Please compare the three Elite Insider texts! I would be extremely interested on what you have to say... (It's still OK...)

Maybe it is not OK any more to post these things? No one dared to reply in several days.

My mistake. Sorry...
I'll give up folks...
I guess this psychic war just disallows clear thinking and openness.

I find that strange too my Friend, strange indeed.

There were some weak comparisons on ATS where HH appeared. user named ReconPilot was a staunch critic of HH. They made some references to the orginal Insider and one reference in the whole thrread was interepreted by many as being about Insider 2 in the Spring 08... Then JTB jumped the wagon. There were many disbelievrs but all started to apply the narration style of HH which has its own merits but still... leads to very different contents. In theology the necessary role of evil has been greatly writen about already by Thomas Aquinas, and I am sure Islam produced its share because it is embedded in Sufi poetry.

All right... maybe some people were effectivey sidetrackd by HH, some will only look at ATS - obviously there is a competition feeling. ATS is bigger and more hevily moderated. Yet it is no chance that the Voice track person appeared here. In fact I would like to talk to him. One can argue this is a sidetrack too. I was trying to get all teh files this guy postd and ended up with some Golden Dawn rituals which are pretty innocent an Kabablistic by themselves.

Or maybe some people do not want us to make a comparison for better and worse... I hereby invoke all teh magical protection I2 talked about to this thread whatever happened to it. ALHIM GBVR, ALHIM TzBAOTH... is there a souls catcher in the Moon or in the Bermuda triangle? We get a different programming at death or at a nde if there is... I am fascinated by the reality ReconPilot threads on ATS.
GLP was the home of the brave... is it still?

I find with these texts you get completely taken in and then lost when its gone, but somewhat at back of your mind.

Either really smart people are behind this.. or there is something to it. Not sure which one is it.

I have thought a lot of what it would take to actually compose one of these threads and i know for a fact I couldnt do it. But that doesnt mean it cant be done. I couldnt write a movie plot either. ;)

I haven't read Joan the Blind.
I've read all the others though.
And yeh reconpilot was a breath of angry fresh air, shame he hasn't posted in a while.

It's my opinion that the 1st illuminati on GLP (that you now need to download) and HH on ATS were from two very different branches.

Who knows what the branch the 1st guy was from calls themselves - do you notice though that his replies have a distinctly spiritual flavour?

Whereas I think that HH was from what we commonly refer to as the Illuminati. His description of the organisational structure of the illuminati echoes what Svali described before she disappeared. I suppose this opened him to attacks of plagiarism. People don't look and feel beyond the words that are written. It is quite clear that HH was not a fake.

The way that recon took exception to HH indicates to me that there are 2 sides in this struggle, but that the 2nd side keeps itself very well hidden (also reminds me of the splitting of the oak in Holy Blood Holy Grail, and also the mentioning in there of how there was a split between the European and the American factions. That Pierre Plantard stood up in court and announced it was all a fake means nothing. Happened all the time in Soviet Russia).

Did you ever wonder about why the G20 would come out and attack tax havens when stating their strategy for dealing with the economic crisis? Really, are tax havens that important? Well they are if that's where your earthly enemies funds are located. Makes sense too. With the Illuminati essentially controlling all world governments, by paying tax you are funding their operation. Not likely the second group would be into that.

As an adjunct to that, there was a post here recently about a guy who has investigated the financials of the US governments, federal, state and local. He found that collectively the government holds $60 trillion in assets. The income from these assets is a little higher than the tax revenue. The split was something like $8T federal, $15T state, $40T local. If true, it indicates that the government controlled Illuminati is in fact the biggest of rackets, and the true centre of their power. I can try to find the original post if you are interested.

So yeah, you can debate back and forth endlessly on these guys. It comes down to personal conviction. My conviction is that they were legit.

I'd be careful of the guy who posted the voice stuff. He indicated quite clearly that he was of the Illuminati, but had joined a breakaway group who were now fighting the organisation. Remember that these guys don't lie about their affiliations, but they do twist perceptions. At times it can seem like you want to burst to find freedom. But this is a temptation in itself, and amongst the most dangerous.

