Your interpretations of the Bible one way or the other have nothing to do with my beliefs and how I interpret the Bible. Jesus was not the Son of God in a literal sense.
What Gradient and I showed you were many verse in the Bible that flat out prove Jesus is God and is the Son of God, and that God is triune in nature. That's not interpretation. That's just straight out verses and what they themselves prove.
And no, that doesn't affect your beliefs. All it shows is that you do not believe the Bible, and that you have your own interpretation and beliefs about Jesus. But this thread is not about your beliefs. This thread is about what the Koran says about the Bible, and how the Koran contradicts itself in regard to the Bible.
This thread has nothing to do with your beliefs on the subject, but rather, what the Bible teaches about Jesus and what the Koran teaches about the Bible. You are welcome to go debate Jesus in another thread, but this thread it not about that. It's about inconsistancies in the Koran and asking MUSLIMS to explain those inconsistancies and contraditions.
Shall I begin to point out the long list of contradictions in the Bible? Or would you rather just google it?
Jack, posting that in here just makes it look like another diversion. There are eleventy BILLION threads on bible contradictions....But not the Koran, or Mohhamed ( be upon him)
This thread has nothing to do with that. "Do the work like you're in control, pray like God is in control"
glptrainer@yahoo.com
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 5:03 PM
So if your reading the Koran and you see "the book" you would think it means the bible and not the Koran? Your logic is flawed.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664416
Okay, to post in this thread, it would be wise to first have some information about Koran. Any Muslim will tell you that in their Koran, anyone referred to as "people of 'the book'" is referring to the Jews, and 'the book' is referring to their Torah or Bible. I had forgotten if it were referring to specifically the Torah or the entire New Testament, but I knew what the Koran meant when it said "the book". You may want to do some more research before posting in this thread again. Good luck. - Brian
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 5:06 PM
Oh joy! I love people like you who proudly come in and think that they're giving these videos to Christians that haven't done their research, fully expecting to have those Christians start making excuses and freak out because they can't disprove or have no answer for your nifty little video. Boy did you come into the wrong thread for that.
I LOVE addressing the supposed "contradictions" in the Bible. Because all they do is show that the poster has never really actually tried to understand the Bible as a whole and how the doctrines work and what it's all about. Because if the posted HAD done that properly, the poster would see that those contradictions are not contradictions at all, just misunderstandings due to a lack of knowledge. It basically shows the ignorance of the poster and their laziness in studying to find real answers, and it usually shows that they're easily duped by propoganda like this. lol
And in fact, if you want to start a thread about your little video here, PLEASE, by all means, start one and then post here the link to your thread here in this thread and private message me the thread link as well. I will gladly come over and show the major mistakes of that video, and address a completely sound theory for why there were so many "messiahs" that seem similar to Jesus. I'll also ask you some fun questions that, when you're done answering them, will have you confessing that there must be a God... because if you say otherwise, it will show you to be completely illogical and irrational and show a complete lack of common sense. :)
Also, you should start a thread about the supposed "contraditions" in the Bible you spoke of. And then list a bunch of them out for us. Place a link here in this thread and I'll come explain every one of them to you and prove that none of them are contradictions. I'm more than happy to share what I know about these subjects so that you can be a better informed atheist/agnostic.
If you want to challenge me with your propoganda, then by all means, let's go. Let's see who turns out looking rational and well studied in the end. I'm all for it. I've done this many times and it's a lot of fun. Good luck!
Last Edited by BrianC on 5/18/2009 at 5:20 PM - Brian
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 5:15 PM
Jack, posting that in here just makes it look like another diversion. There are eleventy BILLION threads on bible contradictions....But not the Koran, or Mohhamed ( be upon him)
This thread has nothing to do with that.
Quoting: Gradient
Okay, so there are contradictions in the Koran. And?
