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Cykotine storm..how to avoid it.
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mr...bojangles
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5/18/2009 5:38 PM
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[link to www.acidophilus-immune-health.com]
Probiotics Calm a Cytokine Storm.
A cytokine storm can kill you. It occurs when a very severe viral infection (such as Swine Flu H1N1 or Bird Flu H5N1) takes control of your immune system, over activating it to where normal feedback loops designed to calm things down fail to operate. Your immune system becomes a runaway freight train where high fever, massive inflammation, extreme fatigue, vomiting and diarrhea dominate every minute of your existence. Most of the 25 million people that died in the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic died from a cytokine storm. You don’t want to be caught in a cytokine storm.
2. Take specific dietary supplements that reduce cytokine production. The following supplements have the ability to quench the production of cytokines such as TNF-alpha, and Interluken-6 (usually produced in a cytokine storm): Garlic (take 2-3 crushed cloves per day). Vitamin C (1,000 mg hourly during “storms”). Green Tea (Very effective antiviral), Resveratrol, Cats Claw (Uncaria tomentosa), Curcumin (Tumeric spice – must take with food), and Vitamin E (High gamma type). There are others but these are the big ones. Use Google for more information on them. I recommend that at least three of these be taken in cases of severe infection along with a high potency probiotic like Theralac® (Note: Theralac now has a companion probiotic called TruFlora™ that can be rotated with Theralac for enhanced intestinal biodiversity – see www.truflora.com ).
3. Do not take supplements or foods that enhance cytokine production. Examples of these include: Elderberry juice (Sambucol), Spirulina and Chlorella algae, Honey, Chocolate, Echinacea, Kimchi. Most of these increase TNF-alpha and/or IL-6 cytokine production -- providing short term benefit for lesser infections such as typical colds and flu but not desirable at all for severe viral infections such as swine or bird flu.
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 5:40 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Have Tamiflu and Relenza been proven to be ineffective on avian flu (bird flu) in Asia? The answer is yes. |
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DrPostman  
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5/18/2009 5:40 PM
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Where can I get the highest dose of Resveratrol you can buy?
I've been wanting to take it but I want the strongest dose
you can get in pill form.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 616155
5/18/2009 5:41 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
How do you know if you got CYTOKENE storm?
And how much time do you have before it's too late to take things for it? |
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Nothing Is True
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5/18/2009 5:42 PM
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Spell it write!
Everything is permitted.. |
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Anonymous Coward
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5/18/2009 5:44 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
heh...
op said psycho teen...
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 5:45 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
as a general rule you want to carry with you a vial with at least 50 grams of vitamin c at all times...
the minute you start to feel some type of symptoms...
start taking 10 grams every hour with a glass of water,
if you get runny stools...it`s o.k. it means it is cleaning out the storm...
I buy pure ascorbic acid crystal powder available at fine health food stores. |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 5:48 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
for example i take 10 grams of vitamin c upon waking up in the morning...
that`s my normal dose...
if i`m feeling tired i take some more during the day..
if i feel some type of symptom coming on...
fever..unrelenting cough...fatigue ...headache..etc.
start protocol. |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 5:51 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Where can I get the highest dose of Resveratrol you can buy?
I've been wanting to take it but I want the strongest dose
you can get in pill form. Quoting: DrPostman
[link to www.biotivia.com] |
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DrPostman
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User ID: 51197
5/18/2009 5:54 PM
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Where can I get the highest dose of Resveratrol you can buy?
I've been wanting to take it but I want the strongest dose
you can get in pill form.
[ link to www.biotivia.com]
Thanks!
"Even the “pussy cat” icon you proudly display has obvious sexual overtones,
in the since it is mocking the valued emotional need you have been deprived
of, since childhood."
-- Volar, one of Zetatalk's most rabid supporters, makes one of the strangest
statments I have ever read on GLP.
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ºEATº
User ID: 487814
5/18/2009 5:56 PM
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Cod liver oil too
and L-theanine
This thread should be remembered and pinned soon when TSHTF with this flu virus.
100 pushups every day |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 682101
5/18/2009 5:59 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Selenium does not allow the flu to reproduce so the flu doesn't have time to mutate and turn deadly. Take up to 600mg a day.
Magnesium also quites a storm. Most people are low on magnesium.
Vitamin D3 acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines.
