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The Great Ethanol Scam (ethanol destroys gas engines, too)

 
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Twice, I've already had to replace the fuel pump on my vehicle in the last 3 years. Hubby's getting damned good at replacing the fuel lines and primer pumps on ours and the neighbors' gas-engine landscaping tools. And SMOG in my area gets worse by the day.

As in all cases where vehicles are damaged by ethanol, legally the factory warranty no longer applied.


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The Great Ethanol Scam

Not only is ethanol proving to be a dud as a fuel substitute but there is increasing evidence that it is destroying engines in large numbers

By Ed Wallace

"Does the average citizen understand what this means? In from 10 to 20 years this country will be dependent entirely upon outside sources for a supply of liquid fuels … paying out vast sums yearly in order to obtain supplies of crude oil from Mexico, Russia, and Persia."—Yale Professor Harold Hibbert, ethanol promoter, 1925

More than one major transportation-based industry in America besides Detroit is on the ropes. For the fourth time in our history the ethanol industry has come undone and is quickly failing nationally. Of course it's one thing when Detroit collapsed with the economy; after all, that is a truly free-market enterprise and the economy hasn't been good. But the fact that the ethanol industry is going bankrupt, when the only reason we use this additive is a massive government mandate, is outrageous at best.

Then again, the ethanol lobby and refiners have a solution to ethanol's failure in America: Hire retired General Wesley Clark as your point man and lobby the government to increase the amount of ethanol in our fuel to 15%. The problems with that proposition are real—unlike ethanol's benefits.

Where's the Logic?
First, the primary job of the Environmental Protection Agency is, dare it be said, to protect our environment. Yet using ethanol actually creates more smog than using regular gas, and the EPA's own attorneys had to admit that fact in front of the justices presiding over the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in 1995 (API v. EPA).

Second, truly independent studies on ethanol, such as those written by Tad Patzek of Berkeley and David Pimentel of Cornell, show that ethanol is a net energy loser. Other studies suggest there is a small net energy gain from it.

Third, all fuels laced with ethanol reduce the vehicle's fuel efficiency, and the E85 blend drops gas mileage between 30% and 40%, depending on whether you use the EPA's fuel mileage standards (fueleconomy.gov) or those of the Dept. of Energy.

Fourth, forget what biofuels have done to the price of foodstuffs worldwide over the past three years; the science seems to suggest that using ethanol increases global warming emissions over the use of straight gasoline. Just these issues should have kept ethanol from being brought back for its fourth run in American history.

Don't let anybody mislead you: The new push to get a 15% ethanol mandate out of Washington is simply to restore profitability to a failed industry. Only this time around those promoting more ethanol in our gas say there's no scientific proof that adding more ethanol will damage vehicles or small gas-powered engines. With that statement they've gone from shilling the public to outright falsehoods, because ethanol-laced gasoline is already destroying engines across the country in ever larger numbers.

Got a Spare $1,000?
Last July was bad enough for motorists on a budget—gasoline prices had shot up to more than $4 a gallon. But for some the pain in the pocketbook was about to get worse. At City Garage in Euless, Tex., for example, the first of numerous future customers brought in an automobile whose fuel pump was shot. A quick diagnosis determined that that particular car had close to 18% ethanol in the fuel. For that unlucky owner, the repairs came to nearly $900. The ethanol fun was just beginning.

City Garage manager Eric Greathouse has found that adding ethanol to the nation's gasoline supply may be a foolish government mandate, but it has an upside he'd rather not deal with. It's supplying his shop with a slow but steady stream of customers whose plastic fuel intakes have been dissolved by the blending of ethanol into our gasoline, or their fuel pumps destroyed. The average cost of repairs is just shy of $1,000.

It gets better.

Scott Morrison is the owner of the City Garage chain in North Texas and he related the story of his technical director's run-in with ethanol; in December he filled up his E85 Flex Fuel Chevy Suburban at the Exxon station in Ovilla, just south of Dallas. His Suburban died on the spot, because even an E85-equipped vehicle will not run on the 100% pure ethanol that Exxon station was pumping that day. In that case it was not Exxon's fault but a mistake at the distribution center, and Exxon (XOM) quickly made good for the cost of repairs.