It's a beautiful thing to search the spiritual side. But be careful if you're trying to leapfrog. There's a reason why things are done in progression. Opening the 3rd eye before you've got the other areas of your spirit ready can be a deadly thing.

Anybody know if the sound links still work? I'm not a tech guy, and my WMP won't play them. Codec problem?

What codec pack do you have installed?
I've used the k-lite pack for years, always been solid.

[link to codecguide.com]

Perhaps install that or another pack that attempts to cover everything and try again.

Ah, thank you. I also found out it works in VLC Media Player. Completely forgot what this sounded like.

Very.. interesting, to say the least.

Yeh it may work. Certainly has power.
As I've stated elsewhere though, the 3rd eye is a portal by which external emanations enter our minds. Be careful.

I never know how to take that kind of things.

It just always seem too surreal for me to take them as seriously as the "insiders" imply they should be taken.

Just to check back in after listening to the "sound".

Took awhile to find the right volume to get the right set of vibrations, and fine tune it. After that, I listened to it for about 10 minutes straight, and wanted to punch myself in the face. Just sounds like somebody talking into a computer microphone faintly saying, "The leader."

Tried it out again, and got really dizzy, and my heart was beating like I just ran 10 miles. Everything I look at now seems to vibrate.

You know, it's so out of the blue, there is nothing we can reference to to know if they are the real deal.
Yet, most of what they say makes sense from my point of view, but there are other things that just do not fit in what I see as the big picture.
Is it a lack of understanding on my part? Is it bullshit on their part?

What I especially have a difficulty with is the "praise" and "worship" tone some of Insider's messages have... implying that praise and worship toward the right entity are important.... as if an evolved, "all knowing" entity would care about such a thing.

The messages :
The One is worshipped/praised as what you call "god". The word "god" is a corrupt term, it would imply that you as a human would have control over the invocated higher being (like before, I had to be carefull how to phrase it to not fall into the trap myself).
I would say do not use it, but it is your own choice with consequences. The One has many manifestations/emanations/characteristics which are present in a hierarchy of beings with different workings but operating together.
All are incorporeal/immaterial although some may operate bodies in a fashion different to ours, some by lowering their frequency which is actually emanating a form from themselves, may appear in the material world.
All are praised for they are the One who creates the Good and they direct theirs to the One too. You people worship some humans as "gods", be it "prohpets", "celebrity", sportsmen, politicians, autors, etc. which is an abomination.


Q:
If the "Christ" came in another era, why did he fail his mission?
A:
Be careful with what you say, you are harming yourself.
wtf he's asking a fucking question


When addressing Divinity (read again) be careful to articulate well, do not demand, tell, beg,
order, suggest, ask.....which are abhorrences, just state and do your duty.

Christianity is about idolising a human called Jesus of Nazareth first, which is an abomination.

It is a "sin" to worship/idolize/praise humans who were part of this planet in any way, shape or
form, including when talking/writing about them.



I just can't buy into the idea that not worshipping/praising the right thing can hurt in any way.

Natural gratitude comes naturally with the understanding of things and therefore, shouldn't be required. It comes as a result, not the opposite.

How can you expect people to "praise and worship" the right thing in the right way when they are in ignorance?

EVEN I am not enough retarded to expect that.


Nothing will make me believe that the extreme being that is everything, that is the ultimate good, that created everything of us, including our way of thinking, cannot get that.

It's like expecting 3 years old children to answer that 2+2=4 when they have been taught that 2+2=5.

Because if, as the insider implies, they created everything that "can lead us astray", they are the ones who taught us that 2+2=5. To expect us to answer that is equals 4 is beyond cluelessness, misunderstanding, foolishness and retardedness.




My final take..... this is bullshit.
Elaborated, but still bullshit.



The kind of fear that his message must have instilled about the things that we must not do if we don't want to remain here longer stink a lot to me.

And you know? Control by fear?


If he's a ruler, it was probably one more strategy to keep us away from trooth.




You are here to learn and to perfect yourself. Just clear your karma, elevate and ascend. Period.

He didn't have to add all that negative shit like that "worthy" thing as if there was something that judged (and cared!) about it up there.

Last Edited by Whee! 8D on 05/23/2009 02:43 PM

Thank you Exile for your thoughtful post!

