in June, the company plans a major update, which will add e-mail capabilities and instant messaging. The goal is to allow people faster access to the core tasks for which they use their computers, says Woody Hobbs, CEO of the company.

"Our standard here, when we want to see how the PC should work, is to look at smart phones," he says. "Those are on almost all the time, they don't boot very often, and they are instant-on."

The core system software, as the company now calls its BIOS, builds on Linux operating system software and virtualization technology. Virtualization software started out as a way for users of one operating system, such as Windows XP, to run another operating system, such as Mac OS X or Linux, in a virtual environment. But as the technology has evolved, developers have recognized other advantages, aside from interoperability. By creating a virtualized layer of software, known as a hypervisor, between a computer's hardware and the operating system, for example, data can be transparently checked for viruses and other malicious software. In the business world, a single big server or a cluster of computers can run virtualized systems so that resources can be divvied up among customers.

Yet the technology has not found much use in consumer products. Now every PC and laptop shipped with Phoenix's core system software will also contain the necessary components to use the company's add-on HyperSpace. "It is going after a different audience," says Rob Enderle, a PC technology analyst. "It is trying to create a new market using the ideas of a fast-booting, safe platform that people can work in, but remain outside of Windows."

The most visible selling point for the slimmed-down operating system is speed. Because it does not carry the weight of numerous drivers, utility software, and add-ons, HyperSpace taxes the processor and memory far less than does Windows, Hobbs says. As time goes on, regular computers are typically slowed by legacy software too, he says. "Your system starts to get sluggish because of the registry, or drivers get out of date, or virus checking has to take place," Hobbs says. "A lot of people tell me that they got a new PC, and it starts up real fast. And I say one word: 'Wait.'"

Phoenix currently offers two versions of HyperSpace. The full-featured version allows PCs and laptops to hot-switch between the main operating system, such as Windows, and the HyperSpace environment. Computers that do not have enough processor power or memory to run both systems at the same time, such as the increasingly popular netbooks, can only boot into one mode at a time.

The software can be used in two other ways. As a nod to netbook manufacturers, Phoenix offers a mode called "dual resume," which allows the users to switch back and forth between the main operating system and HyperSpace completely, with some delay. In the fourth case, the core security software grabs input and output from the network and disk to check the data for security threats. In that case, "you won't even really know you are using hyperspace," Hobbs says.

The company has worked hard to get the technology right, and the CEO says that the user experience, and not the engineering, is the most important part. "If you don't get the experience right, the fact that you created the world's coolest technology doesn't matter," Hobbs says. "If you create instant-on garbage, no one will use it."

After Phoenix upgrades HyperSpace in June, it plans to focus on creating a better development platform to attract more application makers, says Hobbs. Part of this will mean opening an application store, much like Apple's iPhone app store.

Even with those ambitious plans, however, convincing consumers to adopt a new environment will be hard, says analyst Enderle. "This platform could be a native platform for the netbook, but I think it needs to mature a bit before many people will take it as it stands alone."
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 Quoting: Mr. Predictor

ROFLMAO
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Re: New BIOS boots to full, working operating system - before loading Windows (Phoenix Tech, #1 BIOS maker)
I have to think aboutt that.

Try this:

[link to www.reactos.org]