On Jan. 16 of this year, Lexus ordered a massive recall of certain 2006 to 2008 models, including the GS Series, IS and LS sedans. According to the recall notice, the problem is that "Ethanol fuels with low moisture content will corrode the internal surface of the fuel rails." In layman's terms, ethanol causes pinpoint leaks in the fuel system; when leaking fuel catches your engine on fire, that's an exciting way to have your insurance company buy your Lexus. Using ethanol will cost Toyota (TM) untold millions.

An Unpublicized Trend
Though the media is ignoring it, one can easily find many stories on BMW (BMWG.DE) blogs relating similar problems with fuel systems damaged by the use of ethanol. Certainly that was the case with Christi Jordan and her 2007 Mini. For weeks it was difficult to start; Moritz BMW in Arlington, Tex., inspected it and found severe carbon buildup inside the engine. On her second trip to the mechanics they decided to test the ethanol content of Christi's fuel and found it was much higher than the federally mandated limit of 10%. This time the fuel pump had been destroyed by the ethanol. The repair bill came to $1,200: As in all cases where vehicles are damaged by ethanol, legally the factory warranty no longer applied.

Jim Keppler, Moritz's fixed operations director, said he's had at least 10 other cases of ethanol poisoning in Minis over the past six months. Christi was one of the lucky ones; Moritz covered her repairs. But there's no telling how many motorists across the nation have had to pay for fuel pumps, or fuel systems, that ethanol damaged. Most were probably unaware of the real culprit behind the breakdown, because virtually no repair shop tests the level of ethanol in the gasoline when these fuel system problems occur.

And there are active lawsuits from boat owners; ethanol broke down the resins in their fiberglass gas tanks, destroying their marine engines. Additionally, those who deal in small gas engines for lawnmowers, edgers, and weedeaters have quickly learned that, as Briggs & Stratton's (BGG) Web site warns, "Ethanol-blended gasoline can attract moisture, which leads to separation and formation of acids during storage. Acidic gasoline can damage the fuel system of an engine while in storage. B&S strongly recommends removing ethanol-blended fuels from engine during storage."

Like motorists, if landscaping tool owners put gasoline with more than 10% ethanol in their small engines, that immediately voids any factory warranties. In the case of the Lexus recall, using just a 10% ethanol blend was found to be destroying many of these engines also.

Another Government-Mandated Mistake
It now appears that in just a few years since the government forced ethanol use on the country, engine and fuel system failures caused by ethanol are causing major damage to more and more new and used vehicles. This means the hapless owners are not only paying for snake oil in lower fuel efficiency and more smog, but pay again when it damages their vehicles and lawn mowers

We seem to have forgotten, but the promise of turning over farmland for fuel production was to reduce our nation's demand for imported crude.

But until this massive economic slowdown, as Gusher of Lies (PublicAffairs, 2008) author Robert Bryce pointed out, even while the ethanol mandate was being ramped up we were increasing our imports of foreign oil.

Translation: The entire politically stated purpose of using ethanol had already been proven to be a false one before the program even got fully under way.

No surprise there. The premise that ethanol could give America the freedom to one day stop importing oil has always been fraudulent. Another fun fact: If we outlawed gasoline and diesel, thereby removing every last car, truck and SUV from our highways—no vehicles anywhere on any road in the country—America would still have to import oil because we would still use more crude than domestic production can supply.

Why is that? Crude oil is also used to make fertilizers, aviation fuel, home heating oil, and many other products. Not to mention polyester suits for car salesmen.

Comment Now, Public!
Pushed into it by the corn growers' and ethanol refiners' lobbying organizations, today the EPA is starting to go through the public comment phase on increasing the level of ethanol in our gasoline from 10% to 15%. Time and time again we have heard from these groups, who now claim that there is zero scientific evidence that a 15% blend of ethanol would do any damage whatsoever if the mandate for ethanol were raised. As with all statements made by vested interests, few outsiders have actually taken the time to look and find out whether this statement was true.