And just for the record, I don't really jump into those threads trying to "debunk" the Bible. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
Anonymous Coward User ID: 682069 United Kingdom 5/18/2009 5:16 PM
Oh joy! I love people like you who proudly come in and think that they're giving these videos to Christians that haven't done their research, fully expecting to have those Christians to start making excuses and freak out because they can't disprove or have no answer for you nifty little video. Boy did you come into the wrong thread for that.
I LOVE addressing the supposed "contradictions" in the Bible. Because all they do is show that the poster has never really actually tried to understand the Bible as a whole and how the doctrines work and what it's all about. It basically just shows the ignorance of the poster and their laziness in studying to find real answers, and it usually shows that they're easily duped by propoganda like this. That's awesome! lol
And in fact, if you want to start a thread about your little video here, PLEASE, by all means, start one and then post here the link to your thread here in this thread and private message me the thread link as well. I will gladly come over and show the major mistakes of that video, and address a completely sound theory for why there were so many "messiahs" that seem similar to Jesus. I'll also ask you some fun questions that, when you're done answering them, will have you confessing that there must be a God... because if you say otherwise, it will show you to be completely illogical and irrational and show a complete lack of common sense. :)
Also, you should start a thread about the supposed "contraditions" in the Bible you spoke of. And then list a bunch of them out for us. Place a link here in this thread and I'll come explain every one of them to you and prove that none of them are contradictions. I'm more than happy to share what I know about these subjects so that you can be a better informed atheist/agnostic.
If you want to challenge me with your propoganda, then by all means, let's go. Let's see who turns out looking rational and well studied in the end. I'm all for it. I've done this many times and it's a lot of fun. Good luck!
Quoting: BrianC
You're beginning to sound like a fanatic. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 5:18 PM
Yea i refute it and many muslims also. The verse is in the Quran but not the interpetion, thats yours!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682069
But all his interpretations are the RIGHT ones. Riiiiight. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 5:23 PM
So you call a Christian that knows the Bible well and knows how to refute your claims and enjoys it a "Fanatic"? Interesting... So, do you call Scientists who know a lot about their field and love to refute false claims about their field fanatics as well?
Last I checked, I don't have any outrageous beliefs and I would never do anything so ridiculous as to go out and hurt someone or do something crazy because of religious beliefs. Nor would I join any cults or be duped into anything.
Sounds to me like you just enjoy diverting attention from the fact that you're scared to debate me about contradictions because you might get owned in the debate. :) - Brian
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 5:32 PM
Yea i refute it and many muslims also. The verse is in the Quran but not the interpetion, thats yours!
But all his interpretations are the RIGHT ones. Riiiiight.
Quoting: Jackinthebox
I never said I was correct. I am just expressing what the Bible teaches and showing the verses that back it up. I'm using verses against verses with no interpretation involved (in regard to the current topic, that is).
But just to say that the interpretation is incorrect is kind of pointless. The thread is not about interpretation. The thread is about explaining why the Koran says to read the Bible, and what Muslims think about that. You guys are really good at making pointless, off-topic statements without posting any facts to back up the statements or that contribute to the thread and back up whatever you're saying. I guess if you stay off-topic, we can just ignore you. :) - Brian
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 5:42 PM
So you call a Christian that knows the Bible well and knows how to refute your claims and enjoys it a "Fanatic"? Interesting... So, do you call Scientists who know a lot about their field and love to refute false claims about their field fanatics as well?
Last I checked, I don't have any outrageous beliefs and I would never do anything so ridiculous as to go out and hurt someone or do something crazy because of religious beliefs. Nor would I join any cults or be duped into anything.
Sounds to me like you just enjoy diverting attention from the fact that you're scared to debate me about contradictions because you might get owned in the debate. :)
Quoting: BrianC
What's to debate? So there are contradictions in the Koran. And a million of them in the Bible too. So what? When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 5:44 PM
And just for the record, I don't really jump into those threads trying to "debunk" the Bible.
Quoting: Jackinthebox
Okay, let me see if I can size you up then since you give these lofty statements and then flee when you see someone coming after you claiming they can refute the proofs you claim you have.
