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GREY LENSMAN
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SO MUCH TO DO , SO LITTLE TIME TO DO IT IN BUT ITS SUNDAY. TIMES TO RELAX AND PONDER ON THE MEANING AND THE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE. PITY ASTRONOMERS DONT DO THAT.

GREY


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i vote stars
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I voted for "Big Bang", but we really need an "all of the above" option.
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I voted for "Big Bang", but we really need an "all of the above" option.
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Ditto! It amases me how so many are so opinionated about things they know so little about! stir
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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WITH YOU FOR "ALL OF THE ABOVE" BUT I FELT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH NUTJOB THEORY CAUSED THE MOST AFFRONT TO GLP INTELLIGENCE.

FOR THOSE A BIT DIM , DIRTY SNOWBALLS REFERS TO COMETS

GL
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WITH YOU FOR "ALL OF THE ABOVE" BUT I FELT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH NUTJOB THEORY CAUSED THE MOST AFFRONT TO GLP INTELLIGENCE.

FOR THOSE A BIT DIM , DIRTY SNOWBALLS REFERS TO COMETS

GL
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I guess the "Big Bang" would be the ultimate NUTJOB THEORY, then!

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SO MUCH TO DO , SO LITTLE TIME TO DO IT IN BUT ITS SUNDAY. TIMES TO RELAX AND PONDER ON THE MEANING AND THE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE. PITY ASTRONOMERS DONT DO THAT.

:GREY:


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and he's a moderator...

all you need to know about glp
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"Big Bang" is crap:

[link to www.metaresearch.org]

Also, "Hubble Red Shift" is not a measure of speed or distance, but of age. Halton Arp OBSERVED many high red shift objects in front of low red shift galaxies (ie. closer to us than the galaxies).
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Did you know that caps reduce read speed by 10%?
The world woud be a thousand times better place if more cults existed.
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Ozicell

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WITH YOU FOR "ALL OF THE ABOVE" BUT I FELT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH NUTJOB THEORY CAUSED THE MOST AFFRONT TO GLP INTELLIGENCE.

FOR THOSE A BIT DIM , DIRTY SNOWBALLS REFERS TO COMETS

GL
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OOOHHHH! And I thought it was about dropping my marshmallow in the ashes! scratching
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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bump hf
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I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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Black holes exist. Dark matter and the big bang are theories and are presented as such. Maybe you have some better ideas?
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Black holes are not holes, but compressed cores of stars, like the other compact objects like neutron stars, pulsars, magnetars, blazars etc. They are all the same object just with varying strength, size and mass. A hole in space, please. as for the big bang theory... "In the beginning there was nothing and then it exploded" - Terry Pratchett.
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I WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF YOU COULD OFFER THE SLIGHTEST PROOF THAT BLACK HOLES EXIST. THEY ARE PURELY A MATHEMATICAL CONSTRUCT TO COVER THE FACT THAT OBSERVATIONS DONT MATCH THEORY.

IN AN ELECTRICAL UNIVERSE ALL IS EXPLAINED WITHOUT ANY CONSTRUCTS.

GL
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I WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF YOU COULD OFFER THE SLIGHTEST PROOF THAT BLACK HOLES EXIST. THEY ARE PURELY A MATHEMATICAL CONSTRUCT TO COVER THE FACT THAT OBSERVATIONS DONT MATCH THEORY.

IN AN ELECTRICAL UNIVERSE ALL IS EXPLAINED WITHOUT ANY CONSTRUCTS.

GL
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Hi GL, here's a thought.......... An observer is watching an object moving away from them at a greater than the speed of light speed. What do they see? As light cannot move faster than the speed of light......Duh, it will always be following the object and never actually reach the observer. Wallah, the observer sees a black hole from which even light cannot escape!
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BIG BANG (12) 66.7%
it's a rationale idea that by design sucks people in to the idea. It's the age of the Universe that is really the suspect here.

BLACK HOLES (2) 11.1%
light can't get out, works for me.