In fact, it's false.


Not one mechanic I've spoken with said they would be comfortable with a 15% blend of ethanol in their personal car. However, most suggest that if the government moves the ethanol mandate to 15%, it will be the dawn of a new golden age for auto mechanics' income.

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Perhaps what we need to be looking at, instead, is the use of HEMP for an alternative fuel...and the creation of engines that can burn the alternatives without being destroyed the way ethanol destroys a gas engine?

I'm all for free energy, too, but I realize there's no profit for the MegaCorps in that. Still, Tesla was a god ignored.

I'm not for coal-fired electric plants, though. Electricity is NOT clean. You have to get it from the electric plant, and that plant either burns natural gas or coal. And these days, that coal is taken from the ground thru a process called "mountain topping." Mountain tops are removed and dumped into valleys, the coal is removed, and grass seed is tossed over the horrible mess as "reclamation." Fuck that shit.

It's time for a revolution of ideas...or the release of old ones (Tesla).
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

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Yep, I had my car in about 3 times in the last year because it just dies. All times the mechanic said the ethanol is starting to make valves stick in older cars.
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Yeah. Ive been saying this forever and nobody listens about this or anything else Im right on so Ive just stopped talking.

It also reduces your gas mileage although all the tree huggers will swear their car gets the same or better gas mileage using ethanol when thats not even possible.
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Yep, I had my car in about 3 times in the last year because it just dies. All times the mechanic said the ethanol is starting to make valves stick in older cars.
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have you got stainless steel valve seats? needed for gas only cars, so maybe would be a good start. price of valve seats < total valve replacement every XXX km's.
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I could have told anyone this a few years ago. My truck doesn't like ethanol whatsoever, since then the "check engine light" comes on after putting ethanol laced gas in. I put gas in one time, and had to run through 5 full tanks of regular unleaded and premium unleaded to get it flushed out. Also had to replace plugs and wires.

I'll never use ethanol gas again. Hubby and I got into it over this issue, and the last incident above sealed the deal. He use to argue with me, and I would budge an inch. He wanted to save a few cents per gallon...I wanted my truck to keep running. Now he knows when he puts gas in my truck, it better contain 0% ethanol.
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the corn lobbyists really are quite amazing
how in the world does bullshit like this get so main stream?
in no way on any level should it have ever been considered.
if all the corn in the country was used for fuel itd account for only 10% of our total fuel need. you cant move it thru piplines...it can only be moved in tanks

look at the label of any food and itll magically contain some form of corn. even peanut butter is sweetened with corn syrup O.o
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Yeah. Ive been saying this forever and nobody listens about this or anything else Im right on so Ive just stopped talking.

It also reduces your gas mileage although all the tree huggers will swear their car gets the same or better gas mileage using ethanol when thats not even possible.
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The so-called "tree huggers" are in with the ethanol folk, then. But isn't that always the way?

I use a gas additive now that's sold only in the DFW area, but it has made a huge difference in my mileage and in deferring the wear-and-tear on my engine since I had the fuel pumps replaced. I use RXP. It blows the carbon to hell and back.
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I could have told anyone this a few years ago. My truck doesn't like ethanol whatsoever, since then the "check engine light" comes on after putting ethanol laced gas in. I put gas in one time, and had to run through 5 full tanks of regular unleaded and premium unleaded to get it flushed out. Also had to replace plugs and wires.

I'll never use ethanol gas again. Hubby and I got into it over this issue, and the last incident above sealed the deal. He use to argue with me, and I would budge an inch. He wanted to save a few cents per gallon...I wanted my truck to keep running. Now he knows when he puts gas in my truck, it better contain 0% ethanol.
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You have a choice? Wow! We don't! The blend is mandated here in north Texas. If I could choose, I'd avoid it like the plague.
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

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Yeah. Ive been saying this forever and nobody listens about this or anything else Im right on so Ive just stopped talking.

It also reduces your gas mileage although all the tree huggers will swear their car gets the same or better gas mileage using ethanol when thats not even possible.