Now.............................
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Re: New BIOS boots to full, working operating system - before loading Windows (Phoenix Tech, #1 BIOS maker)
After a long while the opportunity to upgrade my system arose. I went with an i7 on an ASUS P6T Deluxe motherboard. I could not be happier with this computer. Now to the point the P6T board has exactly this. Honestly, this was the first thing I disabled in the BIOS. Now I have Windows 7 but built the system as an X86 Vista computer. An imbedded OS that allows for IM and limited browsing does not help me play Crysis. By the way did I mention that choosing the i7 was fantastic? Folks it is a quad core but in operation it has 8 virtual cores. 8 cpu’s show up in the device manager and with the triple channel DDR3 memory I found out I could under clock the whole thing down to 1.5GHz and not even notice that fact during operation. Hitting 4GHz on air the other day was also a fantastic computer moment for me too. All in all the only way to get more real speed now would be to get some SSD's (and I might do just that?)!
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After a long while the opportunity to upgrade my system arose. I went with an i7 on an ASUS P6T Deluxe motherboard. I could not be happier with this computer. Now to the point the P6T board has exactly this. Honestly, this was the first thing I disabled in the BIOS. Now I have Windows 7 but built the system as an X86 Vista computer. An imbedded OS that allows for IM and limited browsing does not help me play Crysis. By the way did I mention that choosing the i7 was fantastic? Folks it is a quad core but in operation it has 8 virtual cores. 8 cpu’s show up in the device manager and with the triple channel DDR3 memory I found out I could under clock the whole thing down to 1.5GHz and not even notice that fact during operation. Hitting 4GHz on air the other day was also a fantastic computer moment for me too. All in all the only way to get more real speed now would be to get some SSD's (and I might do just that?)!
 Quoting: Cranky 586322

Hmm...well, you can still install Windows and play that game, you don't lose functionality. However, if all you need to do is hop online or punch up a report or something, it would be nice to turn on the computer and run, not boot...and wait...and wait...especially with a processor with I7 specs. Just turn it on and a few seconds later, if that, go to work.

In a sense, this would work out well for many people. You want/need the Windows OS for something specific, and don't mind paying the additional bit to have it (preinstalled or purchased with a homemade system). I, on the other hand, don't want or need it, so it would be nice to not pay the Microsoft tax...and have the system boot faster.
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Great find.

I have often wondered how long it would be before hardware manufacturers would wake up to this idea. It took then long enough to figure out the idea of cheap Netbooks.

I have run Virtual PC in the days before Microsoft bought it from Connectrix. I introduced Virtual Server 2005 at my company as soon as it came out.

Virtualisation and the Hypervisor is the future, a slimmed down O/S designed exactly for the hardware, which can perform basic tasks is the future. All manufacturers need to do is agree on standardising Linux (it's biggest downfall!)

Window 7 and it's followers will only be used for high end systems and businesses. Microsoft have built a monster in (bloated) Vista, it could well be their demise, if they don't do an "XP embedded" type O/S! WinCE has always been crap.

"Piss on Microsoft!" LOL bump
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Great find.

I have often wondered how long it would be before hardware manufacturers would wake up to this idea. It took then long enough to figure out the idea of cheap Netbooks.

I have run Virtual PC in the days before Microsoft bought it from Connectrix. I introduced Virtual Server 2005 at my company as soon as it came out.

Virtualisation and the Hypervisor is the future, a slimmed down O/S designed exactly for the hardware, which can perform basic tasks is the future. All manufacturers need to do is agree on standardising Linux (it's biggest downfall!)

Window 7 and it's followers will only be used for high end systems and businesses. Microsoft have built a monster in (bloated) Vista, it could well be their demise, if they don't do an "XP embedded" type O/S! WinCE has always been crap.

"Piss on Microsoft!" LOL bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 679537

Of course, the problem with MS copycatting this move is that the Linux version can include applications like OpenOffice, Gimp, and other really useful software, and it would be painful for MS to either try and compete with some version of MS Works, or a slimmed-down MS Office...and they don't really have a viable answer to other applications without buying up a bunch of companies and giving away the software at a competitive level.

This really is a nightmare scenario for MS...their only real option is to try and destroy Phoenix's marketshare, but then they risk destroying their own...or somehow coerce Phoenix into benching the idea. With the potential for Phoenix to move from BIOS maker to major player (by creating a huge Linux market based on their own choice of distribution) I'm sure MS will pull out the legal team (and proxies) and try to hit Phoenix with monopoly concerns. Pretty much MS's only real leverage is their ties to congress.

As you said, most people knew a day like this would arrive, it's amazing it hasn't happened sooner, but it will be interesting watching this play out.
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