It would appear that the reason you don't jump into these threads trying to debunk the Bible because you don't actually understand the subject very well at all. It appears at the moment that you are just a person that likes to surf YouTube and atheist/agnostic websites that tell you someone else's "interpretation" of the Bible and religion and how it's all a big joke. It appears that you take their word for it without studying it for yourself to really see if what they're saying it true, because it fits what you want to believe so you go with it. And when someone challenges that, you're the first one running out the door for cover by diverting any challenges and saying things like, "I don't really jump into those threads trying to 'debunk' the Bible."
That's basically the definition of a dupe. A lot of Christians are like that, you know? They go to church, they listen to what their pastor says and believe every word of it, assuming their pastor knows what he's talking about and knows the whole truth, and they never go read for themselves and learn WHY they believe what they believe. And when someone comes up to them trying to shake their faith, asking them to produce proof or reasons why they believe what they believe, they fall apart and can't explain why. That's a dupe. A lot of cults are made of dupes that just follow what some pastor/leader says without actually trying to backup what they believe with their own study. That sounds a lot like you. :)
I don't only have Biblical and historical proof of what I believe... I also understand science pretty darn well and philosophy (which, oddly enough, is extremely scientific in nature when you get back to origins). You'd be surprized how quickly a good philosopher can use science and reason and logic to make a person's beliefs seem completely absurd. It's a great thing to learn, as is the science. Science is so very intriguing. I love it. Care to discuss that too?
Come back and take me up on some challenges when you have some actual facts and understanding of what you're trying to debate and then we'll have some fun. Until then, please refrain from making baseless comments that you're not ready to back up with facts and proper debate. Also, stay on topic if you want to post in this thread. If you're not a well read Muslim that knows the Koran well and how to answer the question posed, don't continue posting here.
But that's your choice. Come back and accept my challenge when you actually have some understanding of what you're - Brian
Anonymous Coward User ID: 682069 United Kingdom 5/18/2009 5:44 PM
Yea i refute it and many muslims also. The verse is in the Quran but not the interpetion, thats yours!
That made no sense, really, without facts to back up what you're saying. Your statement was so broad, I haven't a clue exactly what you mean.
Quoting: BrianC
What i mean is that you are interpetating the Quran to suit your agenda and your believe. Arabic language specially Quranic arabic is not a childs play. Even the arabs and who know arabic cannot comprehend the Quran completley.
If you really want to the meanings of the verses you quoted, then i advice you thatyou see a muslim scholar.
One who imagines himself to be all-knowing will surely suffer on account of his ignorance.
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 5:45 PM
Yea i refute it and many muslims also. The verse is in the Quran but not the interpetion, thats yours!
But all his interpretations are the RIGHT ones. Riiiiight.
I never said I was correct. I am just expressing what the Bible teaches and showing the verses that back it up. I'm using verses against verses with no interpretation involved (in regard to the current topic, that is).
But just to say that the interpretation is incorrect is kind of pointless. The thread is not about interpretation. The thread is about explaining why the Koran says to read the Bible, and what Muslims think about that. You guys are really good at making pointless, off-topic statements without posting any facts to back up the statements or that contribute to the thread and back up whatever you're saying. I guess if you stay off-topic, we can just ignore you. :)
Quoting: BrianC
You're so biased against Muslims you can't even see through your blinders to see how foolish you look right now.
Like I said right at the beginning, Muslims believe in Jesus. They just don't think he is the Son of God. They seem his as a very important prophet though, on par with Mohammed. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 5:47 PM
So you call a Christian that knows the Bible well and knows how to refute your claims and enjoys it a "Fanatic"? Interesting... So, do you call Scientists who know a lot about their field and love to refute false claims about their field fanatics as well?
Last I checked, I don't have any outrageous beliefs and I would never do anything so ridiculous as to go out and hurt someone or do something crazy because of religious beliefs. Nor would I join any cults or be duped into anything.
