The Great Ethanol Scam (ethanol destroys gas engines, too) | |
| Redheaded Stepchild (OP) User ID: 670454 05/16/2009 02:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps what we need to be looking at, instead, is the use of HEMP for an alternative fuel...and the creation of engines that can burn the alternatives without being destroyed the way ethanol destroys a gas engine? I'm all for free energy, too, but I realize there's no profit for the MegaCorps in that. Still, Tesla was a god ignored. I'm not for coal-fired electric plants, though. Electricity is NOT clean. You have to get it from the electric plant, and that plant either burns natural gas or coal. And these days, that coal is taken from the ground thru a process called "mountain topping." Mountain tops are removed and dumped into valleys, the coal is removed, and grass seed is tossed over the horrible mess as "reclamation." Fuck that shit. It's time for a revolution of ideas...or the release of old ones (Tesla). "Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul. Silence is consent. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 672705 05/16/2009 02:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah. Ive been saying this forever and nobody listens about this or anything else Im right on so Ive just stopped talking. It also reduces your gas mileage although all the tree huggers will swear their car gets the same or better gas mileage using ethanol when thats not even possible. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 680228 05/16/2009 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, I had my car in about 3 times in the last year because it just dies. All times the mechanic said the ethanol is starting to make valves stick in older cars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 680315have you got stainless steel valve seats? needed for gas only cars, so maybe would be a good start. price of valve seats < total valve replacement every XXX km's. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 651697 05/16/2009 02:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could have told anyone this a few years ago. My truck doesn't like ethanol whatsoever, since then the "check engine light" comes on after putting ethanol laced gas in. I put gas in one time, and had to run through 5 full tanks of regular unleaded and premium unleaded to get it flushed out. Also had to replace plugs and wires. I'll never use ethanol gas again. Hubby and I got into it over this issue, and the last incident above sealed the deal. He use to argue with me, and I would budge an inch. He wanted to save a few cents per gallon...I wanted my truck to keep running. Now he knows when he puts gas in my truck, it better contain 0% ethanol. |
| Jym User ID: 680326 05/16/2009 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the corn lobbyists really are quite amazing how in the world does bullshit like this get so main stream? in no way on any level should it have ever been considered. if all the corn in the country was used for fuel itd account for only 10% of our total fuel need. you cant move it thru piplines...it can only be moved in tanks look at the label of any food and itll magically contain some form of corn. even peanut butter is sweetened with corn syrup O.o |
| Redheaded Stepchild (OP) User ID: 670454 05/16/2009 03:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah. Ive been saying this forever and nobody listens about this or anything else Im right on so Ive just stopped talking. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 672705It also reduces your gas mileage although all the tree huggers will swear their car gets the same or better gas mileage using ethanol when thats not even possible. The so-called "tree huggers" are in with the ethanol folk, then. But isn't that always the way? I use a gas additive now that's sold only in the DFW area, but it has made a huge difference in my mileage and in deferring the wear-and-tear on my engine since I had the fuel pumps replaced. I use RXP. It blows the carbon to hell and back. "Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul. Silence is consent. |
| Redheaded Stepchild (OP) User ID: 670454 05/16/2009 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could have told anyone this a few years ago. My truck doesn't like ethanol whatsoever, since then the "check engine light" comes on after putting ethanol laced gas in. I put gas in one time, and had to run through 5 full tanks of regular unleaded and premium unleaded to get it flushed out. Also had to replace plugs and wires. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 651697I'll never use ethanol gas again. Hubby and I got into it over this issue, and the last incident above sealed the deal. He use to argue with me, and I would budge an inch. He wanted to save a few cents per gallon...I wanted my truck to keep running. Now he knows when he puts gas in my truck, it better contain 0% ethanol. You have a choice? Wow! We don't! The blend is mandated here in north Texas. If I could choose, I'd avoid it like the plague. "Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul. Silence is consent. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 651697 05/16/2009 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah. Ive been saying this forever and nobody listens about this or anything else Im right on so Ive just stopped talking. Quoting: Redheaded StepchildIt also reduces your gas mileage although all the tree huggers will swear their car gets the same or better gas mileage using ethanol when thats not even possible. The so-called "tree huggers" are in with the ethanol folk, then. But isn't that always the way? I use a gas additive now that's sold only in the DFW area, but it has made a huge difference in my mileage and in deferring the wear-and-tear on my engine since I had the fuel pumps replaced. I use RXP. It blows the carbon to hell and back. Thanks for the heads up on RXP Red. I searched it and see that Auto Zone carries it, maybe the one up here can get it in if they dont already? Will check with them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 651697 05/16/2009 03:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could have told anyone this a few years ago. My truck doesn't like ethanol whatsoever, since then the "check engine light" comes on after putting ethanol laced gas in. I put gas in one time, and had to run through 5 full tanks of regular unleaded and premium unleaded to get it flushed out. Also had to replace plugs and wires. Quoting: Redheaded StepchildI'll never use ethanol gas again. Hubby and I got into it over this issue, and the last incident above sealed the deal. He use to argue with me, and I would budge an inch. He wanted to save a few cents per gallon...I wanted my truck to keep running. Now he knows when he puts gas in my truck, it better contain 0% ethanol. You have a choice? Wow! We don't! The blend is mandated here in north Texas. If I could choose, I'd avoid it like the plague. Yes, and we are a big producing state. We have the Blended (cheapest gas), the Regular Unleaded (mid ranged), and Premium Unleaded (high buck). Where I originally came from (MN) the ethanol was the mid range, whereas Regular Unleaded was the cheap stuff, lol...Totally arse backwards. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 680542 05/16/2009 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it seems not only are usa people retarded but usa manufacturers are cashing in on it ethanol causes problems in fuel systems yes... the fix is to use the correct materials in making the fuel systems in the first place are any japanese car owners complaining about e10 fuel mixes stuffing their cars up?? NO why?? because they have been building their cars ( since the mid 70's) to allow for it so either `ya'll' driving pre70's cars- or (as per usual) the u.s. car manufacturers are ripping you off with substandard cars (it costs about $5 per car more to make it e10 proof- the japs, eurocars, even brazil will do it...) but the dumbarse yanks bitch about $4 a gallon gas and want gold plated cars for under a dollar ya'll got what ya wanted... pieces a of shit that break down but they are `cheap' |
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| mopar28m Lev. 23:15-22 User ID: 682881 05/19/2009 04:59 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been running 10% ethanol in my vehicles for almost 20 years, I've never had any problems with fuel pumps, filters or lines. My current newest vehicle is a 2000. If you've been running regular unleaded then switch over to ethanol, a lot of gunk that is in your tank will make its way thru the lines, pump, etc. & will cause problems. But once all of that is cleared out, you're fine. |
| mathetes User ID: 514914 05/19/2009 05:07 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Red! I used to laugh when I went back home to Oklahoma and saw signs everywhere that advertised "NO Ethanol" I even had a friend who came down last Summer(To Dallas) and called me and asked where he could buy Ethanol free gas...maybe Okies aren't so dumb after all! For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
| locomotion User ID: 420444 05/19/2009 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It'll sure ruin a generator. Been there, done that. Ethanol additives are mandated by County here, and by time of year. We just make sure we don't buy gas in THAT county during the winter months. The corn that has been taken out of the food supply to make ethanol is driving up the price of feeds for animals, which is in turn driving up the cost of food on the table. The ethanol industry disputes that, but farmers/ranchers will tell you the real facts. At least, those that are still trying to farm. Seems when it comes to energy we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. |
| Avian User ID: 464853 05/19/2009 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | RGSC...I so miss your posts...glad you are back Woot for a great American Woman ![]() "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frédéric Bastiat food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11233420 02/21/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was told by a fuel supplier, high Octane fuel 91/92 octane has no Ethanol; problem more money, but you may get better fuel mileage. Toyota deal said don't use Ethanol fuel, use higher end fuel and your car or truck will run better. |