The so-called "tree huggers" are in with the ethanol folk, then. But isn't that always the way?

I use a gas additive now that's sold only in the DFW area, but it has made a huge difference in my mileage and in deferring the wear-and-tear on my engine since I had the fuel pumps replaced. I use RXP. It blows the carbon to hell and back.
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Thanks for the heads up on RXP Red. I searched it and see that Auto Zone carries it, maybe the one up here can get it in if they dont already? Will check with them.
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I could have told anyone this a few years ago. My truck doesn't like ethanol whatsoever, since then the "check engine light" comes on after putting ethanol laced gas in. I put gas in one time, and had to run through 5 full tanks of regular unleaded and premium unleaded to get it flushed out. Also had to replace plugs and wires.

I'll never use ethanol gas again. Hubby and I got into it over this issue, and the last incident above sealed the deal. He use to argue with me, and I would budge an inch. He wanted to save a few cents per gallon...I wanted my truck to keep running. Now he knows when he puts gas in my truck, it better contain 0% ethanol.


You have a choice? Wow! We don't! The blend is mandated here in north Texas. If I could choose, I'd avoid it like the plague.
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild



Yes, and we are a big producing state.

We have the Blended (cheapest gas), the Regular Unleaded (mid ranged), and Premium Unleaded (high buck). Where I originally came from (MN) the ethanol was the mid range, whereas Regular Unleaded was the cheap stuff, lol...Totally arse backwards.
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it seems not only are usa people retarded but usa manufacturers are cashing in on it

ethanol causes problems in fuel systems yes...

the fix is to use the correct materials in making the fuel systems in the first place

are any japanese car owners complaining about e10 fuel mixes stuffing their cars up??

NO

why??

because they have been building their cars ( since the mid 70's) to allow for it

so either `ya'll' driving pre70's cars- or (as per usual) the u.s. car manufacturers are ripping you off with substandard cars

(it costs about $5 per car more to make it e10 proof- the japs, eurocars, even brazil will do it...)

but the dumbarse yanks bitch about $4 a gallon gas and want gold plated cars for under a dollar

ya'll got what ya wanted...

pieces a of shit that break down
but they are `cheap'
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this is very disturbing.

what gasoline has no ethanol?

what brand?
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I saw on a pump the other day "This fuel FORTIFIED with 10% ethanol.
Fortified my arse!
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i know i saw a station with the sign,
no ethanol added, just pure gasoline.

i can't remember what station.
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I've been running 10% ethanol in my vehicles for almost 20 years, I've never had any problems with fuel pumps, filters or lines. My current newest vehicle is a 2000.

If you've been running regular unleaded then switch over to ethanol, a lot of gunk that is in your tank will make its way thru the lines, pump, etc. & will cause problems. But once all of that is cleared out, you're fine.
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Hey Red! I used to laugh when I went back home to Oklahoma and saw signs everywhere that advertised "NO Ethanol" I even had a friend who came down last Summer(To Dallas) and called me and asked where he could buy Ethanol free gas...maybe Okies aren't so dumb after all!
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It'll sure ruin a generator. Been there, done that.

Ethanol additives are mandated by County here, and by time of year. We just make sure we don't buy gas in THAT county during the winter months.

The corn that has been taken out of the food supply to make ethanol is driving up the price of feeds for animals, which is in turn driving up the cost of food on the table. The ethanol industry disputes that, but farmers/ranchers will tell you the real facts. At least, those that are still trying to farm.

Seems when it comes to energy we're damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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RGSC...I so miss your posts...glad you are back


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whtr u blabber mouths blabbering about!?!?! people use alchyhol to drive around with is cuz it makes yor car hella faster. it somtimes breaks fuel level senders (fart noise)
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this is very disturbing.

what gasoline has no ethanol?

what brand?
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I was told by a fuel supplier, high Octane fuel 91/92 octane has no Ethanol; problem more money, but you may get better fuel mileage. Toyota deal said don't use Ethanol fuel, use higher end fuel and your car or truck will run better.
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Any mechanic could tell you that ethanol destroys what it touches. The factory warranty has to cover the damages because the car is designed to run on it. The less ethanol you put in your tank, the longer your engine will last. Alcohol is especially hard on fuel system parts, so expect lots of fuel system problems with E85. E85 will get you somewhere between 10 and 20 percent less milage while it destroys your fuel pump, injectors, and other fuel system parts. I don't think there is any gas out there any more without ethanol. I used to search around and find stations without, but they all say 10% on the pumps now.
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I found an independent gass station that sells pure gas.