This is exactly the kind of assessment I was hoping for.
Naturally, it could be argued back and forth. But I wanted people to state their feelings behind the texts too.

I think it is important that these people DO state their affiliations openly - AND they twist the truth sometimes. The
first Insider sounded very spiritual to me - kind of what I learned in Vedic astrology. He also gave a perspective I missed - in conspiracy theories (which I am contemplating since 2001) you often forget there is another side. If stuff is so bad all over the planet there must be something equally good too - somewhere - otherwise things are not balanced and everything is paranoia. That is why scientology does not check out for me. (They teach souls are kinda hacked between incarnations. Well if that is true, there must be a soul of souls that decides to go though incarnating in a soul which incarnates into us. But if there is a soul of souls, there must be a soul of that too ... and so on ad infinitum. But Reconpilot may be correct in that there is a soulcatcher - if that is so... we need to do precisely the opposite what Tibetans suggest in the Book of the Dead.)

What do you think of the soul catcher?

I will write more on Insider 2 and his techniques - some do work, but I have not had much change with the Dhalim track actually - I tried it a few times - since I already see colors around people and other stuff if I concentrate on that part of the world.

What is interesting is I learned a bit of Hebrew through that. I am in touch with a whole bunch of Jewish people anyway.

When I consulted some deep spiritual parts of myself I could call 'inner advisors' I was told that certain languages do hold some keys to human DNA. Since I studied a lot of Buddhism (epistemology etc.) I asked Buddha directly once why on earth most buddhist mantras were in Sanskrit when he was so much against the sacrifices to gods and the caste system of ancient India? His reply was that "Because the hardware of the human nervous system is constructed along these ancient languages. If I want to free your spirit you must work with those. Only, you should use them differently than those that constructed them."

We can speculate what this inner experience of mine really was but it certainly sounded something to contemplate...

BURNING BEARD:

Insider 2 suggests people use the sound Ye-He-Shu-Ah to calm themselves. It works to some extent, although I worked so much with all different mantras that I may not be authentic to judge. It is not my all-time favorite though. My grandma used to do it. (We are neither illuminati nor rich or powerful, that much I can confirm to anyone on this thread.)

I researched, Yeheshuah is a legit Kabbalistic mantra. Already Jewish Kabbala has it. Christian kabbala states that the Sh sound has been inserted into the Tetragrammaton - the letters Ye-Hah-Wah-Hay. Jung would have a field day with that. God inserted the savior Sh into his/her name...

As for me, in these troubled times Kundalini Yoga breath exercises work well for me for calming down.

But apparently you DO have the effect he was after! As long as you can calm yourselves, and go about your life when you want to, it is certainly useful to see etheric stuff, only, people should get into it gradually and of course there are a million methods.

I also like the fact that these threads all point out the necessity of a natural lifestyle - sleep without electronics (cerainly not with cell phone at your bed), eat no preservative stuff, try some abstaining from media etc. No wonder they have a long life.

Yes! I have read about the Kundalini. Very good method. :)

It was very interesting. I felt an energy, or force, pushing against the Anja, my temples, and the top of my head [or Sahasrara region]. Dizzyness, blurred vision, and ripple like wave lengths streaming across the top of my desk.

I have abandoned most of my electrical goods, besides the computer [obviously] and the cellphone which was required for work. Both are shut off and kept on the other side of the room while meditating or sleeping. And I fully agree with you on the healthy lifestyle. When I was following politics, I was nothing but misery. Sheer depression trying to keep up with the bad news. I feel laughter, enlightenment and love has, and always will be the best medicine.

I think I'm on to something. Thank you for your reply. :)

someone should compile and post and save me some fucking time.

This is another very thoughtful post. In fact I saw few people who criticised the first Insider.

I think that questioner was chastised or warned perhaps because as a PRESUPPOSITION he/she wrote that Christ "failed his mission". I'05 makes a point of pointing out that there is a true Christ and it is not the Jesus we know from Christianity. I can certainly agree to that.
Now if we are talking not of the myth of the god-man (lifted from Egypt) but of an archetype of the human soul (like Quetzalcoatl or Osiris etc.), or even a living angelic "higher" being - then it IS an abomination to say "Christ failed his or her mission..." as that person did. See?