Harvard researcher Gerhard Scheuch stated that nasal inhalation of a simple zinc saline spray can stop the flu virus and tuberculosis dead in their tracks. For reasons perhaps best known to Merck and others, this potentially life-saving information did not receive wide distribution in the popular press.
Xylitol nose spray also works. |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 6:00 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Other family members swear by reservatrol, which is present in full cluster unfiltered concord grape juice (or wine) where grapes are prone to getting a fungus and reservatrol is created on the grape skin in reaction to the fungus. Reservatrol is also found in almonds, peanuts, full cluster unfiltered, hot extracted mulberries, blackberries. I posted on that on another preps thread.
[link to www.flutrackers.com] |
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ºEATº
User ID: 487814
5/18/2009 6:03 PM
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10 grams = 10,000 mgs right?
1000 mgs = a gram?
100 pushups every day |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Vitamin C is a reducing substance, an electron donor. When vitamin C donates its two high-energy electrons to scavenge free radicals, much of the resulting dehydroascorbate is rereduced to vitamin C and therefore used repeatedly. Conventional wisdom is correct in that only small amounts of vitamin C are necessary for this function because of its repeated use. The point missed is that the limiting part in nonenzymatic free radical scavenging is the rate at which extra high-energy electrons are provided through NADH to rereduce the vitamin C and other free radical scavengers. When ill, free radicals are formed at a rate faster than the high- energy electrons are made available. Doses of vitamin C as large as 1 to 10 grams per 24 hours do only limited good. However, when ascorbate is used in massive amounts, such as 30 to 200+ grams per 24 hours,
these amounts directly provide the electrons necessary to quench the free radicals of almost any INFLAMMATION .
Additionally, in high concentrations ascorbate reduces NAD(P)H and therefore can provide the high-energy electrons necessary to reduce the molecular oxygen used in the respiratory burst of phagocytes. In these functions, the ascorbate part is mostly wasted but the necessary high-energy electrons are provided in large amounts. |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 6:10 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
10 grams = 10,000 mgs right?
1000 mgs = a gram? Quoting: ºEATº
that is correct. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 599684
5/18/2009 6:13 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
this reference is only partially correct "Elderberry juice (Sambucol), "....elderberry has sambucol as an added ingredient in many cases...Sambucol on it's own is very beneficial in combatting an over-reaction of the immune system...sambucol contains the main ingredient in Tamiflu ( star anise extract-shikimic acid)
The elderberry will "assist" your immune system and you want to avoid doing that once you are infected.
If you are having a cytokene storm- you will want to suppress your immune system...
do your own research first before you blindly listen to me though |
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Anonymous Coward
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5/18/2009 6:13 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 436143
5/18/2009 6:18 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
How about anise seed?? |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 6:22 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Selenium does not allow the flu to reproduce so the flu doesn't have time to mutate and turn deadly. Take up to 600mg a day.
Magnesium also quites a storm. Most people are low on magnesium.
Vitamin D3 acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines.
Harvard researcher Gerhard Scheuch stated that nasal inhalation of a simple zinc saline spray can stop the flu virus and tuberculosis dead in their tracks. For reasons perhaps best known to Merck and others, this potentially life-saving information did not receive wide distribution in the popular press.
Xylitol nose spray also works. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682101
I haven`t tried xylitol but i`ve tried all the rest...
My newest puppie is a magnesium chloride spray...
the beauty of this pup is that it goes directly into your system...
which means it doesn`t have to be digested...
most of the vitamins and minerals we ingest by mouth have low absorption rates...
the spray goes directly through your pores bypassing the digestive system...
you get exactly the amount your body needs at its optimum level...instantly (transdermal process)...
thing thing about mag an c is that the absorption level skyrockets when your are ill because the body is using it faster...
that is the reason for the high dose protocol...
buy magnesium cloride and mix one cup of mag with one cup of water...
put in a bottle with a sprayer...you can add some eucalyptus oil for fragrance...
and spray your underarms, hips all around...and under the ears...lymphatic system...
it stings a little...but it goes away ten minutes later...
your skin will rejuvinate also...mag hydrates...
avoid spraying your eyes! |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 6:27 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
How about anise seed?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436143
I haven`t tried anise seed...
My main clinical studies have been with ascorbic acid...
