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What a moran.

Biden Reveals Classified Information?
[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

Joe Biden is proving impossible to parody.

In one of the few funny jokes at the White House correspondents dinner, Wanda Sykes won loud laughter when she joked that terrorists interested in learning America's most important secrets would only have to ask Biden how he's doing.

According to an account in Newsweek, Biden did give up one of the country's secrets at another dinner where journalists and politicians make fun of Republicans (and occasionally laugh at each other). Biden told his dinnermates about the existence of a secret bunker under the Vice President's Residence at the U.S. Naval Observatory.
Eleanor Clift writes:

Ever wonder about that secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney secreted himself after the 9/11 attacks? Joe Biden reveals the bunker-like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn’t be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall.

Despite more than fifteen trips to the VPR over the past five years, and despite having conducted dozens of interviews about security precautions taken for Cheney and his staff after 9/11, I was never told such a bunker existed.

I was able to learn and write about Cheney's getaways at Camp David, extra measures taken for him when he traveled on Air Force Two, and even the use of a "dummy" plane sometimes used in combat zones. But no one ever mentioned this secure facility at the Naval Observatory.

The obvious conclusion: Its existence was highly classified.

So what was Joe Biden doing talking about it at the Gridiron Dinner? And, if it was indeed classified, will this disclosure be referred to the Justice Department?
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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.
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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.
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suspecting it and describing it for the world are two different things. Previously, where terrorists might have targeted it, now they WILL

And I am less easygoing than you about our second in command casually describing classified information.

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I believe anyone targeting the bunker with Cheney in it would be called a PATRIOT, not a terrorist.

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Living in the DC area, I remember when it was built. No big secret.
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Living in the DC area, I remember when it was built. No big secret.
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The construction crews were quite open about the project at the V.P. mansion; building a secure basement bunker for the Veep, possibly family and certainly his aides. In fact, neighbors were pretty upset with all the noise during the construction of it. Some said that they even heard explosions as the bunker was "hollowed out". I think the media picks Biden as the "comic relief" to keep the heat off of Obama. This is the reverse of the previous administration when Bush was the comic relief for the true power behind the throne, Cheney.
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If I was to have a secret bunker, it would be the old US Steel Iron ore mines in Alabama. They were closed in 1959, but were in great condition. They are over two thousand feet deep and run for miles. Big, long and tall.
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I believe anyone targeting the bunker with Cheney in it would be called a PATRIOT, not a terrorist.

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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.

suspecting it and describing it for the world are two different things. Previously, where terrorists might have targeted it, now they WILL

And I am less easygoing than you about our second in command casually describing classified information.
 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts


Yea, big secret:

Cheney's neighbours stoke bunker rumours
9 December, 2002

Dick Cheney is getting a nuclear bunker. Or a spy tunnel. Or a helicopter landing pad. Or maybe nothing at all.

Rumours are rife in Washington about the nature of building work being carried out at the Naval Observatory, which includes the official residence of the vice-president of the United States.

But though regular blasts and construction traffic show that something is going on at 1 Observatory Circle, no-one will say what it is.

Neighbours upset by the noise were sent a letter from the observatory's superintendent which said: "Due to its sensitive nature in support of national security and homeland defence, project specific information is classified and cannot be released."

The letter went on to say that the work was urgent and needed to be done "on a highly accelerated schedule".

A spokeswoman for the US Navy told BBC News Online that the work was "an infrastructure and utility upgrade".

'Deep digging'

She could not comment on whether the work was at Mr Cheney's home or elsewhere in the grounds which continue to be used by the navy for scientific work and contains the clock which sets official time in the US.

Neighbours contacted by The Washington Post newspaper said they believed workers were digging deep into the ground but without official information, they are left to speculate about the purpose.

While there is no word that Mr Cheney's home is even involved, the vice-president's key role in the aftermath of the 11 September attacks and the admitted "national security and homeland defence" nature of the work is fuelling the rumours. [link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Shakin' And Quakin' Under Cheney's Crib
Washington Post 12-8-02


One man thought the noise was a sonic boom.
Another guessed he was hearing rolling thunder.

When a woman feared it was a bomb or an earthquake, she called the police. But they had no answers, either.

No one in the Massachusetts Avenue Heights neighborhood of Northwest Washington knows what is going on at the house of their neighbor, the vice president of the United States.

But one thing is certain: They're tired of the daily blasting at the Naval Observatory that has shaken houses, rattled windows and knocked mirrors off the walls.

"None of the neighbors object to any construction that is necessary in the Navy's view," said Nancy Nord, a community activist who lives on Observatory Circle. "What we do object to is that there is no sense of the magnitude, no warning about something so intrusive to our lives and no clear sense how long this is going to go or when it's going to stop."