Otherwise as a therapist having seen vry deep experiences of total unity in NLP patients, I agree with you totally that you do not need any images or deities to go to the Source or the Oneness. If it helps some, they must live the consequences of their faith. It does help me to consult 'higher beings' but I try to think about them in a non-dogmatic way. They may be archetypes. They may be actual nonphysical beings, Angels who speak Hebrew, Egyptian, Sanskrit, or Quechua but sometimes English - ou bien Francais ou Hongrois...

They may be deeper or future parts of ourselves. They may be the same as those that come through experiences with 'animal helpers' in Native American shamanism.

I agree very much we are here just to ascend and clean our karmas...

Yeh that was one of the things reconpilot said that made me sit up and say Wow!

For me reincarnation is a fact. That we are spirits is a fact. Poses the interesting question then though - why don't we remember? Or why do we only partially remember?

There has to be a mechanism for wiping the slate clean. Our classroom is largely mechanistic as it is, should be no surprise that this function has also been made mechanistic.

I don't doubt reconpilot when he says the soulcatcher can be used for evil. Whether it lies beneath the Gaza strip and whether this is one of the main reasons for the conflict in that region remains to be seen.

What occupied my mind right away is that - if I understood Reconpilot correctly - several saints etc. "tap into" the power of the soulcatcher.
Right before reading the thread I read the life of the Catholic Saint Padre Pio. Well this man could see the story of all the people who went there to confess. I have no doubt that at least some of the stories are true. Also, he worked some miracles - e.g. he was projecting a wonderful smell even to people who turned to him hundreds of miles away. He had stigmata that were bleeding, examined by doctors, but his wounds smelled like incense. He appeared to have intervened in medical stories (saving babies about to be aborted for deformity etc.) and sometimes asked people to delay operations for the sake of prayers. Yet he was plagued by 'demonic spirits' every single night.

There was always a big commotion in his room, object were scattered and broken, and sometimes he was black and blue in the morning.

Could it be that he had a nightly rendezvous with the soulcatcher power? And that it onyl gives you such powers if you kind of sell your allegiance to it?

Then there are the miracle men of India. Conspiracy theroists have long named Sai Baba as somebody who could be weird. Some say he is reptilian. He is recorded to have materialised stuff...

Maybe this is why some cleaner sources warn people against wanting 'powers'?

Yet when the first Insider says that we can (and some of us should) turn to higher beings for help, it resonates in me...

Or do we contact the SC even then? In that case all but the primal unity should be banned from worship - as in orthodox islam and judaism - except even forms such as 'pbuh' are to be avoided.

I believed Barbara Marciniak of Pleiades fame when she said the Iraq wars were about to conquer a dimensional gateway that was located in the Middle East (Bringers of Dawn).

I guess the real test is to have only those powers that are needed for your personal evolution in connection to the One Source and to avoid temptations of the SC. Other people such as G.I. Gurdjieff said the SC is the Moon.

Exile, it would be great if you supplied that financial research thread address on the US government illuminati funds...

Yes, one of the longer running GLP hoaxes.


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OK I'll try and dig it up for you (can't find it atm - probably on the computer that is due to get fixed :().

I can only remember him talking about Enki? tapping into its power for his evil purposes.

Yes you've raised a very interesting proposition.
The soulcatcher's primary role is to wipe our memories away.
An echo from a different tradition is Castaneda, where it is referred to as the Eagle which devours our essence when we die. The trick in that tradition is to find Total Awareness, which means lighting all the fibres in your etheric being. This gives you the freedom to evade the Eagle.

So the soulcatcher deals in memories.
What I got from your post is - is the soulcatcher perhaps related to the Akashic records? "He could see the story of all the people that came to confess there". Hadn't thought of that possible connection before.

Yet he was plagued by demons every night. Castaneda refers to them as flyers which feed on our energy. They only leave you alone once you have silenced the internal dialogue.

About selling allegiance you've made me remember that reconpilot referred to the SC as having self-awareness, and that it will tempt you to join it with dead relatives etc (the tunnel of light).