DARK MATTER (1) 5.6%
is dark energy
DARK ENERGY (2) 11.1%
is dark matter
It's all dark, making this a lark.
So dark you can't see it BUT you can see through????
REALLY

DIRTY SNOWBALLS
not so much
some are some are not.
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I WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF YOU COULD OFFER THE SLIGHTEST PROOF THAT BLACK HOLES EXIST. THEY ARE PURELY A MATHEMATICAL CONSTRUCT TO COVER THE FACT THAT OBSERVATIONS DONT MATCH THEORY.

IN AN ELECTRICAL UNIVERSE ALL IS EXPLAINED WITHOUT ANY CONSTRUCTS.

GL
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Well, this is true! I don't think that astronomy has anything to do with black hole theory. As you said, it's something mathematical physicists have come up with and argue over.
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i voted big bang. but 'all of the above' would be spot on ;)

i'd also add the redshift=distance theory.
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The GREATEST ASTRONOMER SCAM in numbers - revelaed by one and the same

[link to www.google.com]
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SO MUCH TO DO , SO LITTLE TIME TO DO IT IN BUT ITS SUNDAY. TIMES TO RELAX AND PONDER ON THE MEANING AND THE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE. PITY ASTRONOMERS DONT DO THAT.
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Oh, but they do, and with considerably more knowledge, intellect, and insight than some comic-book reading kook on the internet.

In other words - your thoughts and taunts about science are as meaningless and irrelevant as a 3-year old's. I'd guess that's why you are so bitter.


R.
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BITTER???????????

LOOKS LIKE ITS YOU THAT NEEDS TO DO THE RESEARCH.

REMEMBER BASIC SCIENCE, EXPERIMENT, PROOF, EVIDENCE, THESE CLOWNS ADMIT 99% OF THEIR EVIDENCE IS MISSING, THEN PROCEED TO THEORISE AND MAKE BELIEVE. AT THE SAME TIME THEY REFUSE POINT BLANK TO SEE THE EVIDENCE OF PLASMA AND ELECTRIC CURRENTS.

GL
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BITTER???????????

LOOKS LIKE ITS YOU THAT NEEDS TO DO THE RESEARCH.

REMEMBER BASIC SCIENCE, EXPERIMENT, PROOF, EVIDENCE, THESE CLOWNS ADMIT 99% OF THEIR EVIDENCE IS MISSING, THEN PROCEED TO THEORISE AND MAKE BELIEVE. AT THE SAME TIME THEY REFUSE POINT BLANK TO SEE THE EVIDENCE OF PLASMA AND ELECTRIC CURRENTS.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Au contraire, it is you who need a tutorial in *very* basic science.

Your admiration for the "electric uniniverse" kooks due to their lack of use of "constructs", as you call them, shows just how ignorant of science you are.

Paraphrasing you - "They don't do maths and model the physical properties they are trying to explain. They are just "idea men" - and who cares if it doesn't make any sense or match observable data, it 'resonates' with me."

Just because you and your 'heroes' don't understand science and can't do maths doesn't mean the rest of us cannot.

Classic pseudoscience.

Have fun in your delusional world where data and maths do not matter but commic-book ideas are embraced.


R.
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THE EARTH CENTRICS HAD THE MATHS. THEY EXPLAINED ALL THAT THEY SAW. MATHS CAN MODEL ANY SCENARIO. THE MATH DOES NOT PROVE THE PUDDING.

IN ADDITION ELECTRICAL AND PLASMA PHYSICS ARE MODELED, TESTED AND PROVEN OVER LARGE RANGE SCALES. TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE OF YOUR UNFOUNDED CLAIM

YOU FOLLOW THEIR SAME PATTERN, BAD MOUTH AND RUBBISH THE MESSENGER BUT PROVIDE NOT VALID EXPLANATIONS.

I HAVE STUDIED AND USED ASTRONOMY FOR OVER 40 YEAR. I KNOW THE MAINSTREAM MODEL MAKES NO SENSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE AND ONE DAY THE GRAVITY ONLY MODEL WILL FIND ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THE DUSTBIN.

RECONNECTING MAGNETIC LINES, POPPY COCK. IT ONLY TAKES A FEW NONSENSE THINGS LIKE THAT TO COOK THE WHOLE STEW.