30 years...and counting....
viamin c is the glue that keeps your body tight..
and together...
if someone gets sick and goes to the hospital...
they will be given an assortment of drugs that will deplete the c you have in your body ( that is if you have any at all)...
it is the main reason people are dying...
antibiotics are o.k. for secondary infections...
there are no cures for viruses...it`s a myth to sell drugs and vaccines....
be prepared...
Last Edited by mr...bojangles on 5/18/2009 at 7:40 PM |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 680119
5/18/2009 7:54 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Where can I get the highest dose of Resveratrol you can buy?
I've been wanting to take it but I want the strongest dose
you can get in pill form.
[ link to www.biotivia.com]
mr...bojangles, I checked this link and looked for a supplement fact sheet but could not find one. I think this disclosure is important......Ray |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 599684
5/18/2009 8:19 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
bump your immune BEFORE you get the pandemic flu- and knock it down AFTER you do ( different strategy required)...certain types of medication can and will kill you depending on whether you are preventing getting it or trying to get through having it..apparently boosting your immune system with the best medicine will actually increase the cytokene storm that will help you drown to death while your body over-reacts to the infection |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 10:38 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
bump your immune BEFORE you get the pandemic flu- and knock it down AFTER you do ( different strategy required)...certain types of medication can and will kill you depending on whether you are preventing getting it or trying to get through having it..apparently boosting your immune system with the best medicine will actually increase the cytokene storm that will help you drown to death while your body over-reacts to the infection Quoting: Anonymous Coward 599684
In many diseases (including H5N1 in humans), a "cytokine storm" is triggered by the infection. Cytokines are hormones that regulate the immune sytem. When released at the right time in the proper amounts, cytokines can help fight infections and regulate processes through out the body. But many cytokines are inflammatory and are damaging to the body if present in too high levels, or for too long.-quote.
Vitamin c prevents inflammation.
[link to www.med-owl.com]
Last Edited by mr...bojangles on 5/18/2009 at 10:49 PM |
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mr...bojangles
User ID: 681201
5/18/2009 10:48 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
The cytokines also increase production of reactive oxygen compounds (free radicals) that further the inflammation.-quote.
vitamin c is a free radical scavenger....BINGO! |
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InfoFront
User ID: 530466
5/18/2009 11:02 PM
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I recall reading in a thread several days ago that nicotine calms cytokine storms. It was one of the reasons smokers didn't die from SARS. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 668002
5/18/2009 11:10 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Where can I get the highest dose of Resveratrol you can buy?
I've been wanting to take it but I want the strongest dose
you can get in pill form. Quoting: DrPostman
I dont even know how 100 mg compares to other companies offerings
but this is what I use
[link to www.rezilience.net] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 668002
5/18/2009 11:11 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
I recall reading in a thread several days ago that nicotine calms cytokine storms. It was one of the reasons smokers didn't die from SARS. Quoting: InfoFront
I was told smoke pipe tobacco (which I do anyway)
and scrape the tongue clean 3 times a day with a silver spoon |
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Windsage4 nli
User ID: 625711
5/18/2009 11:16 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
I recall reading in a thread several days ago that nicotine calms cytokine storms. It was one of the reasons smokers didn't die from SARS. Quoting: InfoFront
Thank you for that information, I kept seeing things about tobacco but nobody ever said why. |
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mercury2
User ID: 108253
5/18/2009 11:34 PM
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Great thread. The alternative health information threads are my favorites.
I wish we had a category for "natural health" in the GLP topics. I have a lot of good ones saved in my favorites, wish there was a way to share them besides just bumping them when appropriate.
I was at Trader Joe's a while back and saw that they had a one pound jar of ascorbic acid powder for sale, it didn't have a price tag but their prices tend to be reasonable. They also have a decent price on Celtic Sea Salt.
For the resveratrol, (I think that's how you spell it?) you might search at vitacost
[link to www.vitacost.com] that's where I get my vitamins and supplements.
"If I had not some strength of will I would make a first class drunkard."
- Ernest Shackleton |
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Messenger
User ID: 137750
5/18/2009 11:45 PM | | Re: Cykotine storm..how to avoid it. | Quote |
Excuse me . . . Eldeberry does not enhance the immune system.
That is NOT why one takes Sambucus during a flu.
Elderberry HELPS to stop the virus from replicating.
When a flu virus dumps into a healthy cell the virus then multipies until the cell bursts open dumping MORE virus into the body.
Elderberry helps to slow down this replication process.
If you have PROOF saying otherwise,please post it here.
Thanks. |
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