The blasts, which last three to five seconds apiece, have been going off two or three times a day -- as early as 7 a.m. and as late as 11 p.m. -- for nearly two months, residents say. But neighbors have received so little information from government officials about the top-secret project that speculation is running wild.

The leading theory: A security bunker is being built for Vice President Cheney. The second most-popular guess: The government is digging tunnels to spy on nearby embassies. In third place: A helicopter hangar is under construction.

As the government roots out terrorists around the globe and gears up for a possible military confrontation with Iraq, nothing is out of the realm of possibility, neighbors say.

"After 9/11, when you hear a big blast for the first time, you wonder what is going on," said Iza Warner, who had a mirror fall off the wall of her home on Davis Street, a few blocks away from the construction site. Warner called the police after guests at a dinner party became frightened by the racket.

"One guest said, 'Oh, my God, what is going on -- an earthquake?' " Warner recalled. "She said it sounded just awful. I called the police, and they looked around but they couldn't tell us anything."

Thus far, the federal government's only response to the residents has been a three-page letter that the observatory's superintendent, David W. Gillard, sent to the advisory neighborhood commissioner, Rosalyn P. Doggett, on Nov. 20.

The blasting could last eight more months, Gillard said in the letter, but the Navy has attempted to limit noise by silencing backup alerts on trucks and removing most diesel-powered electric generators from the construction site.

He did not disclose the nature of the project, however. "Due to its sensitive nature in support of national security and homeland defense, project specific information is classified and cannot be released," Gillard wrote. "In addition, please understand we are severely constrained by operation requirements to perform this project on a highly accelerated schedule; therefore, it will not be possible to limit construction activities to the daytime as you request."

Doggett said the letter raised as many questions as it answered. "I got back an information sheet that I thought was just not pertinent," she said. "They do not have to tell us exactly what is happening, but they do need to minimize the impact."

The matter has alarmed D.C. Council member Kathy Patterson (D-Ward 3), who said she has asked Deputy Mayor Margret Nedelkoff Kellems to press White House officials to work out a resolution.

"If the federal government is not being a good neighbor, we'll elevate the issue to a level where something can be done," Patterson said. "We want to know what we can know about what they're up to and if they are able to be a bit more responsive."

The Naval Observatory, which opened at 3450 Massachusetts Ave. in 1893, houses many of the Navy's precious instruments used for measuring time and astronomy. The house on its grounds was designated as the vice president's residence in 1974.

If residents' speculation is accurate and construction workers are digging deep into the ground, the project would be going through about 35 feet of common sand and gravel, according to federal officials at the U.S. Geological Survey. Anything beyond that depth would hit tonalite, an intrusive igneous rock similar to granite and common to this area.

Phyllis Bonanno said her 89-year-old mother, who lives with her on Observatory Circle, is "quite upset when the boom goes off."

"Everybody appreciates that there's always national security issues," Bonanno said. "On the other hand, this is a neighborhood. We're owed the courtesy of an explanation."

To Davis Street resident Joe Rieser, the noise is "quite remarkable. It's like thunder -- it rolls. The windows rattle. It's not something I'm used to. I'm concerned whether there are cracks in my house."

Navy spokeswoman Cate Mueller described the work as "infrastructure and utility upgrades." She said that officials are continually monitoring the project and have not discovered any physical damage to buildings on observatory grounds. The vibrations from the blasts are below regulatory standards for construction in the city, she added.

"If people came to us with damage, we would work with them on the claim," Mueller said. "Some neighbors are concerned. We take that seriously. We're doing what we can to make things better."

Longtime residents said they have never heard such sounds coming from the Naval Observatory. Because they live in the nation's capital, however, many say they are resigned to living in a secretive world.

"Yeah, I'd like to know more," said Carol Hindle, who lives on Davis Street. "But I do not trust that what I hear would be the whole truth. This is Washington, after all."

And because it's Washington, the situation also is laced with political humor.

"I just got back from Connecticut," said Warner. "When I mentioned this to my nephew, he said maybe [Cheney] is drilling for oil." [link to www.rense.com]


But you're right, I'm sure the "terrorists" would rather storm a heavily defended fortification as opposed to an impregnable Whitehouse correspondents dinner or some other public affair VPs regularly attend.
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yeah, you're all right. Talking openly about the secret bunkers so that the terrorists can target our highest offices is no big deal.

[Boy, have our standards sunk.]

Then again, no one raised an eyebrow at Obama's openly talking about the secret of Israel's nuke capabilities.