Sounds to me like you just enjoy diverting attention from the fact that you're scared to debate me about contradictions because you might get owned in the debate. :)
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What's to debate? So there are contradictions in the Koran. And a million of them in the Bible too. So what?
Quoting: Jackinthebox
What's to debate? You made an accusation that the Bible has contradictions. That's completely debatable, because I have seens full websites devoted to telling every supposed contradition in the Bible, and I've been able to explain every contradition so that it is shown to be a simple misunderstanding of what the verse or the doctrines are actually talking about. It's not hard if you know the Bible somewhat well.
Then you posted a video about false Messiahs. That's completely debatable too. There are VERY good reasons for why we see a bunch of false Messiahs before Christ. There are also a lot of inaccuracies in that video you posted. I find it funny that they guy uses them when they are clearly wrong, yet he insists on using those supposed facts about Christianity. It's down-right comical.
Therefore, there's plenty to debate. - Brian
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 5:52 PM
And just for the record, I don't really jump into those threads trying to "debunk" the Bible.
Okay, let me see if I can size you up then since you give these lofty statements and then flee when you see someone coming after you claiming they can refute the proofs you claim you have.
It would appear that the reason you don't jump into these threads trying to debunk the Bible because you don't actually understand the subject very well at all. It appears at the moment that you are just a person that likes to surf YouTube and atheist/agnostic websites that tell you someone else's "interpretation" of the Bible and religion and how it's all a big joke. It appears that you take their word for it without studying it for yourself to really see if what they're saying it true, because it fits what you want to believe so you go with it. And when someone challenges that, you're the first one running out the door for cover by diverting any challenges and saying things like, "I don't really jump into those threads trying to 'debunk' the Bible."
That's basically the definition of a dupe. A lot of Christians are like that, you know? They go to church, they listen to what their pastor says and believe every word of it, assuming their pastor knows what he's talking about and knows the whole truth, and they never go read for themselves and learn WHY they believe what they believe. And when someone comes up to them trying to shake their faith, asking them to produce proof or reasons why they believe what they believe, they fall apart and can't explain why. That's a dupe. A lot of cults are made of dupes that just follow what some pastor/leader says without actually trying to backup what they believe with their own study. That sounds a lot like you. :)
I don't only have Biblical and historical proof of what I believe... I also understand science pretty darn well and philosophy (which, oddly enough, is extremely scientific in nature when you get back to origins). You'd be surprized how quickly a good philosopher can use science and reason and logic to make a person's beliefs seem completely absurd. It's a great thing to learn, as is the science. Science is so very intriguing. I love it. Care to discuss that too?
Come back and take me up on some challenges when you have some actual facts and understanding of what you're trying to debate and then we'll have some fun. Until then, please refrain from making baseless comments that you're not ready to back up with facts and proper debate. Also, stay on topic if you want to post in this thread. If you're not a well read Muslim that knows the Koran well and how to answer the question posed, don't continue posting here.
But that's your choice. Come back and accept my challenge when you actually have some understanding of what you're
Quoting: BrianC
What "facts?" How the hell are you going to debate facts when you are talking about faith you dope?
But you know what. You're like a friggin child. You're a moron and your thread sucks. So have fun you tool.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 6:00 PM
You're so biased against Muslims you can't even see through your blinders to see how foolish you look right now.
Like I said right at the beginning, Muslims believe in Jesus. They just don't think he is the Son of God. They seem his as a very important prophet though, on par with Mohammed.
Quoting: Jackinthebox
You have once again shown that you haven't a clue what the point of this thread was.
I posted suras (and a video) that show the Koran itself saying that Muslims should read the Bible and believe it. So the Koran advocates the Bible.
