UFO's escort the European Space Agency's (ESA) Herschel and Planck twin telescopes, ...

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finally made it!
I have *ARRIVED*!

I am part of the "Lunatic Fringe"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME INDEED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


( I think that is so much better than being Christian fundie "Baptised" and "Saved"


.............. made me day, it did!




Thanks 462535

Don't worry! I have anal plugs in case of alien abduction via alien anal rape.

Bill, you are right.

I first announced on the list the confirmation of a 5th object
and a 6th. Then Reiner told about 2 objects he named 5 and 6.

I was fooled by his image, probably because of the parallax
that provides a different perspective as we observe from the
Southern hemisphere.

These 5 and 6 from Reiner are quite bright and have a quite
high motion away from the booster. We were searching specifically
objects with almost the same motion than the other main objects,
then first we missed the objects from Reiner although they were
a lot brighter and obvious and elongated due to their relative
motion. I realized with his second image, where he showed the
increasing distance from the booster, that was absolutely
incompatible with our objects.

In fact Reiner's objects are 7 and 8 in order of discovery or
announce.

I will send you the measures for our 6th object.

But since then, we have found a lot more.

There is something very interesting about these 'new'
and faint objects (at least some of).

In a referential frame attached to Herschel, they follow, in a
few hours a path like the lowercase Greek letter gamma, about
a dozen arcsec height, some "fatter" than other.

It is very well explained by a mix of minute differences in the
orbits (curvature of the apparent path in a fixed frame and motion)
and our high parallax due to our low latitude.

That is, in my opinion, the best proof they are real and not
some artifact, and more they are visible for more than 3 hours.

Note that WMAP, around L2 had also sometimes small loops in its
apparent path.



> Note that it's a short arc, so I doubt the orbit is very good.
> We'll have to hope for a recovery.

There are so many objects, it will become a link issue, but we
have measures for each night then I am quite confident.


> Also, you'll notice that the early observations for Planck,
> "Herschel", "Sylda", and "Booster" are excluded. It looks
> as if all four objects did small maneuvers early on. That
> seems odd to me, but I'm no expert on spacecraft.

I agree, the measures have probably a serious issue with the
timing or the astrometry or both.


> Jean-Claude is also correct in pointing out that the tumbling
> behavior of the object we've been calling "Sylda" makes it likely
> that it is, in fact, Sylda. And the brightness of the "Booster"
> makes it pretty clear that it really is the booster... which lets
> us ID Herschel by elimination.

Yes, Sylda may change by more than 2 magnitudes in 30 seconds.
Our fastest 16" take 90 seconds to rotate by 180 degrees. If a
structure like Herschel tumbled in 30 seconds it will break.

That 2 mag amplitude does not appears in the reported astrometry,
because it becomes almost invisible, and although there is a yet
a quite good estimate of the magnitude the uncertainty of the
astrometry is too large and we have not reported these faint
data points.

We have several hundreds of images then I will build some light
curves. Herschel and Planck have also some changes in magnitude
but they are far slower.

There is more about Herschel. It has a constant offset with the
preliminary orbit, and that offset changes by less than one pixel
in 3 hours. On the contrary Sylda has a significant drift, and
Planck an even larger drift. That is coherent with the way they
were in the rocket.

A few days ago, we saw a very faint dot that that seemed to leave
Sylda in direction of the booster. We estimated the relative
projected motion to about 3 m/second. one of the new objects we
found yesterday between Sylda and the booster is in that direction.
But difficult to claim the dot leaving Sylda was real or not.



Jean-Claude PELLE
Southern Stars Observatories
[link to tech.groups.yahoo.com]

LOL I couldn't have put it better myself

WOW! You're so miserable! You think just because you" don't like the opposite end of debunking" you can go around like a fucking freakish bozo and insult people who's differing opinion you don't like! You need help buddy, you fucking loon

People like you are slowing disclosure down! What a fucking moron you are! now go and fuck yourself you piece of scum!

wow, you really and honestly believe differing opinions you don't like warrant insults! that's some crazy bat shit right there. you're totally crazy !

you need help! quick! you just fucked up your credibility!

They are here for the May 25th announcement.

"our ships are in your system"

lol, 567516 is a good example of that. as soon as you disagree with them they start to insult. like that would help them gain anything. they are unable to grasp the fact, that as soon as they start the insults, they loose all credibility. in their eyes it's totally ok to insult people who dare to disagree with them. they think it's their right and duty to handle differing opinions this way. totally out of their mind.

whoaaaa buddy! what a fucking miserable hypocritical moron with double standards you are! just look at your last two posts! you call other arrogant pricks, yet you think it's totally ok to start insulting someone for his differing opinion! you must be one stupid fuck! guess when you came out of your mom's womb she dropped you, out of disgusting feelings for you, on the floor with your head. you're a total freak. i hope you die soon; cuz your kind is the problem why real ufo witness get ridiculed. freaks like you!

I am just a guy (not a debunker and not a believer) who wants to ask a sensible question.
85% of all comets are discovered by amature astronomers who roam the skies 24/7. This is a fact and can not be denied.
Why isn't internet 100% full with these guys from every corner of the world showing these pics and reporting same info as this thread?
Naturally we would expect 1000's of sites reporting this within an hour of them being noticed. Notice that i did not even mention government bodies just incase someone mentions control.
Can someone with a sensible mind who believes in this thread give me a resonable answer please?

i guess they report their finding directly to official departments. like nasa or esa for example. i don't think they care to much about reporting it on some internet site.

I don't think so. Remember we are talking about amatures who come from all walks of life.
Do you remember Hale-Bop comet? where did the name come from? it was two amature guy's names. They saw it and reported it to the world. Within hours all amature astronomers had seen it and were also reporting them independently.
Amatures from Iran, China, Japan, Syria and many other countries that are not connected with any world body.
Specially now days with access to internet, there will be a 100% certainty that it will be reported on the net within minutes and media from all over the world would pick it up.
Say the media in Western world is run by TPTB and i agree with that. But what about media in Iran, Syria, Arab world, North Korea etc.
Do you see where i am going with this?

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it will be just bullshitted away like everything else

never will have disclosure

so it is just a thread

Well, perhaps OP or the Mods who have pinned this could tell us in a sensible way why it has not been reported all over the world by 1000's of amature astronomers?

As I already explained, I am not a debunker, not at all. I was just annoyed by the childish way in which he pressed at the mere formality that when people use the word UFO they don't refer to an object that flies and is unidentified anymore, but they refer to an (alien) spacecraft. So I told him to go fuck himself, what's the big deal? This is the internet for god's sake! It's not that I was hoping he would feel insulted by that or something, it's just a general "oh fuck of man"... Jeez... I was expecting people had grown some skin right now, I'm quite amazed actually

They don't work.

It has been confirmed that the first autonomous activities by Herschel have been advanced by 3 days to Day 9 of the mission.

[link to twitter.com]

Plugs? Why would you need more than one?

Space debris.

Maybe this is what all the Hubble fuss is about?

that does in no way warrant a insult. now fuck off you stupid clown. i hope you die soon.

the big deal is that you run amok with your insults. your "justification" for the insult sux donkey ballz! if he'd insult you; that would be different. you insulted him cuz you didn't like what he said. that's no justification you twisted piece of miserable dumb shit.

now go and play on the freeway at high traffic and die soon a horrible death; you piece of oxygen waste!

fuck yourself you piece of apeshit. your reasoning is so twisted, words fail me you shithead. stupid son of a dumb bitch.

Sorry, too late, you exposed yourself as an angry, angry, man who's also borderline schizo.