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Former Christian Fundamentalist DEBUNKS Inerrant Belief in the Bible

 
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Former Christian Fundamentalist DEBUNKS Inerrant Belief in the Bible
You bible fundamentalists are those who pervert the true message of Jesus.

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In Ehrman's latest book, "Jesus, Interrupted," he concludes:

Doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus and heaven and hell are not based on anything Jesus or his earlier followers said.

At least 19 of the 27 books in the New Testament are forgeries.

Believing the Bible is infallible is not a condition for being a Christian.


"Christianity has never been about the Bible being the inerrant word of God," Ehrman says. "Christianity is about the belief in Christ."

Ehrman says that no one accepts everything in the Bible. Everyone picks and chooses . He cites some New Testament's references to the role of women in church as an example.

In the first book of Corinthians, Ehrman says, the Apostle Paul insists that women should remain silent in church (1 Corinthians 14:35-36).

In the 16th chapter of the book of Romans, Paul's attitude is that women could and should be church leaders -- and he cites women who were serving as deacons and apostles in the early church, Ehrman says.

Ehrman backs his arguments with a deep knowledge of the culture and history of the New Testament world. He's written 20 books on early Christianity and is an authority on ancient manuscripts used to translate the Bible.

His claims, though, take on some of Christianity's most sacred tenets, like the resurrection of Jesus. Ehrman says he doesn't think the resurrection took place. There's no proof Jesus physically rose from the dead, and the resurrection stories contradict one another, he says.

He says he doesn't believe the followers of Jesus saw their master bodily rise from the dead, but something else.

"My best guess is that what happened is what commonly happens today when someone has a loved one die -- they sometimes think they see them in a vision," Ehrman says. "I think some of the disciples had visions."

Ehrman says he immerses himself in the Bible, though he doesn't believe in its infallibility, because it's the most important book in Western civilization.

Ehrman once had a different attitude toward the Bible.

He was raised in the Episcopal Church in Lawrence, Kansas, and became a fundamentalist Christian at age 15 when he met a charismatic Christian youth group leader who reached out to him. Ehrman says he later persuaded his parents to embrace a more conservative brand of Christianity.

He says he became so devoted to the Bible that he memorized entire sections. He was convinced the Bible was "God's words."

But Ehrman says he began to develop doubts about the infallibility of the Bible after attending Princeton Theological Seminary to become a college Bible professor.

He even began to change his opinion of the Christian youth group leader who helped convert him. The youth leader visited Ehrman's father when he was dying of cancer in a hospital.

The youth leader used a bottle of hotel shampoo to "anoint" his father, and tried to persuade his father to confess specific sins, Ehrman says. Ehrman says he was angry at the minister for acting "self-righteous" and "hypocritical."

"For a vulnerable high-schooler who is trying to figure out the world, a personality like that is very attractive," Ehrman says. "They're like cult leaders. They have all the answers."

Ehrman says he later became an agnostic because he couldn't find the answer to another question: How could there be a God when there is so much suffering in the world? An agnostic is one who disclaims any knowledge of God, but does not deny the possibility of God's existence.

Today, Ehrman describes himself as a "happy agnostic."

But some people can't believe an agnostic can be happy, he says. They tell him that they're praying for him. Others say worse. They say he's being fooled by Satan and he's headed to hell. Some say he's the anti-Christ.

"I'm not that powerful," he says, laughing.

His family, however, feels no obligation to talk to Ehrman about his ideas on the Bible, Ehrman says. His mother, brother and sister remain conservative Christians.

He once tried to talk to his mother about his new beliefs, but the discussion proved fruitless.

"My mom is a strong evangelical," Ehrman says. "We talk basketball. We don't talk religion."

Still, Ehrman says he still sends his mother and siblings copies of his latest books. They've never responded, he says.

"I imagine they're hidden in a back room," he says.

Whether it's his family, critics or students, Ehrman says he has a better handle on why he is so threatening to so many people -- some Christians worry they will make the same decision he has.

"I changed my mind," he says. "My students find me more dangerous that way. I really do know what they're talking about when they stake out an evangelical position."
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who cares what he believes....
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"Christianity has never been about the Bible being the inerrant word of God," Ehrman says. "Christianity is about the belief in Christ."
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what about.... looking up to Jesus?


Other than that, a round of applause for the man please.


Unfortunately, to take those fundachistards out of their delusions, they have to first be proved that Bible is complete BS before they can approach it again with a more critical eye to find the gold nuggets in it.

Last Edited by Whee! 8D on 05/15/2009 11:32 AM
The world woud be a thousand times better place if more cults existed.
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yeah.....Ehrman knows it all.......
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But the scriptures are the foundation of all faith as far as Christianity is concerned; the bible being inherant or not is a matter of personal opinion. It is my opinion that it is the Word of God and contains power to overcome all evil entities, and to tear down spiritual strongholds; I have been doing that for years with it, so my opinion is based upon experience.

Anything else is nothing more than opinion. I feel his effort to 'debunk" the bible is a major fail. He has only made a statement of opinion and lack of faith.
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but all you have done is make a statement of opinion and presence of faith
still don't make it true

But the scriptures are the foundation of all faith as far as Christianity is concerned; the bible being inherant or not is a matter of personal opinion. It is my opinion that it is the Word of God and contains power to overcome all evil entities, and to tear down spiritual strongholds; I have been doing that for years with it, so my opinion is based upon experience.

Anything else is nothing more than opinion. I feel his effort to 'debunk" the bible is a major fail. He has only made a statement of opinion and lack of faith.
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Did jesus ever start a religion????NO! Did Jesus ever take money in GOD'S NAME!! NEVER!! Did Jesus ever threaten someone because they did not share his beliefs. What teachings are you reading. Jesus said that he never gave permission to have his words written down! So what teachings of Christ are you subscribing to? Not one verse in the Bible is even close to accurate. Only 3 books(Works by Paul, Mathew,John) were even written by the so called apostles. And the ealiest was 60 years after Christ died. The book is a fine book of FICTION and stories. You can gain universal principles from Winnie the Poo if you pay attention, so you can gain wisdom and truth from the Bible. BUT IT IS MOSTLY FICTION and never meant to opress the masses with it.Much less intended to gain power over others because of it. Christian maybe -- Enlightened -- NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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Oh, CNN, the Communist News Network.

This all must be true chuckle
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