[repeat comment above]

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yeah, you're all right. Talking openly about the secret bunkers so that the terrorists can target our highest offices is no big deal.

[Boy, have our standards sunk.]

Then again, no one raised an eyebrow at Obama's openly talking about the secret of Israel's nuke capabilities.

[repeat comment above]
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Maybe it was only a secret to you Bobs.
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What a moran.

Biden Reveals Classified Information?
[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

Joe Biden is proving impossible to parody.

In one of the few funny jokes at the White House correspondents dinner, Wanda Sykes won loud laughter when she joked that terrorists interested in learning America's most important secrets would only have to ask Biden how he's doing.

According to an account in Newsweek, Biden did give up one of the country's secrets at another dinner where journalists and politicians make fun of Republicans (and occasionally laugh at each other). Biden told his dinnermates about the existence of a secret bunker under the Vice President's Residence at the U.S. Naval Observatory.
Eleanor Clift writes:

Ever wonder about that secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney secreted himself after the 9/11 attacks? Joe Biden reveals the bunker-like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn’t be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall.

Despite more than fifteen trips to the VPR over the past five years, and despite having conducted dozens of interviews about security precautions taken for Cheney and his staff after 9/11, I was never told such a bunker existed.

I was able to learn and write about Cheney's getaways at Camp David, extra measures taken for him when he traveled on Air Force Two, and even the use of a "dummy" plane sometimes used in combat zones. But no one ever mentioned this secure facility at the Naval Observatory.

The obvious conclusion: Its existence was highly classified.

So what was Joe Biden doing talking about it at the Gridiron Dinner? And, if it was indeed classified, will this disclosure be referred to the Justice Department?
 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts


If you didn't already figure out that there were tunnels and bunkers everywhere under DC then I am not sure there is any help for ya.
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If you didn't already figure out that there were tunnels and bunkers everywhere under DC then I am not sure there is any help for ya.
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not the point that there are some. The point is revealing them in casual conversation.
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Joe Biden is a lose lipped idiot and Obama picked him. Which is worse? only time will tell.
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If you didn't already figure out that there were tunnels and bunkers everywhere under DC then I am not sure there is any help for ya.

not the point that there are some. The point is revealing them in casual conversation.
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If the MSM wants to actually start reporting on the conversation that they happen to hear then I am all ears.
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well it is logical that bunkers woud be all over washinton. for fast access while traveling to locations. in the event a sudden bunker is needed at once. from a great empending threat or national emergency .it makes sense .for civilians to have a fast access well supplied safe room..the idea is from ancient times ..but would be nice in modern times too .. chicago bootleggers had tunnels dug out and safe hidden rooms for gambling speak easy clubs all over underground chicago . .the idea is not new..castles and huge mansions had escapes routes too for its owners from the sitting rooms and bedrooms etc ..
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from sayanythingblog--

A fairly insignificant little man, a known liar, shoots off his mouth about something he really shouldn’t just to make himself sound more important to the people he’s speaking to…sound familiar?
It’s foot-in-mouth Joe Biden, not content to make stuff up about his grades, or FDR’s televised chats during the Great Depression, now resorts to telling the truth about things better left unsaid:

Ever wonder about that secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney secreted himself after the 9/11 attacks? Joe Biden reveals the bunker-like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment.

Geez, Joe! Why don’t you paint a bullseye on the place while you’re at it? If the Vice President’s residence is ever successfully targeted, I believe we should call the resulting crater the “Joseph Biden ‘I can’t Keep My Mouth’ Shut Memorial Hole in the Ground” so that future generations may marvel at his powers of discretion!
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biden is a dick...
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yeah, you're all right. Talking openly about the secret bunkers so that the terrorists can target our highest offices is no big deal.

[Boy, have our standards sunk.]

Then again, no one raised an eyebrow at Obama's openly talking about the secret of Israel's nuke capabilities.

[repeat comment above]
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Dumbfuck
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yeah, you're all right. Talking openly about the secret bunkers so that the terrorists can target our highest offices is no big deal.

[Boy, have our standards sunk.]

Then again, no one raised an eyebrow at Obama's openly talking about the secret of Israel's nuke capabilities.

[repeat comment above]

Dumbfuck
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and your point is...?
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I not tryin to giv ya a hard time, It's just that I would not for one moment think that there was not some way to get the VP from his place to a secure location without travelin on roads.

Is this really a story........Just sayin.
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I believe anyone targeting the bunker with Cheney in it would be called a PATRIOT, not a terrorist.

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I agree
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I not tryin to giv ya a hard time, It's just that I would not for one moment think that there was not some way to get the VP from his place to a secure location without travelin on roads.