If Muslims go to the Bible and read it, they will find that the Bible says Jesus is the Son of God and is God. Therefore, they would come to a fork in the road. On the one hand, the Koran tells them that Jesus did not die on the cross for our sins, and that the Bible is corrupt. But on the other hand, their Koran tells them to read the Bible because it is given by God. It does not warn them in those verses that the Jews or Christians altered the Bible to make it false. It simply tells them to read it and believe it, otherwise they have fallen far far away from the truth.
That is a major contradiction in the Koran. This is not a debate on whether Muslims believe in Jesus or not. This is a debate about the major contradiction in the Koran and whether they are believing a lie about who Jesus really is. Historical records, both Biblical and secular, are in agreement about what happened to Jesus. The Koran is one of the only major historical document that claims something else happened to Jesus (and does so 600 years later and offers no proof to back up its claims). It simply makes a statement and assumes the readers will believe it and disregard all other historical records.
There are false Jesuses in belief systems. They are the spirit of antichrist. If the real Jesus is God and died for our sins so that we can be saved, and if that's true, then any false Jesus that can divert someone from the real Jesus and being saved would be a great victory for Satan. Satan's whole game is confusing the world so they don't find the one truth that is important and that can get them saved. So he counterfits exceptionally well, and he is extremely intelligent and clever. We're addressing the truth and contradictions and explanations here. Watch the video again and post something on-topic if you like, but I'm about to start ignoring your posts if you can't stay on-topic. - Brian
Anonymous Coward User ID: 682105 Saudi Arabia 5/18/2009 6:04 PM
This thread is FAIL, Jesus is the Messiah/Christ according to Muslims and is even refered to as the Messiah in the Qur'an. Christians attacking Muslim beliefs = EPIC FAIL.
1 star.
Where? just out of curiosity
Quoting: dschis
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 6:04 PM
What "facts?" How the hell are you going to debate facts when you are talking about faith you dope?
But you know what. You're like a friggin child. You're a moron and your thread sucks. So have fun you tool.
Quoting: Jackinthebox
Who said anything about faith?? This is a discussion about factual things from historical documents and records. This has nothing to do with faith, but rather logic and reasoning and understanding what facts we have to go on.
I swear, a lot of you people think Christians are a bunch of blind faith followers that have nothing to back up what they believe. Dude, get into the 21st century already and learn that there are TONS of facts, but archaeological, scientific and historical that back up Christians now-days. You have a lot of studying to do, man...
You're the only one acting like a child here. I'm offering to debate facts with you, and all you keep doing is whining by making excuses why you don't want to debate and you can't even stay on topic. You'd get discipline for that if you were 8 years old in a class room pulling this crap. lol The teacher would be like, "Alright, kid, stop avoiding the topic. You either join the discussion or go to the principal's office or keep your mouth shut. You obviously didn't study the lesson and have nothing productive to say." LOL
Time to ignore you the rest of the thread. Goodbye. :)
Last Edited by BrianC on 5/18/2009 at 6:05 PM - Brian
BrianC User ID: 629415 United States 5/18/2009 6:07 PM
What "facts?" How the hell are you going to debate facts when you are talking about faith you dope?
But you know what. You're like a friggin child. You're a moron and your thread sucks. So have fun you tool.
Quoting: Jackinthebox
That's awesome. I cracked the loon and he exploded like a child, threw a temper tantrum, and left (just like a child). That's classic. hehehehe - Brian
Gradient Not of this world User ID: 679969 United States 5/18/2009 6:07 PM
(The following is a summary of the 3 1/2 minute video posted above)
It's a 3 1/2 minute video called Muhommed's Conundrum. It shows a couple of suras that state that Muslims should read and believe in the Bible and what is written in it.
Sura 5:47
Let the people of the Gospel (aka - Christians) judge by what Allah (God) hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah (God) hath revealed, they are no better than those who rebel. (This is the Koran advocating the Bible and the God of the Bibl)
Sura 5:68
Oh, people of the Book! (aka - The Bible) You have no ground to stand upon unless you STAND FAST by the LAW, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you FROM YOUR LORD. (Once again, the Koran advocates the Bible and the God of the Bible)
For those that make claims that the Bible has been corrupted by the Jews & Christians, was "Allah" then ingnorant of this Bible corruption when he wrote those suras (600 years later) recommending that Muslims read the Bible and believe what's written in it? If there really were corruption in the Bible, wouldn't Allah say so and recommend Muslims not read it?