I don't think it's an evil construct though. I think like most things in this world it is neither good nor evil, but can be used for either.

Sai Baba - the guy is scary. One of the first books I read that was "left field" was an expose on him by a western follower. Basically he called Sai Baba a fraud and a sexual pervert. A clairvoyant described seeing a powerful spirit hovering over Sai Baba, controlling him. The guy has always affronted me and I avoid even thinking about him.

Yes we can only be saved by the Grace of God, because while we are still bound by this illusion, that is all we can see, and we need the touch of higher powers to allow us to see. For me, I tap into that power by emptying my mind. The lower powers depend on you to initiate. Remember how the first insider said "As soon as you have a wrong thought, you will have 3-4 of them around you [ready to feed]".

Have faith you are following a path with heart and you'll be fine. The evil forces are not as powerful as they sometimes seem.

Yeh I liked that retort by the first insider regarding pbuh. He's quite right.

I agree there's more than meets the eye. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan would have had motives behind the motives behind the motives they professed to :)

TPTB are not ignorant of the spiritual aspect of this all - have a listen to Rik Clay if you haven't already.

I've been meaning to look at Gurdjieff, haven't as yet though. The moon is definitely a component of it. AC Clarke's 2001 was an amazing piece of insight. The 3 stones - one on earth (the SC?), another on the moon, another orbiting Jupiter. Although, having read another insiders posts here I think the 3rd one is at the beginning of the Oort cloud. Three doors positioned to keep all who stumble into the earth zone bound here.

For some very deep information on who these insiders really are and the nature of this galaxy game. I suggest you go to www.trufax.org/matrix5

Most of us have a very hard time making a connection with our soul. We have an intuitional knowing that something is not right about the way the world is being presented to us, but the hard evidence for the big ah ha, seems to elude most of us.

In Matrix 5, you will discover why this is and the nature of the control system in place on this world to try and prevent the big ah ha from happening. They have many safeguards in place, but in spite of their safeguards awakenings are occuring with much frequency. Matrix 5, will give you the really big push to completely awaken.

Then you will understand who these elite really are, what they are up to, then relegate them to the status they deserve. SPIRITUALLY INFERIOR KIDDIES.

William

William,
why don't you state who these Insiders can be according to your brief in your own words?
Your post promises much. So does the trufax site. I have gone to check it out - I am not familiar with the Matrix written materials but I will get the first 4 now and have a deeper look. I certaainly will not pay for philosophy unless I am beginning to love it as much as I did Castaneda in the 80's. (Moree about him in a different post).

At this moment I feel I should quote another person from the David dIcke forum:

"I am not saying that "The Author" does not have anything to offer, because certainly some of the material resonates with me, but I would be weary of anyone pushing that for a "mere fee of a few hundred dollars, you can own a three part series that explains existence in multiple dimensions!"

posted by Foxcroft on [link to www.davidicke.com]

William, I am more interested in personal experiences, views and thoughts, and feelings about texts. Not theories. I have studied philosophy, Eastern and Western for years, and did years of NLP on the nature of language. Wrote my thesis on the epistemology of Buddhism relating to modern linguistics...
So theories abound... under every leaf. Only, people usually let the cat out of teh bag before you want to owna hard copy.

For example, Hidden Hand referred all people that read him/her to "the Ra materials." While they are not bad, I found them basically unreadable - their terminology is full of abstract nouns that do not mean much to me any more. the interpretation of this language is personal. But that kind of stuff can keep a soul busy for years.

I have a friend that came close to discussing things like the soulcatcher and reincarnation in his own intelligent words, then got suddenly sidetracked in the Ra materials and since then I can barely talk to her without using made-up terms like "density."

The truth is I can get in contact with intelligences that will spin philosophy. I do not put much stock in them though...

Also, on one of the first pages I read on the page as an excerpt, I saw the words "window of opportunity." Does that ring the bell here on this thread - anyone?

Well I sincerely doubt you can buy the truth printed for a few hundred dollars... Sounds like scientology to me. Anyway, only about 1/10th of this planet could afford it. And I am living in a country with 3rd world conditions now...