GL
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The only one I think is total bs is the big bang theory...
"Livin' The Dream..."

"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"

"So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..."

"Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..."

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Here we go, the irrelevant side-tracking word salad.

420

THE EARTH CENTRICS HAD THE MATHS. THEY EXPLAINED ALL THAT THEY SAW. MATHS CAN MODEL ANY SCENARIO. THE MATH DOES NOT PROVE THE PUDDING.
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They did? News to me.
They did? News to me.
It can? News to me.
What is your point?


IN ADDITION ELECTRICAL AND PLASMA PHYSICS ARE MODELED, TESTED AND PROVEN OVER LARGE RANGE SCALES. TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE OF YOUR UNFOUNDED CLAIM
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Yes they are, and quite exquisitely, by physicists. Your point?


YOU FOLLOW THEIR SAME PATTERN, BAD MOUTH AND RUBBISH THE MESSENGER BUT PROVIDE NOT VALID EXPLANATIONS.
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Tit for tat for the electric universe kooks. The explanations are all over the web. You just can't understand them and refuse to look at them so you get your "science" from some radio repairman in Aus. who has nothing but pages and pages of meaningless word-salad "explanations". Howa can I even begin to educate someone with a 3rd grade understanding of maths and science?



I HAVE STUDIED AND USED ASTRONOMY FOR OVER 40 YEAR. I KNOW THE MAINSTREAM MODEL MAKES NO SENSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE AND ONE DAY THE GRAVITY ONLY MODEL WILL FIND ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THE DUSTBIN.
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Sure you have.
Sure you do.
Only the uneducated ignoramuses.


RECONNECTING MAGNETIC LINES, POPPY COCK. IT ONLY TAKES A FEW NONSENSE THINGS LIKE THAT TO COOK THE WHOLE STEW.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


You know, a 3 year old has ideas also. They don't do math or "constructs" either. They'll tell you at great length and with much detail about their "idea" of how things work even if what they say makes no sense and observations invalidate what they say. They don't care. They live in fantasyland.

Just like adult kooks.


R.
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WITH YOU FOR "ALL OF THE ABOVE" BUT I FELT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH NUTJOB THEORY CAUSED THE MOST AFFRONT TO GLP INTELLIGENCE.

FOR THOSE A BIT DIM , DIRTY SNOWBALLS REFERS TO COMETS

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


To "scam" would suggest there was something in it for the astronomer, the suggestions you offer are theories based on scientific evidence.

Scams are fruitcake ideas like Planet X.
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind"
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BTW GL,

You aren't by chance a sister of IDW's are you?

If you continue with this (and I or others pursue it) with your very limited knowledge of science and math you will soon find yourself claiming things such as photons don't exist and that they are merely 'really fast' electrons.


R.
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WHO GETS THE PLUSH JOBS, THE BILLIONS IN RESEARCH, THE BIG TELESCOPES.

GO AGAINST THE TREND AND YOU ARE CUT OUT OF THE GRAVY TRAIN.

POINT OUT THAT THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES AND YOU GET THE POSTS ABOVE ,INSULTS AND DIATRIBES, BUT NO FACTS NO EVIDENCE NO SUBSTANTIATION.

MISSING NEUTRINOS, WELL THEY CHANGE COLOUR AND HEY THE MATHS SUPPORTS IT DESPITE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE.

MASS MISSING, WELL MAKE UP MASS, DIVIDE BY ZERO.

RED SHIFT, WELL IGNORE THE CLOSE BY REDSHIFTS

THE LIST IS ALMOST ENDLESS.

NOTICE I REFER TO CLAIMS, NOT PERSOANL INSULTS.

GL

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YOU FOLLOW THEIR SAME PATTERN, BAD MOUTH AND RUBBISH THE MESSENGER BUT PROVIDE NOT VALID EXPLANATIONS.

GL
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One last post before I let you get back to fantasyland.

Take a look at your Original Post and tell me who started bad-mouthing whom.

Can you spot the nasty hypocrite?
Sure you can.


R.
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Can you spot the nasty hypocrite?
Sure you can.

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Of course he can't ! Do you expect reason from someone who can only type in capitals ?
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