Muhommad's religion is the only religion that is anti-other religion. It is anti-Christ, because it directly states that Christ did not die on the cross (Sura 4:157). Yet the Bible says the opposite, and Allah directs Muslims to read the Bible. The Bible says that Jesus was the son of God and died to cover our sins and that heaven and earth are put under His rule.
Now read this sura:
Sura 4:136
Oh you who believe! Believe in Allah (God) and His messenger, and the scripture which He has sent to His messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (Him). Any who deny Allah (God), His angels, HIS BOOKS (books plural, not singular, so this includes the Bible), HIS MESSENGERS, and the Day of Judgement hath gone far, far astray.
The Suras are again advocating the Bible and the God of the Bible. Have you ever read those scriptures (the Bible) that came before Muhommed, Muslims? Allah told you to read it. How can you believe in something you've never read?
One must choose between the 1,600 year record God gave in the Bible that even Muhommed recommended, or the stand-alone, 6th century, 23 year record of recitations, of A SINGLE illiterate, that believed he met a demon in a cave and who was the opposite and taught the opposite of the Bible, to deny that Christ is the son of God.
Muslims don't deny the Bible. They believe in Jesus too. But they think he was a prophet, like Mohammed, not the son of God.
To say that Christ is not the Messiah IS denying the bible Jack.
Quoting: Gradient
AND WHY SHOULDN'T THEY DENY THE BIBLE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE ROMANS, YOU MAY CONSIDER THEM TO HAVE BEEN CHRISTIAN, BUT THEN WHY WAS IT CALLED THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE RATHER THAN THE HOLY EMPIRE OF CHRIST, MAYBE BECAUSE CHRIST WASN'T CALLING THE SHOTS, THE ROMANS WERE
Anonymous Coward User ID: 554016 United States 5/18/2009 6:12 PM
Muslims don't deny the Bible. They believe in Jesus too. But they think he was a prophet, like Mohammed, not the son of God.
To say that Christ is not the Messiah IS denying the bible Jack.
Not really. I believe in Jesus and his teachings, but I don't think he was the son of God.
Quoting: Jackinthebox
Either Jesus is a lying lunatic or he is who he says he is. If Jesus is lying then it is all a lie and therefore all a falsehood and therefore there is no hope.
It is all or nothing... there is no grey area.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 554016 United States 5/18/2009 6:18 PM
Muslims don't deny the Bible. They believe in Jesus too. But they think he was a prophet, like Mohammed, not the son of God.
To say that Christ is not the Messiah IS denying the bible Jack.
Not really. I believe in Jesus and his teachings, but I don't think he was the son of God.
Either Jesus is a lying lunatic or he is who he says he is. If Jesus is lying then it is all a lie and therefore all a falsehood and therefore there is no hope.
It is all or nothing... there is no grey area.
Quoting: BRING THE DOOM 335284
If thats the way you want to judged then thats the way you will be judged. All or nothing right?
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 6:18 PM
That's awesome. I cracked the loon and he exploded like a child, threw a temper tantrum, and left (just like a child). That's classic. hehehehe
Quoting: BrianC
Pot calling the kettle black eh dipshit? I think you're the loon here.
Last Edited by Jackinthebox on 5/18/2009 at 6:26 PM When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
Jackinthebox User ID: 666758 United States 5/18/2009 6:20 PM
Either Jesus is a lying lunatic or he is who he says he is. If Jesus is lying then it is all a lie and therefore all a falsehood and therefore there is no hope.
It is all or nothing... there is no grey area.
Quoting: BRING THE DOOM 335284
Jesus didn't write the Bible. So it's all hearsay and faith. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
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