Mercury

My experiences come from my observations. The books do not give you a step by step approach. The author clearly states these are his observations based on his personal experiences. The material resonates with you or it doesn't.
The material is presented to you in such a way and in plain simple to understand language that will perk your intuition up. What you do with that perked up intuition is up to you.

There are keys in the book that will help (help not direct) you to awaken to your true nature. He is pointing out some of the major control systems in place to retard your awakening. Once you are aware of these control systems, then you can begin to dismantle them. You need knowledge of what is operating on you. The books give you a laser sighted rifle instead of the blind shotgun approach most people take.

Awakening is also a process that takes time. To think you can simply read a book or go to a seminar and like throwing a light switch you are suddenly awakened. Most people also search endlessly in vain for the correct guru or philosophy
to follow. This is one of the control devices in place and they have many people to lead you astray. I know, the next question is how do I know the author is also not one of these people.

All I can say to that is you are going to have to have direct observational experience for your own confirmation.
In other words you are going to have to shut down all the exterior noise and go deeply within. You are going to have to view with your own inner eyes. This is a tough road because there will be plenty of opposition as you cannot confirm to anyone what is only visible to you.

You mentioned in your reply and quoting from the David dIcke site. For a mere fee of a couple hundred dollars, you can have density and interdimensional knowledge. The books do talk about density and dimension, but not in such a way as to get you hung up on this. At this stage in your development, concentrating too heavily on the workings of this will sidetrack you from what is most important. Observing and seeing for yourself what is within. Make this contact and everything falls in to place. As far as the price of the books, I guess you could say they are pricey and out of reach for some people, but I can assure you, coming from a business background. This is no money making venture. The nature of the material within makes for a very small distribution base. The price accounts for the small distribution base and is needed to be high to cover printing, overhead costs and generate a small profit.

You also indicated you are going to read matrix 1 through 4.
These are easily available as downloads on the internet. However those books are not on the same level as matrix 5 and are not written by the same author. Val Valerian is the author of matrix 1-4 and is also the owner of the Leading Edge site. Val is a very intelligent man and matrix 1-4 has good information about planetary control devices, mostly from a technical point of view. But it in no way compares to Matrix 5.

In matrix 5 you will find out, the prime culprit that is resisting your awakening is your body. It has a DNA command structure through genetic modifications done many thousands of years ago. Currently being re-inforced by chemical additives and media initiatives that are designed to keep you asleep as to who you really are. Think of it this way, observe children. They in general have a good sense of who they are and view their surroundings with clear eyes. As they age, they change, their views become narrow until memories of their childhood completely fades.
Why is this? Is it natural? Is it just the way it is? The answer to this is NO. This is genetic programming that has been working against you, I and the world. Along comes Matrix 5 and gives you the laser sighted rifle to knock down what has been working against you.

Understand the true you is an immortal being who is animating a temporary vehicle (body) for experiences in this galaxy school called the milky way. Now knock down the body I.D. programming, shut down the noise from all the blind people and go within to observe who you really are.

William

You have certainly aroused my interest with this last post.

There are certain special sentences that speak of true reflection, change and and experiences.

Thanks for devoting so much time.
I will try to get this Matrix 5 and will have a look of the 1-4 in the meantime in the light of what you wrote...

If true, this information is connected to the central purpose that occupies me since decades.

You must understand why I have become impatient with "the merely abstract" - and suspicious of verbal input (except for forums and some books). I will try to find an NLP page that sums up something about the basis of my approach to language. (Unfortunately our Buddhist thesis in not yet in English so I can't send an address of that.) We are flooded with too much channeling and stuff - but I am interested in individual's experiences of even whatever I consider abstract things. After all, in these forums we exchange precisely this sort of info all the time...

Will be checking back regularly, but I have a lot of urgent work presently...

I will let you know if I can get hold of Matrix 5. Presently
I have been struggling with money problems as I have been working in my native Hungary...

Mercurial greetings

I would like to look up hidden hand on ATS. What is the web address for ATS?

www.fuck_off.com You can read anything but you have to register if you want to contribute.

Sorry... the same thing happened as in my OP.

I will write ATS with spaces then:
w w w. fuck_off . c o m there is a search bar - I wonder who committed this trick of giving weirdo addresses for a well known site

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