It cost one or two pennies more. (Whoopie shit.)

But I do like the fact that I only have to buy half as much of it because it DOUBLED my gas mileage.



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No, it's more GLPish to bitch about high gas prices than to find gas that goes twice as far for the same money.

And heaven forbid a greenie just stay home one fucking day instead of driving around while jerking off and giving working people with pickup trucks lectures on gas mileage.
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Here's a real peice of the smoke and mirrors game that will absolutely strike everybody down.

I make home brew alcohol...

it is a fermentation process that involves live yeast "eating" sugars mainly to convert the carbohydrons into alcohol.

One of the MAIN by-products of this process is the copious amounts of...

guess what....

CARBON DIOXIDE...!!!

you know that evil global warming gas

the one we are being taxed for now.

And this I have had catagorically confirmed by an industrial chemist.

So, when they produce "ethanol" which is alcohol, it is done this way and ONLY this way.

That might make you all think a bit about the crap you have been fed...no?

Oh and if you dont believe me, and I suggest you dont, but do your own research, what you will find is confirmation of what you have just read here.
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also...5*'s and a pin suggest...

this is one of the biggest con jobs ever pushed on to us all and everyone needs to have access to this information.
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this is very disturbing.

what gasoline has no ethanol?

what brand?
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I was told by a fuel supplier, high Octane fuel 91/92 octane has no Ethanol; problem more money, but you may get better fuel mileage. Toyota deal said don't use Ethanol fuel, use higher end fuel and your car or truck will run better.
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Shell V Power in Canada has no ethanol. I believe all gas in the states contains some ethanol. The Shell V Power is the only gas I will put in my motorcycle. Cant afford it for my truck though.
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Here's a real peice of the smoke and mirrors game that will absolutely strike everybody down.

I make home brew alcohol...

it is a fermentation process that involves live yeast "eating" sugars mainly to convert the carbohydrons into alcohol.

One of the MAIN by-products of this process is the copious amounts of...

guess what....

CARBON DIOXIDE...!!!

you know that evil global warming gas

the one we are being taxed for now.

And this I have had catagorically confirmed by an industrial chemist.

So, when they produce "ethanol" which is alcohol, it is done this way and ONLY this way.

That might make you all think a bit about the crap you have been fed...no?

Oh and if you dont believe me, and I suggest you dont, but do your own research, what you will find is confirmation of what you have just read here.
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READ THIS AGAIN AND WAKE UP...JEEZ
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Here's a real peice of the smoke and mirrors game that will absolutely strike everybody down.

I make home brew alcohol...

it is a fermentation process that involves live yeast "eating" sugars mainly to convert the carbohydrons into alcohol.

One of the MAIN by-products of this process is the copious amounts of...

guess what....

CARBON DIOXIDE...!!!

you know that evil global warming gas

the one we are being taxed for now.

And this I have had catagorically confirmed by an industrial chemist.

So, when they produce "ethanol" which is alcohol, it is done this way and ONLY this way.

That might make you all think a bit about the crap you have been fed...no?

Oh and if you dont believe me, and I suggest you dont, but do your own research, what you will find is confirmation of what you have just read here.
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READ THIS AGAIN AND WAKE UP...JEEZ
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bump

everyone needs the chance to understand this conn job.
It dropped off too quickly, so one more try
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Yep, I had my car in about 3 times in the last year because it just dies. All times the mechanic said the ethanol is starting to make valves stick in older cars.
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Dies how?

Like as if you've run out of gas, but your gas light is not on?
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02/23/2012 01:47 AM
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