| Epic Beard Guy Constitutional Crusader User ID: 1079209 02/21/2012 07:41 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any mechanic could tell you that ethanol destroys what it touches. The factory warranty has to cover the damages because the car is designed to run on it. The less ethanol you put in your tank, the longer your engine will last. Alcohol is especially hard on fuel system parts, so expect lots of fuel system problems with E85. E85 will get you somewhere between 10 and 20 percent less milage while it destroys your fuel pump, injectors, and other fuel system parts. I don't think there is any gas out there any more without ethanol. I used to search around and find stations without, but they all say 10% on the pumps now. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9704425 02/21/2012 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found an independent gass station that sells pure gas. It cost one or two pennies more. (Whoopie shit.) But I do like the fact that I only have to buy half as much of it because it DOUBLED my gas mileage. ***Ethanol is a FUCKING SCAM to get you to buy more gas.*** ..... ..... .....![]() __________Get it? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9704425 02/21/2012 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, it's more GLPish to bitch about high gas prices than to find gas that goes twice as far for the same money. And heaven forbid a greenie just stay home one fucking day instead of driving around while jerking off and giving working people with pickup trucks lectures on gas mileage. |
| arkay User ID: 944501 02/22/2012 01:38 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a real peice of the smoke and mirrors game that will absolutely strike everybody down. I make home brew alcohol... it is a fermentation process that involves live yeast "eating" sugars mainly to convert the carbohydrons into alcohol. One of the MAIN by-products of this process is the copious amounts of... guess what.... CARBON DIOXIDE...!!! you know that evil global warming gas the one we are being taxed for now. And this I have had catagorically confirmed by an industrial chemist. So, when they produce "ethanol" which is alcohol, it is done this way and ONLY this way. That might make you all think a bit about the crap you have been fed...no? Oh and if you dont believe me, and I suggest you dont, but do your own research, what you will find is confirmation of what you have just read here. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6163527 02/22/2012 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was told by a fuel supplier, high Octane fuel 91/92 octane has no Ethanol; problem more money, but you may get better fuel mileage. Toyota deal said don't use Ethanol fuel, use higher end fuel and your car or truck will run better. Shell V Power in Canada has no ethanol. I believe all gas in the states contains some ethanol. The Shell V Power is the only gas I will put in my motorcycle. Cant afford it for my truck though. |
| arkay User ID: 944501 02/22/2012 05:45 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a real peice of the smoke and mirrors game that will absolutely strike everybody down. Quoting: arkay I make home brew alcohol... it is a fermentation process that involves live yeast "eating" sugars mainly to convert the carbohydrons into alcohol. One of the MAIN by-products of this process is the copious amounts of... guess what.... CARBON DIOXIDE...!!! you know that evil global warming gas the one we are being taxed for now. And this I have had catagorically confirmed by an industrial chemist. So, when they produce "ethanol" which is alcohol, it is done this way and ONLY this way. That might make you all think a bit about the crap you have been fed...no? Oh and if you dont believe me, and I suggest you dont, but do your own research, what you will find is confirmation of what you have just read here. READ THIS AGAIN AND WAKE UP...JEEZ |
| arkay User ID: 944501 02/23/2012 12:37 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a real peice of the smoke and mirrors game that will absolutely strike everybody down. Quoting: arkay I make home brew alcohol... it is a fermentation process that involves live yeast "eating" sugars mainly to convert the carbohydrons into alcohol. One of the MAIN by-products of this process is the copious amounts of... guess what.... CARBON DIOXIDE...!!! you know that evil global warming gas the one we are being taxed for now. And this I have had catagorically confirmed by an industrial chemist. So, when they produce "ethanol" which is alcohol, it is done this way and ONLY this way. That might make you all think a bit about the crap you have been fed...no? Oh and if you dont believe me, and I suggest you dont, but do your own research, what you will find is confirmation of what you have just read here. READ THIS AGAIN AND WAKE UP...JEEZ ![]() everyone needs the chance to understand this conn job. It dropped off too quickly, so one more try |
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