Is this really a story........Just sayin.
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it is not the point that there is a bunker under the VP house. I agree, that is to be expected. However, there are some things a high official, privy to certain information, does not talk about. There is a difference between suspected but unconfirmed and discussed and described in detail. It is like drawing a big bulls' eye on the thing for madmen and terrorists to come against.

Biden is well-known for saying open secrets, closed secrets, and general dumb cluck comments.

In the original post, the writer noted that Wanda Sykes won loud laughter when she joked that terrorists interested in learning America's most important secrets would only have to ask Biden how he's doing. This is a concern, for there is a great deal of truth to it.
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COG means that after you are dead from any attack the government will be able to govern your dead body.


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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.

suspecting it and describing it for the world are two different things. Previously, where terrorists might have targeted it, now they WILL

And I am less easygoing than you about our second in command casually describing classified information.
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Yeah.
They are going to get Biden.
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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.

suspecting it and describing it for the world are two different things. Previously, where terrorists might have targeted it, now they WILL

And I am less easygoing than you about our second in command casually describing classified information.
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It's an open secret, asshole. People who lived nearby have complained for years about the underground blasting at that location.
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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.

suspecting it and describing it for the world are two different things. Previously, where terrorists might have targeted it, now they WILL

And I am less easygoing than you about our second in command casually describing classified information.



It's an open secret, asshole. People who lived nearby have complained for years about the underground blasting at that location.
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I agree that it is an open secret. That isn't the issue. Talking about it is the issue. You don't talk about things like this in open, casual conversation.
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Hardly up there with this:

"A brief recap — Plame’s husband, Joseph Wilson, was a foreign service officer and ambassador who refuted President Bush’s claim that Iraq had sought nuclear weapons from “Africa.” Bush made the claim, which has since been disproven, in his 2003 State of the Union address — part of his justification for going to war with Iraq. Wilson simply said that Bush was either wrong or was lying. He proved it convincingly in a New York Times column and in his book, "The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife’s CIA Identity — A Diplomat’s Memoir."

In retaliation against this breech of the party line, someone affiliated with Bush and/or the Republicans tried to discredit Wilson by publicly identifying his wife, Plame, as a CIA operative. Naming someone publicly in this capacity is tantamount to treason, and it is a federal crime. In effect, it’s helping the terrorists identify American citizens who work for the government so they can target them and perhaps murder them. So, someone in the Bush adminstration, or the Republican Party, committed a treasonous act, and identified Plame in an effort to silence her husband for telling the truth about Bush’s misstatement of fact as he tried to justify the Iraq invasion. This was a crime. And it is still being investigated by a federal prosecutor and the FBI.
[link to www.commondreams.org]

Given Obamas stand on not prosecuting torturers and other Bushco crimes I hope no one's holding their breath on that one going anywhere.

As pointed out above, this has been public knowledge (if you pay attention) since 2002 and probably even longer in the shadow world and I'll reiterate my previous comment - see if you can spot the sarcasm:

"I'm sure the "terrorists" would rather storm a heavily defended fortification as opposed to an impregnable Whitehouse correspondents dinner or some other public affair VPs regularly attend."
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yeah, you're all right. Talking openly about the secret bunkers so that the terrorists can target our highest offices is no big deal.

[Boy, have our standards sunk.]

Then again, no one raised an eyebrow at Obama's openly talking about the secret of Israel's nuke capabilities.

[repeat comment above]
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You know pirate roberts,
You are constantly critizing others who do not agree with your beliefs or opinions. This board is here so we can all express our views and truths to form our own opinions and truths. So move on and quit being so belittling to us who have our own voice and beliefs. Seriously, you do better discussing weather, not to mention it just does not show good Christian character putting others down when they disagree.
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Biden is funny. But I'd expect the VP's house to have a bunker, just like the WH. No surprise there really.
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Stop trying to give him a free pass. If its secret or classified he should be professional enough (especially considering hes the VP) to keep his mouth shut about it.
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yeah, you're all right. Talking openly about the secret bunkers so that the terrorists can target our highest offices is no big deal.

[Boy, have our standards sunk.]

Then again, no one raised an eyebrow at Obama's openly talking about the secret of Israel's nuke capabilities.

[repeat comment above]

You know pirate roberts,
You are constantly critizing others who do not agree with your beliefs or opinions. This board is here so we can all express our views and truths to form our own opinions and truths. So move on and quit being so belittling to us who have our own voice and beliefs. Seriously, you do better discussing weather, not to mention it just does not show good Christian character putting others down when they disagree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 651515

huh? LOL
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17

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